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Sarah Silverman stands by Ahed Tamimi: ‘Do you wonder where her rage comes from?’

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After comedian Sarah Silverman called last week for people “to stand up” for imprisoned Palestinian teen Ahed Tamimi, she quickly encountered a barrage of feedback that lasted through the weekend. Some applauded, some criticized, some sought to educate Silverman, who has a history of supporting groups opposed to Israel’s occupation.

The comic retweeted a call from Amnesty International for Tamimi to be freed from jail, two months after she slapped a soldier.

In the backlash, journalist Noah Pollak accused Silverman of “narcissistic Hollywood political posturing at its vilest and most ignorant” while pro-Israel activist Chloé Valdary wrote to Silverman, Tamimi is from a “notorious terrorist-supporting family.”

Silverman reacted with,

“Ok, friend. But may I ask, do you wonder why she has done this? And where her rage comes from? And might we see ourselves in her in any way?”

Tamimi, 17, was arrested last December 19 in the early morning hours at her family home in the West Bank village of Nabi Saleh. She has since been indicted on five counts of assault and incitement. Her case has gained prominence because supporters say the teen is subject to an unfair Israeli military court system that issues harsh sentences to Palestinians.

In the actual incident that led to Tamimi’s arrest, the petite teen on December 15 shouted at an Israeli soldier entering her family’s property, “Get out or I’ll punch you,” and then slapped him. The encounter, which followed the shooting of Tamimi’s cousin Mohammed that day, in Jerusalem-related protests, was filmed by Ahed Tamimi’s mother Nariman, and the two shared the footage on social media, which landed them both additional charges of incitement.

Silverman is the latest with a high profile to back Tamimi. Earlier this month 27 celebrities signed a letter seeking Tamimi’s release. But Silverman stands apart by being the most well-known of the supporters with ties to Israel, through both family and support to liberal causes. Her older sister Susan Silverman is a prominent rabbi in Israel and campaigner most known for calling for an egalitarian prayer section at the Western Wall in the Old City– including in many demonstrations.

Sarah Silverman has twice performed in the Jewish state. In one of her shows she mentioned Palestinians must wait in long lines at checkpoints in order to enter Israel. Last year she contributed to a Passover Hagadah that called to end Israel’s occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem. In the 2012 and 2015 elections in Israel she endorsed the Meretz party, a left-wing group that is opposed to Israel’s occupation (and current Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu) and calls for the creation of a Palestinian state. Her views have been shared over social media for years. As late as last December, she set her Twitter location to “state of Palestine.”

In the Twitter-storm over Tamimi, Silverman reposted a list of organizations that back Palestinian rights, and an article by the left-Jewish group IfNotNow that criticizes Zionism. IfNotNow invited her to attend a meeting with them in-person in Los Angeles.

Here’s a screen shot of part of a text exchange Silverman had with fellow comedian Jen Jajah:

At one point Silverman posted, “I keep thinking about what @DaveChappelle says in “The Bird Revelation” about South Africa, Steven Biko, and how the end of apartheid should have been a blood bath but wasn’t, and why.”

None of this kept her from being called vile and a supporter of terrorism.

Though she has gotten support.

 

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  1. Citizen
    Citizen
    February 20, 2018, 2:50 am

    If you have not already, go to Sarah Silverman’s Twitter account and read the intense flack she is getting for standing up for Ahed Tamimi. Both need all the help of any kind you can give, even if its just a comment less RT.

  2. eljay
    eljay
    February 20, 2018, 7:26 am

    My respect for Ms. Silverman increases.

    • eljay
      eljay
      February 20, 2018, 7:39 am

      The question posed to Ms. Silverman by @ThisOngoingWar is typical Zionist deflection. Ahlam Tamimi’s crime did not and does not justify any of the past and on-going (war) crimes committed deliberately and with impunity by Zionists in geographic Palestine.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      February 20, 2018, 10:27 am

      @eljay

      ME TOO!! BRAVA SARAH SILVERMAN!!!

      The incident leading to Ahed’s arrest, her imprisonment and pending trial further confirm how completely f***ed up the entity known as “Israel” is. I’m at a loss for words. The good news is that “Israel” is digging its grave.

    • tontitonti
      tontitonti
      February 22, 2018, 8:26 am

      Thanks . I agree with you.

  3. Marnie
    Marnie
    February 20, 2018, 9:13 am

    The flack she’s getting from so-called jews is disgusting. They are epitomizing everything jews are supposed to fight against – injustice, hatred, racism, etc., etc. Ms. Silverman is standing tall to each and every one of the trolls on her twitter page – not with anger, vulgarity, hatred, but honesty and integrity and that mirror she is holding up for them so they can see how awful hatred looks.

  4. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    February 20, 2018, 11:37 am

    Yeshayahu Leibowitz foresaw the moral and political dangers involved in the occupation. The occupation Leibowitz objected to was the military occupation, even before it gained its settler aspect. Ahed Tamimi lives in Nabi Saleh and the occupation she confronts is a settler occupation; the settlement Halamish nearby has taken Nabi Saleh’s well or spring and this has been the core of the protests. The settler occupation, because it establishes two sets of laws, one for the settlers and another for the Palestinians, is particularly wrong, establishing a two tier system of citizens and noncitizens.

    Ahed Tamimi was arrested for a slap and essentially arrested because of her refusal to kowtow to the occupation and because her refusal was caught on camera and incited Israeli politicians against her. Her age and appearance makes her arrest into a cause celebre.
    Her politics and the politics of the Tamimi clan is not pure. But her politics need not be purely nonviolent to make her arrest into an embarrassment and a symptom of the inevitable offense of a settler occupation.

    I wish Sara Silverman strength in her new role as unofficial leader of the liberal Zionist opposition to the occupation. I advise her to watch videos of Yeshayahu Leibowitz (and get her sister to translate them for her). His personality and appearance and raw heat will get a chuckle from Ms. Silverman and might give her strength.

    • eljay
      eljay
      February 20, 2018, 12:19 pm

      || yonah fredman: Yeshayahu Leibowitz foresaw the moral and political dangers involved in the occupation. The occupation Leibowitz objected to was the military occupation, even before it gained its settler aspect. Ahed Tamimi lives in Nabi Saleh and the occupation she confronts is a settler occupation …

      Ahed Tamimi was arrested for a slap and essentially arrested because of her refusal to kowtow to the occupation and because her refusal was caught on camera and incited Israeli politicians against her. Her age and appearance makes her arrest into a cause celebre.
      Her politics and the politics of the Tamimi clan is not pure. But her politics need not be purely nonviolent to make her arrest into an embarrassment and a symptom of the inevitable offense of a settler occupation. … ||

      Ms. Tamimi confronts a colonialist occupation empowered and defended by a military occupation sanctioned and supported by a colonialist and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” regime fuelled and driven by an unjust and immoral ideology.

      It’s amazing – but not surprising – to watch Zionists waffle and squirm and ultimately fail to admit that evil committed by Jews is still evil.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 20, 2018, 1:05 pm

        ” Her politics and the politics of the Tamimi clan is not pure.”

        Tell us about “pure” Zionism, “yonah”. Oh, and tell us about “the purity of arms”. Not the kind of impure arms that slap.

    • amigo
      amigo
      February 20, 2018, 2:23 pm

      Yonah , can,t you get the word “Illegal ” Settler Occupation /aspect blah blah blah onto the screen.

      So much for your pure politics.

      Ahed , Tammini is worth any 1000 zionists ,.She is pure , zionists are quite the opposite .

      She is brave , zionists are cowards.

      Reading your comments , (you being an unabashed apologist for the zionist entity ) about the purity of her politics is puke inducing.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        February 20, 2018, 5:58 pm

        Leibowitz’ remarks were indeed prophetic.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      February 21, 2018, 12:01 am

      “Her politics and the politics of the Tamimi clan is not pure. But her politics need not be purely nonviolent to make her arrest into an embarrassment and a symptom of the inevitable offense of a settler occupation. …”

      What politics are you talking about? And not pure? Compared to what Yonah? A roast suckling pig is more pure than any zionist. This isn’t political, it’s human rights, plain and simple. You and the people you make excuses for are political; that’s where the money is. Human rights aren’t ‘political’, only evil men and women make the rights of those they deem ‘others’ make human rights a political game. Is clean drinking water political? How about continuing to live on land that your family has lived on for generations – is that political? It’s all a game with you political folks where what is right doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have a political party and the kind of muscle a lot of money can buy is involved. Shame on you. I think Sarah would have some choice words for your ‘wishes’.

  5. Misterioso
    Misterioso
    February 20, 2018, 11:59 am

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/02/13/im-ahed-tamimis-cousin-israel-needs-to-stop-imprisoning-kids-like-her/?utm_term=.02b46b35333a

    “I’m Ahed Tamimi’s cousin. Israel needs to stop imprisoning kids like her.”

    By Nour Tamimi February 13 Washington Post

    Nour Tamimi is a journalism student and activist from Nabi Saleh in the occupied West Bank.

    “I had barely fallen asleep when I woke to find an armed Israeli soldier hovering over my bed. He told me to get up quickly and put on a jacket. Half asleep, I was handcuffed, thrown into an army jeep, and taken to be interrogated. They had already taken my 16-year-old cousin, Ahed, the night before, and now it was my turn.

    “A few days earlier, the Israeli army raided our town of Nabi Saleh in the occupied West Bank to suppress our weekly demonstration against the illegal Jewish settlement built on our land and the theft of our fresh-water spring by settlers. During the demonstration, a soldier shot our 15-year-old cousin Mohammad in the face from close range, shattering his skull. He was rushed to the hospital and had to be medically induced into a coma. About half an hour later, still traumatized by what happened to our cousin, we found soldiers in the front yard of Ahed’s home where we were sitting and tried to get them to leave. For demanding they leave, my unarmed cousin is now facing charges for confronting an armed soldier.

    “When a video of the encounter was shown in Israel, it went viral and many Israelis demanded that we be punished. So, the following week, soldiers came to Ahed’s home in the middle of the night and she was taken away to prison. The next day, her mother Nariman was also imprisoned when she went to check on Ahed. Later that night, I was arrested as well.
    I was released on bail after 16 days, but Ahed has now been languishing in prison for nearly two months, as has her mother. On Jan. 31, she spent her 17th birthday in a cell. The start of her trial in a military court has been delayed several times. The latest postponement came on Tuesday, when it was rescheduled for March 11. In a blatant attempt to avoid the scrutiny of the international media, the judge also ruled that journalists will be barred from attending. The charges that Ahed faces carry a maximum sentence of 20 years. I still face charges as well.

    “In prison, we were treated very badly. After being arrested, Ahed was taken into a basement cell and interrogated without a parent or lawyer present. She and I were repeatedly moved from one prison to another, held with regular Israeli criminals, and subjected to sexist and degrading verbal harassment. The army knows how to place psychological pressure to break you. They deprived us of sleep and food, and I was forced to remain seated in a chair unable to move for long hours at a time.

    “When we were brought to military court for a hearing, it was very hard seeing our parents sitting in the back feeling worried and helpless. My uncle Bassem Tamimi, Ahed’s father, and my own father know firsthand what Israeli prison feels and smells like. Both have been imprisoned multiple times because of their nonviolent resistance to Israel’s occupation. Bassem was named a prisoner of conscience twice by Amnesty International, which has also called for Ahed’s release. They know that we were held in a freezing-cold cell as we waited for our hearing. They know the pain of the handcuffs as they are tightened on our wrists and ankles, and how dirty the cells are, and the smell of rotten food. They understand what it feels like to be isolated in a cell — completely alone, cold and frightened, unsure of what will happen to you. Like her parents and siblings, I fear for the well-being of Ahed and the more than 300 other Palestinian children currently imprisoned by the Israeli army.

    “Ahed and I are the second generation of Tamimis to spend our whole lives under Israel’s oppressive 50-year military rule. We grew up under the constant watch and control of Israeli soldiers. At a young age, we had to learn resilience, determination and persistence. In order to survive, we had to be acutely aware of our surroundings at all times. Even the most basic things, such as being able to move freely or take a day trip wasn’t a possibility because of military checkpoints and other impediments. We had no room to breathe — sometimes literally, as clouds of tear gas fired by soldiers engulfed us and filled our homes.

    “Sadly, we are used to soldiers forcing their way into our homes, their cameras clicking as they take photos of the males in the family, documenting how many windows and doors we have, and stealing and destroying our personal belongings. There is no privacy. In addition to my father, my mother and brother have also been imprisoned. Ahed’s uncle was shot and killed by soldiers during a demonstration in 2012, while her mother was shot in the leg during another march and developed asthma because of the tear gas.

    “We have had our childhood stolen from us, never knowing the feeling of safety, security, and quiet. The unfortunate truth is that this isn’t only the reality of Ahed and I, or of Nabi Saleh. It is the reality of most Palestinians, especially the young ones.

    “Each year, Israel prosecutes between 500 and 700 Palestinian children in its military courts, which have a conviction rate of more than 99 percent. Israel’s two-tiered legal system in the occupied West Bank has been condemned as “separate and unequal” by human rights groups. Settlers, including minors, are subject to Israeli civilian law while Palestinians of all ages are subject to martial law.

    “Palestinian children in Israeli military prisons endure systematic abuse — including threats and physical violence — and are pressured to sign confessions in Hebrew that they can’t read, all while being interrogated without a parent or lawyer. These abuses have been well-documented by human rights groups, and even members of the U.S. Congress are now taking action to stop them with a bill that’s intended to make sure American aid doesn’t fund Israel’s imprisonment of Palestinian children or violations of their rights.

    “We cannot stand up to Israel alone. The international community and all people of conscience must also stand for justice and not tolerate Israel’s abuses of our rights, especially against children. I imagine my life without the hardships of Israel’s military rule, enjoying the simple liberty of being able to make it to class on time because there is no checkpoint closing my town. Not having to worry about me or my loved ones being killed, injured, or thrown into a military prison for standing up for our rights. Like all people want, we simply want to be able live in freedom.”

  6. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    February 20, 2018, 1:44 pm

    @Misterioso
    Thanks for the link.The testimony illustrating Israel`s routine brutality against Palestinian children and the clearly Apartheid two tier justice systems and their outcomes will come as no surprise to Palestinian Rights supporters in the West and to those fewer and fewer moral Israeli Jews who in many ways are trapped just as those thousands of Germans who opposed the Nazis and who risked their lives in trying to protect Jews and and other threatened minorities.

    The fact that the article appeared in the Washington Post is on the one hand encouraging but on the other hand speaks volumes about the extent to which the Palestinian narrative is ignored in mainstream American politics. Even if Ahed was a Christian I doubt if there would have been any major outrage in the US such is the level of Zionist control over the I/P narrative. Having said that Sarah Silverman`s brave stance and the hysterical Zionist reaction illustrates to me that the tide has definitely turned and for Israel it is not a question of if but a question of when the criminals running what is now an openly Fascist regime will be held accountable for their brutalities.

    I pray that Ahed and her family maintain their dignity and courage in the face of the scumbags who are brutalising them and I hope that the various Palestinian Solidarity Groups here in the UK , in Ireland and in mainland Europe can get together to organise a Free Ahed Tamimi Day. I will most certainly attend any such local event and will encourage family and friends to do the same. I also encourage individuals in the UK to write to their Members of Parliament and ask them to request that the UK Government condemn these blatant Human Rights abuses against children in the Occupied Territories.

  7. genesto
    genesto
    February 20, 2018, 3:44 pm

    Always liked Sarah for her razor sharp wit and unabashed honesty. While I wish she would move beyond the liberal Zionism she currently embraces, I have to admire her courage in standing up to the hard core Zionists attacking her for supporting our hero, Ahed. And, if there’s any celebrity – other than, of course, Roger Waters – who’s willing and able to stand up to the vicious attacks she’s had to face while standing strong and true in her beliefs, it’s Sarah.

    • Emory Riddle
      Emory Riddle
      February 21, 2018, 8:33 am

      I have never found her the least bit funny or insightful. To be honest, I am shocked by her brave and righteous stance on this matter and her willingness to stand up to the oh so expected vicious attacks from other Jews. The replies to her comment were just horrifying. They make the KKK of the 1950s look like hippies.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        February 21, 2018, 4:35 pm

        I also never found Sarah very funny; seems her claim to fame really boils down to making jokes about the Shoah as a Jew, and repeating the word “cunt.” I too am impressed by her standing up for Ahed. Maybe Sarah is a comedian who really has no sacred cows after all–but she’s a long way from George Carlin in her comedian skills and their wide-ranging content. But she sure deserves our support! In context, her sister is a Rabbi in Israel protecting as a feminist, and she has a nephew in the IDF–so it took real courage for her to support Ahed.

  8. JosephA
    JosephA
    February 21, 2018, 1:23 am

    Small cracks in the façade.

  9. February 22, 2018, 10:24 am

    Every little bit helps – Sarah Silverman is a brave soul who cannot idly sit by any longer.

    Given her Twitter comments I’m not so sure she is a Zionist. And if she is, this incident fueled by the hatred directed at her by Zionist nut jobs may serve to break those zio-chains forever.

    As a show of support, I will start laughing at all her jokes.

    Hope this version makes the grade

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      February 22, 2018, 6:54 pm

      I agree. In this, at least, she is on the side of the angels, and her public position is such that she is enduring a storm of calumny for it. She deserves our praise and support.
      If I ever hear her make a joke, I will attempt to laugh.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      February 23, 2018, 2:05 pm

      “Given her Twitter comments I’m not so sure she is a Zionist.”

      “JPost sure seems to think so, from their “Which Celebs are Pro/Anti Israel, The Complete Guide” (Nov 17, 2015):

      “Sarah Silverman, hilarious American comedian and actor, has a strong connection to Israel. She often speaks about her sister’s family that lives in Jerusalem and her support for Israel. She was vocal during last March’s election in support of the left-wing Meretz party, tweeting, “ISRAEL! If you are a Meretz supporter you NEED to VOTE MARCH 17. Every vote counts. If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.” Most recently she attended James Franco’s bar mitzva, with other guests such as Miley Cyrus, Aziz Ansari, and Seth Rogen.”

      Oy Gevalt, they start out Meretz and end up meshumad.

  10. Mayhem
    Mayhem
    February 22, 2018, 9:33 pm

    Accusing Silverman of “exploiting” her fame, the Roths, who lost their daughter at the hands of one of Ahed Tamimi’s relatives, have responded, “Sarah, did you stand up for our daughter Malki and the other 15 Jewish lives extinguished by Ahlam Tamimi, Ahed’s cousin and role-model-in-life?”

    The Roths hit back at Silverman writing: “Entertainers exploiting their fame are often a poor choice for clarifying what’s moral or good.”

    They then tweeted a picture of Malki, and got a response from Silverman saying: “Awful. For every story like this, might there be a Palestinian one? I’m genuinely asking – this is not snark.”

    They replied that there are child victims on both sides, but the difference is that their daughter’s killer delights in her acts. They warned the comedian, “You see us as two sides of a coin? Don’t.”

    Everybody, they said, must “make moral judgments even when the facts seem confusing”.

    More than 1500 other people commented, and eventually Silverman chickened out of the topic saying she has come to the realisation that what is “true” and “just” is “wildly subjective”.

    Great waffle-speak from Silverman.

    “Healthy societies don’t turn to stand-up comics to calibrate their moral compass,” Arnold Roth said. “If she thought about our response, fine. But it’s enough if her fame prompts scores of thousands to think, define their own stands, reject hers and realise #AhedTamimi is a performer too.”

    • annie
      annie
      February 23, 2018, 12:32 am

      it’s enough if her fame prompts scores of thousands to think, define their own stands, reject hers and realise #AhedTamimi is a performer too.”

      enough? i’d imagine that’s what they’d hope for. but it’s more likely that her fame prompts scores of thousands to think, define their own stands, and agree with silverman. Ahed Tamimi is not a performer and claiming she is is propaganda.

      silverman didn’t chicken out, she addressed those parents, respectfully, who, sad as it is what happened to their child 16 years ago, are online bullies. silverman doesn’t “exploit her fame” anymore that those parents exploit the death of their own child. it’s sad that after so many years their anger is so on the surface and it doesn’t appear the death of their child has led to any reflection or healing but instead anger and revenge, aimed at a child. it’s almost as tho they are trying to superimpose the cousin whose crime was committed when ahed was maybe a year old, onto ahed, for slapping the soldier. it’s odd, and sad. but there was no “waffle-speak” from silverman and it’s all too true that what is just is subjective, at least in this circumstance. calling ahed a terrorist is outlandish. and one would have to be in way over their head (like these parents) not to realize that.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        February 23, 2018, 6:29 am

        Actor Martin Freeman, who doesn’t lack socialist chops, says that, unlike his Sherlock co-star, Benedict Cumberbatch, he doesn’t think that it’s a good idea for actors to hold forth on politics. “It’s deeply annoying to have someone like me, who doesn’t know everything, bang on,” says Freeman. “Actors can be pompous and we can overestimate our importance.”

        I’m sure most activist-actors mean well, but the droning self-importance makes my face itch. It’s great that they want to put their celebrity to good use; but someone should tell them – fame alone is not enough. Fact is, some thespians are smart, well informed and interesting, and others only manage to portray such sterling qualities. Don’t actors need to realise that when you say something ill informed, idiotic, and sanctimonious in real-life, you can’t do it again, there’s no “second take”, it’s just out there… for ever?

        (above remarks by Barbara Ellen – Observer columnist)

        BTW, to refer to the parents of a child taken from them by a filthy-minded terrorist as online bullies because they continue their fight for justice demonstrates a complete lack of compassion and understanding, but what can one expect at Mondoweiss.

        Further on this matter we see how the slanted media get sucked in by Ahed’s performance and aid her cause. In Australia ABC journalist Sophie McNeill whose has a reputation for producing pro-Palestinian propaganda has deliberately sliced off part of an interview with Ahed Tamimi that shows how she has been sucked in by Tamimi.

        McNeill deliberately stopped the footage mid-sentence, editing out the rest of Tamimi’s words (in full below) thus altering the meaning and interpretation of what Tamimi says. The actual monologue with the missing words in italics:

        “Trump has declared the decision and they have to take responsibility for whatever their reaction is whether it’s stabbing attacks, or suicide attacks, or stone throwing, everyone must do things so we can unite this way so we can get our message across in the required way, and get this result, that is the liberation of Palestine, Allah willing.

      • annie
        annie
        February 23, 2018, 11:47 am

        (above remarks by Barbara Ellen – Observer columnist)

        how hypocritical (as well as amusing) that a person who makes a living sharing her opinion advocates others should keep their mouths shut. she’s not too smart either if she thinks “fame alone” is the reason a celebrity might speak out. like others, actors have opinions. like others, some choose to share them, some don’t. from the same article, the next opinion by Liz Hoggard, journalist https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/12/should-actors-be-political-debate :

        I enjoyed Martin Freeman’s typically witty, self-deprecating comments about not wanting to bore on about politics. But I can’t help remembering how he was “burned” by some elements of the media for making a heartfelt advert for the Labour party earlier this year. It would be a pity if that sort of conviction disappeared.

        As a journalist, I’m always fascinated by what’s disparagingly called “the work”. It’s a privilege to hear about someone’s play, book, film. But, selfishly, I’d argue it’s so much more interesting if performers actually engage and talk about world events outside the rehearsal room, too.

        and i dare say that you mayhem, would not be sharing Barbara Ellen’s opinion with us if a famous actor spoke out in favor of something you agreed with, say an anti-bds sentiment. it would be plastered all over the headlines and you’d jump at the opportunity to let us know about it.

        i’ll address your other ideas in a separate comment.

      • annie
        annie
        February 23, 2018, 12:21 pm

        to refer to the parents of a child taken from them by a filthy-minded terrorist as online bullies because they continue their fight for justice demonstrates a complete lack of compassion and understanding

        fighting for justice? how could these parents possibly extract justice for the death of their child 16 years ago by slandering Ahed Tamimi today? everything about their continued injection into the conversation surrounding the slap reeks of bitterness, anger, pain and revenge. please explain how you think these parent could find justice in this situation. Ahed is trapped, imprisoned, so what would these parents preference be? execute her, life imprisonment? put her on trial for the death of their daughter? perhaps by some tribal justice? one of yours killed one of mine therefore sacrifice another from your tribe to extract a price? this kind of thinking is what one might expect from someone hardened by pain and grief but it’s nothing worth emulating. it doesn’t give their voice moral authority. it creates a situation in which anyone who doesn’t agree with them could be expected chastisement such as ‘how cruel of you’. it’s 16 years later and they’re using their pulpit like bullies to condemn a cousin. while their loss is tragic it doesn’t give them license to make false accusations.

      • annie
        annie
        February 23, 2018, 12:41 pm

        editing out the rest of Tamimi’s words (in full below) thus altering the meaning and interpretation of what Tamimi says.

        and i’d argue the original editorial is in fact an altercation of her tamimi’s words. i already addressed this allegation once before here http://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/israeli-prosecutors-terrorist/#comment-902696 hence, i will republish:

        i think it’s irrelevant whether she had stated explicitly suicide bombing (which she didn’t) or martyrdom operations. and i agree with her that “because Trump announced a decision and they will need to bear responsibility for every response that will come from us – whether it is a stabbing attack, or a suicide bombing or throwing rock“.

        and, i agree with her that “everyone needs to do something and unite in order for our message to reach those who want to liberate Palestine”.

        because she said both those things, it does not mean she is advocating suicide bombings any more than me saying “everyone needs to do something and unite in order for our message to reach those who want to liberate Palestine” means that i am advocating for suicide bombings when i say i think trump et al will need to bear responsibility for every response that will come from palestinians – whether it is a stabbing attack, or a suicide bombing or throwing rocks as a response to his grotesque jerusalem announcement.

        remember. these are spoken words from a live Facebook feed.

        I hope everyone will participate in the protests, because that is the only solution to reach a result.

        Our strength is in our rocks and I hope that the entire world will unite to liberate Palestine because Trump announced a decision and they will need to bear responsibility for every response that will come from us whether it is a stabbing attack, or a suicide bombing or throwing rocks.

        Everyone needs to do something and unite in order for our message to reach those who want to liberate Palestine

        i agree with each sentence, or paragraph depending on how one edits this spoken statement….

        she straight up says “I hope everyone will participate in the protests” and “protests .. is the only solution to reach a result”. she straight up says “Our strength is in our rocks”.

        so construing her message (which i share and think is absolutely common sense), that trump will have to bear responsible for the response to his announcement whatever that may be, including throwing rocks, and “Everyone needs to do something and unite” is a call for suicide attacks, is a radical interpretation — helped along with the editing of punctuation; comma vs period. she’s clearly calling for protests!

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        February 23, 2018, 4:20 pm

        In criminal law, incitement is the encouragement of another person to commit a crime. Depending on the jurisdiction, some or all types of incitement may be illegal. Where illegal, it is known as an inchoate offense, where harm is intended but may or may not have actually occurred. (Wikipedia definition).
        Plenty of grounds here to charge Ahed Tamimi by her own words and actions.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 23, 2018, 4:53 pm

        “In criminal law, incitement is…”

        A real gantseh mentsh, this “Mayhem”.
        He’ll be indicting Sarah Silverman, next.

        Yes, any kind of incitement is very shocking to Zionists, who never engage in it.

      • Keith
        Keith
        February 23, 2018, 6:30 pm

        MAYHEM- “Plenty of grounds here to charge Ahed Tamimi by her own words and actions.”

        Ahed Tamimi has every right to resist the occupation of her homeland. Your conqueror’s justice merely illustrates your Zionist arrogance and lack of empathy. I link to an interview with Norman Finkelstein where he specifically mentions Ahed Tamimi. http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/02/23/gaza-on-the-brink-norman-finkelstein-on-israeli-forces-targeting-palestinian-civilians/

      • Keith
        Keith
        February 23, 2018, 6:55 pm

        MAYHEM- (Martin Freeman quote)- “Actors can be pompous and we can overestimate our importance.”

        True enough, however, the only ones who get called on it are the ones who go against the imperial meme. And then there is the massive propaganda effect of the entertainment media which glorifies militarism and violence such as “American Sniper” and “Zero Dark Thirty.” And then there are the violent children’s video games where violence is the only solution. It is no accident that recent mass shootings the shooters utilized military tactics and equipment. The imperial media have normalized brutality and violence necessary to sustain a militarized empire. Where 13 Russian internet trolls are being described as a Russian “attack” on the US. We live in dangerous times and you are part of the problem insofar as you support a brutal 50 year occupation.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        February 23, 2018, 10:03 pm

        @Mayhem

        “In criminal law….”

        Spare us.

        Law has no meaning to either Israel or zionists.

        Get back to us when Israel and/or you recognize GC, Hague, IL, IHL, UDHR,

        Until then you are just pure pos criminals looking to justify your perfidity and criminal acts perpetrated on civilians.

        There was a time that i thought discussing things with zionists was worth the effort but time has shown they are without any moral basis and only interested in benefitting themselves and their crime family.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        February 25, 2018, 5:42 pm

        Robbins, extraordinary that the decision by the US to move its embassy to Jerusalem is supposed to be grotesque, while on the other hand the bellicose manoeuverings of the Iranian regime aiming to eliminate Israel don’t even raise an eyebrow around here. The double standards at Mondoweiss are appalling.

      • annie
        annie
        February 25, 2018, 5:58 pm

        what hyperbole Mayhem, the bellicose allegations the Iranian regime are allegedly aiming to eliminate Israel. your blatant propaganda is what’s appalling.

      • amigo
        amigo
        March 14, 2018, 1:56 pm

        “In criminal law, incitement is the encouragement of another person to commit a crime.” mayhem

        Example!!.

        The rogue entity facilitating the illegal transfer of it,s citizens (700,000) to territory occupied –ie, Palestine and then encouraging those illegal squatters to carry out attacks against the people whose land they are squatting on.

        Don,t have a criminal law for that , eh mayhem.

        Do you know what a Gombeen is .

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      February 23, 2018, 7:18 am

      It’s a shame the Roth’s have allowed their tragedy to pervert their moral base.

    • Emory Riddle
      Emory Riddle
      February 23, 2018, 8:22 am

      They replied that there are child victims on both sides, but the difference is that their daughter’s killer delights in her acts. They warned the comedian, “You see us as two sides of a coin? Don’t.”

      No, the difference is that Israel kills way more kids in the Occupied Territories than do the Palestinians kill Jewish kids and that the Palestinians are the invaded and oppressed and Israel the invader and oppressor.

      Further, the Israeli society certainly seems to take delight (and certainly defends) the murder of Palestinian kids by the IDF in contradiction of the Roth’s statement. And I find no evidence that most Palestinians”delight” in the killing of Israeli kids — would seem to be projection on behalf of the Roths.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        February 27, 2018, 12:14 am

        @Emory, perhaps you need the watch a short video the chilling joy of a terror-massacre mastermind to get you to take back your false statement “I find no evidence that most Palestinians ‘delight’ in the killing of Israeli kids — would seem to be projection on behalf of the Roths.”

    • eljay
      eljay
      February 23, 2018, 9:01 am

      || Mayhem @ February 22, 2018, 9:33 pm ||

      Wow, that’s a lot of words just to say that the Roths engaged in whataboutism.

    • Emory Riddle
      Emory Riddle
      March 14, 2018, 12:10 pm

      The Roths, who lost their daughter at the hands of one of Ahed Tamimi’s relatives, have responded.

      Who are these Roths? Who was her daughter? What was her name, was she killed, how was she killed, who killed her? How is her killer related to Ahed?

      I went online and could not find anything about any of this.

      • annie
        annie
        March 14, 2018, 12:18 pm

        emory, they are fairly easy to find, they have their own blog and are very active in social media. they engage silverman on twitter and allison has included one of their tweets in this article. their twitter handle is “this ongoing war”. once you find the tweet go to their feed and they link to their blog. they have been blogging for over a decade.

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