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This is pretty surprising. First, check out the New York Times lead story on the Iran deal. Even the headline is skeptical: “Deal reached on Iran’s Nuclear Program, ‘Breakout Time’ Still a Point of Concern.”

But then check out the readers’ comments. There are nearly 2000 up; and if you look at Readers’ Picks — those letters judged best by other readers — the lineup is staggering. The readers love this deal. It’s not till you get down to the 27th comment on the popularity list that a discouraging word is heard. And the comments are smart. The readers know that there are open questions, but they hail the moment, Obama’s imagination and stick-to-it-iveness, and above all, the refusal to choose war. They understand!

Also, a number of comments mention Israel and its PM, Benjamin Netanyahu, and not in a favorable light, either.

The Times editors’ picks of Readers Letters reflect way more ambivalence. But then, the Times editors supported the Iraq war. So why should you listen to them?

Here are some excerpts of the great Readers’ Picks:

“When the history of this moment is told in times to come, I hope Barack Obama will get his proper share of credit for this wonderful and historic moment. Yes, we can. Yes, we did.” Charles H Riggs III, NY

“I’m proud that we chose reason and peace over bluster and bombs.” Abkarians, LA

“Now, let’s watch exactly who tries to sabotage the deal. Want to know who the enemies of peace, the enemies of the U.S., really are? Pay attention.” Robert Eller

“Iran was crucial in the U.S. victory over the Taleban in the aftermath of 9/11, and I believe the two nations will cooperate even more strongly in defeating ISIS.” Hamid Varzi, Spain

“Lets see – we managed to reach nuclear agreements with the USSR despite not trusting them an inch…. This is what diplomacy looks like. It is vision, taking risks, and managing a process.” John, Staunton VA

“We have a great president.” Ifkl

“Poll after poll tells us that the American public has had enough of this serial interventionism. We have a chance to avoid the chaotic carnage of another Middle East conflict.” Don Shipp, Homestead FL

“This is a huge diplomatic victory for the U.S. Americans are seen as war mongers. This victory would enhance their image around the world.” T Anand Raj, Tamil Nadu, India

“Of course many in congress will oppose this agreement putting Israel and their donors ahead of the worlds and the USA’s  best interests.” Carsafrica, California

“Netanyahu hates it, so it must be good.” James Thompson, Houston

“We are bearing witness to the work of two great men who profoundly understand the power of diplomacy.” Phoenix, California

“President Obama just earned that Nobel Peace Prize he was so prematurely awarded in 2009.” David Howard, California

“The Obama administration has just saved the United States thousands of lives, tens of thousands of wounded veterans, and at least a trillion dollars.” Dave K, Cleveland

“I am a Jewish-American woman who has visited Iran twice (my most recent trip was a month ago), and I cannot speak more highly of the warmth of the people or beauty of the country.” SL, New York

“Time for Israel to grow up and join the world. Time for Saudi Arabia to stop being the spoiled brat. The investors are at the airport and waiting at the door.”

“Time for the warmongers to attack the agreement and sabotage it.”  bill b, New York

“An Iran engaged with the rest of the world — with people traveling there from America, with cultural and educational cross pollination occurring — is a far better Iran than an Iran hostile and isolated.” Usha Srinivasan, MD

“Now, if we only could get Israel to lock up their stockpile of nuclear weapons.” NicV Swansea, MA

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  1. Citizen
    Citizen
    July 15, 2015, 1:08 am

    Rachel Maddow talked about this last night; she said approval rate is about 75% across the entire USA–the lowest approval was Oklahoma at 73%. She then noted the GOP leadership in Washington DC are totally ignoring this, parroting a script existing only in their own heads. Why?

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      July 15, 2015, 3:08 am

      A really good segment by Rachel. She also mentioned some beltway press as having the same bafflingly absurd panic reaction. As Mondoweiss reported recently, this is all funded by “a handful of super-wealthy individuals.”.
      http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/public-supports-groups/

      Rachel also played a clip from Obama’s first inaugural address which may turn out to be relevant.

      “To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit, and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history. But that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.”

    • RobertHenryEller
      RobertHenryEller
      July 15, 2015, 9:41 am

      The script is not in the GOP leadership’s head, Citizen.

      They’re reading the script handed to them by AIPAC, by Adelson, by Saban. The script they get with their “campaign contribution” checks.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        July 16, 2015, 1:51 am

        Sometimes they are not literally reading AIPAC scripts when making public oral statements–they’ve already been prepped from those scripts and are working from memory. Yes, those AIPAC-orchestrated donation checks are the spurs.

  2. Rooster
    Rooster
    July 15, 2015, 1:40 am

    Looks like the NYT has already changed the headline to “Deal Reached On Iran Nuclear Program; Limits On Fuel Would Lessen With Time.”

    • eGuard
      eGuard
      July 15, 2015, 7:53 am

      Wow NYT really did change their headline!

      Not only that, it looks like they started adding “NYT Picks” that are applauding the deal. Late. (Is there a tracking available for these NYT tricks, btw?).

      • RobertHenryEller
        RobertHenryEller
        July 15, 2015, 9:46 am

        Very common at the NYT. The “NYT Picks” are not picked for quality, but for range.

        Normally.

        But in the case of any articles about Israel and Palestine (And any article about Iran is about Israel, as far as the New York Times is concerned. I amazed when the NYT occasionally remembers its an American Newspaper.), the NYT makes sure that the Zionists get their say, through “NYT Picks.”

        The NYT will also not publish anti-Zionist statements, but will never do the same with pro-Zionist statements, no matter how racist.

  3. RoHa
    RoHa
    July 15, 2015, 2:45 am

    I like the messages from Robert Ellis, Carsafrica, and James Thompson.

    • RobertHenryEller
      RobertHenryEller
      July 15, 2015, 9:48 am

      That’s spelled “Eller” not “Ellis.” But thanks. Robert Eller

      • July 15, 2015, 12:50 pm

        Robert Eller: “The NYT will also not publish anti-Zionist statements…”

        Nonsense. The NY Times is far more open-minded in the comments it prints than MW. Here, just stray one foot off the beaten-to-the-ground Zionism tract and your comment won’t get published. The Times, on the other, just published this comment, mine:

        ‘And yet one more in-your-face example of Jewish exceptionalism in the NY Times: Jewish Americans aren’t like other Americans; of course Obama would have to sit down with Thomas Friedman to discuss this agreement. (Jeffrey Goldberg’s turn next?)

        I am very Rhett Butler when it comes to how American Jews view our foreign policy, or anything else: I don’t give a d—. A president makes decisions based on what’s in America’s interests. I am so sick of having to run every single policy we have past Jewish elites to get their blessing.’

      • annie
        annie
        July 15, 2015, 1:11 pm

        and such a radical comment broadside, you’re so right, we’d never publish anything like that here. (snark)

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        July 15, 2015, 7:38 pm

        ‘That’s spelled “Eller” not “Ellis.”’

        Yes, I saw that after the edit time had lapsed. But still a good message from him, even though I got his name wrong.

      • July 16, 2015, 11:12 am

        Annie: say what you want, I’m not snark!!

        (Said w fondness.)

  4. Tuyzentfloot
    Tuyzentfloot
    July 15, 2015, 5:16 am

    I think it’s great news.

    And how nice, the first pictures of Iran’s secret ball of plutonium show it’s got a heart.

  5. amigo
    amigo
    July 15, 2015, 7:47 am

    Ok, I was wrong every time I condemned the Nobel committee for choosing Obama for a Nobel prize.

    He certainly has stepped up to the plate on this one.

    A seminal moment in US/ ME affairs and a stake in the heart (term used loosely) of the Zionist beast.Now we need to see him up the game and start putting some pressure on America,s bestest bestest buddy and ally.

    • eljay
      eljay
      July 15, 2015, 8:00 am

      || amigo: Ok, I was wrong every time I condemned the Nobel committee for choosing Obama for a Nobel prize. … ||

      From the Nobel Peace Prize website:

      According to Nobel’s will, the Peace Prize is to go to whoever “shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses”.

      IMO, Barry O. doesn’t deserve a prize for easing crushing sanctions imposed by his nation (among others) against a nuclear-free, non-aggressor nation.

      • amigo
        amigo
        July 15, 2015, 9:40 am

        “IMO, Barry O. doesn’t deserve a prize for easing crushing sanctions imposed by his nation (among others) against a nuclear-free, non-aggressor nation. “eljay

        I was thinking of his efforts in the light of the level of opposition he had to resist all through this process. He could have just said the hell with it and avoid the constant insults from nietanyahu , et al .I believe in giving credit where it is due.He certainly deserves it more than some of those who were awarded it , such as Peres .

      • jimby
        jimby
        July 15, 2015, 11:03 pm

        The US had to do the deal with Iran. Europe was moving toward dropping sanctions and that would have left the US as the only country maintaining them. The US doesn’t want to push Iran into the arms of China and Russia as trading partners as they are already inclined to do. I think that it seems that Obama merely did a face-saving maneuver.

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      July 15, 2015, 8:36 am

      They were still wrong…unless we have evolved into fortune tellers.

      • amigo
        amigo
        July 15, 2015, 9:09 am

        “They were still wrong…unless we have evolved into fortune tellers.”CG

        Well CG , maybe Obama has been playing the long game.He is now in a position to deal with Nietandyahu / lobby on a different level.He initially misread the level of zionist infiltration into the White House and American politics and was forced to give them slack but let them self destruct.The Iran deal seems to be the key to gaining freedom from the zionist hold on the executive branch.

        I am no fortune teller , but the dam has burst and the situation has changed immeasurably.

        I agree , they were wrong if one considers his unquestioning support for Israel , especially the attacks on Gaza in 2009 /14.

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        July 15, 2015, 9:36 am

        I’ll take your word for the long game. I’m not smart enough to argue it.
        We are in agreement on your Gaza paragraph.
        In spite of everything, I do sense a broad wave building…for our side. I hope that is an indication of the long game. I hope to see more evidence in the MIC area.

      • amigo
        amigo
        July 15, 2015, 9:46 am

        ’ll take your word for the long game. I’m not smart enough to argue it.” CG

        We are not in agreement on that.

        Thanks for the reply and greetings from Ireland , where the sun has been shining continually for more than two hours .

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        July 15, 2015, 9:49 am

        Ha!
        Right back at you, Amigo…from 7200 feet in Wyoming…above the clouds.
        I do feel like a celebration is in order.

  6. eGuard
    eGuard
    July 15, 2015, 8:14 am

    Thomas Friedmans wind vane knowledge:
    First he shows off that he was in the White House for an update on the deal (he tells us five times). Obama told him he did not agree with the Friedman column two weeks ago.

    Now Friedman steps back by saying: Personally, I want more time to study the deal, hear from the nonpartisan experts, listen to what the Iranian leaders tell their own people and hear what credible alternative strategies the critics have to offer. (Really, only now you are interested in new alternative strategies?) Sure, Tom: two weeks ago you knew it all without having read anything, and now it’s a fact and you don’t know what to say about it. Obama exposed you for what you are.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/opinion/thomas-friedman-obama-makes-his-case-on-iran-nuclear-deal.html

    btw, spotted this sentence construct:
    the president said: “With respect to …” said the president.

  7. Vera Gottlieb
    Vera Gottlieb
    July 15, 2015, 9:13 am

    This guy Netanyahu is worse than a recurring nightmare. How about we start talking about israel’s atomic weaponry.

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      July 15, 2015, 9:29 am

      Not this morning when Green had him on NPR. Green let him bounce off the walls of a round room, like chicken little…but didn’t even hint at Israel’s nukes.

      • amigo
        amigo
        July 15, 2015, 10:25 am

        More displeasure with nietanyahu the obstructionist.

        “Britain’s Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond told parliament on Wednesday that Israel would not have been satisfied with any kind of nuclear deal with Iran, dismissing criticism of the agreement struck between Tehran and foreign powers.

        “The question you have to ask yourself is what kind of a deal would have been welcomed in Tel Aviv. The answer of course is that Israel doesn’t want any deal with Iran,” Hammond said in response to an opposition legislator who said he objected to the agreement and cited dismay in Tel Aviv.

        “Israel wants a permanent state of stand-off and I don’t believe that’s in the interests of the region. I don’t believe it’s in our interest,” Hammond said.”

        http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran/UKs-Hammond-Israel-doesnt-want-any-deal-with-Iran-it-wants-a-permanent-state-of-stand-off-409066

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        July 15, 2015, 10:36 am

        Say it loud!

      • John O
        John O
        July 15, 2015, 1:09 pm

        @amigo

        Blimey! I missed that remark by Hammond yesterday. Jpost (and others) seems to have lifted it from a Guardian report that will presumably be in tomorrow’s print edition:

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/15/binyamin-netanyahu-slated-israel-foreign-policy-failure-iran-nuclear-accord

        Some entertaining comments there, too. The hasbaristas who comment on the Guardian make our lot look like Socrates and Plato.

      • amigo
        amigo
        July 15, 2015, 2:19 pm

        “Some entertaining comments there, too. The hasbaristas who comment on the Guardian make our lot look like Socrates and Plato.” John O

        I was able to read the article but not download the comments.In any event , expect more condemnation of Nietanyahu from the people who worked so hard to produce this agreement.Israel is a nation populated by ingrates.I just bet Obama has been talking to the other leaders of the P5 and agreeing Israel needs some tough love.

        On another issue , there is gunfire and tear gas on the streets of Athens.Check AJ English.

      • amigo
        amigo
        July 15, 2015, 3:22 pm

        Lysias , thanks for the link to the Guardian.

        Looks as if things have died down and it was just the usual suspects creating problems for otherwise ordinary people who unfortunately have been under great pressure.

        The IMF says it may pull out of the process if Greece does not get “a hair cut” on their debt.They , the IMF , state , rightly so , that the Greek debt is unsustainable as it sits and especially under an extreme austerity program.I wonder what Ireland,s response will be if Greece is given a hair cut. We were flatly refused any real breaks and some of our people are still suffering from poverty.Should be interesting.

  8. catalan
    catalan
    July 15, 2015, 9:24 am

    I love the Iran deal as well. What’s not to love? Here is a country that represents everything that a society should aspire to – a civilized treatment of prisoners, modern criminal code, political system with broad participation and civic engagement, secular education, no concentration of power, gender equality, tolerance for homosexuality. Let’s hope that we can bring some of these achievements to the United States through cultural exchanges and economic cooperation. It’s heartwarming to see that American liberals truly care about these things. The ascent of ancient Persia into the modern Islamic republic proves for us skeptics that progress is indeed possible.

    • James North
      James North
      July 15, 2015, 9:43 am

      Catalan: You don’t care about Iran itself at all. You care about Israel, and the fact that this deal could weaken Israel’s strategic superiority in the region. You want my government to keep spending our billions and getting our young people killed in endless wars in the Mideast to protect Israel’s strategic position and occupation of Palestine.
      Read the more than 2000 comments on the NYT article again. More and more people are seeing through your dishonesty.

    • eljay
      eljay
      July 15, 2015, 9:46 am

      || catalan: I love the Iran deal as well. What’s not to love? Here is a country that represents everything that a society should aspire to … ||

      Iran doesn’t represent everything a society should aspire to. Neither does Israel.

      Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons. Neither does Isra…oh, hang on a sec. Israel does.

      Iran doesn’t occupy and colonize land outside of its borders. Neither does Isra…oh, hang on a sec. Israel does.

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        July 15, 2015, 10:11 am

        Israel does have a “Shoot Fish in a Barrel” game that attracts a lot of attention.
        Who else has one of those?

    • Donald
      Donald
      July 15, 2015, 9:49 am

      Some of your sarcastic criticism of Iran might be valid,, but some of it is misplaced–you seem to think Iranians are uneducated and you probably think that to the extent they are educated, women would be less so. I’m no expert, but this appears to be false.

      https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/14/iranian-view-nuclear-deal/

      But in general your post is silly, since nobody praising the deal wants the U.S. to be run by theocrats. You’d probably find more of that attitude in the opponents of the deal.

      Maybe I have you confused with someone else, but I thought your sarcasm used to be smarter than it has been lately.

      Off topic, but while visiting the Intercept to get the link above I saw a story about Wikileaks–it appears that a document shows the Israelis assassinated a Syrian general in 2008.

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        July 15, 2015, 10:09 am

        There is a long list. Iranian scientists, as well.

    • catalan
      catalan
      July 15, 2015, 10:42 am

      James North:
      Since we are 18 trillion dollars in debt, I support suspending all 80 billion of foreign aid and applying the money towards the debt. Let’s leave humantarian assistance to individuals, since as a government we are, well, basically broke. I am sure Israel’s economy would do fine without the aid.
      As to Iran, each person should make his own opinions. Religious fundamentalism is not my cup of tea, but if it works for the Iranians, fine. But let us note the hypocrisy of liberals who love being BFFs with Iran. Here is the thing – this blog could never exist in Iran.

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        July 15, 2015, 10:51 am

        BBF with Iran?
        Have you always had this, over-stating problem?

      • just
        just
        July 15, 2015, 11:34 am

        “Since we are 18 trillion dollars in debt, I support suspending all 80 billion of foreign aid and applying the money towards the debt. Let’s leave humantarian assistance to individuals, since as a government we are, well, basically broke.”

        Another bunch of rich statements.

        (pssst~ I hear that Hillary is looking for an accountant~ with your bone fides, you might be a perfect fit and pair!)

        Perhaps you’d rather work for this guy since you’re so buff,( “I don’t feel safe after 6 pm in Downtown Albuquerque and I am a white guy with some martial arts training and in excellent shape.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/catalan?keyword=shape#sthash.Ns70LirG.dpuf:)

        “George W. Bush Charged Veteran Charity $100,000 Speaking Fee For Fundraiser

        Former president George W. Bush charged a veterans’ charity $100,000 to speak at a fundraiser in 2012.

        The former commander in chief was also provided with a private plane to fly to the event, which cost another $20,000, ABC News reports.

        Bush spoke at a benefit for Helping a Hero, a nonprofit group that aids “severely wounded veterans returning from service in the War on Terror, primarily by partnering with the wounded hero to provide specially adapted homes to reintegrate them into their community,” according to the charity’s site. The organization benefits many veterans who were injured fighting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that Bush authorized. …”

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/09/george-w-bush-veteran-speaking-fee_n_7763008.html

        Have a nice day.

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        July 15, 2015, 11:46 am

        Ive been meaning to say this: What kind of a non-profit pays this?
        Who are they?
        Might be a cover…for some of Bush 2’s “base.”

      • MRW
        MRW
        July 15, 2015, 5:03 pm

        Since we are 18 trillion dollars in debt, I support suspending all 80 billion of foreign aid and applying the money towards the debt. Let’s leave humantarian assistance to individuals, since as a government we are, well, basically broke.

        What a crock. The US federal government is not $18 trillion in debt. The “National Debt” is also known as “Debt Held by the Public.” When you’re talking about US dollars, the creation of USD by the federal government is recorded (after the fact) on the double-entry ledger sheet on the right-hand-side in the Liabilities column because what they were created for is recorded on the left-hand-side in Assets. It is accounting shorthand to call liabilities “debt.” But the federal government “debt” is not the same as non-federal government “debt,” because the latter have to earn USD; they can’t create them.

        That $18 trillion is in everyone’s USD bank accounts.

        How can a government that issues its own currency go broke if individuals have dollars in their pocket? Where did those USD come from? Mars? Some factory in downtown China? You’re not making any sense.

    • piotr
      piotr
      July 17, 2015, 10:30 pm

      “Here is a country that represents everything that a society should aspire to – a civilized treatment of prisoners, modern criminal code, …” I lost track what catalan is about, but surely he is not writing about USA. Highest incarceration rate among the countries that deign to have public statistics, death penalty, massive use of solitary confinement, brutality in prisons (check revelations about NYC prisons, and that is supposed to be one of the more advanced nooks of the country), police brutality with people being killed for such offenses like sleeping on a sidewalk, riding bike without a light or selling a cigarette, or just looking at a policeman.

  9. RobertHenryEller
    RobertHenryEller
    July 15, 2015, 9:36 am

    “Now, let’s watch exactly who tries to sabotage the deal. Want to know who the enemies of peace, the enemies of the U.S., really are? Pay attention.” Robert Eller –

    As a Mondoweiss subscriber, I’m flattered to see my comment to the NYT quoted on Mondoweiss.

    Both my fellow NYT readers who recommended my comment, and those who didn’t like my comment (If you want to bother to read replies to my comment.), knew exactly who I was talking about.

    I’ve learned from making such comments more specific that the NYT often will simply not publish them.

    Keep up the good work, Mondoweiss.

    Regards, Robert Eller

    • just
      just
      July 15, 2015, 10:17 am

      Kudos.

      Thank you, RHE.

    • Boo
      Boo
      July 15, 2015, 12:51 pm

      ” I think … I could say something …
      If you know what I mean;
      But if I really say it
      The radio won’t play it
      Unless I lay it …
      Between the lines”

      “I Dig Rock’n’Roll Music” — Peter, Paul and Mary, 1967

  10. just
    just
    July 15, 2015, 9:47 am

    The audacity of hope in action.

    “Blessed are the peacemakers”.

    Something so profoundly different, and it feels so good and right.

  11. hophmi
    hophmi
    July 15, 2015, 10:38 am

    Why is this a surprise? The Times is a liberal paper, and liberal Americans overwhelmingly support the deal and the President.

    Is the measure of a policy whether it’s popular or not?

    • just
      just
      July 15, 2015, 11:46 am

      “The Times is a liberal paper”

      lol. Didja ever hear PEP?

      lol!

    • RobertHenryEller
      RobertHenryEller
      July 15, 2015, 12:32 pm

      The New York Times is “at best” a center right newspaper which allows some progressive social views, because of its readership.

      On economic and financial issues, the NYT is about as liberal as Wall Street’s own Senator Chuck Schumer, and Wall Street’s former Senator and future President Hillary Clinton.

      On Israel, the NYT is 100% in the bag Zionist, and will do nothing to criticize AIPAC, Netanyahu or Likud. The NYT will allow its readers to make polite criticisms of Israel, while having no problem publishing racist comments about Muslims, Arabs, Persians by its Zombie Zionist readers.

      You will not see the NYT endorse Bernie Sanders.

      And people like you calling the NYT a liberal paper sound about as sane and well-informed as Mike Oren.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        July 15, 2015, 1:10 pm

        “On Israel, the NYT is 100% in the bag Zionist, and will do nothing to criticize AIPAC, Netanyahu or Likud.”

        I guess you don’t read Mondoweiss, which has provided numerous examples of the Times doing exactly this over the last couple of years.

  12. Jethro
    Jethro
    July 15, 2015, 10:50 am

    I am quite enjoying watching pro-Israel fanatics like Catalan respond to the Iran deal.

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      July 15, 2015, 10:59 am

      Never thought about it before, but I suppose evolution is somewhat painful if you are being forced to shed your skin before you are ready to accept your position on the planet…as just another nation and just another people.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        July 15, 2015, 12:39 pm

        “just another nation and just another people”

        The funny thing is, we’re always told that that is what Israel is FOR – to be ‘just another country’, albeit a ‘Jewish’ one. Witness all the whining about ‘singling Israel out’ when it suits them. And yet now, when Israel is put back in its box, and treated like just another minor nation which didn’t have a seat at the table, they start tearing their hair out and demanding special treatment. Sigh. Never happy, are they?

      • Boo
        Boo
        July 15, 2015, 12:53 pm

        If being forced to shed your skin is a prerequisite, it’s one that Bibi should be well rehearsed for, since the skin of reptiles can’t expand with their growth and must therefore be shed periodically.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      July 15, 2015, 12:36 pm

      I’m getting a huge kick out of it too.

      I’ve been following this ‘crisis’ for years, and have noticed that every single one of the opponents to a deal have been shills for Israel. No exceptions. None. Of course, some of them try to pretend otherwise, and claim that they’re ‘concerned about nuclear proliferation’ or ‘the stability of the region’ or some such nonsense. But push them a bit, and 10 times out of 10, it will be quickly revealed that their one and only concern is protecting Israeli hegemony.

      • John O
        John O
        July 15, 2015, 7:18 pm

        “I’ve been following this ‘crisis’ for years, and have noticed that every single one of the opponents to a deal have been shills for Israel.”

        Similarly, I have never never come across a climate change sceptic who wasn’t being paid handsomely to say the things they said.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        July 16, 2015, 1:31 am

        Yep. Just try counting how often “Israel” is mentioned by US reps. It’s the new apple pie in our government culture, cuisine.

  13. Boo
    Boo
    July 15, 2015, 12:39 pm

    It seems to me, because of how NYT filters their comments section, that the Washington Post is often a better barometer of public feeling.

    The comments on their Iran articles in general have been running about 6-8:1 in favor of the agreement.

    The comments on the “Bibi paints this as darkest of days in world history” are approximately 10:1 against Bibi and the Israeli position.

    My own comment on the latter is that Bibi sees this as the “darkest of days in world history” because he’s forced willy-nilly to deal with the “darkest of Presidents in US history”… ;-)

  14. Qualtrough
    Qualtrough
    July 15, 2015, 2:14 pm

    Dick Cheney is apparently livid about the deal. No surprise that. Hopefully the anger will shorten its life span.

    • amigo
      amigo
      July 15, 2015, 2:26 pm

      “Dick Cheney is apparently livid about the deal.” Qualtrough.

      Well , let,s hope Obama tells Dick (War monger ) Chaney, the deal is a ,”SLAM DUNK”. Those were his words —right?.

      • Walker
        Walker
        July 15, 2015, 8:06 pm

        No, that was George Tenet.

      • amigo
        amigo
        July 16, 2015, 8:31 am

        “No, that was George Tenet.” Walker

        Thanks for the correction.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      July 16, 2015, 1:24 am

      Yes, he was on Fox, saying he doesn’t understand why anyone would think it’s a good deal. He looked like he was near Death’s door.

  15. tommy
    tommy
    July 15, 2015, 6:29 pm

    My comment, criticizing the need for sanctions, and the subsequent treaty limiting Iran’s rights to develop a nuclear energy industry, was not published by the NYT.

  16. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    July 17, 2015, 11:49 am

    Can anyone explain why the Iranian population is so young? Does this have anything to do with the Iranian deaths that took place during the Iran Iraq war? You know the one where the U.S. supported Iraq and stood by while Iraq used chemical weapons against the Iranians? Why is the population so young in Iran?

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