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It’s official, Israel is racing towards early elections. But no one is talking about who can vote in them.

New elections were nearly called in November 2017 after Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman resigned in protest of Israel not going to war with Gaza and right-wing leader Naftali Bennett threatened to pull his party from the coalition if he was not given the defense portfolio. However, Netanyahu outfoxed Bennett by claiming that it was too dangerous a time to go to elections and retained the defense portfolio for himself (Netanyahu is now Israel’s prime minister, defence minister, and foreign minister), utilizing a slim 51% ruling majority.

Until last week it looked like the coalition would hold together with its small majority. But following the Knesset’s inability to reach agreement on a bill dealing with military conscription of the ultra-Orthodox, and, much more importantly, leaked information that the ministry of justice was recommending Netanyahu’s indictment on charges of bribery, on Monday Netanyahu announced “It’s too difficult [to pass laws], we need elections.” With that, the Israeli national election is scheduled to take place on April 9.

Much of the already up and running election coverage is focused on the coming indictment of Netanyahu. Will he be able to stave off the attorney general until April? If he is reelected, will he try to get his coalition partners to pass a measure forbidding the prosecution of a sitting prime minister?

Other election issues under discussion are the certain increase we will see in pandering to settlers. Netanyahu has already begun that.

Absent entirely from the election conversation is the Palestinian population living under Israeli control without voting rights.

20% of Israeli citizens are Palestinian. They can vote in all Israeli elections and have representation in Knesset. However, these Israeli Palestinians represent only about one third of the Palestinians living under Israeli rule and military occupation.

Though the Palestinian Authority and Hamas are the official governments of the West Bank and Gaza, respectively, Israel is really in charge. Israel controls the borders, the currency, and the central bank. It collects taxes on behalf of the Palestinian Authority (PA), maintains the right to carry out military operations on Palestinian land, and controls the amount of freedom, or lack thereof, that Palestinians are granted.

Last year, Israel approved only 54% of the permits that residents of Gaza applied for to travel outside of Gaza for vital medical treatment. Reasons for denying people in Gaza necessary medical treatment are often absurd, such as denying travel because a relative at one time moved from Gaza to the West Bank without Israeli permission. Besides the right of travel, Israel regulates the fuel and building materials available to Gazans, and has at times even controlled the amount of food imports according to the number of calories Gazans should consume.

Israel controls not only the exterior borders of the West Bank but what goes on inside as well. While the Palestinian Authority manages such things as utilities and infrastructure, for much of the West Bank, Israel is the ultimate authority.  Israeli settler regional councils control 40% of West Bank land. Even in areas like Ramallah, supposedly under complete Palestinian Authority control, Israel reserves the right to enter the city at any time, to close streets and shops, burst into homes, and make warrantless arrests.

While the PA does maintain a judicial and penal system, one that itself is incredibly repressive, Palestinians are also subject to Israel’s military court system and such laws as Military Order 101, which bans peaceful protest. Though they are prosecuted in Israeli military courts and serve time in Israeli military prisons, Palestinians have no say over who is appointed to run the Israeli military, let alone the military courts.

Jerusalem was captured by Israel in 1967 and formally, and illegally, annexed in 1980. Common sense might follow that Israel would have then absorbed the East Jerusalem Palestinians, now numbering around 370,000, and made them Israeli citizens.

Rather than holding citizenship, however, Jerusalem Palestinians hold the status of permanent residents, allowing them to vote in municipal, but not national, elections. While this may at first seem a move in the right direction, a closer look reveals careful manipulation of demographics to ensure an at least a 70% Jewish majority at all times. Through such policies as exorbitant taxation, requiring constant proof of residency, and denial of family unification, since 1967 Israel has managed to revoke the residency of 14,595 Palestinian Jerusalemites. Still nervous about the demographics Israeli lawmakers in the Knesset – a body East Jerusalem Palestinians have no representation in – are currently working on annexation of three large settlement blocks surrounding Jerusalem to bring 140,000 Jewish Israelis setters into the municipality, while displacing the current Palestinian population.

Israel has no intention of ending its military occupation. 2019 will mark 52 years of occupation, including 12 years of siege of Gaza, and 26 years since the signing of the Oslo Accords that were supposed to create a Palestinian state. 600,000 Israeli citizens now live in the approximately 200 illegal Israeli settlements that cover the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Even since the announcement of new elections, 2,200 more settlement units have been advanced. While the two-state solution continues to be debated, the one apartheid state without voting rights for all, is barreling ahead.

A look at who is and isn’t allowed to vote in Israel/Palestine reveals Israel’s motivations:

  • Number of Jewish Israelis living in Israel proper, and East Jerusalem, and West Bank settlements: 6.589 million (Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics)
  • Number of Palestinian citizens of Israel (Palestinians who can vote in national elections): 1.5 million (Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics and Jerusalem Municipality)
  • Number of Palestinians in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza who cannot vote in Israeli national elections: 4.88 million (Palestinian Authority Central Bureau of Statistics)

As we continue to watch the indictment and campaigning dramas of Israel’s 2019 elections and we continue to hear the absurd label of Israel as a democratic state, let’s not forget that the right to vote is only granted to 60% of the total population and only to one third of Palestinians who live under Israeli rule.

Ariel Gold

Ariel Gold is the national co-director for CODEPINK and leads their campaigns for Palestinian rights.

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  1. pgtl10 on December 28, 2018, 1:11 pm

    Thanks for bringing this up. This is just the tip of the iceberg too. Outside of voting Palestinians are discriminated against in various facets of life.

  2. Ossinev on December 28, 2018, 2:24 pm

    “(Netanyahu is now Israel’s prime minister, defence minister, and foreign minister),”

    Isn`t he Minister for Skunk Deployment as well?

  3. JaapBo on December 28, 2018, 2:33 pm

    You are forgetting the 1948 Nakba-refugees. Israel cleansed 80-85% of Palestinians. These Palestinians were citizens of Mandate Palestine and as such have a right to be citizens of its legal successor, Israel. Their descendents have this right too. That’s at least 5 million Palestinians who (from the age of 18) also have a right to vote in Israel.

    • mondonut on December 28, 2018, 3:30 pm

      @JaapBo, and as such have a right…

      Is there no end to the imaginary made-up rights of the Palestinians?

      • Mooser on December 28, 2018, 5:06 pm

        “Is there no end to the imaginary made-up rights of the Palestinians?”

        Unlike the not-made-up right of European and American Jews to have a “homeland” in Palestine.

      • mondonut on December 28, 2018, 8:24 pm

        @Mooser, Unlike the not-made-up right of European and American Jews to have a “homeland” in Palestine.

        European and American Jews do not have a right to a homeland in “Palestine”. Any right they have to the same in Israel would be rights provided by the State of Israel.

      • JaapBo on December 29, 2018, 2:35 am

        It’s not imaginary and made-up!

        After the 1948 Nakba these people were stateless, and obviously Israel should have allowed them to return (preventing this return was, and still is, the final act of their ethnic cleansing). Arab states where they ended up had no obligation to offer them citizenship, but Israel, the legal successor of the Mandate, had. these refugees are mostly stateless, as are their descendents, and they have right to be Israeli citizens.

      • eljay on December 29, 2018, 8:56 am

        || mondonut: … European and American Jews do not have a right to a homeland in “Palestine”. Any right they have to the same in Israel would be rights provided by the State of Israel. ||

        They would be rights provided by the religion-supremacist “Jewish State” of colonialist Israel.

        The State of Israel should be concerned providing rights to Jewish and non-Jewish Israelis living in and up to n-generations removed from Partition-borders Israel.

      • mondonut on December 29, 2018, 11:57 am

        @JaapBo, as are their descendents, and they have right to be Israeli citizens.

        You and others may want them to be, but they have no right to be. Israel as a sovereign state is uniquely empowered to decide who is a citizen.

      • amigo on December 29, 2018, 3:18 pm

        “Israel as a sovereign state is uniquely empowered to decide who is a citizen.”.Mondonutter

        Some problems with that statement.

        1, Sovereign Nations have Borders.Please provide map of Internationally accepted borders of the so called Imaginary State of Israel.

        2, There is nothing unique about Sovereign Nations deciding who are their citizens.Why the distinction when it comes to the so called sovereign and democratic Jewish State.

        Dont you ,mean the “Flawed ” Democratic so called sovereign nation of Israel built on land stolen from The Palestinians , the true indigenous inhabitants of those lands.

      • mondonut on December 29, 2018, 5:11 pm

        @amigo, Some problems with that statement.

        1. Israel has borders with each and every adjacent country. Agreed and undisputed with Jordan and Egypt. Declared and disputed with Lebanon and Syria. Further, borders are between countries that share them, they are not “internationally accepted” – and if was not entirely obvious, Israel is not imaginary.

        2. There is nothing unique about Sovereign Nations deciding who are their citizens and distinction was made regarding Israel, their national rights are no different than other countries.

        And no, I did not mean the flawed democratic State of Israel, whose sovereignty is not “so called”.

      • CigarGod on December 29, 2018, 7:50 pm

        Hey Mondonut,
        Is that like The Hallucinatory Kingdom State of Israel?
        100,000 years before a Hebrew letter was first pressed into a mud tablet, hundreds of indigenous villages dotted ‘the land without a Jewish people.’
        But never mind, ALL things are possible when one is prone to hallucinations.
        Now you see it, now you don’t, now you see it…
        Quick, somebody write down what I just saw and get a King to sign it.

      • Shingo on December 29, 2018, 9:13 pm

        1. Israel has borders with each and every adjacent country.

        Israel does respect those either. They occupy parts of Syria and Lebanon.

        Declared and disputed with Lebanon and Syria.

        There is no dispute as no one recognizes claim to those territories.

        2. There is nothing unique about Sovereign Nations deciding who are their citizens and distinction was made regarding Israel, their national rights are no different than other countries.

        It is when those nations illegally occupy and annex territory and arbitrarily decide who does and does not have the right to remain.

  4. mondonut on December 28, 2018, 2:41 pm

    How many countries permit non-citizens to vote in their national elections?

    • Andrew Keith on December 28, 2018, 8:17 pm

      How many countries talks over a land and refuse to grant citizenship to the people living there, in violation of the law of state succession?

      How many countries take over a land and refuse to grant citizenship to the people living there while at the same time colonizing that land with its own citizens, in segregated communities to boot?

      • mondonut on December 28, 2018, 8:28 pm

        @Andrew Keith, How many countries…

        The Israelis have not refused citizenship to the residents of Israel, citizenship was offered and for the most part refused. And BTW, not a law.

      • oldgeezer on December 28, 2018, 11:20 pm

        @mondonut

        bs. Israel has not offered citizenship to the vast majority of peoples who lived, or were living, in the territory currently claimed by Israel. Where such offers have been made the process has been slow and very expensive resulting in an extremely high level of rejection.

        Israel is a racist endevour. Zionism is an extremist racist ideology. It’s adherents are hardcore racists.

      • mondonut on December 29, 2018, 12:08 pm

        @oldgeezer, bs. Israel has not offered citizenship

        Wrong again. Israeli law offers citizenship to anyone (including Arabs) who qualifies. This includes all permanent residents of Jerusalem. And it has been that way since 1952.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_citizenship_law

      • Shingo on December 29, 2018, 9:16 pm

        Israeli law offers citizenship to anyone (including Arabs) who qualifies. This includes all permanent residents of Jerusalem. And it has been that way since 1952.

        Wrong. Israel does not regard as non Jews as qualifying and does not even regard non Jews as having equal right.

      • mondonut on December 29, 2018, 10:47 pm

        @Shingo, Wrong. Israel does not regard as non Jews as qualifying and does not even regard non Jews as having equal right.

        That is a wholesale lie, contrary to Israeli law, every known fact, and evidenced by the thousands of Arab Jerusalemites who have taken citizenship.

      • Shingo on December 30, 2018, 10:04 am

        That is a wholesale lie, contrary to Israeli law, every known fact, and evidenced by the thousands of Arab Jerusalemites who have taken citizenship.

        And still live as 3rd class citizens under more than 50 discriminatory laws, not least of which is the fact that the state does not recognize them as stakeholders in the stage.

        Israel is an apartheid fascist state in which only Jews have rights

      • Talkback on December 31, 2018, 4:52 am

        mondonut: “Israeli law offers citizenship to anyone (including Arabs) who qualifies. This includes all permanent residents of Jerusalem. And it has been that way since 1952. ”

        Exactly. Like a true racist Aparthid state it didn’t offer it to Nonjews who were habitually resident until the declaration of statehood in May 1948, but denied it to those it needed to keep expelled to achieve a Jewish majority to fake being a “democracy”.

    • JaapBo on December 29, 2018, 2:42 am

      You’re asking the wrong question. The right question to ask is why Israel prevents Palestinians that it ethnically cleansed, or that it rules, from getting citizenship.
      The answer is: Zionist racism! Zionism is a racist ideology that gives Jews superior rights to Palestinians.

      E.g. the “Law of Return” is very racist. Jews (who do hold citizenship in another country) are allowed to “return” to Israel and become citizens, but stateless refugees of the 1948 ethnicc cleansings are denied the right to really return, just because they are not Jewish!

      This law shows that racism is in the core of Zionism!

      • mondonut on December 29, 2018, 12:10 pm

        @JaapBo You’re asking the wrong question

        The right question is why anyone would expect non-citizens of a state, in particular hostile non-citizens of a state, to have access to national elections. This whole story is just invented outrage.

      • JaapBo on December 29, 2018, 12:18 pm

        Of course these people are hostile, but that is caused by Israel’s ethnic cleansing of them. If Israel lets them return and gives them equality (and they have a right to both!) that will change.

      • Mooser on December 29, 2018, 1:58 pm

        “If Israel lets them return…”

        Got a great faith in the staying power of the Zionists, and their ability to get superpower backing, don’t you?

      • JaapBo on December 30, 2018, 2:46 am

        @Mooser: You see violence as the solution?
        I prefer something similar to the end of South African Apartheid.

      • Mooser on December 30, 2018, 2:05 pm

        “You see violence as the solution?”

        If Israel is not allowed to shrink to its natural defensible, rational and self-sufficient size and shape there is much more potential for violence.

    • Mayhem on December 29, 2018, 7:26 am

      The ‘Palestinians’ in the disputed territories haven’t had their own elections for twelve years; it is their leadership that makes a mockery of the principle of democracy.

      • Shingo on December 30, 2018, 10:09 am

        The ‘Palestinians’ in the disputed territories haven’t had their own elections for twelve years; it is their leadership that makes a mockery of the principle of democracy.

        There are no disputed territories only occupied territories. As for the absence of elections, you can blame Israel for that. The last time elections were held, Israel punished the Palestinians for voting the wrong way and rejected the outcome.

        Don’t you remember Hillary regretting the US holding the elections and not being able to guarantee the outcome? She said the US/Israel should not allow elections to be held in future unless the result could be rigged

      • Mayhem on January 1, 2019, 9:20 pm

        @Shingo, despite your wish it remains a fact that the territories earmarked for ‘Palestinian’ nationhood are disputed. Refer List of terroritorial disputes on Wikipedia.
        Yes the last elections saw the vote go for Hamas (a front for terror) indicating that the ‘Palestinians’ have no supportable case at the moment for nationhood. Israel can hardly endorse an organisation steeped in Jew-hatred that is bent on its destruction.

      • annie on January 1, 2019, 9:57 pm

        under international law they are not disputed. israel disputes international law. even in your link in the graph it says “See Israeli–Palestinian conflict” that’s the only notes, with a link. and when you do there it says:

        Israeli military occupation of the West Bank
        See also: Israeli-occupied territories, West Bank § Status, Positions on Jerusalem, and Status of territories captured by Israel

        Occupied Palestinian Territory is the term used by the United Nations to refer to the West Bank, including East Jerusalem,[184] and the Gaza Strip—territories which were captured by Israel during the 1967 Six-Day War, having formerly been controlled by Egypt and Jordan.[185] The Israeli government uses the term Disputed Territories, to argue that some territories cannot be called occupied as no nation had clear rights to them and there was no operative diplomatic arrangement when Israel acquired them in June 1967.[186][187] The area is still referred to as Judea and Samaria, based on the historical regional names from ancient times. This is also the name used on the 1947 UN Partition Plan.[188]

        anyone can edit wiki. the reason the UN uses the term occupied is because that is the way the territory is recognized internationally and under international law.

      • Talkback on January 2, 2019, 6:25 am

        Mayhem: “@Shingo, despite your wish it remains a fact that the territories earmarked for ‘Palestinian’ nationhood are disputed.”

        That simply means that Israel wants to claim this land, too. Are you suprised? Israel’s whole history is nothing else but belligerent conquest and illegal annexation in the post Nazi era.

        But the legal status of this “territories” are that they integral parts of the occupied and recognized State of Palestine. Not even the Supreme Apartheid Court of Israel contests the view that the Westbank is under belligerent occupation.

    • Andrew Keith on December 29, 2018, 1:43 pm

      Modonunt, the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza have not been offered citizenship. You can make the disingenuous. argument that Gaza and the West Bank are not part of Israel, but people see through this dirty game at this point. It’s called apartheid on steroids.

      • mondonut on December 29, 2018, 5:16 pm

        @Andrew Keith, the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza have not been offered citizenship.

        Of course they have not been offered citizenship, they are not resident in Israel. And it is not disingenuous to understand that Gaza and the West Bank are not Israel, it is simply the recognition of reality.

      • Shingo on December 30, 2018, 10:10 am

        And it is not disingenuous to understand that Gaza and the West Bank are not Israel, it is simply the recognition of reality.

        Glad you admit there is no such thing as disputed territory after all. You clearly mispoke

      • mondonut on December 30, 2018, 12:02 pm

        @Shingo, Glad you admit there is no such thing as disputed territory after all. You clearly mispoke

        Yet another lie, the West Bank is not Israel and it remains disputed territory.

      • Talkback on December 31, 2018, 4:36 am

        mondonut: “… the West Bank is not Israel and it remains disputed territory.”

        Sure. As Israel remains “disputed territory”.

    • Shingo on December 29, 2018, 9:14 pm

      How many countries permit non-citizens to vote in their national elections?

      How many countries illegally annex territory they have no claim to them arbitrarily decided who does and does not have rights?

  5. Veti on December 28, 2018, 2:42 pm

    Good info Ariel, so many believe that Israel is a Democracy, it is so far from Democracy. Even down to ID Cards stating Jew or Arab, that miles long Apartheid Wall. Different roads for Jews and Palestinians in the West Bank, and the endless military check points that Palestinians are subjected to. Israel is an illegal occupation.

    • mondonut on December 28, 2018, 3:34 pm

      @Veti, so many believe that Israel is a Democracy, it is so far from Democracy.

      Israeli ID cards do not state Jew or Arab and there are no roads that are different for Jews and Palestinians. And the wall and West Bank checkpoints have no bearing on Israel being a parliamentary democracy.

      • Misterioso on December 29, 2018, 9:26 am

        @As is common knowledge:

        Regarding Palestinian Arab citizens of “Israel,” i.e. west of the green line:

        Israel is and always has been governed under an apartheid system:
        Hendrik Verwoerd, then prime minister of South Africa and the architect of South Africa’s apartheid policies, 1961: “Israel, like South Africa, is an apartheid state.” (Rand Daily Mail, November 23, 1961)

        Jacobus Johannes Fouché, South African Minister of Defence during the apartheid era, compared the two states and said that Israel also practiced apartheid.
        (Gideon Shimoni (1980). Jews and Zionism: The South African Experience 1910-1967. Cape Town: Oxford UP. pp. 310–336. ISBN 0195701798.

        “Former Foreign Ministry director-general invokes South Africa comparisons. ‘Joint Israel-West Bank’ reality is an apartheid state”
        EXCERPT: “Similarities between the ‘original apartheid’ as it was practiced in South Africa and the situation in ISRAEL [my emphasis] and the West Bank today ‘scream to the heavens,’ added [Alon] Liel, who was Israel’s ambassador in Pretoria from 1992 to 1994. There can be little doubt that the suffering of Palestinians is not less intense than that of blacks during apartheid-era South Africa, he asserted.” (Times of Israel, February 21, 2013)

        In its 2015 Country Report on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories issued in 2016, the U.S. Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor acknowledges the “institutional and societal discrimination against Arab citizens of Israel.” (U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor)

        “Construction, Not Destruction”
        “While Israeli Arabs constitute 20 percent of the population, Arab communities’ jurisdictions occupy just 2.5 percent of the state’s land area, and the process of approving new construction in Arab towns takes decades.” (Haaretz Editorial, April 4, 2017)

        One example of apartheid within Israel:
        “Jewish town won’t let Arab build home on his own land ”
        Excerpt: “Aadel Suad first came to the planning and construction committee of the Misgav Local Council in 1997. Suad, an educator, was seeking a construction permit to build a home on a plot of land he owns in the community of Mitzpeh Kamon. The reply he got, from a senior official on the committee, was a memorable one. ‘Don’t waste your time,’ he reportedly told Suad. ‘We’ll keep you waiting for 30 years.’” (Haaretz, 14 December 2009)

        Adi Ophir, professor of philosophy, Tel Aviv University: “…the adoption of the political forms of an ethnocentric and racist nation-state in general, are turning Israel into the most dangerous place in the world for the humanity and morality of the Jewish community, for the continuity of Jewish cultures and perhaps for Jewish existence itself.” (1998 issue of “Theory and Criticism,” published in Israel)

        Ilan Pappe, then professor of political science at Haifa University: “[Israel’s] political system [is] exclusionary, a pro forma democracy – going through the motions of democratic rule but essentially being akin to apartheid or Herenvolk (‘master race’) democracy.” (“Jerusalem Report,” Feb. 14/2000)

        Ronnie Kasrils, a key player in the struggle against the former South African apartheid regime, minister for intelligence and a devout Jew: “The Palestinian minority in Israel has for decades been denied basic equality in health, education, housing and land possession, solely because it is not Jewish. The fact that this minority is allowed to vote hardly redresses the rampant injustice in all other basic human rights. They are excluded from the very definition of the ‘Jewish state’, and have virtually no influence on the laws, or political, social and economic policies. Hence, their similarity to the black South Africans [under apartheid].” (The Guardian, 25 May 2005)

        Shlomo Gazit, retired IDF Major General: “[Israel’s] legal system that enforces the law in a discriminatory way on the basis of national identity, is actually maintaining an apartheid regime.” (Haaretz, July 19, 2011)

        The effect of Israel’s blatantly racist “Citizenship Law” and more than fifty other restrictions Arab citizens have to endure is well expressed by writer and Knesset member, Ahmed Tibi, “…dutifully defining the state [of Israel] as ‘Jewish and democratic,’ ignores the fact that in practice ‘democratic’ refers to Jews, and the Arabs are nothing more than citizens without citizenship.” (Ma’ariv, 1.6.2005)

      • mondonut on December 29, 2018, 11:53 am

        @Misterioso, As is common knowledge:

        Not sure what this reply is intended to be, but it neither answers nor disputes anything I said.

      • RoHa on December 29, 2018, 8:03 pm

        Israel fails to meet Björklund’s “equal distribution of power and influence” criterion in respect of the Palestinian Israeli citizens.

        It also fails to meet Wolff’s “power only over the people who make up the electorate” in respect of the West Bank.

        So it fails to be a democracy on both those criteria.

        Of course, Björklund and Wolff were only university professors.

      • Shingo on December 30, 2018, 10:25 am

        Israeli ID cards do not state Jew or Arab and there are no roads that are different for Jews and Palestinians.

        Wrong. Israel does not recognize Israeli nationality. Israeli ID cards identify identify Jewish and non Jewish nationality.

        The apartheid roads are Jewish only as no Arabs are permitted to live in the illegal settlements.

        And the wall and West Bank checkpoints have no bearing on Israel being a parliamentary democracy.

        Of course they do as they are as their entire purpose is to maintain the non democratic control of land Israel has stolen. There is nothing less democratic

      • mondonut on December 30, 2018, 11:56 am

        @Shingo
        Wrong. Israel does not recognize Israeli nationality. Israeli ID cards identify identify Jewish and non Jewish nationality.
        The apartheid roads are Jewish only as no Arabs are permitted to live in the illegal settlements
        Of course they do as they are as their entire purpose is to maintain the non democratic control of land Israel has stolen.

        Israeli ID cards identify Jewish nationality? How so when they do not identity ethnicity?
        The roads you are lying about are restricted by license plate, not Jew/Arab.
        Israel is a parliamentary democracy within Israel. The West Bank is not and will not be until the Palestinians agree to come to terms.

      • RoHa on December 30, 2018, 7:44 pm

        “The West Bank is not and will not be until the Palestinians agree to come to terms.”

        Unfortunately, the only terms Israel will accept is that the Palestinians all drop dead or leave Palestine.

      • Talkback on December 31, 2018, 4:44 am

        mondonut: “The West Bank is not and will not be until the Palestinians agree to come to terms.”

        The West Bank is allready Palestinian. That’s why its official legal status is under “belligerent occupation”. ” Even the supreme Apartheid Court of the occupying state acknowledges it in its rulings. In fact nobody else than the shmocks in the Kahane Continuum think that it isn’t.

      • Talkback on December 31, 2018, 5:34 am

        Mondonut: “The roads you are lying about are restricted by license plate, not Jew/Arab.”

        ‘Arabs prohibited’: Main West Bank road barred to Palestinians as army protects settlers’ prayer
        https://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/.premium-palestinians-barred-from-road-linking-villages-in-the-west-bank-1.5990900

  6. Kay24 on December 29, 2018, 1:32 am

    Israel is a democracy in name only. What kind of democracy will recognize the rights of only their citizens, while ignoring the plight, refuse to give freedom, collectively punish, and occupy their neighbors for decades?
    Add to that no democracy will keep stealing disputed lands, for illegal settlements, breaking international laws, to house their people, including some of their brutal terrorists?

    • Misterioso on December 29, 2018, 9:31 am

      @Kay24

      With respect, a correction re “Add to that no democracy will keep stealing disputed lands…”
      The lands you refer to are in fact illegally, belligerently (and brutally) occupied by Israel in gross violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, i.e., “collective punishment.”

      • Kay24 on December 29, 2018, 11:15 am

        I stand corrected Misterioso :))

  7. Ossinev on December 29, 2018, 1:18 pm

    @mondonut
    “The Israelis have not refused citizenship to the residents of Israel, citizenship was offered and for the most part refused. And BTW, not a law.”

    For information ref Palestinian residents of illegally annexed East Jerusalem:
    https://www.jpost.com/jerusalem/The-Israelization-of-east-Jerusalem-552835

    All very academic now of course because Israel/Palestine largely due to the overwhelming braindead arrogance of extreme right wing Zioloons is well on its way to become a single state for all native residents between the Jordan and the Med.

    Three stages:
    1) Flagrant Apartheid with bespoke Ziostyle Bantustans.
    2) International isolation,boycotts and sanctions.
    3) A multicultural , secular equal rights for all democratic state.

    Will be fascinating in stage 2) watching all the birthright Ziorats scrambling to get off the Apartheid ship and returning to Brooklyn and all the other corners of the earth to whence they were banished (not) by those nasty Romans and where they belong.

    Tick tick.

    • mondonut on December 29, 2018, 5:28 pm

      @Ossinev

      Don’t hold your breath waiting on your fantasy to come about. But for the record, I fully support a plebiscite of the West Bank Palestinians and should they agree, annexation and an offer of full citizenship rights.

      • annie on December 29, 2018, 5:46 pm

        mondonut, what good are full citizenship rights if there’s a whole slew of national rights only afforded to half the citizens?

      • mondonut on December 29, 2018, 6:08 pm

        @annie, what good are full citizenship rights if there’s a whole slew of national rights only afforded to half the citizens?

        That would be decided by any person who has the option to become a citizen. If someone thinks that the opportunity to fully participate in the political process has no value, then they should keep their current status.

  8. DaBakr on December 29, 2018, 8:02 pm

    Jewish sovereignty. If you don’t understand the concept or disagree and think it should be abolished then just say it. Don’t hide behind the convoluted explanation that judaism is a ‘choice’ as a national ethnic religious identity while the constructed palestinian identity is more legitimate as a separate but virulent national identity. just curious why it’s so difficult for some here to say israel (as in the israel that is the sovereign state of jews with civil and legal rights for all citizens, all races, all religions, all sexual orientation and nationality.) should be destroyed as it has currently existed since ’48.

    In fact, if the far future could be foretold and it was that modern Israel was ultimately destroyed(which, depending on how far off, is not at all far fetched) I seriously doubt the type of nations that slow free discussion like mondoweiss commentary will be all that common if they exist at all. but then israelis are always pegged as so arrogant.

    • Mooser on December 29, 2018, 8:20 pm

      “Jewish sovereignty.”

      And Israel can have all the Jewish sovereignty it can afford.

    • Shingo on December 29, 2018, 9:24 pm

      Jewish sovereignty. If you don’t understand the concept or disagree and think it should be abolished then just say it.

      I’ll happily say it. Jewish sovereignty is every bit as absurd as white sovereignty or white nationalism. Need we remind you about how white nationalist Spencer says he wants Zionism for white people and says Israeli supporters should support his quest for a white supremacist state.

      You should be embarrassed to even suppport it

      • Mooser on December 30, 2018, 2:00 pm

        “Jewish sovereignty is every bit as absurd as white sovereignty”

        Not at all! When you think of the number of people who could unite under the rubric “white”, and compare to the number of Jewish people, demanding “Jewish sovereignty” becomes many many times more absurd.

    • eljay on December 30, 2018, 1:11 am

      || DaBakr: Jewish sovereignty. If you don’t understand the concept or disagree and think it should be abolished then just say it. Don’t hide behind the convoluted explanation that judaism is a ‘choice’ as a national ethnic religious identity while the constructed palestinian identity is more legitimate … ||

      Jewish is a religion-based identity. Palestinian is a geography-based identity. Both to some extent are choices. Only one – Palestinian – comprises a right to a state of and for all of its inhabitants and people up to n-generations removed from the region.

      If you don’t understand or disagree that “Jewish sovereignty” is necessarily a supremacist construct, just say it. Don’t hide behind convoluted explanations or, worse, hateful and deliberately destructive accusations of anti-Semitism and “Jew hatred”.

      • Talkback on December 31, 2018, 4:22 am

        eljay: “Palestinian is a geography-based identity.”

        It’s a nation-based identity since 1925.

  9. DaBakr on December 29, 2018, 8:17 pm

    Ariel Gold knows very well she was subjected to the laws of a democratic state especially when she was questioned and ultimately denied entry into Israel. She was subjected to laws that were voted on by that e majority of the Knesset. That people here as well as Gold don’t like it? Well, they are free to complain about it privately and publicly in the press, which she seeks out and often gets.

    All citizens of israel can vote. if she campaigned in her native US that all mexicans with family in the US should be given the vote she would be laughed of the stage. Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza not only don’t want Israeli citizenship they don’t want israeli anything. Afaik, they want palestine and last I heard they don’t want any Jews there either

    • Shingo on December 29, 2018, 9:26 pm

      All citizens of israel can vote. if she campaigned in her native US that all mexicans with family in the US should be given the vote she would be laughed of the stage

      They would if the US defined itself as the state of the Christian people and ONLY the Christian people.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius on December 30, 2018, 1:58 pm

      “Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza not only don’t want Israeli citizenship they don’t want israeli anything.”

      Whether they like it or not, they get Israeli squatters, Israeli militants, Israeli checkpoints, Israeli religious fanatics etc etc.

      The fact is that the OT are to all extents and purposes, a part of Israel. Israeli transport maps list them as such. They are considered part of Israel for electoral and taxation purposes, and so on. Problem is, most people living there hae the audacity not to be Jewish, and therefore not welcome in a state where only Jews are considered true citizens.

  10. Ossinev on December 30, 2018, 1:25 pm

    @Mondonut
    ” Israel is a parliamentary democracy within Israel. The West Bank is not and will not be until the Palestinians agree to come to terms”

    “But for the record, I fully support a plebiscite of the West Bank Palestinians and should they agree, annexation and an offer of full citizenship rights”

    Great news. You have accepted the option of a one state solution !!

    I think you also qualify for MWeiss`s self compromising Jew of the Year award 2018.

    I think we all suspected you would get there in the end.

    BTW My “fantasy” as you referred to it has zero biblical claptrap in its makeup unlike the real fantasy being lived out by colonial settler invaders from Brooklyn etc.

    Get your fantasies right.

  11. Ossinev on December 30, 2018, 1:41 pm

    Off topic ? but hopefully a sign of big changes ahead. The New York Times today has a lead repeat lead homepage article on the premeditated murder by the most moral of the young Palestinian medic Roujan Al-Najjar:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/30/world/middleeast/gaza-medic-israel-shooting.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    And they point the finger squarely at the IDF:
    “On June 1, an Israeli soldier shot into a crowd, killing a volunteer medic named Rouzan al-Najjar. Israeli officials say soldiers only use live fire as a last resort. Our investigation shows otherwise. We analyzed over 1,000 photos and videos, froze the fatal moment in a 3-D model of the protest, and interviewed more than 30 witnesses and I.D.F. commanders to reveal how Rouzan was killed”.

    And ! they are talking about possible Israeli war crimes !

    Tick tick

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius on December 30, 2018, 2:01 pm

      But at the same time the heading refers to the killing as being ‘complicated’, when the killing of an unarmed medic by an occupation sniper really wasn’t ‘complicated’ at all. I think this is an example of the NYT showing how ‘balanced’ they are by reporting on a story which is impossible to spin positively for Israel – and even then, doing so months after the fact and pretending that ‘it’s complicated’.

  12. Ossinev on December 31, 2018, 7:11 am

    @MDM
    I take your point ref the use of the term”complicated” which is the main spin weapon for LEP commentators but would point out that the fact that NYT chose to “re-open” the story and to lead on it “months after the fact” suggests that changes are afoot ?

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