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I think it’s cool that TMZ headlined this an “Epic Israel/Palestine rant.” The media are catching a clue. Joan Rivers was interviewed as she entered an airport; and she agrees with me that the mainstream media are showing more sympathy this time to the Palestinian view of things. Some nuggets.

Rivers: If New Jersey were firing rockets into New York, we would wipe them out.

Reporter: What about the civilian casualty rates?

Don’t you dare put weapon stashes in private homes…

Reporter: Where are the civilians supposed to go?

You’re all insane. They [Palestinians] started it. What are you all saying? They started it. The Israelis did not throw their– for months this has been going on. What are you supposed to do? How do I know? I have been over there. That’s how I know. And I wish the world would know. BBC should be ashamed of themselves. And CNN should be ashamed of themselves. And everybody, stop it already.

Reporter asks about Dwight Howard and Selena Gomez using social media in favor of Palestine. A reflection of the fact that the young and non-white and much of TMZ’s audience do not see Israel’s aggression as justified.

Oh, that college grad! Oh if Selena said that. Let’s see if she can spell Palestinian.

PS. Re BBC, see this from Ian Pannell:

In #gaza a baby is delivered from a woman killed by Israeli bombing. Watch Ian Pannell’s BBC report.

Is Joan Rivers’s criticism appropriate in light of these atrocities?

Thanks to media maven Adam Horowitz.

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  1. just
    just on July 26, 2014, 9:39 am

    Ugh.

    Perhaps she just spent the night with Bill Maher and Dennis Miller and Eliot Engel– she looks/sounds it.

    A laugh and a lie a minute.

    (who’s her handmaiden and sidekick? har-har-har)

    • Ellen
      Ellen on July 26, 2014, 10:35 am

      Her words are a reflection of how most Americans think. This is what the media and government and propaganda machine tells them.

      I heard almost the exact words last night from someone who has the brains to know better. ok, she was of the same generation as Rivers. But still……

  2. a blah chick
    a blah chick on July 26, 2014, 9:41 am

    I made a comment a while ago that, short of gang rape, there was nothing that Israel’s army could do that wouldn’t be supported by their die hard lovers. Scratch that, I’m not sure about the gang rape anymore.

    • Qualtrough
      Qualtrough on July 26, 2014, 11:32 am

      Hi a blah chick–The few things the die hard lovers cannot publicly support they will just deny happened. Problem solved.

    • Egbert
      Egbert on July 26, 2014, 1:03 pm

      The only response from Israel would be ‘they made us do it’.

    • Big C
      Big C on July 26, 2014, 3:04 pm

      They would defend it, no matter how stupid.

      American Media: “They had no choice. Israel has received intelligence that proves Hamas was hiding rockets in her uterus and the soldiers only went deep enough to protect themselves”

      Cut to hand drawn diagram from Netanyahu picture of female reproductive system with a rocket in the fallopian tubes.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 27, 2014, 12:38 am

        That was hilarious BigC.

        One if the few things that has given me reason to laugh these past weeks.

  3. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    Maximus Decimus Meridius on July 26, 2014, 9:46 am

    Unfortunately for the Zionists, demographics are against them. Not only on their own turf, but in America too. Fanatics like Rivers are in their 70s. A recent study showed that support for Zionism in the USA is much lower among the youth than it is with older people. Young people have seen nothing but massacres and sieges from Zionism, and with the easy availability of alternative media, they don’t have to rely on CNN or BBC with their ‘both sides’ narratives. The anti-semite slur elicits little more than a shrug, and the holocaust is ancient history.

    Rivers and her ilk are dinosaurs, a bit like the relic of 19th century ‘blut und boden’ ethno-nationalism known as Israel.

    • seafoid
      seafoid on July 26, 2014, 3:00 pm

      Rivers is 87. Hasbara is as real as her face and people know it.

      • Denis
        Denis on July 26, 2014, 3:51 pm

        She’s 81. Say whatever you want about what’s between her ears and what comes out her mouth, she looks and moves and is as quick mentally as a 45 yo. As the lady in Katz’s Diner said, I’ll have what she’s having.

        Note how she uses first person plural throughout in reference not only to being a New Yorker but also a . . . well, what?

        Rivers (agitated): “We say get out . . . of course we’re gonna’ do it.” [W/ respect to responding to Palestinians w/ weapons in their homes.]

        What is this “we” sh*t? Does her “we” mean we Jews or we Israelis or we geriatrics, or what? I think the Dude referred to it as the “editorial we, man.”

        It’s a good question: when an American Jew says “We had no option but to attack Gaza.” what does that pronoun mean? Do American Catholics or Buddhists use “we” when talking about Israel? Is GoI the 51st state? Don’t think so.

        That tiny pronoun is an outer glimmer of one’s inner apartheid.

      • Ellen
        Ellen on July 26, 2014, 5:12 pm

        Yes, the GoI is the 51st state. That is why the US gov will sacrifice American citizens and the resources of the US for Israel. Heck, our own police forces are trained by Israeli forces. We usurp ourselves to this 51st state.

        Btw, have you ever seen an Israeli passport? Easy to mistake on first glance for a US passport.

      • kalithea
        kalithea on July 26, 2014, 11:14 pm

        How about: she’s VULGAR for starters and at her age, she’s nothing but an old, irrelevant, loud-mouthed Zionist with one foot already in the grave. Reality bites, whether you’re freakishly stretched to look 65 or whether your brain functions like a 45-year old.

      • Jekyll
        Jekyll on July 27, 2014, 3:33 am

        Any more hasbara, her face would literally fall apart.

  4. Bill NYC
    Bill NYC on July 26, 2014, 9:53 am

    She’s a grade-A idiot. Very typical of her generation, unfortunately.

  5. on July 26, 2014, 9:58 am

    These reflexive Israel supporters are beyond help.

    What are we to do?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius on July 26, 2014, 11:23 am

      We don’t need to do anything. Rivers’ generation are beyond help. Thankfully, younger people are much less tolerant of the lies of Zion. The idea of Israel as a plucky little nation populated by brave holocaust survivors, fighting for their lives against the marauding Arab masses, is dead. Rivers is a dinosaur.

      • on July 26, 2014, 12:28 pm

        “Thankfully, younger people are much less tolerant of the lies of Zion. The idea of Israel as a plucky little nation populated by brave holocaust survivors, fighting for their lives against the marauding Arab masses, is dead.”

        I wish that were true but I don’t believe it for a second. With so many Jews shuttled off to Jewish schools for their primary education, with summers at Israel camp, and then “Birthright” visits, the indoctrination continues.

        On an anecdotal note, I have seen several teenagers break out their “Friends of Israel” t-shirts in response to the slaughter in Gaza (and now the W Bank too).

        This problem is not just going to go away.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius on July 26, 2014, 12:41 pm

        Jews are what? 2% of the population of the US? Completely insignificant in the broader scheme of things, and even among American Jews, attachment to Zionism has faded considerably in recent years.

        I was talking about the general population. And there, Zionism is proving a much tougher sell. There was a survey only a few days ago which showed that the younger people are, the less likely they are to approve of Israel’s actions in Gaza. Also, non-whites were more likely to be opposed to Israel, which is also significant, given their higher birthrates.

        A nuclear armed bully which kills civilians by the hundreds just doesn’t play that well with young people, especially since the ‘oh but we had the holocaust’ excuse is likely to meet with increasing indifference.

      • on July 26, 2014, 7:23 pm

        Maximus. It does not matter. The Lobby owns Congress and now the White House. It owns the Fed and much of our mainstream media. Its appointees regulate our financial industry and chair the key Senate financial and foreign affairs committees. At some point, despite the propaganda, knee jerk report for Israel among the population will dip below 50%. But nothing will change because ambitious pols and businessmen know they have to play ball to get ahead. Or at least they think they do. Nothing will change until the people are in the streets and scaring the crap out of the political class. We surely cannot vote our way out of this.

      • seafoid
        seafoid on July 26, 2014, 3:05 pm

        I was thinking of ordering a tshirt with

        Hitler was wrong
        So was Jabotinsky

        possibly in English and Hebrew

      • just
        just on July 26, 2014, 3:12 pm

        I’ll take 20.

      • RoHa
        RoHa on July 26, 2014, 11:17 pm

        Goles, according to this,

        http://investmentwatchblog.com/america-is-the-only-country-with-a-favorable-view-of-israel/

        69% of Australians take a dim view of Israel! and yet our major parties (Liberal-Country Coalition and Labor*) still have their tongues stuck firmly up Israel’s arse.

        (*Who can’t spell their own name.)

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 27, 2014, 8:45 pm

        and yet our major parties (Liberal-Country Coalition and Labor*) still have their tongues stuck firmly up Israel’s arse.

        But thankfully, the government isn’t nearly as fuc#ed up as Washington.

        Abbot a Bishop were forced to run away with their takes between their legs and throw Brandis under the bus over the “disputed” territories gaffe.

        And then there was the resignation of Vic Alhadeff, the chief executive of the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies, as chairman of the N.S.W. Community Relations Commission after his claim that Israel was defending itself.

        This would’ve unheard of in Washington.

      • Jekyll
        Jekyll on July 27, 2014, 3:33 am

        Don’t forget in ‘American’.

      • Pixel
        Pixel on July 27, 2014, 6:02 am

        Just…

        I’ll take 20 and raise you 20.

    • SQ Debris
      SQ Debris on July 27, 2014, 2:40 pm

      What to do? Change the conversation. Couch any discussion of the I/P conflict in terms of human equality. Run a “Hannity” on zionists: “Do you or do you not recognize human equality. It’s a simple yes or no question.” Flush out their racism in any public forum.

  6. John O
    John O on July 26, 2014, 10:02 am

    For one glorious moment, reading your headline, I thought she thought – like most people here probably would – that CNN and the BBC were being slammed for being too pro-Israel. Sigh. I know better now.

    • kalithea
      kalithea on July 26, 2014, 10:49 pm

      A take on Huffpo’s misleading headlines that force you to go there making you feel punked.

  7. Kay24
    Kay24 on July 26, 2014, 10:12 am

    There is nothing so pathetic as an aging has been comedian, who keeps ranting and raving and showing total ignorance, as she fades into the sunset.
    Their love for a terrorist state, has made them look irrational and dumb.
    Only those like minded like her, will agree. The rest of the world, the majority, will simply think of her as a senile old woman, with a plastic face, that is older than Israel.
    Heh.

  8. Jackdaw
    Jackdaw on July 26, 2014, 10:14 am

    ” They started it.”

    Well. She does have that much right.
    The Palestinians did start it and everyone outside your echo chamber know it.

    • annie
      annie on July 26, 2014, 10:18 am

      so what was that little 3 week pogrom of killings and house invasions and rounding up of hundreds of people after the kidnapping w/out a shred of evidence hamas was involved? has israel released any of those people?

      or by your reckoning only israeli actions are reactions?

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw on July 26, 2014, 1:19 pm

        Arresting West Bank Hamas members pursuant to a criminal investigation into the kidnap/murder of three boys justifies shooting rockets a Israeli civilian targets? Arrests justifies war crimes? Ha!

        BTW. The rocket attacks from Gaza began while the search for the boys was underway.

        BTW. The two main suspects of the murder/kidnap were Hamasniks.

        http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/01/world/middleeast/Israel-missing-teenagers.html?_r=0

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw on July 26, 2014, 2:05 pm

        Hamas policeman led rocket attacks on Israel before the kidnap/murders of three Jewish boys.
        http://www.jpost.com/Defense/IAF-strikes-target-in-Gaza-Palestinians-report-casualty-356046
        Gaza rocket attacks on Israel that preceded the kidnap/murders of the three Jewish boys.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2014#June

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 27, 2014, 12:58 am

        Hamas policeman led rocket attacks on Israel before the kidnap/murders of three Jewish boys.

        False.
        Hamas fires rockets for first time since 2012, Israeli officials say
        http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-fired-rockets-for-first-time-since-2012-israeli-officials-say/

        That article refers to Israeli attacks on Gaza on June 29. Therefore the only Hamas rocket attacks that preceded kidnap/murders of the three Jewish boys were on November 2012.

        Gaza rocket attacks on Israel that preceded the kidnap/murders of the three Jewish boys.

        None of which were from Hamas. What’s more, Netanyahu declared that the bombing of June 29 was not spit rockets, but punishment for Hamas’ alleged involvement in the kidnappings – now exposed as a lie.
        http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=709056

        Note there is no mention of rockets.

        And here are the hundreds of attacks by Israel on Gaza that preceded the kidnap/murders of the three Jewish boys.
        http://blog.thejerusalemfund.org/2012/12/israeli-ceasefire-violations-in-gaza.html

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw on July 27, 2014, 2:23 am

        @shingo

        No. My Jpost article is dated 6/11, one day before the boys were kidnapped. The article says that earlier that week, IDF killed Hamas policeman and rocketeer, Mahmad Awaar, who’d been rocketing Israel for some time.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 27, 2014, 9:04 pm

        No. My Jpost article is dated 6/11, one day before the boys were kidnapped. The article says that earlier that week, IDF killed Hamas policeman and rocketeer, Mahmad Awaar, who’d been rocketing Israel for some time.

        Right , article refers to the rocketeer as a Jihad Salafist terrorist, not Hamas. It says nothing about Hamas having fired rockets before that date.

        So that proves my point. Israel murdered a Hamas policeman for no reason.

        You lied when you says the rocket attack was led by a Hamas policeman.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw on July 27, 2014, 2:38 am

        @Shingo

        “And here are the hundreds of attacks by Israel on Gaza that preceded the kidnapping….”

        And here are the hundreds of attacks by Gazan Palestinians on Israel before the kidnap.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2014#Junehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2014#June

        BTW, Shingo. I’m under direct rocket attack here in Israel, where’s your stake in this conflict?

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 27, 2014, 9:07 pm

        BTW, Shingo. I’m under direct rocket attack here in Israel, where’s your stake in this conflict?

        Oh poor you. It’s evidently such a dangerous attack that your internet connection us working flawlessly, though Iron Dome is letting you down.

      • kalithea
        kalithea on July 26, 2014, 10:42 pm

        BTW. The ongoing Occupation, settlement expansion and inhumane blockade preceded the rockets.

        BTW. The jury is still out on whether they were Hamas or loosely associated or not even.

        BTW. Zionist resistance was a terrorist group according to your standards for Hamas and some occupy and occupied the highest posts in the Israeli government. So suck on that.

      • tree
        tree on July 27, 2014, 9:21 pm

        BTW, Shingo. I’m under direct rocket attack here in Israel, where’s your stake in this conflict?

        Jackdaw, you have a greater chance of drowning in a bathtub accident than you have of being killed or injured by a rocket from Gaza. Maybe you should be worried about those “terror tubs” instead.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 27, 2014, 12:48 am

        Arresting West Bank Hamas members pursuant to a criminal investigation into the kidnap/murder of three boys justifies shooting rockets a Israeli civilian targets?

        Stop lying.

        There was no criminal investigation. Demolishing homes is not part of any investigation.

        They already knew the boys weed dead and they already had their suspects, so none if these actions had anything to do with any investigation.

        Secondly, tickets from Hamas did not start being fired untilJune 30, the day after Israel bombed
        Gaza not because if rockets, but because according to Netenyahu, Hamas needed to be punished.

        Arrests justifies war crimes? Ha!

        Israel killed 12 Palestinians firing the siege. War crimes x12.

        <blockquote< BTW. The rocket attacks from Gaza began while the search for the boys was underway.

        False. There was no search under way. They knew the boys were dead. They even lied to the parents, thing then the gun shots in the distress call were blanks.

        And BTW. Israel bombed Gaza while the “search was under way” and before Hamas fired a single rocket.
        http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-fired-rockets-for-first-time-since-2012-israeli-officials-say/

        BTW. The two main suspects of the murder/kidnap were not Hamas.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw on July 27, 2014, 2:40 am

        @Shingo

        “Demolishing homes is not part of any investigation.”

        When they’re the houses of the two prime suspects, and the houses may be booby-trapped, than yes, demolishing homes is part of the investigation.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 27, 2014, 9:16 pm

        When they’re the houses of the two prime suspects, and the houses may be booby-trapped, than yes, demolishing homes is part of the investigation.

        What a load of rubbish! How are you supposed to gather evidence from a demolished home?

        And how does that explain the dozens if other homes demolished of those who were never even suspects?

        And if demolishing homes is indeed standard practice in a criminal investigation, when will the homes of the suspects who set the boy on fire be demolished?

        Seriously, you people are deranged.

      • Citizen
        Citizen on July 27, 2014, 3:04 am

        Israeli officials have now stated the kidnappers/murderers of the three Israeli hitchhikers were not Hamas, but “a single cell.” Further, if you want to pick out a crime, how about the one that happened not long before, like when the IDF shot dead two Palestinian boy walking in the street with their school back packs on their backs and hands free, last May 15, during Nakba Day? The cold blooded, sporty IDF murderers were captured in the act on a store front camera. The video is available on the internet.

      • RoHa
        RoHa on July 27, 2014, 10:18 pm

        “How are you supposed to gather evidence from a demolished home?”

        I’m sure they will be able to find a few videos (helpfully labelled “Our Confession”, in mis-spelled Arabic) of swarthy, unshaven, wild-eyed, characters boasting about their evil plots.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw on July 28, 2014, 2:04 am

        @Shingo

        “How are you supposed to gather evidence?”

        What evidence would you expect to find in the home of a kidnapper? Videos?

        Please

    • just
      just on July 26, 2014, 10:20 am

      Delusional.

      Jackdaw, you are the one reveling in your Zioecho chamber… billions around the world know the truth.

    • talknic
      talknic on July 26, 2014, 10:52 am

      @ Jackdaw “The Palestinians did start it and everyone outside your echo chamber know it”

      How did the Palestinians start it? Mmmmm? Did they ask the Zionist Federation to decide to colonize Palestine circa 1897? WOW! That’s amazing!

      • Janet Jupiter
        Janet Jupiter on July 26, 2014, 4:26 pm

        Dear Talknic, you do not accept Israel’s right to exist which is counter to solving any problems. Israel is here and not going anywhere. Let’s work from that concept and perhaps we can get somewhere

      • kalithea
        kalithea on July 26, 2014, 10:34 pm

        And Israel doesn’t accept Palestine’s right to exist ergo the repeated genocidal massacres; the inhumane blockade meant to punish an emerging generation of Palestinians; and the weekly target practice on the West Bank by the IDF to fill the kill quota. There’s no concept from which Zionism can go somewhere. Zionism was dead in the water from its inception. The only thing keeping Zionism alive are war crimes and crimes against humanity on the Palestinian population.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 27, 2014, 1:02 am

        Actually Janet,

        Let’s start with the occupation, which gas nothing to so with Israel’s existence , and perhaps we can get somewhere.

      • Janet Jupiter
        Janet Jupiter on July 27, 2014, 11:57 am

        Yes, let’s, discuss from here. I believe you are suggesting that ending the occupation is the basis for settlement between the two sides. No more pRoR as that is a non-starter. Compensation? Yes. Aid for integration into host countries? Yes. Now we far getting somewhere

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 27, 2014, 8:18 pm

        No more pRoR as that is a non-starter.

        It’s not up to you Janet. Let’s stick to the law, not just what Israel agrees to . After all, Iseael likely will not agree Tia over any withdrawal, giving up settlements, giving up East Jerusalem, or the Jordan Valley. It is because we ‘be been limited by Israel’s non starters that we are where we are today.

        So before we start getting anywhere, we need to ask how we are going to force Israel to comply with international law.

      • Citizen
        Citizen on July 27, 2014, 3:12 am

        Dear Janet Jupiter,
        I accept the right of the Palestinians to defend themselves from Israel’s incremental genocide. Let’s all work from that concept and perhaps we can get somewhere. Let’s talk about actual existential rights. We all know Israel has a nuclear arms arsenal which is not subject to any inspection and we all know about the Samson Option and how Israel lives off the USA. 8 0f 10 Iron dome sites were paid for by American taxpayers, many of whom are on food stamps and can’t pay their utility bills anymore.

      • Janet Jupiter
        Janet Jupiter on July 27, 2014, 7:10 pm

        Citizen,
        You would be of much more help to Gazans if you educated them about the unrealistic pRoR and to accept Israel as a reality. You know that the only reason the they did accept the Egyptian cease fire agreement was that it would require them to accept 1967 Israel.

      • Janet Jupiter
        Janet Jupiter on July 27, 2014, 11:02 pm

        Shingo,
        There is no law that allows,refugee status to be inherited. In fact, every custom is against that. You picked the wrong argument bud.

      • RoHa
        RoHa on July 27, 2014, 7:27 am

        I know that “Israel has a right to exist” has become a standard slogan, but I’m going to take it seriously for a moment, and try to work out what it could mean.

        Israel is a state, and a state is an administrative arrangement for a territory. An administrative arrangement does not, at first blush, seem to be the sort of thing that can have rights. That leads me to think that the slogan means “it would be morally wrong for that arrangement to cease”. But if we could replace that arrangement with a morally superior one, surely it would right for that arrangement to cease. Is there no possible morally superior arrangement to Israel?

        An alternative possibility is that the right is actually the (collective) right of the citizens to maintain the arrangement. But there can only be a moral right to do something if it is not morally wrong, and it not difficult to show that in the case of Israel the arrangement is morally wrong.

        So I cannot see that “Israel has a right to exist” can be true.

      • Janet Jupiter
        Janet Jupiter on July 27, 2014, 4:41 pm

        Your definition of a state supersedes that of the UN. How many existing states could be made more moral by tweaking things (what you call administrative agreement) are there more than 10% that would pass your test? You would need to drastically change or eliminate the places where 99% of the population lives. Most nations would not take kindly to that. You would have a lot of violence on your hands.

        Why not take what we have and find accommodations?

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 27, 2014, 8:05 pm

        Why not take what we have and find accommodations?

        What accommodations do you have in mind? Open air prisons under siege and showers of white phosphorous?

      • eljay
        eljay on July 27, 2014, 9:05 am

        >> Janet Jupiter: Dear Talknic, you do not accept Israel’s right to exist which is counter to solving any problems. Israel is here and not going anywhere. Let’s work from that concept and perhaps we can get somewhere

        The problem is not that Israel exists, it’s that it exists as:
        – an oppressive and supremacist “Jewish State”, born of Jewish terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands;
        – a colonialist and expansionist state that has been stealing, occupying and colonizing land outside of its / Partition borders for over 60 years; and
        – an intransigent state that refuses…
        i) to end its 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder;
        ii) to honour its obligations under international law; and
        iii) to accept responsibility and accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; and
        iv) to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually beneficial peace.

        Let’s work from that concept and perhaps we can finally get to justice, accountability and equality.

      • RoHa
        RoHa on July 27, 2014, 7:24 pm

        Certainly a lot of states are less than morally optimal. Certainly a lot of governments would not take kindly to the necessary improvements. But none of this gives those states, or Israel, the right to exist.

        “Why not take what we have and find accommodations?”

        And eljay has outlined where we could start. Our aim should include equal rights for all people (not “peoples”) in all Palestine. But Israel refuses to even contemplate such an accommodation.

    • Don
      Don on July 26, 2014, 11:38 am

      As for who started it…as the “heavily data supported” article below demonstrates, historically, it is almost ALWAYS Israel that initiates the violation of ceasefires…and they do so by killing Palestinians.

      Nearly 100% of the time it is Israel that first breaks a ceasefire.

      While this article is from 2009…it is so much like now…it might as well be now.

      Reigniting Violence – How Do Ceasefires End
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-kanwisher/reigniting-violence-how-d_b_155611.html

    • on July 26, 2014, 12:29 pm

      Yes. They started it be being native to the land the Ashkenazis decided to claim as their own.

      • Janet Jupiter
        Janet Jupiter on July 27, 2014, 11:59 am

        You realize that Ashkenazim are not a majority of Israeli citizens but a very small minority of people worldwide who believe that the Jews have a right to nationhood. Your comment sets the discussion back centuries.

      • annie
        annie on July 27, 2014, 2:19 pm

        You realize that Ashkenazim are …. people worldwide who believe.. Jews have a right to nationhood.

        lol, you crack me up! #Fail

      • Janet Jupiter
        Janet Jupiter on July 27, 2014, 4:43 pm

        Do we agree that of all the Zionists on the planet, Ashkenazim are in the minority? Do count the Pope. And there are lots of people influenced by him.

    • Egbert
      Egbert on July 26, 2014, 1:06 pm

      It turns out that Hamas didn’t kidnap and kill the 3 Israeli teens after all. Israel’s response: ‘ The lawn needed mowing anyway’.

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on July 26, 2014, 1:12 pm

      The lies are beginning to unravel. The false accusations of Hamas being guilty of killing those three kids, are now revealed, and it seems Hamas was right, and the Israeli government that knew the boys were already dead from day one, look like violent, brutal, occupiers, that lie to slaughter, destroy and injure powerless people.
      The fact that you think a lunatic like Rivers is right, simply shows your ignorance.
      http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html

    • kalithea
      kalithea on July 26, 2014, 10:45 pm

      Speaking of echo chamber…Israel is the largest delusional echo chamber on the planet. Ask anyone; except a Zionist.

  9. just
    just on July 26, 2014, 10:16 am

    Gideon Levy on Thursday:

    “The chart doesn’t lie: “Protective Edge” is “Cast Lead 2,” and it will overcome its predecessor in the amount of horrors. The chart wasn’t printed in Israel, nor will it be. There’s no place for it. We’re at war. Hamas is guilty of their deaths. Israel Air Force pilots did not mean to kill them.

    But don’t fear: if the chart were to be published, it would be received with unfeeling, or even, it’s hard to believe, outright joy, by the brainwashed public in this country. “Even Hitler was a child,” reads graffiti currently sprayed near the entrance to Netivot.

    The website “Walla!” published talkback comments on an article about the four children killed on the Gaza beach. Shani Moyal: “I couldn’t care less that Arab children were killed, too bad it wasn’t more. Well done to the IDF.” Stav Sabah: “Really, these are great pictures. They make me so happy, I want to look at them again and again.” Sharon Avishi: “Only four? Too bad. We hoped for more.” Daniela Turgeman: “Great. We need to kill all the children.” Chaya Hatnovich: “There isn’t a more beautiful picture than those of dead Arab children.” Orna Peretz: “Why only four?” Rachel Cohen: “I’m not for children dying in Gaza. I’m for everyone burning.” Tami Mashan: “As many children as possible should die.”

    From their names and accompanying pictures, all the commenters are women. They shop in the stores near your homes, they go to the same movies and vacation spots as you. They’re Israeli. No one would think of firing them from their jobs, like they are doing now to Arabs and left-wingers. No one will condemn them, no one will attack or threaten them. They’re normal, according to the Israeli norms at least, where compassion for the other side is considered treason, and beastly criticism is considered patriotism.

    But why blame the talkback ladies? Listen to the remarks of generals, politicians and analysts, as they all speak the same words, ever so sweetly. ”

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.606848

    Israeli women. Where did they put their soul? Joan, where is yours? Did she trade her soul for her latest face?

    I just saw a reporter (Ian) on CNN saying that he saw a crater 10 ft deep on the side of the road– these 500 lb bombs that Israel is dropping do that… He also said that they were told to get out of the area by presumably Hamas fighters b/c the ‘ceasefire’ is about to end in ca 3hrs and they don’t want anyone to be hurt… ‘human shields’ my a$$.

    • just
      just on July 26, 2014, 10:34 am

      thanks to seafoid who shared the “Walla!” talkback comments here first.

  10. aiman
    aiman on July 26, 2014, 10:38 am

    Rivers should go snort ziocaine in her bubble bath and suffer her own fumes. Her fellow Zionists are dropping bombs and killing kids all over Gaza. Apparently Mel Gibson must be punished for an anti-Semitic rant while Rivers must sashay like a queen after defending genocide.

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on July 26, 2014, 1:14 pm

      Good point. It is turning out those who criticized Israel, including Helen Thomas were right. The zionists are the most ruthless and dangerous human animals, in our lifetime.

      • Janet Jupiter
        Janet Jupiter on July 27, 2014, 12:00 pm

        Are you toe really equating what Mr Gibson and Ms Rivers said? Surely you see the flaws in that analogy.

  11. bilal a
    bilal a on July 26, 2014, 10:43 am

    She is but one of the beloved celebrities in the media-entertainment community that has publicly justified child murder and ethno-gynocide , and without rebuke from the community as a whole.

    makes you wonder what they really say behind closed doors.

    • Citizen
      Citizen on July 27, 2014, 3:30 am

      @ bilal a
      They say what Kirk Douglas said late in his life, i.e., that for his entire life in America he never trusted the Goys. Poor boychck, he has such a hard life in 98% Goy America.

  12. Sycamores
    Sycamores on July 26, 2014, 10:46 am

    Ian Pannel harrowing tweet with the image of the baby is really upsetting. Joan Rivers should see this picture before her next rant but she won’t because it’s not even mention on the BBC piece.

    in the Chris Morris video he said:

    “take it [recovered belongings] to a safer place in Gaza if such a safer place exist.”

    is the BBC recognizing there’s no safe place in Gaza?

    • Citizen
      Citizen on July 27, 2014, 3:39 am

      I don’t think the BBC even knows there’s a gigantic IDF enforced no-go (“buffer”) zone covering nearly half of Gaza, so there really is no place for the squished residents to escape to.

  13. talknic
    talknic on July 26, 2014, 10:46 am

    “If New Jersey were firing rockets into New York, we would wipe them out”

    Uh huh. But why would New Jersey be firing rockets at New York?

    New York isn’t illegally acquiring territory in New Jersey by war. New York hasn’t illegally annexed parts of New Jersey. New Yorkers aren’t illegally settling in New Jersey. New Yorkers aren’t dispossessing folk from New Jersey.

    I O W New Jersey has no reason to resist aggression from New York becaue there ain’t any.

    Whereas Israel has for 66 years been illegally acquiring Palestinian territory by war. Illegally annexing, illegally settling.

    Ms Rivers analogy is STUPID!!!

    • MHughes976
      MHughes976 on July 26, 2014, 12:10 pm

      We can tell ourselves stories about the 27th century in which NJ and NY – or Berkshire and Hampshire – have fallen into the hands of rival governments or factions while maintaining a civilisation still somewhat like ours. I would hope, should that happen, that the arrival of a few rockets based in Hampshire would in fact not lead Berkshire people, remembering their traditions, to slaughter every man, woman and child all the way to Southampton. I have to hope that they would respond in a more proportionate way.
      Some people have been saying that the law of proportionality – also called the law of retaliation – makes no sense, in which case important passages of the Bible make no sense either. But I think it makes complete sense to sense to say that we should not be responsible for raising the levels of non-combatant casualties to a markedly higher level than they have so far reached.

    • kalithea
      kalithea on July 26, 2014, 10:24 pm

      Delete “analogy” please.

  14. eGuard
    eGuard on July 26, 2014, 11:16 am

    Selena Gomez?

  15. joer
    joer on July 26, 2014, 11:37 am

    I wish there was some way to take all those facelifts and skin stretches that she had done and turn them into responsible reconstructive surgery for the Palestinian children that were disfigured in this latest massacre. It would probably be enough surgery to fix half the Gaza Strip.

  16. Pixel
    Pixel on July 26, 2014, 11:38 am

    .
    Actually, things are a changin’ – BIG time.

    Only a couple of years ago, all she would have done was sneerly spit out “anti-semite” and/or “self-hating Jew” and walk on.

  17. Marnie
    Marnie on July 26, 2014, 1:14 pm

    She has a right to her opinion but since it’s only based on sound bites from hasbara central it only makes her sound like a cold-blooded hag.

  18. W.Jones
    W.Jones on July 26, 2014, 3:26 pm

    and she agrees with me that the mainstream media are showing more sympathy this time to the Palestinian view of things… ~Phil
    This is debateable.
    The NYT can report on both Israeli and Gazan rockets and casualties and present “both sides” of the story equally. Yet some will say that it’s biased coverage because it doesn’t represent their views as the only correct one. They would prefer for the news to sound like YNET, after which they would triumphally say that the news was “good”.

  19. Keith
    Keith on July 26, 2014, 4:21 pm

    It is easy to believe what is convenient to believe, and self-deception is the rule not the exception. Political theory makes reference to the rational political man, and economic theory makes reference to the rational economic man. As such, both are inevitably wrong about much of political economy. I define something as rational if it is consistent with empirical reality, and logical if it is consistent with relevant assumptions/ideology. They are not the same thing. If there is a conflict between the two, depending upon the strength of the bias, most folks will defend group mythology against unpleasant facts. I refer to this as the logic of irrationality. No amount of rational argument will change Joan Rivers’ opinion regarding Israel and the Palestinians.

    • Citizen
      Citizen on July 27, 2014, 3:44 am

      @ Keith
      Yes, that’s why the USA is the only Western country where the majority still practice routine baby boy circumcision.

  20. In2u
    In2u on July 26, 2014, 5:15 pm

    Is this what we in the UK call bimbo?

  21. ThorsteinVeblen2012
    ThorsteinVeblen2012 on July 26, 2014, 6:37 pm

    How many missiles from Jersey would warrant the annihilation of the entire population Joan? 10, 20?

    Does she want all of them killed or should any be saved?

    To people like Joan Rivers we are all Palestinians.

    • Citizen
      Citizen on July 27, 2014, 3:45 am

      “To people like Joan Rivers we are all Palestinians.”

      Yes

    • Citizen
      Citizen on July 27, 2014, 3:52 am

      “To people like Joan Rivers we are all Palestinians.”

      Yes. Ms Molinsky is age 81. She’s made a wealthy celebrity host career out of insulting people in public, especially other celebrities, including herself. You can bet she’s watching the response to what she said about the situation in Gaza. She will say more, so stay tuned.

      • seafoid
        seafoid on July 27, 2014, 4:41 am

        Joan Rivers is showbiz and that roast of her was hilarious but I wouldn’t mistake her for Brzezinski

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew on July 27, 2014, 8:07 am

        Citizen- Sometimes people here claim that they refer to Israelis by their names before they were exchanged for Hebrew names because they object to Zionism and the name changes were part of Zionism. But referring to Joan Rivers by her name before she adopted her stage name is pure Father Coughlin (and exactly what I would expect from you.)

      • Janet Jupiter
        Janet Jupiter on July 27, 2014, 7:04 pm

        Citizen, it seems to me by your snark that you no not like Jewish people

      • Taxi
        Taxi on July 28, 2014, 9:25 am

        Janet,

        What a freaking pompous smartypants you are, swanning in here with your nose up to the ceiling for the stink of goyim – I’ll have you know that Citizen is married to a jewish lady and so therefore his children are…. yeah, you guessed it: JEWISH!

        Take your hateful presumptions and your obscene obsession with antisemitism and shove it! You don’t know sh*t except to defend the wholesale slaughter of CHILDREN, the mass murder of unarmed civilians including the sick and the infirm! You’re enjoying your genocide – this much is clear – but you’re upset that others don’t share your craven racism and infatuation with jewish ethno-supremacy! STFU already you hasbara buffoon! You wanna PARSE the freaking OCCUPATION? You’ll be parsed yourself around here till your eyelashes fall off from exhaustion – and you WILL BE proved wrong at every single turn, loser!

        PALESTINIANS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES!

        Let us start with this standard, basic human right, shall we?

  22. Hostage
    Hostage on July 26, 2014, 8:29 pm

    Rivers: If New Jersey were firing rockets into New York, we would wipe them out.

    If New York had occupied New Jersey for 60 years, much less tried to “wipe them out”, “they’d” be firing bigger things than a few Qassams in Joan Rivers direction.

    • Taxi
      Taxi on July 27, 2014, 12:05 am

      Yay! Big H is back! (We are not worthy we are not worthy!)

      • RoHa
        RoHa on July 27, 2014, 7:26 pm

        And not a moment too soon.

    • straightline
      straightline on July 27, 2014, 1:26 am

      Hostage, you’re back!
      Mondoweiss has just gotten a lot better!
      Mooser and Hostage – the team is back to full strength.
      Hasbarats beware!

      • philweiss
        philweiss on July 27, 2014, 10:23 am

        Amen

      • Janet Jupiter
        Janet Jupiter on July 27, 2014, 7:05 pm

        Are they your allstars?
        That’s the best you can produce?

  23. Helena Cobban
    Helena Cobban on July 26, 2014, 9:21 pm

    Hey, shouldn’t we tell Ms. Rivers there already *are* tunnels between NJ and NY? She should definitely call out the NY National Guard right now!

  24. kalithea
    kalithea on July 26, 2014, 10:19 pm

    TMZ headline is cool?

    How does this TMZ headline grab you?

    Selena Gomez: PRO-HUMANITY OR PRO-HAMAS?…

    http://www.tmz.com/2014/07/19/selena-gomez-gaza-instsagram-israel/

    When are you going to learn that Zionists can’t be trusted to feel genuine empathy with Palestinians?

    I’m surprised at how gullible some of you are.

    Here’s an enlightening headline for y’all:

    I’m a lawyer…or I’m a Zionist lawyer. We Don’t Know…Does He?

  25. Shingo
    Shingo on July 27, 2014, 1:21 am

    I smell a rat.

    Rivers, Dermer and Oren are making Israel look so bad, I can ‘to help wondering if they are double agents working for Hamas. Hamas could not have hoped for better press.

    Seriously, it ‘a gotten to the point where they are opening their mouths to change feet.

    Maybe they can get cast in the sequel to Liar Liar.

  26. Taxi
    Taxi on July 27, 2014, 2:10 pm

    Even Monty Python’s Parrot is more alive than joan rivers is – dead parrot is funnier too and by far better looking, let’s face it:

  27. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870 on July 27, 2014, 3:44 pm

    RE: “You’re all insane. They [Palestinians] started it. What are you all saying? They started it. The Israelis did not throw their– for months this has been going on.” ~ Joan Rivers

    MY COMMENT: Joan Rivers obviously spends far, far too much time at her cosmetic/plastic surgeon’s to be informed/knowledgeable as to Israel-Palestine.
    Speaking of plastic, I wonder if Rivers still has any of her original (natural) parts. I suspect she’s nearly 100% synthetic by now.

  28. wondering jew
    wondering jew on July 28, 2014, 12:08 am

    The media are an essential player in this war. Pan Arab solidarity does not exist vis a vis the governments, but the people who watch this on t.v. are rooting for Hamas. Hamas’s resistance is aimed at people watching their t.v.’s in Amman, Paris and Ramallah. The logic of: stop firing rockets, because if you fire a rocket we will kill hundreds, is a brute logic, but it is a logic that would quite probably work, except for the presence of the media and people watching on t.v.

    (There are widening circles of context that might mitigate against the logic of not firing rockets. The siege, 47 years of occupation, the collapse of the Kerry peace talks, the reaction of Israel to “reconciliation”, the inner power struggle by those who do not favor “reconciliation”, two thirds the population being refugees from 48, the fall of the MB in Egypt due to a coup, the loss of neighborhood patronage with the civil war in Syria, all might push the equation of “logic” in a different direction, but the role of media in this war is an essential factor.)

  29. Pixel
    Pixel on July 28, 2014, 2:23 am

    .
    TWITTER: 7:31 AM – 27 Jul 2014

    MJ (Mike) Rosenberg ‏@MJayRosenberg

    FLASH! Jackie Mason has joined Joan Rivers in “Racists Over 80 Who Support Gaza Slaughter.” Any prominent Jews under 40?

  30. Pixel
    Pixel on July 28, 2014, 2:41 am

    .
    TWITTER: 11:01 AM – 26 Jul 2014
    Jackson ‏@jackson_wally Jul 26

    @MJayRosenberg Israel has the obnoxiously rude Rivers, while Palestinians have the support of great men such as Mandela & Gandhi.

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