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Free at last, Israeli actor-director Itay Tiran endorses BDS and says Zionism is racism

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I was really taken by Itay Tiran’s acting in the gripping British mini-saeries ‘The Promise’ directed by Peter Kosminsky. The series is about Israel-Palestine, jumping back and forth between pre-state years and current events. Tiran was playing a Jewish-Israeli leftist who joined Combatants for Peace, and his sister considers him an anti-Zionist. He seemed really authentic in that role, challenging his ‘liberal-Zionist’ parents and pointing out their hypocrisy.

Now, the 38-year-old actor-director is leaving Israel for Germany, and he gave an interview to Haaretz, where he is really uncuffed. He speaks in favor of BDS, rationally. He calls Zionism racism – not as hyperbole – he’s just rational and logical about it.

Really, it is so liberating to read. These are expressions that Zionists are trying to ban all over the world – and he’s just free as a bird speaking about it! I imagine that he has saved this for his emigration move, because the backlash you can get in Israel for this can be a serious mess.

In the interview excerpts released so far by Haaretz (they plan to publish the full interview in Haaretz’s Hebrew cultural supplement), Tiran says that BDS is perfectly legitimate:

BDS is a perfectly legitimate form of resistance. And if we want to preach for a certain kind of political discussion that isn’t violent, we must strengthen these voices, even if it’s difficult. I think a normal political left should support BDS. After all, it doesn’t matter what the Palestinian will do. When he commits an act of terror he is called a violent, bloodthirsty terrorist. And when he supports BDS he’s a political terrorist. If what finally leads to a solution here will be non-violent pressure, conducted as political discourse, then why not support it? It’s a humanist approach, and it’s also practical, and I think it will prevent the next wars.

That’s certainly not a view shared by Israel, which has whole ministries and huge budgets dedicated to the fight against BDS. Tiran cuts right through.

He talks about Israel’s fascism, and the denial of it:

You get up in the morning, drink your coffee and read the paper. You look at a story and say, So is this the moment in which we’ve become fascist or isn’t it? You sit with yourself and play a kind of game, and gradually you realize that all you do is keep asking that question and playing that game, without deciding.

He talks about how the recently passed basic law declaring Israel the nation state of the Jewish people isn’t really all new, and that in that sense it isn’t really all bad, if it serves as a wake-up call:

If the nation-state law is a reference point, from which you calculate where Israeli society is, then clearly it’s a racist, non-egalitarian law, another step in the nationalist shift taking place here. On the other hand, I say it’s not only bad. Why? Because it forces out a kind of collective subconscious that has always existed here. The Declaration of Independence and talk about equality and values, all those were the self-preening of a colonialist boasting of enlightened liberalism. There are people who still call themselves center-left, and still think that if they put the word equality into the law everything will be all right. I don’t think so. And really, the right’s justified counter argument was, hang-on, but there’s the Law of Return. Why is it that only the nation-state law drives you crazy?”

Great points. So interviewer Ravit Hecht then asks him the big question:

“So you’re saying Zionism equals racism, no matter what?”

“Yes”, Tiran answers.

So simple. Israel’s former Ambassador to the UN Chaim Herzog went ballistic on that issue, and famously tore up the 1975 resolution that equated Zionism with racism. The US ambassador to the UN, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, gave a famous speech denouncing the resolution as the work of Nazis.

[T]he Abomination of anti-semitism has been given the appearance of international sanction. The General Assembly today grants symbolic amnesty — and more — to the murderers of the six million European Jews.

And here is Tiran, accepting the equation, rationally, peacefully and unequivocally.

Naturally, the discussion goes further:

“That Zionism equals colonialism?”, Hecht asks.

“Yes, exactly. So we all have to look at the truth, and then take a side.”

It doesn’t get any clearer than that. It isn’t complicated. The full interview will certainly be something to look forward to. As I said, a liberation.

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  1. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    September 8, 2018, 1:12 pm

    I like the assertion that this whole mess is not complicated, but simple, as if to say: “Zionism’s racism and colonialism, stupid!”

    I also like the idea that Israelis are invited (by current events) to ask, again and again, day by day, “has Israel become fascist?” The poor liberal Zionists, after all, trying to have their cake and eat it too. “Yes we advocate for human rights for all peoples — but necessarily not for Palestinians, because mumble-mumble-mumble otherwise mumble there couldn’t be mumble-mumble-mumble any Israel.

    Orwell had it right: All necessities are equally necessary, but some necessities are more equally necessary than others, and Zionism is maximally necessary and trumps all other necessities, even the necessity of universal human rights, which, come to thik clearly about it, is only necessary but not maximally necessary.

  2. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 8, 2018, 2:13 pm

    I do hope that he visits the UK in the very near future and repeats his words in the interview specifically that “Zionism equals racism”. Cat amongst the UK Zionist pigeons.

    See also:
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-itay-tiran-israel-s-no-1-theater-actor-director-endorses-bds-1.6455655

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      September 9, 2018, 2:15 am

      And get arrested for antisemitism?

      (Or antiSemitism, Antisemitism, AntiSemitism, anti-semitism, anti-Semitism, Anti-semitism, or Anti-Semitism.)

  3. Talkback
    Talkback
    September 9, 2018, 4:18 am

    Itay Tiran: “After all, it doesn’t matter what the Palestinian will do. When he commits an act of terror he is called a violent, bloodthirsty terrorist. And when he supports BDS he’s a political terrorist.”

    It reminds of antisemitism: Jews are genuinly bad whatever they do. To accuse Palestinians in the same way is nothing else than hatred towards Palestinians.

    Ofir: “He talks about Israel’s fascism, and the denial of it:”

    Another example of Israel’s fascism:
    Israel Bars Palestinian Teen Ahed Tamimi and Family From Traveling Abroad
    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/israel-bans-ahed-tamimi-and-family-from-traveling-abroad-1.6464439

    Just another violation of the human right to leave your country and return.

    • Elizabeth Block
      Elizabeth Block
      September 9, 2018, 9:55 am

      Um, doh. Tiran isn’t accusing all (or any) Palestinians of being terrorists. He’s saying that this is how they are regarded by Zionists.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 9, 2018, 11:06 am

        I know that he paraphrased them.

  4. Marnie
    Marnie
    September 9, 2018, 7:42 am

    Logical and thoughtful. I will copy President Obama’s questioning how can anyone not condemn nazis and ask rationally and without animosity how can anyone not condemn zionism? How can anyone condemn peaceful protests? The only way it is possible not to condem zionism or nazism but condemn peaceful protests is blind irrational fear expressed as blind irrational hatred.

  5. Juergen
    Juergen
    September 9, 2018, 3:10 pm

    This is refreshing honesty about the meaning of words, and calls the bluff on those who would squash real discussion by invoking the term “antisemitic” for anything critical of Israel. I saw this myself recently in a public meeting where any voices critical of Israel were deemed antisemitic by the main speaker who defended Israel and its actions vociferously.

  6. Jackdaw
    Jackdaw
    September 10, 2018, 1:55 am

    How did Tiran manage to avoid the boycott and find work in England?

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      September 10, 2018, 9:04 am

      Since when are serious fighters against the regime boycotted? Don’t worry your Zionist head over things that aren’t for you.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        September 11, 2018, 1:38 am

        Boycott should be applied evenly against all Israelis, including lickspittles.

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 11, 2018, 8:18 am

        || Jackdaw: Boycott should be applied evenly against all Israelis, including lickspittles. ||

        People who oppose supremacism and advocate equality are “lickspittles”? You Zionists really are f*cked in the head.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        September 11, 2018, 8:44 am

        Sure, we’ll take orders from Zionist jacka$$es.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 11, 2018, 9:18 am

        Jackdaw: “Boycott should be applied evenly against all Israelis, including lickspittles.”

        Of course. Otherwise we would have to exclude the 95% racist lickspittles who supported the Gaza war.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 11, 2018, 9:53 am

        eljay: “People who oppose supremacism and advocate equality are “lickspittles”? You Zionists really are f*cked in the head.”

        There’s no other way to describe it as insulting as it may seem. Everything seems to be up side down when it comes to their sense of morality and justice. That’s why it reminds a lot of people who know or have read about Nazism of Nazis. And it is exactly this shameless, criminal attitude which endorses the same attitude towards Jews as such.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        September 11, 2018, 10:54 am

        I oppose supremacism and inequality, but I oppose the demolition of the Jewish State of Israel.

        An Israeli who want’s the deconstruction of the State of Israel in favour of ‘Palestine’, is a lickspittle of the BDS, a toady of the Palestinians, and a ‘useful idiot’ of the extreme Left.

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 11, 2018, 10:57 am

        || Talkback: eljay: “People who oppose supremacism and advocate equality are “lickspittles”? You Zionists really are f*cked in the head.”

        There’s no other way to describe it as insulting as it may seem. … ||

        I suppose I could have been more tactful and said “You Zionists really are desperately mentally-ill”, but sometimes my shock at just how unabashedly hateful and immoral Zionists are gets the better of me.

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 11, 2018, 11:26 am

        || Jackdaw: I oppose supremacism and inequality, but I oppose the demolition of the Jewish State of Israel. … ||

        You oppose supremacism and inequality, but you oppose ending Jewish / “Jewish State” supremacism. Yessir, you definitely are touched in the head.

        || … An Israeli who want’s the deconstruction of the State of Israel in favour of ‘Palestine’, is a lickspittle of the BDS, a toady of the Palestinians, and a ‘useful idiot’ of the extreme Left. ||

        It’s amazing how your fevered Zionist mind is conveniently able to distort justice, accountability and equality into an evil you can then despise.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 11, 2018, 11:41 am

        Jackdaw

        An Israeli opposed to
        Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians is a mensch. A supporter of the status quo is a schmuck.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        September 11, 2018, 4:52 pm

        @ustasi

        When the United Nations recognised the State of Israel seventy years ago, they referred to it as ‘The Jewish State’.

        How’s that life of hate working out for your?

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 11, 2018, 7:12 pm

        || Jackdaw: @ustasi … ||

        Did catalan tell you during pillow talk to call me that? So cute!  :-)

        || … When the United Nations recognised the State of Israel seventy years ago, they referred to it as ‘The Jewish State’. … ||

        The U.N. recognizes Iran as an Islamic State. Why do you hate Iranian Jews so much?

        States have no business existing as supremacist entities – Jewish, Islamic or otherwise.

        || … How’s that life of hate working out for your? ||

        I advocate the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality.

        You, however, are mentally unwell.  :-(

      • catalan
        catalan
        September 11, 2018, 9:25 pm

        ““Did catalan tell you during pillow talk to call me that? So cute! :-“ Eljay
        We sit next to each other at Hasbara Central, among other bots. We sometimes go to Starbucks while on break (thus violating BDS).

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        September 12, 2018, 1:04 am

        @ustasi

        “I advocate the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality.”

        You advocate the destruction of the home of the Jews, and only that.

        You’ve never raised your voice in protest at injustice anywhere else in the world except Israel. You are blithely indifferent to Arab on Arab violence, Muslim on Muslim violence, or American, Iranian or Russian meddling in the Middle East.

        Your considerable hate is aimed exclusively at Israel and your obsessive presence on this website proves that you are as mentally unstable as you are lonely.

        Remember the dead martyred at Jasenovac!

        Remember the Jew-murdering Croats of the Ustasi!

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 12, 2018, 7:39 am

        || catalan: … We sit next to each other at Hasbara Central, among other bots. We sometimes go to Starbucks while on break (thus violating BDS). ||

        I think it’s lovely that you play and work together.  :-)

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 12, 2018, 9:17 am

        Jackdaw: “I oppose supremacism and inequality, but I oppose the demolition of the Jewish State of Israel. ”

        ROFL. Sure. That’s called cognitive dissonance. Or “double think”. That’s like saying: I oppose supremacism and inequality, but I also oppose(d) the demolition of South Africa’s Apartheid regime.

        Please explain how you can oppose “supremacism and inequality” on the one hand and changing a supremacist regime that claims to be not the state of all of its citizens and priviliges one group because of their faith/heritage on the other!

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 12, 2018, 10:15 am

        Jackdaw: @ustasi

        “I advocate the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality.”

        You advocate the destruction of the home of the Jews, and only that.

        You’ve never raised your voice in protest at injustice anywhere else in the world except Israel. You are blithely indifferent to Arab on Arab violence, Muslim on Muslim violence, or American, Iranian or Russian meddling in the Middle East.

        Your considerable hate is aimed exclusively at Israel and your obsessive presence on this website proves that you are as mentally unstable as you are lonely.

        Remember the dead martyred at Jasenovac!

        Remember the Jew-murdering Croats of the Ustasi!

        Wow, what an epic melt-down! It’s truly sad to see a Zionist lose his shit just because he can’t get a rise out of someone using lame taunts.  :-(

        Dude, I’m not Croatian so your little “@ustasi”/Jasenovac comedy routine isn’t doing anything for (or to) me.

        Neither is your desperate, demented association of justice, accountability and equality with “hate”.

        I sincerely hope you get plenty of soothing hugs and kisses tonight. :-)

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 12, 2018, 12:51 pm

        “Your considerable hate is aimed exclusively at Israel and your obsessive presence on this website proves that you are as mentally unstable as you are lonely.”

        Good ol’ “Jackdaw” he is a one-man 35mm. Cinemascope (with Dolby Surround Sound) of Zionist projection.

      • gamal
        gamal
        September 12, 2018, 1:20 pm

        “I sincerely hope you get plenty of soothing”

        because there comes a time in life when you gotta be cool

        https://youtu.be/EwOFJEZ074c

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 12, 2018, 1:29 pm

        eljay: “Dude, I’m not Croatian so your little “@ustasi”/Jasenovac comedy routine isn’t doing anything for (or to) me.”

        The real Nazis and their likes always find a way to be racist …

    • Jonathan Ofir
      Jonathan Ofir
      September 11, 2018, 3:50 pm

      Jackdaw, if you look at the guidelines of the cultural boycott on the BDS website, you may learn that “This is a boycott of Israeli cultural institutions not Israeli individuals. BDS targets complicit, not identity. ”

      https://bdsmovement.net/cultural-boycott#guidelines

      • Misterioso
        Misterioso
        September 12, 2018, 11:42 am

        @Jackdaw

        “When the United Nations recognised the State of Israel seventy years ago, they referred to it as ‘The Jewish State’.”

        You neglected to note that UN recognition referred to a “Jewish state” comprised of 56% of Palestine that did not include Jerusalem, Jaffa, Acre etc., subsequently seized by Zionist forces. This despite the fact that Jews comprised only 31% of the population (90% were of foreign origin, and tens of thousands were illegal immigrants) and privately owned a mere 6-7% of the total land area. Indigenous Palestinians made up 69% of the population and privately owned 48% of the land. About 45% of the total land area was state owned, i.e. by citizens of Palestine and it was comprised of Communal Property (‘mashaa’), Endowment Property, (‘waqf’), and Government Property, (‘miri’.) Importantly, only 30% of the Jewish immigrants had taken out citizenship. (The British Mandate kept an extensive land registry and the UN used the registry during its early deliberations. It has in its archives 453,000 records of individual Palestinian owners defined by name, location & area.) In short, for the native Palestinians, the 1947 Partition Plan was unjust beyond words.

        On 11 May 1949, the General Assembly passed Resolution 273 granting Israel admittance to the UN (after being rejected twice.) As a precondition, Israel formally agreed at the UN to obey General Assembly Resolution 194 regarding the Palestinian refugee’s inalienable right of return, i.e., based on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, binding on all UN members. Along with Arab states and Palestinian representatives, Israel also signed the Lausanne Protocol at the 1949 Lausanne Peace Conference to the same effect.

        Israel’s pledge to abide by the terms of Resolution 194 was made legally binding by incorporating it into Resolution 273 (11 May 1949) granting Israel UN membership: “Recalling and taking note of the declarations and explanations made by [Israel]…in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions, the General Assembly… decides to admit Israel into membership in the United Nations.” Israel is the only state admitted to the UN on the condition that specific resolutions would be implemented.

        With U.S. support, Israel has yet to comply with Resolution 273 and of course, Resolution 194.

        Obviously, Israel should have long since been expelled from the UN for failing to live up to the commitments it gave the UN in order to gain admittance.

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        September 12, 2018, 6:26 pm

        Mist,
        “Recalling and taking note of the declarations and explanations made by [Israel]…in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions, “

        Can you provide a quote from or link to the declarations and explanations that are referenced in your quote? I have seen no evidence that these declarations or explanations accepted the right of return that you reference.

        Thanks

      • mondonut
        mondonut
        September 12, 2018, 8:30 pm

        Israel was admitted to the UN in the same manner as every other nation, using the one and only process available. There were no preconditions, there was no promise to elevate a UNGA recommendation into a binding commitment – all of those claims are well worn nonsense.

        Regarding Israel’s declarations and explanations, they are here:

        https://web.archive.org/web/20120203124136/http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/85255a0a0010ae82852555340060479d/1db943e43c280a26052565fa004d8174?OpenDocument#Mr.%20EBAN%20(Israel)%20understood%20tha

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 13, 2018, 3:31 pm

        @ Mondonut.

        Yeah, we allready know how Israel lied to the UN.

        “On 12 May 1949, the conference achieved its only success when the parties signed the Lausanne Protocol on the framework for a comprehensive peace, which included territories, refugees, and Jerusalem. Israel agreed in principle to allow the return of a number of Palestinian refugees. This Israeli agreement was made under pressure from the United States, and because the Israelis wanted United Nations membership, which required the settlement of the refugee problem. Once Israel was admitted to the UN, it retreated from the protocol it had signed, because it was completely satisfied with the status quo, and saw no need to make any concessions with regard to the refugees or on boundary questions.”
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lausanne_Conference_of_1949#Comments_by_Israeli_%22New_Historians%22

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        September 13, 2018, 5:44 pm

        Talk,
        Instead of using Wikipedia as your reference why not try the original document.
        It states, “…has proposed to the Delegation of Israel and to the Delegations of the Arab States that the working document attached hereto be taken as a basis for discussions with the Commission.”.
        The signatories did not agree to all of the proposals, but only in using them as a basis of discussion.
        https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/AD7D4FE6D9F547CB8525750C00766FAB

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 14, 2018, 2:54 am

        @ Jon66

        Thank you. It shows even better the evolution of Israel’s lies to the UN.

  7. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 10, 2018, 9:44 am

    @Jackdaw
    “How did Tiran manage to avoid the boycott and find work in England?”

    I think you have tripped over your Zionist laces on that one. Go back to your set piece Hasbara script. That way you come across as simply sad and pathetic. If you go off script you become hilarious.

    BTW how did Margaret Hodge manage to avoid all the endemic anti – semitism and get a damehood in England?

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      September 10, 2018, 10:59 am

      @Ossinev

      Dealing with Jackdaw is like shooting fish in a barrel. He should get out of Hasbara Central or his mother’s basement and sincerely search out what is really going on. Then again, perhaps he just doesn’t care.

    • Jackdaw
      Jackdaw
      September 11, 2018, 10:55 am

      @Ossinev

      You have all the facts at your command.

  8. Boris
    Boris
    September 10, 2018, 12:01 pm

    “He seemed really authentic in that role…”

    And all he had to do
    Act naturally.

  9. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 11, 2018, 1:55 pm

    @Jackdaw
    “You have all the facts at your command”

    At some point you discovered the “fact” that Tiran”found work in England”.

    Of course no surprise you didn`t back this up with any specific “fact” or “facts” proving that Tiran “found work in England”. I have done my own basic keyboard/mouse research and can find no factual account of Tiran “finding work in England” be it acting or bartendering.
    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1553954/bio?ref_=nm_sa_1

    I think that you haveconveniently jumped on his appearance in “The Promise” series filmed entirely in Israel not England and widely criticised by the usual Ziolobby culprits as being Anti – Israel.Anti – Zionists,Anti- Semitic – you know all the usual antics.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Promise_(2011_TV_serial)#Pre-production,_further_research,_and_finance

  10. inbound39
    inbound39
    September 11, 2018, 7:25 pm

    Zionism is definitely racist and Israel is certainly Apartheid. Look at the World backlash to South Africa that brought South Africa to its knees so it had to Abandon Apartheid. Israel is a worse case. America was the last State to oppose SA Apartheid. History repeats itself but this time America has cuddled up to Apartheid Israel and protects it from accountability for its war crimes against Palestinians. America supplies Apartheid Israel with the weaponry to conduct its crimes against Palestinians. This time America is complicit and it sits in bewilderment wondering why it is not listened to and mocked by the World. America will, I hope, come to its senses.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      September 12, 2018, 6:06 pm

      US corporate media news is complicit, but it was not so with apartheid S AFRICA.

  11. Rashers2
    Rashers2
    September 12, 2018, 9:06 am

    If I can get past the Haaretz paywall, I look forward to reading the whole Itay Tiran interview because Mr. Tiran shows that it is possible for a thinking product of the Zionist State still to possess humanity and a grasp on objective reality.
    Previously, I’ve pondered over what happens when the settler-colonial undertaking collapses and several million Zionists in Palestine and elsewhere are in deep PTS because they have to come to terms with reality which transpires to be completely other than the farrago of myth, fiction and revisionism on which their worldview had been built. This is neither a small matter nor attempted irony: Nazism’s roots were planted in Versailles and before; but it began to gain real traction only from 1928, when popular support rose in five years from insignificance to electoral victory. If one thus – generously – attributes to the political philosophy’s real influence on the popular German psyche, culture and perceptions 17 years (1928-32, incl., plus the 12 years that the Thousand Year Reich lasted), this would be the period over which Nazism became entrenched to the point of requiring, post- WW II, “de-Nazification” or re-education programmes to teach why Nazism had been wrong to those who had known little or nothing else, had been brought up unquestioningly to accept its tenets and could not comprehend how their belief and value system had imploded.
    Re-educating the `daw, Catalan and millions of other Ziopaths after a period of entrenchment of Zionist ideology in the settler-colony lasting (even using “official” calculus) more than four times as long is going to present psychology with a thorny, future challenge.

    • catalan
      catalan
      September 12, 2018, 8:37 pm

      “Re-educating the `daw, Catalan and millions of other Ziopaths after a period of entrenchment of Zionist ideology in the settler-colony” rashers
      Just to clarify, I am not Israeli. I am American. But I am nothing if not a learner – so you have piqued my interest with this suggestion to “re-educate” me. Will this involve a heavy course on Iranian and Arab history perhaps? Will I have to learn the philosophy of organizations like Hamas and Islmanic Jihad? Or accept global communism as the answer to the world’s ills? I look forward to this learning experience and I am assuming that the state would pay for it. Do you plan to “re-educate” many Americans or is it just me and a few others?

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 13, 2018, 4:16 am

        You’d benefit from re-education, Catalan. The Kool aid does damage to your kidneys. Most of your talking points are nonsense which leads to social problems.

      • catalan
        catalan
        September 13, 2018, 9:08 am

        “You’d benefit from re-education, Catalan.” Mag
        Perhaps – but I already have 4 degrees with some minors mixed in. I also speak Spanish, German, French, Italian and a bunch of Slavic languages. And reached a surprisingly high level in bureaucracy (for a foreign accented nerd). Can’t we spend te re-education money on someone more needy?

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 13, 2018, 12:02 pm

        Catalan

        All Zionists, including you, are needy. Also whiny.
        Someone more needy might be Jon S but I am not sure.

      • catalan
        catalan
        September 13, 2018, 2:43 pm

        “All Zionists, including you, are needy. Also whiny.” Mag
        At least I work. This site is dedicated to whining about everything – the poor Palestinians and how the bad rich people have all the money. The solution proposed is to boycott Kleenex. It always gets me how Jews are called “whiny” and “needy” when this is the very definition of what you do all the time. Since Israel has nuclear weapons and an airforce, all you can do forever is just whine. Which is a good situation to be in, for the “Zionists”, since this time around , the enemy is reduced to this incessant parroting of nonsense. I would much rather be called whiny than what happened last time.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 14, 2018, 12:59 pm

        You tell ’em ‘catalan”. You’ve got the situation well under control. When Zionists are under suspicion for dual loyalty, you’ll be able to claim (and prove with ledgers) that you never gave a penny to Israel, or made any contributions to Zionism.
        And Mondo has a habit of losing comment archives, so you’re safe!

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      September 13, 2018, 4:26 am

      Israel has to go through the same process. Zionism is a child of Nazism. The same contempt for Untermenschen, the same deluded militarism, the same disdain for international law, the same worship of war.

      https://youtu.be/5rg1LWg4Dxs

  12. Rashers2
    Rashers2
    September 14, 2018, 11:57 am

    @catalan, you and your fellow Zio-apologists habitually “miss” the point: drawing directly from the Hasbara manual, you also disingenuously try conflating “education” in the academic sense with the use of “re-education” in the context of a social morality and ethos not based on perverse notions of entitlement, supremacism; or on fearful contempt for all outside one’s tribal tent. In ideologues, high IQs co-exist with flawed intellects and personalities so your glittering, personal academic record is irrelevant. As for the need to “re-educate” many American Zionists, they will not be the most traumatised by the proverbial really hitting the fan in the settler-colony so may be left awhile to whine and come to terms with their grief untended.
    One day, you may discover that you need neither to become a communist nor learn “Islmanic [sic] Jihad[i]” philosophy to become a decent human being. Studying any civilisation’s history, however, harms few; you could try starting with the history of the Eastern Mediterranean.

    • catalan
      catalan
      September 14, 2018, 1:11 pm

      “or on fearful contempt for all outside one’s tribal tent.” Rasher
      I am not fearful at all. I work and live in New Mexico, with a decently high position in government. Literally everyone I deal with and am friends with is not Jewish. We have Native Americans, Hindus, Muslims, people from everywhere here. Outside of my son and wife, I know almost no Jews. I know barely anything about Judaism and observe virtually no rituals of any kind. I have no idea how you came up with this idea of “tribal tents”, and supremacism. That’s Hamas, Iran, Erdogan and all the rest of the gang you are talking about – an assorted group of fascists and goons from the Islamic world who are intolerant towards everything. Indeed, Iran, Egypt, Turkey, the Palestinian government are the spiritual heirs of European fascists with their bellicose megalomania and contempt for everything not Islamic. You yourself are completely intolerant and make an assumption that anyone who doesn’t want to live under the thumb of religious nutcases (see public beatings of Lesbians in Malaysia) is not a “decent” human being.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 14, 2018, 1:54 pm

        Catalan: “Indeed, Iran, Egypt, Turkey, the Palestinian government are the spiritual heirs of European fascists with their bellicose megalomania and contempt for everything not Islamic.”

        Indeed. They are also occupying other people, illegaly annexing their country, collectively punishing them, differentiating between nationals and citizens while privileging one group based on faith/heritage and discriminating another. Typical spiritual heirs of European fascist with their bellicose megalomania and contempt for everything not Islamic.

        Wait, that’s actually Israel and its Jews we are talking about. Are you confused by any chance?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 14, 2018, 2:08 pm

        “Outside of my son and wife, I know almost no Jews. I know barely anything about Judaism and observe virtually no rituals of any kind.”

        Jeez, I hope Mondo doesn’t lose your comment archive. It’s all you’ve got.

      • Rashers2
        Rashers2
        September 14, 2018, 5:26 pm

        Basic tenet no. 2 from Hasbara Central’s textbook, eh? Deflection (aka “whataboutery”): “What about those poor lesbians in Malaysia?” I have news for you, @catalan: although I may currently live in a Muslim country, I’m agnostic and brought up in a liberal, Western country; I hold no brief at all for what recently happened in Malaysia; or what happens in other Islamic (and non-Islamic) countries in terms of repression and discrimination against anyone on the grounds of gender, sexuality, faith or otherwise. Were I, I’d be a “self-hater” as well as an arrant hypocrite since I’m gay and not a dissimulator.
        What is NOT, according to my moral canon, acceptable among decent human beings is to practise, condone or defend a supremacist political ideology which entails forcible displacement and continuing dispossession by one defined group of another group with antecedent claim, who suffer subjugation, occupation, privations and routinely from capricious, vindictive acts of violent repression. On, now, to Fascism: despite developments in Hungary and other places, today’s Israel displays some of the most blatantly neo-Fascistic traits of any alleged democracy, so save your conflation and whataboutery for the birds.

      • catalan
        catalan
        September 14, 2018, 7:49 pm

        Rashers,
        All these words to say that anyone who doesn’t share your beliefs is a bad person. And if I don’t go along with your solution then I am immoral and indecent supremacist. Basically, the thinking of an intolerant mental child. I don’t even know what it is you are saying about me – some kind of strawman where I represent “Zionists” and “Hasbara” or whatever. You are not fighting with a real person but with windmills in your head. I have never said anything about rights or abstract morality. All I have done is express scepticism that a boycott of Kleenex will lead to a Switzerland in Palestine.

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