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Rudoren, from her facebook page, exploring a tunnel in Gaza. 

On July 20, Gideon Levy of Haaretz—if current trends continue, Levy may be the last sane man in Israel—published an op-ed entitled “What Does Hamas Really Want?” He wrote:

“Last week 10 conditions were published in the name of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, for a 10-year cease-fire. Hamas and Islamic Jihad demand freedom for Gaza. Is there a more understandable and just demand? Read the list of demands and judge honestly whether there is one unjust demand among them: withdrawal of Israel Defense Forces troops and allowing farmers to work their land up to the fence; release of all prisoners from the Gilad Shalit swap who have been rearrested; an end to the siege and opening of the crossings; opening of a port and airport under UN management; expansion of the fishing zone; international supervision of the Rafah crossing; an Israeli pledge to a 10-year cease-fire and closure of Gaza’s air space to Israeli aircraft; permits to Gaza residents to visit Jerusalem and pray at the Al-Aqsa mosque; and an Israeli pledge not to interfere in internal Palestinian politics such as the unity government; opening Gaza’s industrial zone.”

In the second lead story on the front page of this morning’s New York Times, “Israel Kills 3 Top Hamas Leaders As the Latest Fighting Turns Its Way,” Jodi Rudoren begins:

“Hamas is the party that keeps extending this summer’s bloody battle in the Gaza Strip, repeatedly breaking temporary truces and vowing to endlessly fire rockets into Israel until its demands are met. But the latest round of fighting appears to have given Israel the upper hand in a conflict that has already outlasted all expectations and is increasingly becoming a war of attrition.”

Rudoren then interviews three prominent former Israeli officials, beginning with Michael Oren, a shameless propagandist for Netanyahu, an “historian” whose writing and public statements are invariably thoroughly disingenuous. Rudoren quotes him:

“There’s a longstanding conventional wisdom that Israel doesn’t do well in wars of attrition,” said Michael B. Oren, an Israeli historian and a former ambassador to the United States. “That overlooks a broader historical view that Israel’s entire existence has been a war of attrition, and we’ve won that war.”

Later in the story Rudoren interviews two other pillars of the Israeli military and intelligence establishment:

“These [the assassinated Hamas leaders] are senior people,” said Michael Herzog, a retired Israeli brigadier general and fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “People in Gaza know exactly who they are, people in Israel know exactly who they are. In our bilateral context, it resonates strongly.”…

Amos Yadlin, a former Israeli chief of military intelligence [said]….”We’re now going to a war of attrition that was a threat of Hamas. Israel basically turned it upside down and said, ‘You want attrition? You are welcome. …Our firepower and our intelligence and our capability to sustain more days is much bigger than yours.’ This is the strategy.”

“There are growing calls for a more aggressive ground invasion,” Rudoren continues, “which Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has resisted, and intense opposition to the idea of making concessions in a cease-fire agreement that might seem to reward Hamas.”

Rudoren apparently did not interview any Israeli opponents of “Operation Protective Edge.”

…….

I have tried to imagine how Jodi Rudoren would have covered the French Resistance attacks on the Nazi German occupiers of Paris in June 1940. I’m assuming that after France surrendered and Paris was occupied, the primary reason that there wasn’t a “peace,” of sorts, is that the Resistance didn’t give up, “demanding” the end of the occupation.

So, in my imagined past, this is how Rudoren might have covered the ongoing battle in a lead New York Times news story dated August 22, 1940:

“Germany Kills 3 Top Resistance Leaders As the Latest Fighting Turns Its Way.”

The story begins:

The Resistance is the party that keeps extending this summer’s bloody battle in Paris, repeatedly breaking temporary truces and vowing to endlessly attack Nazi Germany until its demands are met. But the latest round of fighting appears to have given Germany the upper hand in a conflict that has already outlasted all expectations and is increasingly becoming a war of attrition.

“There’s a longstanding conventional wisdom that Germany doesn’t do well in wars of attrition,” said Joachim von Ribbentrop, the Foreign Minister of Germany. “That overlooks a broader historical view that Germany’s entire existence has been a war of attrition, and we’ve won that war.”

“These [Jean Moulin and other Resistance leaders killed by Germany] are senior people,” said Alfred Yodl, a leading German general: “People in France know exactly who they are, people in Germany know exactly who they are. In our bilateral context, it resonates strongly.”

Reinhard Heydrich, a high official in German military intelligence said….”We’re now going to a war of attrition that was a threat of the Resistance: Germany basically turned it upside down and said, ‘You want attrition? You are welcome. …Our firepower and our intelligence and our capability to sustain more days is much bigger than yours.’ This is the strategy.”

There are growing calls for a more aggressive ground invasion, which Chancellor Adolph Hitler has resisted, and intense opposition to the idea of making concessions in a cease-fire agreement that might seem to reward the Resistance.

 ……

Stepping back into the present:  For many years I have resisted drawing parallels between Nazi Germany’s occupation and repression of European countries and Israel’s occupation and repression of the Palestinians.  Lately, however, more and more Israeli and American critics (for example, Henry Siegman) have started to do so; and it is likely that such comparisons will increasingly be made. It ought to be blindingly obvious that anyone calling attention to some parallels are hardly suggesting that Israel is equivalent to Nazi Germany–only idiots would think that.

So, to make the obvious explicit, Israel is not Nazi Germany, and murder is not genocide.  What a relief! That there should be any parallels between the Israeli and German occupations, however, is staggering, and proof of the moral collapse of Israel.

This post first appeared today on Jerome Slater’s site. 

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About Jerome Slater

Jerome Slater is a professor (emeritus) of political science and now a University Research Scholar at the State University of New York at Buffalo. He has taught and written about U.S. foreign policy and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict for nearly 50 years, both for professional journals (such as International Security, Security Studies, and Political Science Quarterly) and for many general periodicals. He writes foreign policy columns for the Sunday Viewpoints section of the Buffalo News. And his website it www.jeromeslater.com.

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  1. globalconsciousness
    globalconsciousness on August 22, 2014, 3:32 pm

    ““Hamas is the party that keeps extending this summer’s bloody battle in the Gaza Strip, repeatedly breaking temporary truces and vowing to endlessly fire rockets into Israel until its demands are met. But the latest round of fighting appears to have given Israel the upper hand in a conflict that has already outlasted all expectations and is increasingly becoming a war of attrition.” by Jodi Roduren

    I read the opening paragraph and had to go puke… another gleeful warmonger journalist writing for the NYT.
    How and when did American media become just so poor and shameful?

    • Karl Dubhe
      Karl Dubhe on August 22, 2014, 4:40 pm

      You’ve read about Hearst, right? :) Anything about the Spanish-American war, of course, that’s just the modern era. I think some of their journalists were even worse in the 1700s.

      We’d all do better to read the NYT as the old Soviets used to read Pravda and Izvestia. Once properly read, the story is again clearish. Hmmm, maybe vodka would help too. :)

  2. Mooser
    Mooser on August 22, 2014, 3:51 pm

    “That there should be any parallels between the Israeli and German occupations, however, is staggering, and proof of the moral collapse of Israel.”

    How far they have fallen from the original high morality of the Nakba. Tragic.

    • Jerome Slater
      Jerome Slater on August 22, 2014, 5:01 pm

      Fair enough, Mooser. However, I don’t share your implied conclusion that there was never any morally legitimate basis for Zionism or the creation of Israel. Obviously any argument that does not reach that conclusion has to confront the reality of the Nakba. Not easy; I’ve done my best here: http://www.jeromeslater.com/2014/03/reflections-on-john-judiss-genesis-and.html

      • seafoid
        seafoid on August 22, 2014, 5:36 pm

        If it was morally legitimate one would have expected Israel to cauterize open wounds – compensate the refugees, tie up the legal work, at least leave them with something instead of hanging in the wind. But Zionism could never do decency which is why the question remains open and 1948 is never finished. Gaza is another flare up of 1948.

        And Israel now is hardly going to make it. The notion that European Jews suffering from “anti-Semitism” will shut up shop and move to the Jewish moral latrine on the Med to feel safe is laughable.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on August 22, 2014, 6:04 pm

        “If it was morally legitimate one would have expected Israel to cauterize open wounds”

        Seafoid, if you’ve got ‘moral legitimacy’ just a quick half-apology should be all that’s necessary, and don’t forget all the praise due for making that half-apology.
        But an accounting, restitution reparations? Israel can’t afford that, never could. Maybe that’s why they need so much moral legitimacy.

      • gamal
        gamal on August 23, 2014, 6:22 am

        I think I get it, white and Jewish people used to be more important than natives, but now due to our moral evolution that is no longer the case, as Palestinians have recently become human.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on August 22, 2014, 6:27 pm

        If it was morally legitimate one would have expected Israel…”

        The funny part is, the arguments for Zionism’s “moral legitimacy” can be demolished by the way Zionism treats the Jews to start with, before we even get to the Palestinians. Zionism’s moral (not to mention religious) legitimacy was in shreds before it even got to Palestine.

        But what I can’t figure out is why, why the great need to always stick in the proviso that the Zionists fell from some moral peak they once surmounted? What is that all about? Why is it necessary?

      • LeaNder
        LeaNder on August 23, 2014, 9:32 am

        The funny part is, the arguments for Zionism’s “moral legitimacy” can be demolished by the way Zionism treats the Jews to start with, before we even get to the Palestinians.

        Moose, I understand your reponse. If once you try to be nice and all. ;)

        Strictly without following Jerome’s link, it would be a highly enormous task to disintangle the distinction between the indidual and the self and other defined collective over the centuries. Or what impact the definitions of others or the ideologies (solutions offered to pick and choose) have on us.

        I noticed an encounter here recently between the ideological factions: each side offered Yeshayahu Leibowitz as spokesperson for his camp.

        To what extend is the individual shaped by the context of time. How free was Leibowitz to choose? Would he have gone to Israel in 1934 after finishing his PhD in Basel without the Nazis in power in Germany? I have no idea, but I wondered if either of them knows. I somewhat doubt.

        Phil once wrote one of his meditative essays, asking himself who he had been or what he had done. had he been born into another time or place. I loved it a lot.

        I agree with you. Israel wouldn’t have been able to compensate Palestinians. What seafoid surely doesn’t know is, what he would have done, had he been showered beneath a huge wave of sympathy and financial support once due to something that happened to his community or family. Had he denied to accept it and demanded: Let’s better look back and see how we can prevent it happens again?

        The collective may shape us one way or another, but the individual has to decide. And mostly she decides based on the mythical proverbial wisdom: Don’t look back. I hated it when my mother told me not to.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on August 22, 2014, 5:50 pm

        “was never any morally legitimate basis for Zionism”

        Oh, you’re a clever one, Jerome. I have no freaking idea if there is or isn’t any “morally legitimate basis for Zionism” I didn’t have any “implied conclusion”, you just stuck that in as a derailer.
        And even if there was a “morally legitimate basis” (and that and $5 will get you a fancy latte at any Starbucks) it sure didn’t seem to have any effect on how it was actually done.

        “Not easy; I’ve done my best here: “
        And I’m sure you always will. Our “morally legitimate basis” trumps Palestinian lives is going to be a hard sell

      • Keith
        Keith on August 22, 2014, 7:07 pm

        MOOSER- “And even if there was a “morally legitimate basis” (and that and $5 will get you a fancy latte at any Starbucks) it sure didn’t seem to have any effect on how it was actually done.”

        That is exactly correct. No amount of clever words or moral posturing can justify the actual facts on the ground. All movements proclaim high ideals and moral grounding, however, all need to be judged on their actions, their self-serving PR of little import except as a measure of group hypocrisy. Anyone familiar with “Zionism in the Age of Dictators” or the current Zionist support for Ukrainian neo-Nazis or Israel’s ongoing war against the Palestinians, etc., knows all they need to know about Zionism’s moral basis.

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak on August 22, 2014, 11:53 pm

        Keith:

        All movements proclaim high ideals and moral grounding, however, all need to be judged on their actions…

        True, the “actually existing” movements need to be judged on their actions, but their ideals and ideologies need to be judged on their own terms, imo.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on August 23, 2014, 1:43 am

        “No amount of clever words or moral posturing can justify the actual facts on the ground.”

        I know that, but then again, I haven’t been a military officer, so I may be backwards on morality. Anyway, what I’d like to know is why he feels compelled to make with the clever words or moral posturing? So that he always has a way back, when Zionism meets his high moral standards?
        Or is opposed by somebody who has less moral legitimacy! Certainly, if that happens, wouldn’t it be right to defend Zionism from its moral inferiors?

      • Keith
        Keith on August 23, 2014, 11:46 am

        SIBIRIAK- “True, the “actually existing” movements need to be judged on their actions, but their ideals and ideologies need to be judged on their own terms, imo.”

        How exactly does one evaluate a movement’s “ideals and ideologies” except by observing their actions? Or are you suggesting that words speak louder than actions? That their self-proclaimed “ideals and ideologies” represent reality, their dirty deeds merely a deviation from their real selves? Any honest evaluation of Zionism from day one would indicate that Zionists were quite at home among imperialists and anti-Semites if they thought that it would further their Zionist goals. Group “ideals and ideologies” which are at odds with group actions should be viewed as deceptions which misrepresent actual group goals and unspoken “ideals and ideologies.” Actual group ideology must be inferred from group actions.

      • Philemon
        Philemon on August 23, 2014, 6:31 pm

        “What seafoid surely doesn’t know is, what he would have done, had he been showered beneath a huge wave of sympathy and financial support once due to something that happened to his community or family. Had he denied to accept it and demanded: Let’s better look back and see how we can prevent it happens again?”

        LeaNder, I can’t speak for Mooser or seafoid, but I’m not sure what on earth you mean by what you wrote above. Especially in response to Mooser’s comment that “[t]he funny part is, the arguments for Zionism’s ‘moral legitimacy’ can be demolished by the way Zionism treats the Jews to start with, before we even get to the Palestinians…”

        It seems as though you are suggesting that seafoid and Mooser might have been willing Naqba participants back then because all that sympathy and “financial support” (in the form of arms deals?) after WWII would have gone to their heads.

        Whereas, Mooser’s point was that Zionist leaders haven’t exactly been scrupulously honest or “nice” even to other Jews because most of those Zionists were little better than cranks, conmen, and gangsters. In point of fact, quite a lot of Jews and others didn’t and don’t have a high opinion of them.

        Personally, I’m of the opinion, based on what they’ve written, that both seafoid and Mooser would have looked those crooks in the eye and said, “Yeah, buddy, and what’s in it for you, and what precisely do you expect from me? Because if you mean what I think you mean, no deal! And I’m not gonna write anything nice about you either!”

      • eljay
        eljay on August 23, 2014, 12:48 am

        >> J.S.: However, I don’t share your implied conclusion that there was never any morally legitimate basis for Zionism or the creation of Israel.

        Dunno about Zionism, but there was never any morally legitimate basis for the creation of a “Jewish State” of Israel – a fundamentally religion-supremacist state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

        The solution to any injustices suffered by Jews – or by anyone, for that matter – was and remains justice and accountability.

      • LeaNder
        LeaNder on August 23, 2014, 9:51 am

        If you delete supremacist, eljay, which feels a bit too polemical, or maybe, if you prefer, unhistorical to me: I agree 100%.

        That said, I am highly interested in the precise roots of Zionism on the ground over here. In this context a 553 page long history of Zionism in Austria between 1882 and 1918 is waiting for me. So far only my partner has read it.

        Win dows and IT forensics keep me busy and there is no land in sight. In other words I am facing enormously steep learning curve including a rather high pile of books.

      • eljay
        eljay on August 23, 2014, 1:42 pm

        >> LeaNder: If you delete supremacist, eljay …

        Supremacism: the belief that a particular … [group] … is superior to others and entitles those who identify with it to dominate, control or rule those who do not.

        Israel was not conceived as a state of and for all people within or (up to n generations removed) from a geographic region. It was conceived, defined and implemented, and has been maintained and expanded, as a “Jewish State” – a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israelis who are also Jewish; a state that favours Jewish people over indigenous non-Jews.

        “Jewish” is, fundamentally, a religious construct: To be Jewish, one must be descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion, or one must undergo a religious conversion.

        The term “religion-supremacist” applies. I can’t delete it.

      • LeaNder
        LeaNder on August 23, 2014, 2:59 pm

        eljay,

        Dunno about Zionism, but there was never any morally legitimate basis for the creation of a “Jewish State” of Israel – a fundamentally religion-supremacist state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

        maybe we only differ on the necessary (underlying dynamics of the) complexity of the (ultimate) creation of the “Jewish State” in time and space. No doubt not without a seizing the moment component. But please give me the realistic profile of a community dealing with a similar history that would have been beyond the benefit of doubt at that point in time.

        “Jewish” is, fundamentally, a religious construct: To be Jewish, one must be descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion, or one must undergo a religious conversion.

        Look can we leave this out for now, it simply raises too many associative treads, not least a vaguely possible connection to race-baiters or race-card among a storm of other associations. … In a nutshell, history may not be as simple to grasp as MacDonald’s wants it to.

        I am a “cultural” Roman Catholic without the interest/need/desire to convert to any other creed including new ones. And strictly, if I think long and hard enough, I may well be obliged to “cultural Zionists” in this position.

      • MRW
        MRW on August 24, 2014, 5:27 am

        It ought to be blindingly obvious that anyone calling attention to some parallels are hardly suggesting that Israel is equivalent to Nazi Germany–only idiots would think that.

        So, to make the obvious explicit, Israel is not Nazi Germany, and murder is not genocide. What a relief!

        You forgot the /sarc notice.

  3. chocopie
    chocopie on August 22, 2014, 4:22 pm

    Glad to see the list of Gaza’s 10 demands. So straightforward, reasonable, and just. That’s why Netanyahoo has to rant and rave about Hamas being the same as ISIS. He wants to get this earworm out there (Hamas = ISIS) lest anybody get it in their head to find out the truth.

  4. seafoid
    seafoid on August 22, 2014, 4:26 pm

    “There’s a longstanding conventional wisdom that Israel doesn’t do well in wars of attrition,”

    $60m per day, can’t afford to compensate Jews in Southern Israel, economy slowing down

    Israel can’t afford much more. The government wouldn’t last- they are already all over the place

    And the PR damage is out of the park.
    They even lost MJ Rosenberg FFS.

    The notion that history is over and Israel has won- I don’t buy it
    It’s the longue duree that counts.

  5. seafoid
    seafoid on August 22, 2014, 4:28 pm

    Why do things we find beautiful undermine power?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yjhpp22ygs

    Things like rights for Palestinians

  6. Jim Holstun
    Jim Holstun on August 22, 2014, 4:35 pm

    Professor Slater, the key thing here is not that Jodi Rudoren and Binyamin Netanyahu are acting like Nazis, or almost Nazis, or something like Nazis, or whatever.

    The key thing is that they are acting like Zionists–even those Zionists you finally approve of who accomplished the Nakba. In other words, Jewish opinions and rights are of value; Palestinian opinions and rights are not consulted. And my right to your land is greater than your right to your land.

    Netanyahu is like Livni is like Olmert is like Barak is like Sharon is like Peres is like Rabin is like Meir is like Eshkol is like Sharrett, yea, unto the eighteenth generation, and the sainted Ben Gurion: they all believe their ethnonationalism gives them the right to expel Palestinians from their land.

    Enough with the Nazis already, and enough with the good cop/bad cop distraction of Netanyahu’s presumed falling off from the virtue of, say, the virtuous Butcher of Lydda, Yitzhak Rabin. It’s more than enough to say “Netanyahu is as bad as Ben Gurion!” That’s slur enough, and it’s also completely accurate.

    There is no “moral collapse” of Israel. In this, I agree completely with its current leadership.

    • just
      just on August 22, 2014, 5:39 pm

      What great points you make! Thanks Jim.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on August 22, 2014, 6:35 pm

        Oh, I just figured it out. I guess if Israel has had a moral collapse, moral reconstruction is always possible.

      • just
        just on August 22, 2014, 6:56 pm

        I don’t know if the world can/will wait– least of all, the Palestinian people.

        (is there a specialty in that field as there is in plastic surgery?)

        Zionism started out a mess and is now FUBAR.

      • Philemon
        Philemon on August 22, 2014, 8:16 pm

        It fits in with the fairy tale nature of Israel’s “everybody and his dog was persecuting us for 2000™ years so we deserve our turn to give us our ‘dignity'”, and “this is the way everybody else did it in the 19th century so anybody complaining about it must just be anti-semitic.”

        Not to mention the conviction Zionists all seem to have that if Palestinians had equal rights, Israeli Jews would be treated as badly or worse as they treat Palestinians now, so Israel is justified in its abuse.

        It’s a very strange mindset with a certain amount of self-fulfilling prophecy built in, a completely warped view of history, and some clear moral insanity. “If Jewish gangsters did it, it’s okay, but for anyone else, it’s a war-crime”…

      • Mooser
        Mooser on August 23, 2014, 12:59 am

        “If Jewish gangsters did it, it’s okay, but for anyone else, it’s a war-crime”…

        A href=”http://www.jeromeslater.com/2014/03/reflections-on-john-judiss-genesis-and.html”>He did his best. And I bet he did.

        Like I said, we don’t do failure, especially not moral failure, that’s for other people. Oh we might make a mistake, but moral failure? Not possible.

    • RoHa
      RoHa on August 23, 2014, 3:53 am

      Well said, Jim.

  7. seafoid
    seafoid on August 22, 2014, 4:37 pm

    It’s Time To Stop ‘Managing’ the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and Just End It

    http://prospect.org/article/its-time-stop-managing-israeli-palestinian-conflict-and-just-end-it

    • just
      just on August 22, 2014, 5:41 pm

      Agreed. End the charade and the industry.

      The Palestinian never had a “partner for peace”. Not ever.

    • American
      American on August 22, 2014, 7:10 pm

      Ditto.
      Just end it whatever it takes.
      The longer it goes on the worse the eventual end will be for everyone.

    • Mooser
      Mooser on August 23, 2014, 1:04 am

      Progress towards ending the depredations of Zionism (Israeli-Palestine “Conflict” my left foot, if you’ll excuse the language) will be very slow while we insist there’s a “legitimate moral basis” to Zionism.
      But, of course, anything else will mean admitting we made one hell of a mistake. And aren’t all that smart when you dangle a carrot in front of our faces. Why, we would have to admit we are just like anybody else.

  8. joemowrey
    joemowrey on August 22, 2014, 5:35 pm

    I’m keeping this article so I can refer to it the next time someone writes a piece here at Mondoweiss and suggests Rudoren “deserves credit” (or some such nonsense) when she accidentally lets some small item of truth about Israel slip through. This woman is a brazen propagandist, not to mention a disgusting human being. She should be put on trial for incitement against Palestinians.

    • Keith
      Keith on August 22, 2014, 7:27 pm

      JOEMOWREY- “This woman is a brazen propagandist….”

      You got that right. In today’s Seattle Times, under a headline which reads “Israel’s targeted bombings limit civilian casualties in Gaza,” Rudoren writes: “Hamas has repeatedly broken temporary truces in this summer’s Gaza Strip battles, vowing to fire rockets into Israel until its demands are met.”

      The reality is that Israel looks for pretexts to commit mass murder and destroy the infrastructure, and frequently manufactures pretexts if none are available. A quote and link to Global Research:

      “Former Israeli Attorney General Michael Ben Yair today admitted that the Israelis staged the alleged Hamas breach on Tuesday in order to assassinate Al Qassam leader Mohammed Deif.” (Gaza Ministry of Health)
      http://www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-false-pretences-for-renewal-of-gaza-offensive/5397133

      Uri Avnery makes the same essential point:

      “At about 16.00 hours, three rockets were fired at Beersheba and fell into open spaces. No warning sirens. Curiously enough, Hamas denied having launched them, and no other Palestinian organization took responsibility. This was strange. After every previous launching from Gaza, some Palestinian organization has always proudly claimed credit.”

      First it became known that an hour before the rockets came in, the Israeli population near Gaza was warned by the army to prepare their shelters and “safe spaces”.

      Then it appeared that the first Gaza building hit belonged to the family of a Hamas military commander. Three people were killed, among them a baby and his mother.
      For the Israeli Security Service, he is a prize for which it is well worth breaking the ceasefire and reigniting the war.” (Uri Avnery)
      http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/22/son-of-death/

  9. Atlantaiconoclast
    Atlantaiconoclast on August 22, 2014, 8:05 pm

    just another Zio-supremacist

  10. just
    just on August 22, 2014, 11:03 pm

    Ah, remember this from Tunnel Vision Jodi:

    “NYT’s Jerusalem bureau chief: ‘I come knowledgeable about the Jewish American or Jewish Israeli side of this beat’”

    and

    “while death and destruction is far more severe in Gaza than in Israel, it seems like Israelis are almost more traumatized. The Gazans have a deep culture of resistance and aspiration to martyrdom, they’re used to it from Cast Lead and other conflicts, and they have such limited lives than in many ways they have less to lose. Both sides seem intensely proud of their military “achievements” — Israel killing Jabari and taking out so many Fajr 5s, Hamas reaching TA and Jeru. And I’ve been surprised that when I talk to people who just lost a relative, or who are gathering belongings from a bombed-out house, they seem a bit ho-hum.”

    More rudeness here:

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/knowledgeable-american-israeli.html

    • MRW
      MRW on August 24, 2014, 5:30 am

      just says:
      August 22, 2014 at 11:03 pm

      Yeah. Justice Judy. Judge Jodi.

      The Catholic Church could have used her when they sought to convince the world that bitching about child abuse was anti-catholicism, attempting to delegitimize the Catholic Church.

  11. Qualtrough
    Qualtrough on August 22, 2014, 11:59 pm

    “There’s a longstanding conventional wisdom that Israel doesn’t do well in wars of attrition,” said Michael B. Oren, an Israeli historian and a former ambassador to the United States. “That overlooks a broader historical view that Israel’s entire existence has been a war of attrition, and we’ve won that war.”

    What a remarkably stupid thing for an educated person to say. Israel hasn’t won any war of attrition, it has won battles. And that reminds me of what an unknown North Vietnamese Colonel said to Col. Harry Summers after the latter told the Colonel, ‘You never defeated us in the field.” The Colonel’s reply: “That may be true, but it is also irrelevant.”

  12. kma
    kma on August 23, 2014, 3:26 am

    actually, Rudoren’s picture looks like she might be gathering children’s remains for dinner.

  13. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw on August 23, 2014, 9:20 am

    Professor Slater gave an analogy between certain acts the Nazis did in occupied France, in the occupied Czech Republic the resistance assassinated Reinhard Heydrich a very high Nazi official. The Nazis then massacred the village of Lidice as a reprisal, killing in total 340 men, woman and children. How many villages in Gaza have been destroyed? Lidice has gone down in history as one of the greatest war crimes, the Israelis crimes in Gaza are much greater.

  14. breakingthesilence
    breakingthesilence on August 23, 2014, 4:09 pm

    “Moral collapse”?? Israel of course never had “moral legitimacy” or any reigning morality that was not colonialist, exterminationist and racially supremacist. It is a Hitlerean state. The entire state of Israel rests on land stolen from the Palestinian people. Every inch of that land rightfully belongs to those Palestinian people from whom it was stolen (with US continual assistance.) It was stolen not just deliberately and brutally but as the result of decades of planning the Arab “transfer” by Chaim Weizmann, Ben Gurion, Golda Meir & the entire Jewish Agency Executive beginning in the 1920s. The ethnic cleansing of Palestine, still denied by almost all Zionists, and the theft of all those homes, farms, businesses, property, jewelry, bank accounts, villages, towns and cities is a crime worthy of the Nazis. And so too, of course, the ethnic cleansing. Israel’s racism from day one, its continuing attempt to make life so miserable for Palestinian citizens that they’ll leave, can surely be called Hitlerean in its savagery. No, there has been no moral collapse. Though it can certainly be argued that Zionism is the moral collapse of Judaism.

  15. eGuard
    eGuard on August 23, 2014, 6:14 pm

    One serious source reports that Hajo Meyer died last night (Friday-Saturday) at the age of 90.

    Hajo Meyer survived Auschwitz, and was condemning Israeli and Zionist behavior.

    His name was top signer of the letter, published only last Thursday, that said in its opening: we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza
    http://ijsn.net/gaza/survivors-and-descendants-letter/

    (also published in The Guardian,
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/15/gaza-propaganda-machines )

    A brave man.

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