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Graphic accompanying report Israeli soldier had been kidnapped by Hamas (Photo: Occupied Palestine)

Graphic accompanying report Israeli soldier had been captured by Hamas (Photo: Occupied Palestine)

The streets in Ramallah and Gaza erupted in ecstasy tonight after Hamas announced that it had captured an Israeli soldier in the neighborhood of Hayye al Tuffah (Apple) in Gaza. After the neighborhood had been attacked by Israeli airstrikes for three nights, Israeli ground troops entered the neighborhood and according to the Kataeb al-Qassam brigades, Hamas’ military wing, they captured an Israeli soldier.

It is not clear that the soldier is alive. From NBC:

The confusion includes the soldier’s name. Occupied Palestine posted the photo above and identified the soldier as Shaul Aaron. Kataeb al-Qassam brigades video (paraphrased, translated from Arabic audio) announcement:

The enemy has been hiding its casualties since operations started and we have finally forced them to admit to their losses. But one thing they have not admitted to yet, is the loss of one of their soldiers. They are trying to hide the disappeared and his name is Shaul Aaron.

And then he announced the soldier’s military identification numbers: 6092065. Al Jazeera English tweeted: 

But according to Israeli human rights worker Elizabeth Tsurkov, a Shaul Oron was said to have been killed last night, and friends were mourning him on his Facebook page. “Shaul Oron’s body is currently located at Tel HaShomer hospital. Soon to be transferred to Abu Kabir morgue, then to burial,” Tsurkov said.

Oron Shaul at his Facebook page

Shaul Oron was mourned at his Facebook page

Mondoweiss contacted the Israeli military and asked them if they could clarify if a soldier had been captured. They said: “we’re looking into it.”

In Ramallah by 10 pm the city’s center was full with 7,000 protesters. While hours earlier the streets were desolate and shops shuttered out of sympathy for the losses in Gaza, after the evening dinner break for the Ramadan fast, Ramallah was growling.

A group of 1,000 then marched to nearby Beit El settlement, reaching the Israeli West Bank residential community and army base by 10:30 pm. As with most Ramallah demonstrations the protesters were met with two authorities: Palestinian and Israeli. The Palestinian security forces then pushed back the demonstrators from the settlement by firing tear gas and sound grenades. The demonstrators hurled Molotov cocktails and stones at the Palestinian preventative security.

“There’s still clashes now. I can hear it from my office. Tear gas and sound grenades,” said Samer Nazzal a journalist with the Palestinian outlet Raya FM. Nazzal spoke to Deger on the phone from his editing desk cutting footage from the demonstration for tonight’s program. “It is like a real Intifada,” he continued. In the background police car sirens rang and cars honked.

By 11 pm Arabic news stations were reporting al-Qassam Brigdaes had captured the Israeli soldier. With Ramallah already a scene of dissidence, others left their homes and took to the streets setting off fire works, gun shots and cheering praise for Hamas’s armed wing. “Qassam, Qassam!” they sang, followed by the blare of police sirens.

CNN broadcast a report on the Palestinian celebrations and described them as “macabre.” An analyst on Lebanese Mayadeen television reported that a hostage was captured last night but it was not announced until tonight for reasons of “psychological warfare”.

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  1. DaBakr
    DaBakr
    July 20, 2014, 7:24 pm

    So? Is this surprising news? Cue up the apologists. “Is this a game changer?” Right. Like Israelis would actually allow a repeat of the Shalit fiasco (which is one of many factors that led up to this current operation in the first place)

    p.s. hope you folks realize the photo above is from a crude Palestinian propaganda film showing ‘training’ techniques and how glorios Palestinian fighters round up , capture and scare poorly dressed (in some non-decript generic and baggy uniform) actor portraying IDK with a pretty shiny Jeep Wrangler in the background as a prop car.

    • Penfold
      Penfold
      July 20, 2014, 8:04 pm

      Wait who’s apologists are we waiting for because the only excuses I see so far would be you droning on about “Palestinian propaganda films”, here is my suggestion rather than “celebrate” or “deny” it how about we wait and see what the full story is.

    • a blah chick
      a blah chick
      July 20, 2014, 8:50 pm

      “hope you folks realize the photo above is from a crude Palestinian propaganda film showing ‘training’ techniques and how glorios Palestinian fighters round up , capture and scare poorly dressed (in some non-decript generic and baggy uniform) actor portraying IDK with a pretty shiny Jeep Wrangler in the background as a prop car.”

      How dare you cast aspersions on the production qualities of our guys training films! Some of us went without our Gaza grown organic kale in order to provide funds for those spiffy Jeep Wranglers! And the uniform only looks baggy because Nabil was in training for the Ramallah marathon.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 20, 2014, 9:51 pm

        well. at least they could have tailored the uniform to the fascistic and jaunty style standards that the IDF is known for. Plus-where is his scrub hat? He looks so schlumpy the way their marching him across that set. And there is a Jeep dealership in Gaza City.

    • annie
      annie
      July 20, 2014, 8:54 pm

      Like Israelis would actually allow a repeat of the Shalit fiasco

      could you flush that out for us a little bit. do you mean what happens in this war is what israel allows? did they allow the death of 18 of their soldiers? from what i heard, some israeli soldiers fell into a trap.

      i also heard hamas killed a lot more soldiers today, and israel has not admitted it yet. why do you think they waited so long to announce all these deaths when analysts on arab news stations were already discussing it many hours before.

      do you think maybe israelis don’t trust their officials so much now that they know they lied to the public, using the missing teens to commit massive human rights abuses and kill people in the WB. i wonder what else they are not telling them.

      i think israel is in a pickle. http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israel-in-pickle.html

      i think this war is not just about what israel will allow.

      slaughtering civilians tho, they do seem fairly proficient at that. but i heard that ambush, those were special forces weren’t they? or something. any idea how they lost so many men so early in the ground invasion?

      • ritzl
        ritzl
        July 20, 2014, 9:17 pm

        Great point, Annie. As long as Net’s use of Palestinian slaughter to shore up his government was cost free (zero value of Palestinian life) he could benefit from it. Now that dead Israelis are going to number in the tens from his cynical/deadly opportunism, there’s going to be a reckoning there.

      • annie
        annie
        July 20, 2014, 9:29 pm

        analysts in the ME are already speculating this is the end for him.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        July 20, 2014, 9:18 pm

        (sarcasm) How dare you run down those brave members of the idf using mobile artillery against a city densely populated by civilians. Sitting for all those hours and pushing a button.

        Seriously… the whole thing is stomach turning but artillery against civilians is beyond barbaric and cowardly.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 20, 2014, 10:05 pm

        Any operational military can not survive on the principle that one soldier captured as hostage can bring a nation to its knees. the shalit deal was the apex of the culmination of the past few prisoner exchange debacles that netted Israel basically zero and gained Hamas much. So-of course Israel doesn’t ‘control’ what Hamas soldiers do or “allow” for anything. I just say israel is unlikely to ever again reward Hamas for hostage taking in the way the Shalit deal was carried out. You don;t think most IDF conscripts are trained and taught what to expect if captured by Hamas. Its not even clear that the soldier they say they have even survived their attempted capture. While no soldier knows exactly what they will do when faced with capture I do know that it often plays a part in how fighting is conducted knowing what one will face if captured. Don’t kid yourself that Shalit wasn’t tortured. And he wasn’t in any kind of a prison like the Israeli jails with internet, cable, mosques and college where the prisoners were exchanged from

      • just
        just
        July 20, 2014, 10:17 pm

        “And he wasn’t in any kind of a prison like the Israeli jails with internet, cable, mosques and college where the prisoners were exchanged from”

        goodness! sounds swanky! may I please have a link to your source?

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        July 21, 2014, 12:21 am

        Dabakr “Don’t kid yourself that Shalit wasn’t tortured. And he wasn’t in any kind of a prison like the Israeli jails with internet, cable, mosques and college where the prisoners were exchanged from”

        Israel routinely tortures as does their idol, the US. In israel you don’t even have to be a combatant, all that’s required is a certain hue (brown) and the right non-jewish name and presto chango you’re going to the show!

      • Mikhael
        Mikhael
        July 21, 2014, 10:20 pm

        Marnie says:
        July 21, 2014 at 12:21 am
        In israel you don’t even have to be a combatant, all that’s required is a certain hue (brown)

        Probably more than half of Israeli Jews have that brown hue you reference. And many Palestinian Arab have very white skin, red, blonde, or light brown hair, and green or blue eyes. Skin color has no relevance to the struggle of the Jewish People (which is composed of people of many skin hues) to exist as a free nation in its own homeland.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        July 21, 2014, 12:52 am

        Perhaps he will get to enjoy enhanced interrogation techniques? I would hope not. It’s an abomination whoever does it. But for the record, if the worst happens, I will laugh at Israeli’s who will react in horror while ignoring the fact that their state does it on a routine basis. Even to children.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        July 21, 2014, 7:22 am

        Even to children. If only it weren’t true.

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        July 22, 2014, 12:41 am

        mikha,

        One day you will recognize and admit that the original Hebrews were Arab, born in the Arab desert terrain.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        July 21, 2014, 3:17 am

        “Any operational military can not survive on the principle that one soldier captured as hostage can bring a nation to its knees.”

        Israel is different. Dead soldiers are really sad for Israel. They mean the deterrence is broken.

  2. LuLu
    LuLu
    July 20, 2014, 7:36 pm

    “IDF refutes it captured one of its soldiers alive” Well they did, My sister called me from Jerusalem and told me about it several hours ago… Oh it is VERY True..

    “CNN broadcast a report on the Palestinian celebrations and described them as “macabre.”
    They are celebrating because one soldier captive will get 1000-2500 Palestinian detainees who have been caged up with no charges and no reason… lol

    • amigo
      amigo
      July 20, 2014, 8:09 pm

      “CNN broadcast a report on the Palestinian celebrations and described them as “macabre.”LuLu

      I wonder if CNN report on the Israelis in sderot sipping wine as they cheered the slaughter of children in Gaza.You will hear it referred to here as “Sderot Cinema.

      Hypocrites.

      Question, why does spell check not recognise Sderot.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        July 21, 2014, 12:54 am

        Because it’s not a real place name. It’s a settlement built over the ruins of the dispossessed? Just guessing mind you… I’ve never met a dictionary so I’m not sure how they think.

      • aiman
        aiman
        July 21, 2014, 6:02 am

        Yeah I was thinking the same. Dictionaries are out of touch with settlers, it’ll take Israel longer to get an imprint there and hopefully the example sentence will go:

        Sderot: an illegal outpost, known for the hill from which some citizens of the Israeli Sparta, gazed upon the bombing of the Gaza ghetto. Later became [fill in the Palestinian name] and world renowned for producing olive products.

      • Walid
        Walid
        July 21, 2014, 6:48 am

        Speaking of Sderot, this morning 4 IDF soldiers injured by a rocket.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        July 21, 2014, 12:47 pm

        oldgeezer – from Wikipedia “Sderot was founded in 1951 as a transit camp for Kurdish and Persian Jewish immigrants, who lived in tents and shacks during the Jewish exodus from Muslim countries before permanent housing was completed in 1954.[6] It was built on lands belonging to the Palestinian Arab village of Najd[7] and is located a few miles south of the village’s ruins. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were driven out[8] to Gaza. In 1956, Sderot was recognized as a local council.[9]”

        You were right of course – almost every town was something before.

      • SQ Debris
        SQ Debris
        July 21, 2014, 3:53 pm

        The Oxford English Dictionary has reportedly been seen prowling the night trying to figure out the definition of Jewish Democracy.

  3. michelle
    michelle
    July 20, 2014, 8:48 pm

    .
    at this time it seems like Israel would rather
    revenge his death then save his life
    to rescue would lose ground in their true objective
    in reality to Israel he is no more then a pawn
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      July 20, 2014, 10:27 pm

      they probably murdered him while trying to locate his erb chip and cut it out of his body.

      I understand that there are dozens of additional low flying drones in the east of GC so they are looking for something.

      • michelle
        michelle
        July 22, 2014, 7:45 am

        .
        hi DaBakr
        i hope they find what they need
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

  4. Kay24
    Kay24
    July 20, 2014, 9:05 pm

    Looks like Sodastream is losing it’s bubbles:

    “Ramadan dispute leads to Sodastream dismissals
    Company denies it fired Muslim workers who complained about receiving insufficient food to break the Ramadan fast.
    Sodastream, which makes soda machines for home use, fired 60 Palestinian workers this month from its plant in the West Bank settlement of Mishor Adumim over a dispute about the food they received during their shifts to break the day-long fast during the month of Ramadan.” Haaretz

    Sodastream is either broke and cannot afford to feed it’s employees, or being mean to them. Either way it looks bad for them. It must be hard to fizzle out into nothing.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      July 21, 2014, 12:24 am

      Israel has a just society (as in just you wait – I’ll get my revenge). It’s going down the tubes, and that would be just.

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      July 21, 2014, 12:58 am

      No no… You have it wrong. Sodastream is a responsible employer who cares about it’s staff. It employs Palestinians for humanitarian reasons because it has such a huge heart. Ask Scarlett. They were merely concerned that an excess of food on a digestive system which has been deprived may make them ill. Everything is twisted around when it comes to Israel. If more people cared for Palestinians the way we do then they would do the same. Look a wookie! (/sarcasm)

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        July 21, 2014, 9:11 am

        Maybe collective hunger punishment. I guess the illegal settlers may now get those jobs and keep being busy, rather than resort to terroristic activities.

  5. concernedhuman
    concernedhuman
    July 20, 2014, 9:13 pm

    Some 13 soldiers dead? Now tell the world that Hamas targets civilians and uses civilians as human shields?
    Did all these die saving those civilian shields?

    Bombing defenseless people by fighter jets , drones , bombing them sitting in tanks and APCs and well shelling them from sea –the most moral army of the world !!

    • annie
      annie
      July 20, 2014, 9:22 pm

      Some 13 soldiers dead?

      no, israel is admitting 18 now. but rumors are flying it’s much higher. (these do not include some of the deaths that occurred yesterday).

      13 IDF soldiers killed in Gaza as Operation Protective Edge death toll climbs to 18
      Latest Israeli military fatalities all from Golani Brigade; IDF completing identification process of fallen troops.

      http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Seven-Golani-soldiers-killed-in-Gaza-363528

      frankly, i don’t believe everything in that article either. they were ambushed.

      Golani’s 13th Battalion drove over an explosive device and caught fire

      that’s not what i heard.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        July 20, 2014, 9:38 pm

        It must be a big blow to them although they will never admit it.
        These soldiers belonged to an elite fighting group. To admit to any failure, will be depressing for the mighty IDF.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 20, 2014, 10:13 pm

        jeezus criminy! you really expect Israel to confirm ALL the deaths before they can even procure the bodies and notify the families and conduct a prelim examine of how they died? Reports of up to 30 deaths -just not confirmed. Calm down. There will be plenty of Israeli death for Paletinians to gloat over before this op is over. If it soothes some of their frustration and helplessness then that is one of the prices of war. I don’t begrudge them that. The Israeli field hospitals are full-with IDF. That was admitted-although I don’t see the reports that they are also filled with wounded Palestinians right next to the beds of IDF soldiers. What a ‘nazi-like’ army this IDF are.

      • annie
        annie
        July 20, 2014, 10:22 pm

        Calm down

        i’m perfectly calm.

        jeezus criminy!

        maybe it’s you getting flustered.

        Reports of up to 30 deaths -just not confirmed.

        hm. i heard there were at least 20 today. plus the other 18..that’s getting closer to 40. give or take a few.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 20, 2014, 10:34 pm

        military planners expect more then that-but why would they announce it? Its obvious there will be loss on both sides and both sides will use what it can for PR advantage. Israeli funerals are not secretive so the numbers will come out. Usually-Hamas is forthcoming in declaring its members as ‘martyrs’ but this time there have been reports that Hamas wants everybody to be declared a ‘civilian’ dead until Hamas decides to declare them militant deaths. Don’t trust any military org to release honest death tolls in the thick of battle. It can disclose too much info.

      • annie
        annie
        July 20, 2014, 10:44 pm

        but this time there have been reports that Hamas wants everybody to be declared a ‘civilian’ dead until Hamas decides to declare them militant deaths.

        reports from who? please explain or provide a source because all i’ve heard are allegations from hasbarists about hamas wanting civilian death. there are many many photos and videos of dead children. there was a video of the aftermath of that neighborhood. what are you implying?

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 20, 2014, 10:15 pm

        “thats not what I heard”

        drove over an explosive device planted by waiting Hamas troops…what are you nit-picking about? Isn’t that exactly what an ambush is?

      • annie
        annie
        July 20, 2014, 10:35 pm

        what are you nit-picking about?

        oh nothing. but i wrote something yesterday about israel being in a pickle, given they really don’t know the quality, quantity, or where abouts of hamas’ weapons. i heard the tank got blown up another way. i don’t like gore so i’m not going to go into detail. let’s just say hamas said they had some surprises and they’ve delivered thus far.

        and i also read yaalon said something about intensifying fire to evacuate casualties which made me wonder if they massacred all those civilians as a form of retribution. timing and all that.

        and since it was hamas who announced the captured soldier, and the rumors were flying about all those deaths way before the iof announced them, it sort of looks like israel didn’t want to announce any casualties til after the massacre. because what if people had heard about those deaths and then read about the civilians massacred. they might have put 2 and 2 together. instead, we get graphics about underground tunnels underneath the neighborhood.

        not too convincing. like that UN ticking bomb graphic. we are not stupid.

      • annie
        annie
        July 20, 2014, 10:39 pm

        what’s next?plowing thru every neighborhood in gaza and then claiming they all have weapons under them and hamas wants israel to kill all those civilians? it’s getting a little far fetched, israel’s propaganda and the killing sprees.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 21, 2014, 2:51 am

        well. sure as sht nothing is going to end until all the tunnels under the border are rooted out, up and destroyed. there may well be surprises that Hamas has in store for IDF. IDF is not making plans as if their ops will be easy or safe. Soldiers know they are in danger. All of these things except for 2 right now: 1) there is no truth to a soldier being kidnapped and 2) this operation is just getting started-not close to easing up and pulling back.

      • annie
        annie
        July 21, 2014, 3:00 am

        2) this operation is just getting started-not close to easing up and pulling back.

        no shit sherlock.

        1) there is no truth to a soldier being kidnapped

        because the zionist occupation regime always tell the truth hahahahah

        sure as sht nothing is going to end until all the tunnels under the border are rooted out

        like the mighty iof rooted out hezbollah’s weapons stash. hahahahaha

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        July 21, 2014, 4:11 am

        Dabakr,

        Nassrallah yesterday spoke with Meshaal by phone then released a statement confirming that hizbollah is indeed ready to join the fray in aid of the Palestinian resistance in Gaza. So, Dabkar, are you guys ready for hizbollah to step into the fray when you can’t even handle controlling hamas, a much weaker resistance group? I think NOT.

        Like Nassrallas stated a few days ago: “It is forbidden for Gaza to fall”. If you’re smart, you’d take his words seriously.

        You gotta just face the facts here: you’ve already lost Gaza. And in the end, you will have to accept ALL OF HAMAS’ CONDITIONS if you want your lifestyle to return to a relative norm.

        Start adjusting to the new power equation: you eff with Palestine and Palestine will eff right back at you.

        You lost your deterrence against hizbollah in 2006, and you’ve just lost your deterrence against Hamas in 2014.

        This is the new reality that no amount of spin can change.

      • July 21, 2014, 8:16 am

        Annie: Maybe. Eventually the goal is to rid Greater Israel of all non-Jews, is it not? Maybe Israel feels now is the time to do so. After all, the NY Times re-assured us on Friday that this time is different, this time Israel has international support! I was impressed: they generally use the same lies over and over again, even the same words in the same order. This was a new one.

  6. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    July 20, 2014, 9:15 pm

    In other resistance news they’re calling a general strike. From Ynet:

    “The Committee of the Arab citizens of Israel have decided to begin a general strike Monday in all Arab sectors to observe a day of morning in solidarity with the people of Gaza and to voice opposition against Israel’s military operation. It was also reported that demonstrations have been scheduled for Monday throughout the country.”

  7. Kay24
    Kay24
    July 20, 2014, 10:44 pm

    Apparently Israel’s representative to the UN has denied an IDF soldier was captured by Hamas.

    I did not realize the Fareed Zakaria was pro Israel. He mentioned that Hamas and the Palestinian side are not always truthful, but failed to mention that neither was Bibi and the Israelis.
    James Woolsley made sure to blame Hamas and even other groups, for not treating Israel well. Hmm…only in zio land would they expect people to treat their brutal occupiers “right”.

  8. Kris
    Kris
    July 20, 2014, 11:32 pm

    @Kay24, my daughter graduated from Oberlin College in 2008, and Fareed Zakaria was the commencement speaker. My family was shocked and disgusted by his vacuous remarks. It should be no surprise that he is pro-Israel; Zakaria is basically pro- whatever is good for Zakaria.

    We were astonished and angry that Oberlin had invited such a shallow thinker to speak.

    (But we still love Oberlin, anyway!)

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      July 21, 2014, 9:16 am

      Well, I must admit I am quite disappointed to see, and hear about Zakaria’s ugly side. I think to do what is good for yourself, as a journalist, and bend with the wind, is shallow and cheap. They have lost their dignity in protecting their million dollar jobs.

  9. ivri
    ivri
    July 21, 2014, 1:04 am

    I wonder for how long you can keep both tracks at once: on one hand trumpeting any setback for Israel as a “game changer” in favor of the Palestinians and on the other hand lamenting them as helpless victims when something bad happens to them. The English say” You can`t (concurrently) run with the hare and hunt with hounds”

    • annie
      annie
      July 21, 2014, 1:41 am

      I wonder for how long you can keep both tracks at once: on one hand trumpeting any setback for Israel as a “game changer”

      who are you quoting? the AJElive tweet asking if this was a game changer?

      and on the other hand lamenting them as helpless victims

      civilians living inside an outdoor prison getting picked off like fish in a barrel are helpless victims.

      there’s no contradiction in pointing out the 4th largest military power in the world got their asses kicked by the palestinian resistance and lamenting the slaughter of innocents those same occupation forces savagely took out their revenge on, like the complete cowards that they are. none whatsoever actually.

      that said, i don’t think this is the game changer. i think if hamas can keep it up and israel experiences a consistent drip drip drip like we’ve seen these last couple days, over several weeks, then let’s talk game changer.

      i said israel was in a pickle, i didn’t say they were pickled. yet.

      • ivri
        ivri
        July 21, 2014, 7:36 am

        “i didn’t say they were pickled. yet.”
        I am afraid your reading of the developments is not much more than wishful thinking. In my view the Hamas game is already over.
        Hamas is losing in days what it built in years and will have no way to redo or to replenish missile stocks. I would not be surprised if the Gazans will opt for Abbas once the mayhem is over – seeing little benefits in Hamas designs, in both the lack of civil investments and the meager military “successes”, and having paid too much for that. They are also tuned to the Arab world views and where Syria is effectively gone, Hezbollah is embroiled in the fight there and Egypt plus Saudi-Arabia are against Hamas.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        July 21, 2014, 12:20 pm

        Don’t you just love when anti-Palestinians claim to speak for Arabs?

        In the Fatah bastion of Ramallah last night, thousands were out on the streets, waving Hamas flags and celebrating the alleged capture of the soldier. Hamas popularity is higher than ever in the Arab world. Do you really think Palestinians base their alleigances on what some polygamous Gulf sheikh thinks? Have you ever actually MET a Palestinian, Ivri?

      • ivri
        ivri
        July 21, 2014, 5:08 pm

        MDM, In response to your question: I live in West Jerusalem….

      • Djinn
        Djinn
        July 22, 2014, 1:30 am

        I would not be surprised if the Gazans will opt for Abbas once the mayhem is over

        Do you know a single Palestinian living in Gaza? I’m really interested in where you get this idea that they would prefer Abbas? Or is this projection on your part?

        In response to your question: I live in West Jerusalem….

        If some redneck in the Deep South in the 1950s answered a similar question along those lines everyone would laugh. Yes you’ve likely met Palestinians but I sincerely doubt they’ve confided their political hopes with the ignorant Zionist they randomly met.

  10. bilal a
    bilal a
    July 21, 2014, 2:39 am

    Birthright can be fatal”

    “He visited Israel for the first time on a Birthright Israel trip with his younger brother and sister in June 2012, his father said. When he returned, he made an announcement to his parents that he was planning to return and join the IDF, Steinberg said. He made good on that promise less than six months later, making the move in December.

    …”He was completely dedicated and committed to serving the country of Israel.

    Stuart Steinberg confirmed the death of his Max Steinberg, 24, to The Associated Press on Sunday

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/21/2-americans-killed-in-fighting-in-gaza-strip/

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      July 21, 2014, 9:20 am

      Brainwashing at a young age. That is what this birthright trip is all about, it is to make young impressionable minds feel they must protect the victim (with the big guns). It makes sure that they become adults who continue that deep devotion and loyalty, who will support Israel, right or wrong.

      These notorious trips are part of the bigger plan to influence American thinking, and it seems the eager shameless congress, are also given these freebee trips, for their unwavering support.

  11. MahaneYehude1
    MahaneYehude1
    July 21, 2014, 2:39 am

    Even it is truth that an Israeli soldier was captured by Hamas, I don’t understand how peoples can celebrate with dancing and cakes in one of the terrible days of this war.

    BTW, Israel announced that Hamas fighters entered Israel. There are causalities among IDF soldiers. I don’t have the number yet.

    • annie
      annie
      July 21, 2014, 3:26 am

      mehane, a hostage means bargaining power. that is what they are celebrating.

      Israel announced that Hamas fighters entered Israel.

      yep, they infiltrated the occupation forces (uniforms etc) and took them out inside israel. at least that’s what they were reporting early yesterday in the arabic press before israel announced the casualties.

      settlers kidnapped a palestinian and killed him.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        July 21, 2014, 3:49 am

        @Annie;

        OK, good!!! I want people here to know that there is a war between Hamas fighters and IDF fighters, not “massacres” and “slaughters” as you report here. In this war, there are many battles and many causalities to both sides. Those dead fighters, from both sides, fell in dignity, not like fish in the barrel. I think the Hamas fighter deserves from you little respect.

        settlers kidnapped a palestinian and killed him.

        When? It is something new from today or are you referring to Abu-Khdeir? If the later is correct, let me remind you that also 3 Israeli teens were kidnapped and killed. Both events are evil!!! and I condemn both of them.

      • annie
        annie
        July 21, 2014, 4:30 am

        it’s news from today. death by settler.

        Those dead fighters, from both sides, fell in dignity, not like fish in the barrel.

        please do not twist my meaning, here’s what i said:

        civilians living inside an outdoor prison getting picked off like fish in a barrel are helpless victims.

        that’s hundreds of civilian deaths. there’s no dignity in getting slaughtered by an occupation army and there’s no dignity in slaughtering children which the israeli military troops do w/proficient regularity. the dime weapons are decapitating people. what dignity is there in this? as a soldier, what dignity is there in using this weaponry, or white phosperous? the zionist regime is not leading samurai into battle, that’s for sure.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        July 21, 2014, 5:19 am

        No it’s not a war. And even if it was that doesn’t preclude massacres and slaughters.

        Gaza is a civilian city. Hamas is either a terrorist group or a civilian militia. It’s not an army. They don’t have the vast majority of weapons usually held by an army. No tanks. No apc’s. No artillery (which Israel shamelessly uses to bombard a civilian area), No navy (ditto on the bombardment). No air force, not even a WWI biplane.

        Using the term war only lends credibility to the deadly force being employed which is resulting in slaughters and massacres. Mainly of innocent civilians at that.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 21, 2014, 7:48 am

        >> MY1: I want people here to know that there is a war between Hamas fighters and IDF fighters …

        Potato-man, you should also want people here to know that Israel:
        – is an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State”;
        – was born of Jewish terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands;
        – has been engaged in a 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder;
        – refuses to honour its obligations under international law;
        – refuses to accept responsibility and accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; and
        – refuses to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

        (You might also want people here to know that when Israel conducts kidnapping investigations, it kills Palestinians and destroys Palestinian property – actions that make you a proud Israeli.)

        >> Those dead fighters, from both sides, fell in dignity …

        How can you possibly know this, Potato-man?

      • Tzombo
        Tzombo
        July 21, 2014, 8:24 am

        3 Israeli teens were never kidnapped. They were murdered by a party unknown and Netanyahu knew that right away, then abused the incident by pretending to ‘search’ while rounding up Palestinians and killing anyone who resisted and THEN claiming the ‘right of self-defence’. Clear case of wanting to have his cake and eating it. And getting away with that because you’re Israeli.

      • just
        just
        July 21, 2014, 8:51 am

        You have a point. A very good one.

        You left out the part about him LYING to the families of the 3 teens first, and the rest of the world second.

        There is nothing that the GoI does not lie about.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        July 21, 2014, 9:24 am

        You are right, but that is conveniently forgotten, the lies, the collective punishment, and the brutality against innocent people, who could not even break their Ramadan fast, because the monsters trashed their homes.

        The lying PM Bibi, was even able to say with such a straight face, that Hamas has “forced” them to attack Gaza. Yeah right, who put a gun on Bibi’s arrogant head?

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        July 21, 2014, 10:13 am

        Tzombo:

        I am sorry, but I am not interested in science fiction nor in fairy tales.

      • amigo
        amigo
        July 21, 2014, 9:51 am

        “OK, good!!! I want people here to know that there is a war between Hamas fighters and IDF fighters,” club mehane.

        So you will be referring to the Captured idffer as just that.

        Not kidnapped–right spud.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 21, 2014, 12:32 pm

        >> MY1: … I am not interested in science fiction nor in fairy tales.

        Unless the fiction and fairy tales involve:
        – Palestine as the gawd-given “historic homeland” of people of the Jewish faith all over the world; and
        – Israel as a “moral beacon” rather than an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State”,
        …in which case you show tremendous interest and fervent belief in them, eh, Potato-man?

    • Taxi
      Taxi
      July 21, 2014, 4:31 am

      mahane,

      A captured idf soldier is worth at least 1000 Palestinian civilians kidnapped by the idf and thrown into jail where they sit rotting FOR YEARS without being officially charged.

      1 captured soldier = the freedom of 1000 kidnapped Palestinian civilians.

      I’d say that’s worth a few champagne bottles.

    • July 21, 2014, 8:18 am

      You don’t understand how a people being massacred by the IDF can celebrate the capture of an IDF student? I can. What I cannot understand is allegedly terrorized people taking wine and popcorn to a hillside to watch the slaughter of civilians.

  12. Walid
    Walid
    July 21, 2014, 3:04 am

    “The demonstrators hurled Molotov cocktails and stones at the Palestinian preventative security.”

    Well-deserved; if the PA security is going to act like the enemy of the Palestinians, it should be treated by the people accordingly.

  13. Justpassingby
    Justpassingby
    July 21, 2014, 3:10 am

    I see that abbas still dont do anything, what a joke he is, but he want to take power in Gaza along with Israel, dont be fooled by this man.

  14. seafoid
    seafoid
    July 21, 2014, 6:47 am

    Surely the Palestinians are celebrating the advances in Palestinian resistance on display. Poor golani brigade. they were just doing the gardening. And the IDF has no combat experience in recent years. Cast Turkeyshoot doesn’t count. Ya salaam.

    • annie
      annie
      July 21, 2014, 6:54 am

      no combat experience in recent years. Cast Turkeyshoot doesn’t count.

      omg, that caught me by surprise.

  15. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    Maximus Decimus Meridius
    July 21, 2014, 11:43 am

    The IDF is still neither ‘confirming nor denying’ the capture of the soldier.

    What that means is that he is MIA, and almost certainly in the custody of Hamas. The only question is whether he is dead or alive. The fact that Hamas has not produced any photos of him, nearly 24 hours after announcing his capture, would indicate that the latter is more likely.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      July 21, 2014, 11:57 am

      Too late to edit my last post – meant to say that the fact Hamas have released no current photos/vids of the captured soldier would indicate that he is probably dead, or close to it.

    • Taxi
      Taxi
      July 21, 2014, 12:05 pm

      “The fact that Hamas has not produced any photos of him, nearly 24 hours after announcing his capture, would indicate that the latter is more likely.”

      Not really, Maximus. Keeping the question of whether the captured soldier is dead or alive delivers a resounding psychosocial punch to Natenyahu and his predatory society – its called psychological warfare. This information is also an important bargaining chip. Israel will have to concede something first to get the answer to the question: is the captured soldier dead or alive.

  16. dbroncos
    dbroncos
    July 21, 2014, 11:07 pm

    God bless Hamas. They’re fighting as best they can against American tax payer financed F-16s, Apache gunships, armed drones, tanks and professional soldiers. They’re fighting not because they want to but because common decency demands it. Living year after year under the racist Zionist yoke is unbearable. Let the voices of those of us who are protesing all over the world ring in the ears of brave Hamas fighters, who are little more than a citizen soldier malitia and who are risking their lives and paying the ultimate price for the cause of freedom. Hamas may not win the battle but Palestinians will win the war for liberation.

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