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The splintering of the American Jewish consensus on Israel continues apace. Liberal Zionists are organizing against Trump, and finding themselves in coalition with anti-Zionists. Rightwing Zionists are backing Trump to the hilt, and aligning with settlers/racists/nationalists of all description.

This week rightwing Rabbi Shmuley Boteach tweeted a photograph of himself with Trump strategist Steve Bannon, inviting widespread scorn. Bannon is an “incredible Zionist,” who “loves Israel,” vouches Jared Kushner, the president-elect’s son-in law (who had me fired ten years ago).

So what. Bannon’s other social values are repugnant to liberal Zionists. J Street is petitioning against Bannon’s appointment. And Peace Now is protesting the decision by the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, of which it is a member, to hold its Hanukkah party in a Trump hotel this coming Wednesday in partnership with Azerbaijan. The Forward reports that eight groups, all stalwart Zionist, will boycott the party.

So Trump is doing what even Netanyahu could not do: shatter the Jewish establishment monolith in the United States. I appealed to Peace Now to break with the Conference of Presidents again and again in the past over settlements and the Iran deal. They didn’t say a word. Though now Peace Now’s leaders tell us they did so privately: “Dear Stephen [Greenberg] and Malcolm [Hoenlein]… We have communicated with you many times in the past about the need to seek consensus among CoP members regarding sensitive decisions and positions.”

The argument is public as never before. On Thursday night on CNN, Don Lemon had to break up a fight between Boteach and Peter Beinart and a Jewish Trump supporter named Andy Dean. All these guys support Israel, but they were at each others’ throats. Dean called Jonathan Greenblatt of the Anti Defamation League a “far left guy” for his criticisms of Steve Bannon. And called the ADL a “far left group.” Even though the ADL opposes Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS), and has vilified Keith Ellison, it’s far left?

Beinart countered that the reason the ADL opposes Bannon is that it’s “concerned about misogyny, racism and Islamophobia.”

Message: Jews care about other values besides Israel. “I wouldn’t accuse Steve Bannon of being an anti-Semite,” Beinart said. He noted that at his former perch at Breitbart news, Bannon ran a racist piece praising the Confederate flag, ran demeaning articles about women, and anti-Muslim pieces, too. I’m with Beinart on this. There’s no real evidence that Bannon is anti-Semitic, and plenty of evidence that he doesn’t like Muslims. (In this Vatican speech in 2014 he spoke of “long history of the Judeo-Christian struggle against Islam.” He has praised Israel and run lots of pro-Israel articles. It’s become common on the left now to refer to Steve Bannon as an anti-Semite, with reference to the famous Trump ad that pictured George Soros, Janet Yellen and Lloyd Blankfein, among others, as part of Clinton’s global elite that is hurting ordinary Americans. I’m not convinced. Part of the price of taking prominent positions is getting pictured in populist ads.)

Back to my point. The CNN argument shows the shattering of the Jewish establishment brought on by Trump. Peace Now and Beinart too are now aligned with non-Zionist voices Jewish Voice for Peace and IfNotNow over Trump. This breakup of consensus will no doubt lead in time to anti-Zionists getting a hearing in the mainstream. And it could have repercussions in Israel too. So Trump is bad for the Israel lobby, as Yakov Hirsch keeps saying.



P.S. Boteach is trying to kosher Bannon the same way that he once koshered Samantha Power with pro-Israel groups, so that she could become ambassador to the United Nations. He promoted Charlize Theron and Sean Penn in those days too. But I reckon his magic dust won’t work the way it used to.

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  1. Mooser
    December 11, 2016, 2:08 pm

    Good move, Rabbi Boteach! You can depend on Steve Bannon!

    Doesn’t that photo look like each can feel the point of the other’s knife against their back?

    • Maghlawatan
      December 12, 2016, 10:14 am

      Reminded me of Kastner

    • Lillian Rosengarten
      Lillian Rosengarten
      December 12, 2016, 11:46 am

      Boteach is a master manipulator who cannot listen to anyone but himself. He pontificates and leaves no room for a true conversation. In my view he is a dangerous spreader of lies and distortion. He should be ashamed ,as a Jew , as a man of faith to support an occupying, racist and genocidal regime that pretends to be a democracy. As for Eli Weisel, tragically he forgot about the suffering Palestinians and turned a deaf ear to the crimes of Zionism. Boteach will never speak for Jews who truly defend human rights and call for the liberation of Palestinians. I am appalled by the words Boteach rants to defend an occupying regime that continues to commit the grossest of war crimes and is devoid of humanity. Boteach’s words and righteous manner cause me to cringe with disgust!

  2. peterfeld
    December 11, 2016, 3:34 pm

    Great that all these Zionists are fighting with each other in public but this is a dismal situation. They’re fighting over Bannon, not Israel. For the ADL to be defended by Beinart for opposing misogyny (but not Israeli govt rape culture), racism (but they’re slandering Ellison) and Islamophobia (but they’re fighting to ban campus speech critical of Israel – and they opposed the lower Manhattan Islamic Center) is a travesty, we need to defund the ADL. And if Bannon isn’t an anti-Semite (his site’s pro-Israel content certainly doesn’t clarify that he isn’t, since anti-Semites have no problem supporting Israel), he runs a site that’s a magnet for anti-Semites.

    • Maghlawatan
      December 12, 2016, 6:37 am

      Dead right about the ADL. It can give it in Israel but it can’t take it in the US.

  3. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    December 11, 2016, 4:32 pm

    “Part of the price of taking prominent positions is getting pictured in populist ads”. ( the alliteration is nice, but)
    1. Do you think it was mere coincidence that three jews were chosen to be pictured.
    2. If not, then what do you mean? If you see it as purposeful, you seem to be saying that a little jew hatred is the price paid for climbing the ladder too ambitiously.

    Regarding this commercial, considering the fact that 90 to 99% of the viewers could not identify the people depicted nor to identify them as jews, the commercial was not meant to incite hatred in the masses of viewers. It was meant as a message to a particular group of jewhaters. The message, “I am of your side.”
    The wink and nod is too subtle to matter to idiots like Boteach, so beinart is right to emphasize the blatant stuff rather than the subtle stuff.

    • Keith
      December 11, 2016, 9:49 pm

      YONAH FREDMAN- “It was meant as a message to a particular group of jewhaters.”

      Does one have to be a Jew hater to oppose the policies of the Federal Reserve? The power and actions of Goldman Sachs (the archetypal Wall Street financial predator)? The currency speculations of George Soros, the actions of his Open Society Foundation? Soros is strongly associated with the Democratic Party and their anti-Trump protests. Is Trump anti-Semitic to show Democrats and not Republicans? Can you come up with three alternate Wall Street insiders who are well known and associated with the Democrats? Three iconic figures associated with Wall Street and the Democrats appear for a total of 5 to 6 seconds total in a 2 minute ad and you claim anti-Semitism? You are a typical Jewish Zionist with your never-ending search for anti-Semitism.

      • hophmi
        December 12, 2016, 8:34 am

        Still don’t know why Keith is still allowing to post on a site where antisemitism is alleging not permitted.

      • Mooser
        December 12, 2016, 11:10 am

        “Still don’t know why Keith is still allowing to post on a site where antisemitism is alleging not permitted.”

        Uh-oh, sounds like the Russians hacked “Hophmi”. In Russia, comments write you!

      • amigo
        December 12, 2016, 11:58 am

        Still don’t know why Keith is still allowing to post on a site where antisemitism is alleging not permitted. “Hopknee.

        Poor Hoppy ,desperately seeking antisemitism .

        He seeks it here , he seeks it there.That zionist seeks it everywhere.Is it in heaven , is it in hell .He seeks so hard he can no longer spell.

      • biggerjake
        December 12, 2016, 12:57 pm

        Nothing is more despicable than calling legitimate criticism of Israel and legitimate criticism of certain people (who may be Jews) anti-Semitism.

        It is in fact a form of fascism: a devious attempt to abridge the right to free speech.

        It is also racist because it puts one group above all others. The implication is that they can do no wrong and no one has a right to criticize them.

        Authors have been labeled as anti-Semitic when they note similarities between the brutal violence of Israel and that of Nazi Germany.
        From Israel’s Dead Soul:
        “To deem such comparisons anti-Semitic creates an ethical framework in which inordinate violence can be justified as an act of justice. ”

        Judith Butler says this of the charge of “anti-Semitism” for criticizing Israel or Zionism:
        “The charge refuses to consider the view, debate its validity, consider its forms of evidence, and derive a sound conclusion on the basis of listening to reason. The charge is not only an attack on persons who hold views that some find objectionable, but it is an attack on reasonable exchange, on the very possibility of listening and speaking in a context where one might actually consider what another has to say.”

        If anti-Semitism is disallowed, then the manipulative and deceitful labeling of legitimate criticism as “anti-Semitism” must be disallowed as well…

      • RoHa
        December 12, 2016, 6:51 pm

        “Judith Butler says …”

        Exactly. I have to agree with her because I’ve said the same thing, often, right here on MW. And I generalise to all ideologically based charges, including “racist”, “not in line with Party doctrine”, “Marxist”, and (most damning of all) “unfashionable”.

      • gamal
        December 12, 2016, 8:00 pm

        “And I generalise to all ideologically based charges”

        Roha resurgent.

        It starts with generalisation but it leads to essentialisation and the inevitable “offence”.

        America post racial to ante bellum in a heart beat, what portfolios will the Kardashians be getting in the Trumphouse,

        America “you’re fired”

      • Keith
        December 12, 2016, 9:26 pm

        HOPHMI-“Still don’t know why Keith is still allowing to post on a site where antisemitism is alleging not permitted.”

        You are being disingenuous. Mondoweiss bans the old style anti-Semitism defined as hatred of Jews because they are Jews, something which obviously does not apply to me. You, however, are concerned with the new anti-Semitism defined as not 100% supportive of Israel and Zionist power-seeking. Since Mondoweiss is anti-Zionist, they obviously don’t intend to ban themselves as you allege. Having you ever considered abandoning your irrational fundamentalist attitudes? And, while I hesitate to bring it up, your focus on me in particular suggests some sort of unsavory fixation. I’m sure Freud had a name for it. Perhaps Mooser recalls what it is, having observed your shortcomings for many years.

      • Mooser
        December 13, 2016, 11:47 am

        “Keith” I assure you, I haven’t got the slightest interest in “dabakr” ‘pulling it off’ and a team of wild horses couldn’t drag me away to observe “Hophmi’s” ‘shortcomings’.
        Please wish that bum voyeurage on somebody else. I’m just a normal guy, who puts his pants on over one head at a time,

  4. Keith
    December 11, 2016, 4:40 pm

    Even before reading the article I felt the need to comment on the picture. How would you like to open the door Halloween night and see these two guys standing there? I mean Jeez.

  5. Maghlawatan
    December 11, 2016, 5:24 pm

    Breitbart is about white power and the end justifies the means. There was vile harassment of Jewish journos during the election. Trump is like a Venus Fly trap for Zionists. The trap works by luring in insect Schmucks via nectar which for Zionists is power and then entrapping them so they can be eaten. Zionists will worship power even if it means schmoozing with Nazis. It is an old movie and throwing Jews under buses has a long history. Israel is the least safe place for Jews in the wored.

  6. JWalters
    December 11, 2016, 7:15 pm

    “If you take a Nobel Peace laureat, and the face of the six million, and you say that he’s covering over Jewish occupation and atrocities, you’re … “ [interrupted by moderator] Boteach to Beinart at 5:30 in the article’s video.

    Since Boteach brings up the subject of alleged Israeli occupation and atrocities, and clearly holds a different view than Beinart, it would be logical for CNN to host a debate between the two on this point. And since this is such a FUNDAMENTAL difference, such a debate would be a GREAT public service.

  7. ckg
    December 11, 2016, 7:40 pm

    On point as always, Phil.

  8. Steve Grover
    Steve Grover
    December 11, 2016, 8:48 pm

    “On Thursday night on CNN, Don Lemon had to break up a fight between Boteach and Peter Beinart and a Jewish Trump supporter named Andy Dean. All these guys support Israel, but they were at each others’ throats. Dean called Jonathan Greenblatt of the Anti Defamation League a “far left guy” for his criticisms of Steve Bannon. And called the ADL a “far left group.” Even though the ADL opposes Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS), and has vilified Keith Ellison, it’s far left?”

    Didn’t seem like they were at each others throat. They seemed pretty respectful to each other though they each seemed like they wanted to get more air time than the other in the limited time.

    Had Lemon asked them what do you all think of Phil Weiss? They would each call him an idiot and fight each other to see who could say it louder and take up more time saying it.

    • James North
      James North
      December 11, 2016, 9:37 pm

      Mooser: Your sock puppet is getting a little more creative. Of course Don Lemon would ask Boteach and Beinart what they thought of Phil Weiss — it’s a perfectly likely question. Next your sock puppet will have Lemon asking what his on-air guests think of Mooser.

      • Mooser
        December 12, 2016, 11:16 am

        “Mooser: Your sock puppet is getting a little more creative.”

        Told you before, “North”, I won’t be held responsible for the things I say when I’m blackout drunk and signed in to my sock-puppet account! You’re not in loco parentheses to me.

        So I have a sociopathetic alter ego, deal with it.

  9. Keith
    December 11, 2016, 9:20 pm

    PHIL- “It’s become common on the left now to refer to Steve Bannon as an anti-Semite, with reference to the famous Trump ad that pictured George Soros, Janet Yellen and Lloyd Blankfein, among others, as part of Clinton’s global elite that is hurting ordinary Americans.”

    It is highly indicative of Zionist paranoia that an anti-Hillary attack ad of 2 minutes which featured three power brokers who happened to be Jewish for 2 seconds each could be even remotely anti-Semitic. Hell, most folks who saw the ad probably didn’t even recognize who these three were much less their ethnicity. Does being Jewish entitle someone to invisibility? It is anti-Semitic to show the Chairman of the Federal Reserve? To show a currency speculator, regime change activist and Democratic power broker? To show the chairman of the notorious Goldman Sachs (aka vampire squid)? The person with the most face time was Hillary, with Bill second. Does this make it an anti-Gentile ad? And just how “Jewish” are Janet Yellen, Lloyd Blankfein and George Soros? Are they deeply religious? Or is the criteria for their “Jewishness” the same as used by the Nazis and Zionists? In a sane society, the notion that this particular ad was anti-Semitic would be greeted with much deserved ridicule.

    As an aside, I couldn’t finish watching the video with Shmuley Boteach. This guy is so right wing and out of touch with reality that Steven Bannon’s reputation will only suffer by association with this Zionist zealot.

    • Maghlawatan
      December 11, 2016, 11:28 pm

      That ad was a warning from Bannon that the power was shifting. Bannon wants to build a 50 year Reich to maintain a white majority . And it won’t be hopey changey liberal. He wanted to make that clear to the tikkun olam aren’t we so wonderful working in culture and the media Jews. You have to choose.

      Bannon wants a different style of leadership at the Fed. The picture of Blankfein was political theatre because Trump has appointed 2 Goldman people to senior positions. Bannon knows moneyed Zionists hate being exposed to the light.

      Trump promised to drain the swamp in that video. He actually has been adding his own Citizens United gators to the swamp sInce he won but that is how power works. No hard feelings.

      Bannon is not interested in a Jewish tent where everyone is Jewish and everyone supports Israel, all the way from ADL to ZOA He sets the rules. You are pro Trump and pro Israel. You can’t identify as liberal to be in the club.

      Players like Boteach are moths driven to the light of power.
      Trump is all about tax cuts for the rich. In 2001 the GOP slashed taxes. It cushioned the blow of the 911 crash. But when Lehman collapsed in 2008 the cupboard was bare and the US had to run a deficit of 10% to stabilise things.
      With Trump’s tax cuts there will be zero margin if the economy crashes again. The US will not be able to run a deficit of 20%. Nobody will fund it.

      The Zionists will be lashed to this regime. Bannon will throw Jews to the wolves if it makes political sense after the scale of the Trump betrayal registers in Hillbilly country.
      This is the lesson of the 30s when economies collapse. The Zionist power play collapses too. Last time the Zionists saved people like the Bratslav rabbi and Kastner’s friends. The story for individual Jews is you will be on your own. Maybe Iran will offer asylum when the Zionist house of cards goes tits up.

  10. AddictionMyth
    December 11, 2016, 10:43 pm

    It’s really funny watching the fissures form and grow. Jews are having to defend modern day Hitlers – Trump and Netanyahu. It’s getting increasingly funny and absurd. Some other issues they are splitting on are Ellison, Bannon, and hate speech laws. Would be fun to do a chart on stance. For example, Dersh and ADL oppose Ellison but are split on Bannon/Trump. Beinart opposes Trump but also constantly satires the Constitution on The Atlantic – by calling it the ‘holy book’ in his interview with Glenn Beck (“Glen Beck apologizes for bringing on Trump much like I apologized for supporting the Iraq War”) and saying that the electoral college was meant to protect us from Trump (as if electors would not be as easily corrupted).

    So yeah, everyone’s messed up but they are spiraling towards the truth (vindication of the Constitution and free speech). Fear certainly trains the senses. Pretty funny.

  11. Marnie
    December 12, 2016, 12:53 am

    Trump made a strong statement wrt Castro – “Fidel Castro is Dead!” Wow, what strength.

    Steve Bannon is great because he’s good for the only ‘democracy’ in the middle east.

    “The united states has done nothing about Syria, Aleppo”. This faux concern over Syria by a vicious zionist hack is about as authentic as the fund raisers in dixieland and other parts of amerikkka for the poor, starving African children, all the while making laws that continue to suffocate and deprive African Americans of their rights as Americans FFS.

    Boteach is very difficult to hear and look at, but he’d make a wonderful garden gnome.

  12. Jackdaw
    December 12, 2016, 7:25 am

    I’m more interested in knowing why Jared Kushner shit-canned Phil.

    • DaBakr
      December 13, 2016, 5:21 am


      oh, but PW bears “no malice” whatsoever to kushner. he just mentions that kushner shit-canned him every single chance he gets . soon we crazy ‘zio-nazis’ are going after kushner as an ‘anti-semite’ for firing pw and allowing him to launch his israeli hate-site with AH.

      • Mooser
        December 13, 2016, 5:49 pm

        .” soon we crazy ‘zio-nazis’ are going after kushner”

        I note you keep using that appellation, “zio-nazi”, to describe yourself,”Dabakr”. It appeals to you?

      • annie
        December 13, 2016, 6:38 pm

        bakr keeps making up stories, it’s the only way he can get attention.

        jack, phil has told his story numerous times. he had a column, at the newspaper before kushner bought it. as i recall, when he started it wasn’t focused on israel, which wasn’t on his radar very much at the time. his good friend peter kaplan was the editor whom he wrote about here

        Mondoweiss was his idea; he said I had to write about whatever was on my mind. He thereby granted me freedom to obsess; and before long that became Jewish identity and neoconservatism and Zionism, and six months after the site started Peter sent me out to Israel and Palestine for the first time in my life.

        big gap then:

        This website was gone after a year at the Observer. A rightwing Zionist bought the paper and Peter tried to protect me but he couldn’t. It ended with another of our closed door meetings. “We’re going to have a grown-up conversation,” Peter said. As if all the others were conversations in which he played the paternalist editor.

        i mean, for all we know, kushner could have bought the paper just to get rid of phil’s damn column ;)

      • annie
        December 13, 2016, 6:52 pm

        here’s one of phil’s columns recently linked to and cited by Yair Rosenberg at tablet:

        Rosenberg: This 1999 piece did not appear in some fringe neo-Nazi outlet, or in a pro-Trump alt-right forum, but in the New York Observer. Its author? Phil Weiss.

        rosenberg doesn’t like phil’s column, and apparently neither did kushner. the reason why? probably it relates to what phil discusses in his column, and here…

        I’m breaking the rules here; it’s never cricket for Jews to talk openly about Jewish power. As proud as Jews are of their success, they don’t like to self-identify. “There is a Congressional black caucus, not a Congressional Jewish caucus,” Mr. Silverfarb points out. Jews downplay their influence in part because they don’t take it for granted, indeed they fear that such identification will unleash anti-Semitism and bring their so-far-brief success dream to a violent end. Remember when Alan Dershowitz justly blasted Bob Barr for talking about “real Americans”?

        But Mr. Dershowitz got hysterical, a sign that those fears are overblown. And the refusal to talk about Jewish power is a sign of immaturity, drawing on the nostalgic belief that we are still outsiders. It’s a lot more stirring to be outsiders, but it’s a sociological delusion. Wake up. How many Ivy League presidents are Jewish? Mrs. Broaddrick, fearful of being destroyed as other Clinton women were, forced to lobby NBC to tell her story, slimed by The Times, is actually an American outsider.

        tsk tsk tsk. so maybe somebody thought buying the paper would shut phil up. see how that turned out?

      • echinococcus
        December 13, 2016, 7:37 pm

        I note you keep using that appellation, “zio-nazi”, to describe yourself,”Dabakr”.

        I’m sure he doesn’t enjoy it at all, Mooser.
        It’s just that he seems to have a strong liking for always using the mot juste. All to his eternal credit.

    • Mooser
      December 13, 2016, 12:54 pm

      “I’m more interested in knowing why Jared Kushner shit-canned Phil.”

      1. Phil rode his racing bike to work on his first day, wearing Spandex bike togs, causing a mistaken report that Adonis had re-appeared in midtown Manhattan.

      Gosh, we should do a “Top Ten”!

  13. Misterioso
    December 12, 2016, 12:09 pm

    Food for thought:

    “Iran and Boeing Sign $16.6 Billion Deal on Sale of 80 Aircraft” – New York Times, Dec. 12/16


    “The sale includes 50 twin-jet, narrow-body 737 planes and 30 long-range, wide-body 777 aircraft. The first airplanes are scheduled for delivery in 2018, with the entire order being fulfilled over 10 years.

    “In a statement, Boeing said the deal would support tens of thousands of American jobs directly associated with production and delivery of the airplanes, and nearly 100,000 jobs in the broader aerospace industry in the United States.”

    Given the huge number of resulting American jobs and spin-offs and Trump’s stated objective of putting Americans back to work, the possible implications are obvious, beginning with a very unhappy Israel.

    Who knows? But well worth keeping an eye on.

    • amigo
      December 12, 2016, 2:12 pm

      “Given the huge number of resulting American jobs and spin-offs and Trump’s stated objective of putting Americans back to work, the possible implications are obvious, beginning with a very unhappy Israel.”misterioso

      Not to worry , nuttyahoo already addressing this issue.

      “‘There are ways, various ways of undoing it,’ Netanyahu says on ’60 Minutes.’ Contradicting his remarks from before deal was signed, prime minister says nixing deal won’t spur Iran to rush toward bomb.

      Since he became prime minister in April 2009 and particularly in the year before the deal between Iran and world powers was signed in July 2015, Netanyahu has warned dozens of times against Iran’s intention of attaining nuclear weapons. Netanyahu even warned before the deal was signed that the Iranians were close to having enough moderately enriched uranium to enable them to rush toward a bomb quickly, once they make that decision.

      On “60 Minutes,” Netanyahu reversed his position. He claimed that if the nuclear deal is canceled Iran will not rush toward nuclear weapons. He stressed that even before the deal, Iran was deterred from making such a breakout. “I think Iran didn’t rush to the bomb before there was a deal… because they were afraid of retribution,” he told Stahl. ”

      I see Trump giving bibi the boot if he f—s with the US chances of acquiring such a deal. Israel,s image will definitely plummet if 10,s of thousands of jobs go to the UK or France or dare I say i t—Russia.

      Keep up the good work bibi.The US,s bestest friend.

      • Misterioso
        December 12, 2016, 4:46 pm

        Good comment.

        As I see it, Trump will not cancel the deal between Boeing and Iran. To do so would blatantly violate his primary public commitment, i.e., get Americans back to work. I am also convinced that a major rift between the Zionists and the millions of American common folk whose votes put Trump in power is on the horizon.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 12, 2016, 10:41 pm

        Zionism needs to grow up. It cannot control the Middle East via the IDF and a compliant Congress. It has to live in the real world. Thomas Friedman can get Israel to suck on that . Iran has huge investment needs andthe US needs its market.

  14. Mooser
    December 12, 2016, 12:20 pm

    “I’m more interested in knowing why Jared Kushner shit-canned Phil.”

    Get in touch with Kushner, why don’t you? Maybe he’ll give you the sicarii contract.

  15. amigo
    December 12, 2016, 12:24 pm

    “I’m more interested in knowing why Jared Kushner shit-canned Phil. ” jackduh

    You should get out more often jackduh.

    Btw , you should thank Kushner for unwittingly creating MONDOWEISS.

  16. Ossinev
    December 12, 2016, 12:33 pm

    Here in the Uk we don`t have the overt Fifth Column Israeli Firsters like the gruesome Boteach but the Jewish/Zionist/Israel Lobby are still desperately trying to stifle criticism of their beloved Light unto the Nations in the face of BDS and growing disgust at Israels growing brutality and Apartheid practices.

    The British PM who is a leading “Friend of Israel” and who , judging by her comments thinks that the sun shines out of the Land of Creation`s backside.,has decided that the huge increase in Islamophobia, Anti- Eastern European bigotry and attacks etc etc are small fry and on the face of it inconsequential compared with the “rise in Anti Semitism” which surprise surprise as usual jumps to the front of the queue and is currently in the process of pushing a “definition of Anti Semitism bill through the UK parliament.
    The fact that the “increase” is almost completely down to use of internet paging ( ie it is the same old Nazi freaks only they are now regularly posting on line and yes they hate Muslims and Blacks just as much if not more than they hate Jews) is blithely ignored. Behind it all of course is the Israel Lobby ( May is a member Of the Friends of Israel and actually thinks that it is a Light unto the Nations as opposed to a Blight unto the Nations) There is also political gain in keeping alive ludicrous claims that the Labour Party has an entrenched Anti – Semitic problem to further undermine what once was the UK Opposition Party – this is still alive as much as anything due to the fact that Jeremy Corbyn is a useless wimp who simply hasn`t got what it takes to shoot it down in flames.

    As for the bill itself and the definition it appears that it will not include criticism of Israel or criticism of Zionism as being ” anti – Semitic” as appears to be happening with proposed legislation in the uS viz “the Anti Semitic Awareness Act”. This is a sign perhaps of the Conservatives recognising that they may be going out on a limb on this one. Still will be interesting to see challenges to it emerging. For starters perhaps a clarification of the term “Semite” would be in order – so does it include all those millions of genetic Semites eg the Palestinian Muslims/Christians and other Arabs. And why should it include all those Americans/Europeans / Russians etc etc who are not genetically Semite. Thus the bill arguably if it makes legal sense or has a viable legal anchor should be aimed at defining “Anti – Judaism” or “Anti – Judaistic”. This may stir up some serious legal mud.

    Or have Zionists got a world wide legal patent/trademark on the term Anti – Semitism ?

    Interesting times ahead.

    • Maghlawatan
      December 12, 2016, 1:18 pm

      They can buy legislation but they can’t stop Zionism losing all public support. Israel won’t exist much lonGer given current dynamics. Economy is stagnant. YESHA grows by 7% a year in costs. The Orthodox do not work. They are tryin to ban reform and conservative from the western wall. Israel runs apartheid. It will all collapse all by its little self .

    • echinococcus
      December 12, 2016, 1:59 pm

      Look, it is in large part our fault, too.

      If we are talking about discriminatio/hostility against any persons for the sole fact of having been born “Jewish”, whatever that is, it is despicable. More importantly, in common civilized parlance it is plain racism, period. It does not deserve a special category of its own if directed against People of “J.” Origin any more than racism against Blacks, Serbs or Scots.

      Anything directed against perceived or real or imagined characteristics acquired later in life or that can be consciously shed is perfectly legitimate –repressing it, be it ever so ill-advised as a criticism in anyone’s judgment, is still a fascist attempt against free speech.

      Everytime we are complicit to the use of “antisemitism, not otherwise specified” or admit the existence of such a beast, we are complicit, period. “Racism” is plenty good enough as a term.

  17. amigo
    December 12, 2016, 8:24 pm

    Schumley Boteach is gathering his 2 billion congregation to destroy Boeing !!!.

    “That’s why I was so sorely disappointed to see Boeing selling its soul for $17 billion to Iran. This is blood money, and Boeing knows “.SB

    Read more at ,

    • Maghlawatan
      December 12, 2016, 10:43 pm

      Blood money and blood libel. Zionism loves throwing big terms around. The whiniest, neediest ideology in the world.

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