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Green Party Presidential Candidate Jill Stein on Wednesday night provided an alternative vision for U.S. policy with Israel that questioned whether Washington was doing “Israel any favors” by dumping money into warfare and occupation.

Stein was answering a question at a CNN Green Party town hall from an audience member who wondered why Stein chose to “single out” Israel for a boycott even though Israel is “a democratic ally to us.”

“Why don’t you do the same for other middle eastern states which are committing horrific crimes and abuses of people?” voter MariaChristina Garcia asked.

Stein’s answer showed that terms like “democratic ally” don’t amount to a hill of beans when that country is pursuing policies that violate human rights, and that the U.S. under a Stein presidency will not ignore the rights violations of Saudi Arabia or Israel. The logic stems from an understanding that the U.S., in its pursuit of war in the middle east, has also violated human rights of others.

“We are turning over a new chapter in this, because we have been as guilty as any of our allies,” she said.

“If we turned the White House into a Green House, our foreign policy will be based on international law and human rights, so when we say to Israel we will not continue to give you to $8 million dollars a day when the Israeli army is occupying territory in Palestine,” Stein said to applause.

“We’re not going to do it for the Saudis either. Nor for that matter does Egypt get a free pass as well. We’re giving them billions of dollars as well,” she said.

“Have you advocated to boycott Saudi Arabia?” Garcia asked?

“Yes,” Stein said, to further applause.

All of it was getting a bit too real for CNN moderator Chris Cuomo. His brother, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a chief Clinton ally, has been a vocal opponent of the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions movement that Stein has shown sympathy towards. The effort aims to isolate Israel, as many worldwide did to South Africa during Apartheid, to try to force it to recognize the civil and human rights of Palestinians living under occupation and also Palestinian citizens of Israel.

“Another follow on this is that Israel is not Saudi Arabia or Egypt,” Cuomo reminded the audience. “It certainly occupies a special alliance with the United States and supporters would argue faces an existential threat that others do not. Do you see Israel being a special ally and in a unique defensive position in that part of the world?”

Stein replied by saying she herself is Jewish and has family who live in Israel “part time.”

“Well I happen to be of Jewish origins so yes I have a special connection to Israel…I don’t think we are doing Israel a favor by condoning a policy that makes Israel very insecure, that makes Israel the target of hostility from its neighbors.”

Stein gave fellow Jewish American Sheldon Adelson, owner of the most read Israeli newspaper, as an example of someone meddling in Israeli affairs to the detriment of all involved.

“He’s not even living there. I don’t think that’s good for someone to be influencing Israel’s policy when they don’t have to live with the consequences,” Stein said of Adelson.

Cuomo fired back with a “yes or no” question about whether Israel has a special relationship to the U.S.

“I understand you have family relations there…Do you believe they’re a special ally, yes or no?”

It was a meaningless and childlike question from Cuomo, and it received an appropriately meaningless and pedantic answer.

“I believe all our allies are special allies. Israel and all of them. We are all members of the human family. I think we have responsibilities to everyone to create a world that works for all of us. And by sponsoring a very hostile military policy that violates international law, that doesn’t do us any favors,” she said.

“There are people in Israel who are really working for human rights, who are actually building community with the Palestinians. There are human rights groups that are building trust, building community and building confidence. These are the groups we need to be lifting up to create a middle east that’s going to work.”

Cuomo and Stein were asking questions that came from different universes, practically. Stein’s assumptions were that human rights should guide American foreign policy, while Cuomo fixated on whether Stein appreciated the existential dread that Israelis have of Palestinians and their Arab neighbors. Cuomo asked her twice about how special Israel is to the U.S., when she had already answered: Israel was not more or less special than any of our allies. It’s also remarkable how easily Cuomo glossed over Stein’s family ties to the country, and her own Jewishness, in questioning her policy position.

For average Stein voters, however, it appears the candidate’s overall suspicion of militarism is the biggest draw.

Sherrie Gonzalez, a Brooklyn Bernie Sanders canvasser I met during the primaries, was an audience member at the town hall debate. She’s planning on voting for Stein.

“It sounds like she just wants to stop funding death and respect human rights for everyone involved,” Gonzalez told Mondoweiss.

Although she said she isn’t an expert on Israel/Palestine affairs, Gonzalez said Stein’s focus on cutting back military spending is what draws her to the candidate. That money, she feels, could better be spent at home and not financing Israel’s occupation of Palestinian land, or Saudi Arabia’s campaign against Yemen.

“For me, one of the most jarring points she made was about the number of military bases we have in comparison to the rest of the world. Like, take a guess as to how many bases the world has? It’s 30 [total]. 30 for everyone else. Russia has the most at 8. We have 800. It costs us over $100 billion a year to fund these. We could cut them in half and have $50 billion available for things here like rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure or I don’t know, a public [health care] option?”

“I agree so much with her that these interventions and coups cause more trouble than they solve and they account for something like 50% of the tax money I pay a year,” Gonzalez said.

But how to unravel this irrational and byzantine system of alliances based on their level of specialness, as Cuomo calls it, remains a mystery. It’s like Stein is walking into a big meeting of a neighborhood mafia, and telling everybody they will no longer be dealing in protection rackets, nor will they be selling guns, drugs or people. Everyone is going to have to go legit!

There isn’t space in this post for a full discussion of how this would happen, if it ever does. Gonzalez admits she doesn’t have the answers, either.

“How do we dismantle our Mafia empire?” I asked Gonzalez.

“I guess the biggest issue with our current situation is that we’ve developed an economy around it,” she said.

“Why is that a problem?”

“Because it’s an economy of death and oppression.”

Fair enough.

“I’m aware that just completely pulling out of situations can cause chaos but the outcome doesn’t change whether we do it now or 20 years from now,” she said.  “I think if I had answers, I would be running for office. I vote for as minimal suffering as possible if I can help it.”

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  1. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    August 19, 2016, 12:31 pm

    Current poll results strongly suggest that New York is a “safe” state for Clinton. Whether one likes that or not, there it is.

    A consequence of that — if you believe the polls, as I do — is that you may safely vote GREEN without changing the electoral vote count. But doing so may “send a signal” to the Democratic Party that the Sanders folks (or call them the anti-corporatist folks) are calling for a new Party, a different Party from Bill Clinton’s and Obama’s.

    Now, after this CNN interview, If you care about Palestine you evidently have another good reason to vote GREEN.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      August 19, 2016, 7:36 pm

      Pabelmont,

      Logically, voting third party in “safe states” only clearly signals to the Demolican crime mafia that you will obey them and fall back in line everytime. The more people who propose this nonsense, the safer the mafia.
      What’s the sense of voting against something only when you know it won’t be against?

      • anti_republocrat
        anti_republocrat
        August 20, 2016, 12:26 am

        Precisely. The historical role of 3rd parties in the US is to punish the major parties into addressing an issue or issues they have been neglecting, slavery being the ultimate example. Democrats and Whigs refused to acknowledge the depth of anger arising in the North and West as a result of the Kansas-Nebraska Act, the Dred Scott decision and a looming decision on the “right of transit” that might have effectively legalized slavery in the free states. The Free Soil Party was ignored as well as the Republicans in their first efforts.

        But the failure of the Whigs to address the problem led to their total collapse. Most moved to the Republicans, with substantial numbers of anti-slavery Democrats joining them. We may be approaching a similar crisis. The Republican Party could collapse with neocons going to the Democrats, America Firsters staying and Libertarians going to the Libertarian Party.

        With Hillary Clinton openly courting the neocons and advertising in advance that she will risk war with Russia over Syrian airspace, it should be clear there is no place in the Democratic Party for anti-war leftists and independents. Hillary Clinton is the very antithesis of what we want. jill2016.com

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        August 20, 2016, 12:30 am

        echinococcus: What’s the sense of voting against something only when you know it won’t be against?
        ————

        I agree.

        Now if progressives really want to do something against the Democratic party establishment, they should vote for Trump in swing states.

      • jd65
        jd65
        August 20, 2016, 1:56 am

        “What’s the sense of voting against something only when you know it won’t be against?”

        Say what?

        “If you want to pull the party… to what you’re thinking, you must, you must show them that you’re capable of not voting for them. If you don’t show them you’re capable of not voting for them, they don’t have to listen to you. I promise you that. I worked within the democratic party. I didn’t… have to listen to anything on the left [.] while I was working in the democratic party because the left had nowhere to go.” – Lawrence O’Donnell.

        This.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        August 20, 2016, 7:46 am

        Sibiriak,

        That would be just as moronic as voting Democrat.
        Besides, that swing-or-nonswing-state thinking is nothing but single-party idiocy.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        August 20, 2016, 7:54 am

        JD65,

        Only-safe-state voting outside your preferred wing of the Demolicanorepucrat Party is voting for it. My point was that your vote is only effective if not conditioned by horsetrading considerations.
        Besides, no amount of being “listened to” may change anything significant (i.e. with respect to aggression, Zionism and war ) in either of the two parties. Their owners are known.

      • jd65
        jd65
        August 20, 2016, 10:16 pm

        I think a large percentage of the population (and, honestly, more self-professed “liberals” than “conservatives”) are folks Dylan coulda been singing to in “Positively 4th Street”:

        You just want to be on the side that’s winning.

        It’s sad, stupid, dangerous, and these people don’t realize that they’re killing what they believe they’re trying to save. Hoffman was likely right. It’s over. They won.

  2. inbound39
    inbound39
    August 19, 2016, 12:40 pm

    The only reason Israel has an existential threat from Palestinians and it’s Arab neighbours is because of its illegal occupation and land theft and subjugation and mistreatment of the Palestinian People and its clear meddling in Arab affairs to ensure its domination of the Middle East and the Arabs quite clearly want no part of what Israel is offering or wanting to do in the region.

  3. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    August 19, 2016, 2:01 pm

    What a breath of fresh air this lady is. She puts to outright shame all those embarasing bought and bent US politicians as well as the bought and bent MSM voices including the d—head CNN “moderator” Cuomo. He was clearly reading from a standard Zionist prep`d script with the usual “faces an existential threat” “special relationship” “special ally” drivel. As for the lady from the audience I suspect that she must have annoyed Cuomo somewhat by pre-empting the standard “whataboutery” routine which has been a longstanding and increasingly boring plank of the pro – JSIL and anti – BDS lobbies and which he had no doubt been rehearsing beforehand.

    Interestingly the Green Party and its leader Natalie Bennett here in the UK are equally robust in their condemnation of JSIL and support for BDS.
    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/134303/green-leader-natalie-bennett-backs-cultural-boycott-israel

    Bennetts predecessor Caroline Lucas was and remains similarly critical of Israel and a strong supporter of BDS. A good example of this was her support of a boycott of water meters installed by the Southern Water Authority because they were supplied by the JSILi company Arad Technologies which provides water infrastructure to illegal settlements in the West Bank. At least one local resident refused to have an Arad meter installed and Southern Water backed off and installed an ethical alternative:
    http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/10647791.display/

    So all you Southern Water company customers in the South of England and those elsewhere in the UK who are having water meters installed in the future by their local water companies please do check the provenance of the supply and if it is Arad do tell your water company that you insist upon an ethical alternative.

    Little acorns.

  4. hophmi
    hophmi
    August 19, 2016, 3:56 pm

    She’s clueless. No one in the activist community is spending the time on Saudi Arabia and Egypt that they’re spending on Israel.

    No one is talking about Egyptian and Saudi violations of human rights or international law.

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      August 19, 2016, 4:21 pm

      @hophmi

      That’s wrong. The fact is you don’t care enough to follow what’s said. You’re only motivated by self interest and nothing else.

      • Cazador
        Cazador
        August 21, 2016, 1:26 am

        He’s hasbara. He’s paid for it by the US taxpayers’ uncontrolled generosity to the little land thief of the Middle East, the apartheid advocate, the genocide state in disguise, the self-called victim of existantialist threat, the only Middle East country crookedly armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons. Hasbara reps’ work endanger humanist, pacifist Jews who totally disagree with the hasbara bull and zionism.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        August 22, 2016, 11:19 am

        It’s completely right. And you know it. Israel’s a democracy. It’s much easier to be an activist there than it is in places like Egypt or Saudi.

      • inbound39
        inbound39
        August 22, 2016, 7:17 pm

        hophmi…how pray tell can a nation that has separate laws for Jews and Arabs be a democracy…..smells more like Apartheid to everyone else.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      August 19, 2016, 8:23 pm

      No political leaders are constantly praising Egypt or Saudi Arabia as having the same values as America’s; nor do those countries get the giant chunk of aid US gives Israel, which is the size of NJ with a a robust economy supporting national health care. Further, Israel gets its aid no strings attached & with interest! Egypt gets the next most US aid, but with a giant string attached–it most always support Israel’s agenda. Saudi Arabia pays through the nose for the arms it buys from USA–it’s US MIC’s biggest buyer!

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      August 21, 2016, 10:30 am

      One culprit at a time. Let us start with the one that gets the MOST aid, support, and protection from us. Be patient.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        August 22, 2016, 11:21 am

        LOL. You mean Iraq? Here, here.

      • jd65
        jd65
        August 22, 2016, 11:08 pm

        Kay24: One culprit at a time. Let us start with the one that gets the MOST aid, support, and protection from us…

        hophmi: LOL. You mean Iraq? Here, here.

        Wow, hophmi. If that’s an honest comment/observation/thought from you, it’s maybe the most hysterically, self-deluded, freakishly myopic and uninformed response I’ve ever read. On any internet board. Or any forum. Or anywhere on the internet, really. Anywhere. Ever. Wow. Or, of course, then again, maybe it’s just some average button pushing? Either way…

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        August 23, 2016, 6:48 am

        JDD5, you have responded well. They grovel and threaten to make sure the aid keeps flowing, but do not want you to refer to the fact that they are the biggest welfare queen that sponges off the US. I guess the truth hurts.

    • eljay
      eljay
      August 23, 2016, 8:15 am

      || hophmi: … No one is talking about Egyptian and Saudi violations of human rights or international law. ||

      If no-one’s talking about them, what you’re asking is for the world’s only Egyptian state and the world’s only Saudi Arabian State to be singled out. And that – surprise! – is hypocritical of you.

      But a quick Google search shows that people are talking about them and that you’re lying. So what you’re asking for instead is for Israel violations of human rights and international law not to be talked about and that – surprise! – is hypocritical of you.

  5. Jasonius Maximus
    Jasonius Maximus
    August 19, 2016, 4:16 pm

    Bless, Jill Stein for trying! Unfortunately, she dropped the ball a few times on this front, especially for sternly not calling out Coumo for his insistence in acknowledging Israel’s “special relationship” status with the US and for referring to the so-called “existential threat” Israel faces from their neighbors.

    First, not a single AIPAC stooge in Washington can name a single thing Israel has done to promote and / or improve US diplomatic or military interests in the region. Not one. We aren’t even allow to have military bases or troops stationed in Israel, which is an exceptional case considering the number of bases and outposts we hold across the world with nearly every single one of our allies, not to mention our most “special” allies! They have, however, occasionally allowed us to fly over their airspace from our base in Turkey. Yes, Turkey! That great apparently “not so special ally” of ours.

    Secondly, to claim that Israel faces existential threats from her Arab neighbors is a joke and should be called out at every mention! Not a single Arab state poses even close to such a threat to Israel, not even all of them combined! That’s because Israel is the ONLY state with a nuclear weapons arsenal in the entire region. Israel’s first and second strike capabilities alone ensure that no military threat, short of all out war with the US or Russia, poses a threat to her existence. None! Zero! Zilch! Nada! Add to this the number of ridiculously powerful military nations that would unflinchingly back Israel should she legitimately come under such an unprovoked existential threat and any statement or allusion to the contrary should be openly mocked, resounding rejected and scoffed at.

    Still, Jill’s voice on this issue deserves credit where it is due and it was welcome and refreshing to here at least one politician avoid using the well rehearsed tired old diatribes, catchphrases and flash cards handed to them by AIPAC. Her not-so-subtle jab at both Cuomo and the audience member regarding US foreign policy hypocricy and inconsistency in regards to human rights abuses and breaking of International Law was a real winner too!

  6. Citizen
    Citizen
    August 19, 2016, 8:37 pm

    I will likely vote for Jill, but by this time I expected her responses regarding all the usual platitudes about Israel-US special relationship to be sharper. She has a public platform now and needs to get sharper to make all the points Dick and Jane need to hear for the first time in their lives.

  7. Keith
    Keith
    August 19, 2016, 8:59 pm

    WILSON DIZARD- (Jill Stein quote)- ““I believe all our allies are special allies. Israel and all of them.”

    Jeez, what a weak answer. I like Jill Stein, however, we all know she isn’t going to be elected. Why then answer so as not to offend? Why not provide answers which reflect reality regardless of the consequences? I didn’t listen to the whole thing, however, I would be astonished if Jill ever referred to the American empire. And yes, Israel is special. Thanks to American Jewish Zionist power it is not a vassal and, in fact, has too much influence on American Middle East foreign policy. Some honest and forthright straight talk is long overdue. Jill needs to turn a spotlight on Hillary and her neocon buddies.

    • anti_republocrat
      anti_republocrat
      August 20, 2016, 12:31 am

      Points well taken.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      August 20, 2016, 4:12 am

      Bernie came up short in the end too. Why? Neither he nor Jill are spring chickens. Both have plenty of money for what little, comparatively speaking, is left of their lives. They both know the truth, and that is, that US addition to Israel is very harmful to America.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      August 20, 2016, 4:18 am

      Real cost to USA is millions of American lives and $40 trillion dollars. Here’s how it adds up:
      http://www.countercurrents.org/polya270813.htm
      Both Jill & Bernie know this. Both have demonstrated for years they are more ethical than the usual folks in their positions. Both have plenty of money for themselves and family for what’s left of their lives. Why don’t they tell Americans the truth about the “special relationship”?

      I can’t think of a reason except the Goldstone syndrome: fear of shunning by local Jewish community, including perhaps members in their own extended family.

      Any other suggestions?

      • Keith
        Keith
        August 20, 2016, 10:19 am

        CITIZEN- “I can’t think of a reason except the Goldstone syndrome: fear of shunning by local Jewish community, including perhaps members in their own extended family.”

        I think you are probably right. Throw in Noam Chomsky’s de facto support for Hillary and Bill Blum’s recent de facto clash of civilizations nonsense and you have these senior citizens coming home to family. I was really surprised that Jill Stein even mentioned her Jewishness, which shouldn’t even be an issue but apparently is.

        Suggestions? Pray for a miracle? The way things are going, the 2020 elections may be a moot point.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        August 22, 2016, 11:24 am

        LOL. You’re a joke, Citizen, just like this ridiculous antisemitic article. Yeah, Afghanistan and Iraq are “Zionist” wars and Zionists “subvert” America. It’s anti-Zionism, folks, not antisemitism.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        August 22, 2016, 2:10 pm

        OK, hophmi, the article is anti-Semitic.
        So what?
        Tell what claims of fact in the article are untrue. Tell us what arguments are fallacious. Tell us what moral standards are breached.
        Those are the things that matter, not your whines about “anti-Semitism”.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 22, 2016, 2:45 pm

        “Tell what claims of fact in the article are untrue. Tell us what arguments are fallacious. Tell us what moral standards are breached.”

        “RoHa” isn’t it obvious? This analysis is nothing new. It is typical of Dizard’s s writing, which suggests, as it always does, the Dizard has internalized anti-Jewish hatred, and like those secularist Jews in Europe who looked down upon their brethren or converted to Christianity to escape their Judaism, Dizard adopts the classic tropes of the self-hater. – http://mondoweiss.net/profile/hophmi/?keyword=fall+away#sthash.oAovUotT.dpuf

    • Cazador
      Cazador
      August 21, 2016, 1:34 am

      If she goes too heavy, she’ll be called anti-semite and be ostracized, as a start…

  8. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    August 20, 2016, 12:29 am

    Thank you.

  9. captADKer
    captADKer
    August 20, 2016, 10:39 am

    as preposterous and mendacious as stein’s now universalist bds policy is, her explanation for buying back student loan debt is beyond fantastical.
    that said, she does offer a telegenic alternative to hillary. however, some one should revisit stein’s shoe selection if there is to be a brightly lit encore.

    • Cazador
      Cazador
      August 21, 2016, 1:39 am

      As long as she doesn’t make the same hugly questionable facial twists as Killary, the shoe issue won’t have much importance, will it?

  10. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    August 20, 2016, 11:02 am

    June 2017 will be the 50th anniversary of the attack by JSILi air and sea forces on the USS Liberty. 34 US navy personnel were killed and 171 were wounded. I trust that the USS Liberty Veterans Association are planning a major commemorative event to mark the occasion and perhaps call again for the Congressional enquiry which never happened.. It will serve to remind the American public of just how “special” the “special relationship” is and perhaps bring it to the attention of the younger generation who are perhaps not aware of the event.
    http://www.rense.com/general10/unt.htm

    A deliberate cold blooded murderous attack by the” special ” allies to serve their own , not America`s needs , and a classic and perhaps the most scandalous and shameful example of just how corrupted by JSIL influence and control the US had become by then – and remains.

    • captADKer
      captADKer
      August 20, 2016, 6:13 pm

      the “friendliest” of fire. shit happens- on land or at sea

      • john_manyjars
        john_manyjars
        August 21, 2016, 5:42 am

        Johnson should have been impeached for his cowardly, mendacious ‘reaction’ to the Liberty atrocity. F*ck Israel sideways for killing our sailors, and anyone else who apologizes for this unprovoked act of war. Any other country but Israel would have been flattened!

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        August 22, 2016, 11:25 am

        And, yet another link to Rense, the Holocaust denial website.

        But it’s anti-Zionism, not antisemitism, folks.

    • Cazador
      Cazador
      August 21, 2016, 1:51 am

      Touché… Just like the USS LIBERTY was, and the zionist friends really tried to sink it (to hide the REAL source of the FRIENDLY attack) as their shooting of all the US personnel in the Liberty rescue boat didn’t quite satisfy them. The USS Liberty’s personnel faced a REAL existential threat. With friends like these…

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        August 21, 2016, 9:42 am

        They are a burden on the American people, who have not been told the truth, and the facts are always hidden by the media, who never refer to just how much this parasitic nation is costing us.
        The threaten, twist arms, and bribe, to keep the money flowing. This from a nation considered well off.

        An old article but still relevant, considering we are going to give them even MORE. Obama who has been disrespected by the king of zio land many times, gives them the greatest charity package ever.

        “Senator Joseph Lieberman proudly stated, “Any attempt to pressure Israel, to force Israel to the negotiating table by denying Israel support, will not pass in Congress… Congress will act against any attempt to do that.”[41]

        It’s true: The US Congress, along with the executive branch, overwhelmingly support virtually any action or wish of the Israeli government, no matter how at odds with US national interest or security,[42] primarily because of the power of the Israel lobby.[43]

        Even when two AIPAC employees were indicted on espionage charges in 2005, and it was determined that they had obtained classified US government information illegally and passed it to Israeli agents, the charges were quietly dropped on technicalities.[44] AIPAC fired both employees and issued a statement that they were fired because their actions did not comport with AIPAC standards.[45] One of the fired employees, Steven Rosen, filed a lawsuit for defamation, claiming his actions were, in fact, common practice at AIPAC.[46]

        When Israel attempted to sink a U.S. Navy ship, the USS Liberty , in 1967, killing 34 Americans and injuring over 170, it still failed to put a dent in aid to Israel.[47] Indeed, aid quadrupled the following year.[48]

        Though Congressmen receive payments and support from the lobby in exchange for their loyalty, the American taxpayer is left footing the bill. As detailed above, the total cost has run from a bare minimum of $112 billion since 1948 (the cost of foreign aid alone) to $1.6 trillion or more, factoring in Defense appropriations, oil crises, the sinking of the USS Liberty , the heightened risk of terrorism, lost trade and co-opted technology, and countless other factors. If the Iraq war and the increased risk of a war with Iran are factored in, the cost skyrockets even higher.”

        http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34485.htm

      • inbound39
        inbound39
        August 22, 2016, 7:07 pm

        This says it all Kay24….from the same article……If Israel were using these funds for a good purpose, one could debate whether the price was worth it. But Israel uses most of the money to prolong a 45-year military occupation (which regularly involves gross violations of international law),[49] commit egregious human rights violations,[50] and destroy billions of dollars worth of Palestinian homes and infrastructure[51] (resulting in still more U.S. tax money being sent to Palestinians to rebuild demolished homes, hospitals, and schools), while building illegal Jewish-only settlements on Palestinian land.[52]

        It makes the prospect of peace ever more distant, creates dangerous hostility to the US, placing Americans in peril, and puts the US Congress in violation of the Arms Export Control Act,[53] all for the sake of campaign contributions.

        There is no good reason to keep throwing good money after bad in a failed, ill-founded policy. It’s long past time for a fundamental rethinking of the American government’s blank check to Israel.

        This is the Nation that funds Hilary Clinton and who owns and runs the American Government. Americans need to declare this election as an opportunity to stem the flow to Israel of THEIR money. And put someone in the Presidential Office who represents America and not Israel.

  11. ClearAndPresentDanger
    ClearAndPresentDanger
    August 20, 2016, 12:07 pm

    “we say to Israel we will not continue to give you to $8 million dollars a day”

    “Nor for that matter does Egypt get a free pass as well. We’re giving them billions of dollars as well”

    She seems unaware of Treaty obligations, or does she plan to abrogate them?

    “We’re not going to do it for the Saudis either”

    Rather one-dimensional, what?

    • John O
      John O
      August 20, 2016, 1:01 pm

      Treaty? What treaty? As far as I am aware (and the topic comes up fairly regularly on MW), there is no formal treaty between the USA and Israel – not least because Israel does not have agreed borders which Uncle Sam could pledge to defend in the event of outside aggression.

      • ClearAndPresentDanger
        ClearAndPresentDanger
        August 23, 2016, 12:52 am

        @John O

        “Treaty? What treaty?”

        Try the Camp David Accords and agreements pursuant for starters.

        “As far as I am aware”

        Well, there you go….

  12. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    August 20, 2016, 12:45 pm

    @CAPD

    “She seems unaware of Treaty obligations”

    What you are referring to sunshine are not “Treaties” but “Aid Agreements”.

    You of all experts should really know the difference especially when you attempt to engage brain and spout off about “abrogation”.

  13. REALITY CHECK 101
    REALITY CHECK 101
    August 20, 2016, 5:18 pm

    I’ll say it again. Stein is obviously aware she can never be elected, otherwise she wouldn’t have chosen a running mate with the name Ajamu Baraka. I’m not impugning his beliefs or his bonafides…just sayin’.

    Hey…if you hated Barack Hussein Obama…you’re gonna love Ajamu Baraka.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      August 20, 2016, 5:52 pm

      “Ajamu Baraka.”

      Is a fine name. I like it.

      • REALITY CHECK 101
        REALITY CHECK 101
        August 21, 2016, 2:55 am

        I’m fine with it too..My comment addresses the dumbed down bible thumping high school graduates called “low information voters” in the last election…I mean you do recognize the fear mongering about Obama’s purported Muslim sympathies that affects roughly half of the voting public..right?

    • jd65
      jd65
      August 20, 2016, 6:16 pm

      “Stein is obviously aware she can never be elected, otherwise she wouldn’t have chosen a running mate with the name Ajamu Baraka.”

      Are you unaware that the name of the president of the United States is Barak Obama? Reality check, indeed…

      • REALITY CHECK 101
        REALITY CHECK 101
        August 21, 2016, 2:56 am

        I guess the irony and sarcasm went over everyone’s head…

        Btw, I just posted this on a Yahoo news article: Vote Jill Stein if you’re tired of wars for israel…

        Am I forgiven?

      • jd65
        jd65
        August 21, 2016, 5:59 pm

        @ REALITY CHECK 101:

        <i.Am I forgiven?

        Nothing to forgive. The internet is not known for it’s ability to translate people’s humor/irony/sarcasm consistently. Sometimes it just doesn’t come across for certain people (like me, I guess). And then sometimes it does.

        However, you are not forgiven for your ALL CAPS Mondoweiss handle :) There is no excuse for that…

      • REALITY CHECK 101
        REALITY CHECK 101
        August 22, 2016, 6:17 pm

        Actually I do have an excuse for that. I use that handle (w/o the 101) in Yahoo “news” where I work daily as an advocate for Palestine and confront the Zionist hordes employed there by Israel. I thought when I created that handle 7 years ago that it just might get a little more notice and call attention to my comments. It worked..

        I ‘m considered Public Enemy #1 by the army of hasbarats that infest internet news outlets.

        As an aside..the notification of follow-up comments isn’t working for me.

      • jd65
        jd65
        August 22, 2016, 11:16 pm

        Hey Reality Check 101. As laudable as your reason is for the all caps moniker, imo it’s still no excuse :) But I hear you…

        And yeah, the follow-up comments notification thingie hasn’t been working for me for a while here. But I long ago gave up on trying to deal w/ the technological “bugginess” of the forum here at MW. It is what it is. Some of the articles are good and important (some more so, some less so). And some of the conversation and information one gets through these comment sections is good and important (some more so, some less so). A while back I decided to do my best to let all the design issues w/ whatever program this forum is running on just go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txYxwmio7AU

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        August 23, 2016, 8:44 pm

        The notice of follow-up comments on this website has no worked for me for at least a year; I emailed everybody at Mondoweiss–Phil’s partner said he’d get it fixed, but no dice.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      August 20, 2016, 6:41 pm

      You can say it as many times as you wish. Perhaps it is a way of communicating that elections would not be worth winning if it had to be with votes from unmitigated morons and/or raving racists.

      • REALITY CHECK 101
        REALITY CHECK 101
        August 21, 2016, 4:16 pm

        Just to clarify (one more time, jeez…I thought we were a little more intuitive and insightful on this blog). I agree with the morons and racists characterization, but “perhaps” it’s also shooting yourself in the foot to spite your face. It’s a mixed metaphor but I think appropriate here. Nevertheless I will vote Stein/Baraka and advocate others do so as well.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        August 21, 2016, 6:27 pm

        Well, Reality Check, one more insight to be gained from this is that pitch-perfect impersonation (bravo!) sometimes presents intended irony as the braindead target itself, canceling the proverbial twinkle in the eye.
        As for spiting in your nose to cut your face, it ain’t necessarily so. The way honorable politicians work, each vote involves an obligation to said voter.

    • eljay
      eljay
      August 23, 2016, 8:03 am

      || REALITY CHECK 101: … Stein is obviously aware she can never be elected, otherwise she wouldn’t have chosen a running mate with the name Ajamu Baraka. …

      Hey…if you hated Barack Hussein Obama…you’re gonna love Ajamu Baraka. ||

      Too bad it wasn’t Obamu Baraka…or would that have been too obvious? ;-)

  14. JustJessetr
    JustJessetr
    August 21, 2016, 9:37 am

    Sorry to break up the love fest, but Turkey just reestablished diplomatic relations with Israel.

    Boycotting Israel: a strategy that doesn’t help a single Palestinian, and one where those who should care the most (fellow Arabs and Muslims) mostly ignore it.

    Keep up your losing strategy!

    • zaid
      zaid
      August 22, 2016, 1:46 am

      And they also broke the alliance with Saudi and is now inline with Iran.

  15. wfleitz
    wfleitz
    August 21, 2016, 8:09 pm

    Ajuma Baraka’s philosophy is very much descendant from Malcom X. I noticed that Cuomo tried to smear him with regard to his calling Obama an “Uncle Tom.” Actually that’s a direct reference to a great speech given my Malcom at Michigan State University in 1963. And I thought it was appropriate in the context that Malcom describes. The problem is that we have a political class that finds “name calling” of our political figures a much greater crime than say their violent behavior (in Obama’s case the use of drones and special forces to kill suspected “terrorists” while killing hundreds of civilians in his path).

    Here’s an excerpt:

    “So now you have a twentieth-century-type of house Negro. A twentieth-century Uncle Tom. He’s just as much an Uncle Tom today as Uncle Tom was 100 and 200 years ago. Only he’s a modern Uncle Tom. That Uncle Tom wore a handkerchief around his head. This Uncle Tom wears a top hat. He’s sharp. He dresses just like you do. He speaks the same phraseology, the same language. He tries to speak it better than you do. He speaks with the same accents, same diction. And when you say, “your army,” he says, “our army.” He hasn’t got anybody to defend him, but anytime you say “we” he says “we.” “Our president,” “our government,” “our Senate,” “our congressmen,” “our this and our that.” And he hasn’t even got a seat in that “our” even at the end of the line. So this is the twentieth-century Negro. Whenever you say “you,” the personal pronoun in the singular or in the plural, he uses it right along with you. When you say you’re in trouble, he says, “Yes, we’re in trouble.”

    http://ccnmtl.columbia.edu/projects/mmt/mxp/speeches/mxa17.html

  16. Atlantaiconoclast
    Atlantaiconoclast
    August 21, 2016, 9:22 pm

    I support boycott of Saudi Arabia too, but there is greater moral justification in boycotting “democratic” states (like Israel) that violate the rights of another people, than to boycott repressive states whose citizens have no say in the actions of their government. I am surprised more people don’t acknowledge this.

    • inbound39
      inbound39
      August 21, 2016, 10:31 pm

      The big problem with stating Israel is a democracy is that it clearly is not. It is an Apartheid state with one rule of law for Jews and another rule of law for Arabs and Arabs are under occupation in Palestine. No way on God’s Earth is Israel a Democracy. It’s a weeping pustule on the World’s Backside.

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      August 22, 2016, 11:27 am

      Sure Saudi citizens have a say. They could revolt. There’s been plenty of polling. Most Saudi citizens fully support the racist, misogynistic policies of their regime.

      • inbound39
        inbound39
        August 22, 2016, 6:40 pm

        So Hophmi what you are saying is they are like Israeli’s who fully support the racist, mysogynistic policies of their regime.

  17. eljay
    eljay
    August 22, 2016, 8:28 am

    … “Another follow on this is that Israel is not Saudi Arabia or Egypt,” Cuomo reminded the audience. “It certainly occupies a special alliance with the United States and supporters would argue faces an existential threat that others do not. Do you see Israel being a special ally and in a unique defensive position in that part of the world?” …

    Look, says Cuomo, the rapist isn’t a serial killer and, anyway, he has a special alliance with the police department. Let’s not badmouth him!

    • inbound39
      inbound39
      August 22, 2016, 6:35 pm

      What I love is Israel facing an existential threat. Israel chose freely to violate International Law and steal Palestinian Land outside its borders which is why Palestinians keep attacking Israel. If another nation kept stealing British land the British people would attack the thief. If America was having its land stolen they too would attack. Palestine is supposed to stand its people in an open paddock with no cover and allow Israeli’s to gun them down so Israeli’s can freely take their land and leave them homeless. America sees no reason to stop Israel from doing this and neither does Britain. Both nations fall over themselves giving Israel the weaponry to continue stealing the land and we as the global community at large are supposed to see that as okay because Zionism says so…….It is a very sick ask. Zionism has perverted the Governments of US and UK.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        August 23, 2016, 8:29 pm

        Yep. We could use the old cancer metaphor, but we won’t.

      • eljay
        eljay
        August 24, 2016, 7:40 am

        || inbound39: … Zionism has perverted the Governments of US and UK. ||

        It’s a shame that the politicians and bureaucrats of those governments were and continue to be so eager to embrace the perversion.

  18. biggerjake
    biggerjake
    August 22, 2016, 10:34 am

    It is refreshing to hear an American politician actually make statements like: “sponsoring a very hostile military policy that violates international law, that doesn’t do us any favors.” but to my mind she is too restrained.

    It’s not good enough to say it “doesn’t do us any favors.” What needs to be said is that Israel is a terrorist state and a racist apartheid state that is committing crimes against humanity on a daily basis and has been conducting a slow and calculated genocide against the Palestinian people.

    What we need is to elect someone who speaks truth to power in no uncertain terms like George Galloway or even Miko Peled.

    The United States should not only stop giving aid to Israel, it should start giving money and weapons to Palestine. It is the extreme imbalance in power that makes the situation so dangerous. If Israel is to be allowed to have nuclear weapons, so should the Palestinians… which actually means Israel should be forced to give up their nukes.

  19. ADCvet
    ADCvet
    August 23, 2016, 1:14 am

    ‘Special relationship” Stein would be no better than the past US Presidents..probably worse.
    As for Baraka, what kind of person would spout his rhetoric and then sign on to the Green Party’s
    closet Sanderite shuffle? Only another fake Demo Party ‘ethnic’

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