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US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced on Monday that the US was softening its position on Israel’s network of settlements in the occupied Palestinain territory, saying it was revoking the notion that settlements are illegal under international law — a notion recognized by the rest of the world as factual and true.

“The Trump administration is reversing the Obama administration’s approach to Israeli settlements,” Pompeo said in his opening remarks at a press conference in Washington, D.C.

Pompeo said that the Trump administration would be departing from the Carter administration’s 1978 legal opinion — which served as the basis for the long-standing U.S. policy on settlements —  which states that Israel’s establishment of Jewish-only settlements was “inconsistent with international law.”

Calling Israeli settlements illegal under international law, Pompeo said, “hasn’t worked” and  “hasn’t advanced the cause of peace.”

“The hard truth is there will never be a judicial resolution to the conflict, and arguments about who is right and wrong as a matter of international law will not bring peace,” he said.

“The establishment of Israeli civilian settlements in the West Bank is not per se inconsistent with international law,” Pompeo declared, adding that the administration was “expressing no view on the legal status of any individual settlement.”

According to Pompeo, one of the considerations taken by the administration leading up to the decision were the “confirmed the legality of certain settlement activities” by the Israeli legal system — a system that has been widely criticized as serving to uphold the structures of Israel’s occupation rather than one aimed at achieving justice and equality for all.

He went on to say that this decision was not meant to be a judgement on the status of the West Bank or Israeli sovereignty in the territory.  “This is for the Israelis and the Palestinians to negotiate.”

“The United States remains deeply committed to helping facilitate peace, and I will do everything I can to help this cause.  The United States encourages the Israelis and the Palestinians to resolve the status of Israeli settlements in the West Bank in any final status negotiations,” he concluded.

Outrage in Palestine, celebration in Israel

Monday’s announcement was the latest in a series of efforts by the Trump administration — declaring occupied Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, recognizing Israeli sovereignty in the Golan Heights, and the movement of the US embassy to Jeruaslem — aimed at weaking Palestinian claims of statehood.

“The announcement marks a continuation of the Trump Administration’s efforts to undermine years of progress on refining parameters for an agreed-upon resolution of the core issues of the conflict,” Israeli settlement watchdog Peace Now said in a statement. 

The group called the announcement “an Orwellian absurdity,” saying “no declaration will change the fact that the settlements were built on occupied territory, in contravention of international law, and that they pose among the greatest obstacles to peace.”

The European Union released a statement immediately after Pompeo’s remarks, saying “all settlement activity is illegal under international law and it erodes the viability of the two-state solution and the prospects for a lasting peace.”

The statement went on to call on Israel to cease all settlement activity “in line with its obligations as an occupying power.”

PLO Executive committee member Hanan Ashrawi called the policy change “outrageous and horrific” in a statement, and reaffirmed the widely held position that settlements are a “grave violation of international law.”

Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat reacted to the news, saying “Israeli settlements steal Palestinian land, seize and exploit Palestinian natural resources, and divide, displace and restrict the movement of the people of Palestine.”

“In sum, Israel’s colonial-settlement enterprise perpetuates the negation of the Palestinian right to self-determination,” he said.

Nabil Abu Rdeineh, spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, said “the U.S. administration has lost its credibility to play any future role in the peace process.”

Meanwhile, Israel and its supporters welcomed the decision. According to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, he spoke to Trump on the phone after the announcement to thank him for “correcting a historical injustice.”

“I said to President Trump that we are not in a foreign land. This is our homeland for over 3,000 years. The reason that we are called “Jews” is because we came from here, from Judea,” he continued, referring to the Hebrew name for the West Bank.

Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs Israel Katz also took to Twitter to celebrate the decision, saying “there’s no dispute about the right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel.”

Nail in the coffin of two-state solution

The policy reversal comes at a pivotal time in regional politics, as Netanyahu, an ardent supporter of the settlements and annexation, struggles to hold onto power, and the Palestinian Authority continues to suffer financial and political blows at the hands of the US and its allies.

Michael Lynk, Canadian law professor and UN human rights expert, told Mondoweiss that by legitimizing Israeli settlements, that US has put the “very last nail in the coffin of the two state solution.”

Lynk emphasized the fact that “the illegality of the Israeli settlements has been accepted by virtually every country in the world,” and by departing with this consensus, the US is legitimizing “the significant human rights and humanitarian violations perpetuated by the settlements.”

“This effectively grants permission to the Israeli government to formally annex large parts of the occupied West Bank. This will only confirm a one state reality characterized by a rigid two-tier system of legal and political rights, based on ethnicity and religion,” Lynk said. “This would meet the international definition of apartheid.”

Palestinian-American activist and human rights lawyer Noura Erekat expressed to Mondoweiss that she wasn’t particularly surprised by Pompeo’s announcement or what seems to be a sudden change in US foreign policy.

“What Pompeo is announcing is not a rupture in US foreign policy, but a culmination of it,” she said, adding that since 1967 the U.S. has “spoken out of both sides of its mouth.”

On the one hand, the US has maintained, until now, that settlements are inconsistent with international law and counterproductive to the peace process, but “out of the other side of its mouth, the US has provided Israel with unequivocal military, financial, and diplomatic aid in order to continue that settlement process,” Erekat said.

Erekat highlighted the fact that since the early 1990s until today, Israeli settlement expansion has increased by 200%.

“So this is the culmination of what every administration has done,” she told Mondoweiss. “The only difference is that Trump removed the Emperor’s clothes.”

Yumna Patel

Yumna Patel is the Palestine correspondent for Mondoweiss.

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  1. bcg on November 18, 2019, 6:45 pm

    Can we stop with the two-state stuff already? The two state solution is only possible in the sense that it wouldn’t violate the laws of physics.

    It’s either one state or apartheid.

    • mondonut on November 19, 2019, 9:14 am

      State 1 : Israel and the West Bank.
      State 2 : The Islamic State of Gaza.

      • eljay on November 19, 2019, 10:29 am

        || mon donut: State 1 : Israel and the West Bank.
        State 2 : The Islamic State of Gaza. ||

        State 1: Israel – the secular and democratic state of and for all of the citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees in and from within its / Partition border, equally.

        State 2: Palestine – the secular and democratic state of and for all of the citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees in and from within its / Partition borders, equally.

        State(let) 3: Free City of Jerusalem – the secular and democratic state(let) of and for all of the citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees in and from within its / Partition borders, equally.

        No supremacist Islamic state. No supremacist Jewish state.

      • Misterioso on November 20, 2019, 9:34 am

        @mondonut

        The obvious solution: Palestinians and Jews return to their actual homelands, i.e., Palestinians return to Palestine, the lands between the River and the Sea where prior to about 1,250,000 being brutally dispossessed and expelled by Zionist Jews of foreign origin, they and their ancestors had lived continuously for at least 15,000 years and Jews return to Poland, Russia, Europe, the U.S., etc., their lands of origin.

      • Mooser on November 20, 2019, 8:22 pm

        Yeah “Mondonut” is real eager to divide up the Palestinian gold mine.

    • Misterioso on November 20, 2019, 4:25 pm

      @bcg, etal

      Breaking news:

      KUDOS TO CANADA!!

      https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/canada-united-nations-palestine-israel_ca_5dd57942e4b0fc53f20cd405?utm_hp_ref=ca-news

      “Canada Votes At United Nations To Back Palestinian Self-Determination
      The Trump administration is arguing Israel’s West Bank settlements are legal.”

      Huffington Post, Nov. 20/19

      Excerpt:
      OTTAWA — “Canada has affirmed it does not share the Trump administration’s view that Israel’s settlements in the West Bank are legal under international law, casting a vote supporting Palestinian self-determination at the United Nations.

      “A senior government official, speaking anonymously because of the sensitivity of the Middle East file, says Canada deemed it necessary to change its voting habits at the UN this week and support a resolution that Israel opposed.

      “On Monday, the United States reversed four decades of foreign policy when Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced that the U.S. is no longer guided by a 1978 State Department legal opinion that the West Bank settlements of Israeli civilians were ‘inconsistent’ with international law.”

      • just on November 20, 2019, 5:42 pm

        “UN Security Council Members Slam U.S. Policy Shift on Israeli Settlements

        UN Security Council members have rebuked the U.S. announcement that it no longer considers Israeli settlements in the West Bank to be a violation of international law. They’re stressing that the settlements are illegal and undermine a potential two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

        The council’s monthly Mideast meeting, just two days after the U.S. announcement, was dominated by negative reaction to the new American policy.

        Israel’s ambassador to the UN, Danny Danon, came out against European countries, who, at the beginning of the session, reiterated the EU position that “all settlement activity is illegal under international law and it erodes the viability of the two-state solution and the prospects for a lasting peace.”

        “We call on Israel to end all settlement activity, in line with its obligations as an occupying power,” a joint statement against the U.S. policy shift issued by Germany, Belgium, France, Poland and the U.K. said. Russia similarly said the State Department’s decision could lead to regional escalation.

        “When Palestinians see that their battles are being fought for them, why would they agree to come to the negotiating table where they would have to compromise?” the ambassador said, adding it was one of two obstacles to peace – together with “the Palestinian Authority’s incitement against Israel and the Jewish people.”

        Danon, who is known as a staunch supporter of annexation, and hawkish in his views of the conflict with the Palestinians, saluted the Trump administration’s decision to revise the illegal character of the West Bank settlements.

        “This policy rights a historical wrong,” Danon told the Council. “Judea and Samaria are inseparable parts of the Jewish people’s homeland,” he said, using the Biblical name for the West Bank, which is widely used in Israel. …”

        more @ https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-un-security-council-to-convene-after-u-s-policy-shift-on-settlements-1.8156208

  2. lonely rico on November 18, 2019, 9:00 pm

    Calling Israeli settlements illegal under international law, Pompeo said, “hasn’t worked” and “hasn’t advanced the cause of peace.”

    One of the rare occasions dumpy Mike speaks the truth.
    Acknowledging the criminality of the settlements has not helped the cause of justice and peace one whit. The reason – the USA, while giving lip service to the judgment of international law, has given massive political, economic, and military support to Israeli theft, murder, and destruction of the Palestinians.

    The hard truth is there will never be a judicial resolution to the conflict …” he said.

    Right again Mike.
    There will be a resolution to the conflict only when the US stops its unconditional support for the cruel racist Israeli repression of the indigenous people of Palestine.

    • Misterioso on November 20, 2019, 11:25 am

      @lonely rico, et al

      For the record:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYg3VW2wWv4

      A short video: “A Week in the Life of a Palestinian Child” October 3-9, 2019

    • James Canning on November 20, 2019, 11:34 am

      The US refused to recognize the “annexation” of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, by the Soviet Union. How did that “work out”? All three countries today are independent.

      The fact illegal settlements by Jews have proliferated in the occupied West Bank and Golan Heights, does not operate to transfer title.

      The arrogance and ignorance demonstrated by Pompeo and Trump in this matter is truly shocking.

  3. JWalters on November 18, 2019, 9:14 pm

    “arguments about who is right and wrong as a matter of international law will not bring peace”

    “Peace” will come from obliterating the Palestinians, according to Netanyahu and Trump.

    • James Canning on November 20, 2019, 11:36 am

      Does Sheldon Adelson favor the “obliteration” of the Palestinians?

      • annie on November 20, 2019, 12:04 pm

        vs what? their existence? probably.

  4. Kay24 on November 19, 2019, 4:44 am

    It is ridiculous for the world to keep being outraged. By now they know that Trump is doing Adelson’s bidding, and is going against international laws, and will keep doing so.
    Instead of being outraged perhaps the rest of the world should unite and defy the US by helping the Palestinians find their freedom, and make sure they are able to live in dignity. If it means boycotting Israel so be it. The US, UK, and the EU, must take responsibility for acting as enablers, to the world’s most brutal occupier in our lifetime, and right this wrong.

    • eljay on November 19, 2019, 7:51 am

      || Kay24: It is ridiculous for the world to keep being outraged. … ||

      I agree, especially since the world chooses to be complicit.

  5. eljay on November 19, 2019, 5:42 am

    Wow, ol’ Don “neutral on I-P” Trump is really putting the screws to Bibi!

    … “I said to President Trump that we are not in a foreign land. This is our homeland for over 3,000 years. The reason that we are called “Jews” is because we came from here, from Judea,” …

    Bibi lies like a Zionist. Jewish is a religion-based identity – “Judea” has nothing to do with it.

    • Nathan on November 19, 2019, 9:49 am

      Wow, eljay, you don’t have very impressive language skills. Let’s start with the English language. “Jewish” is an adjective, so one says “a Jewish festival”, but no one uses “Jewish” as a noun as in your very manipulative sentence (“Jewish is a religion-based identity…”). It’s manipulative, because you are avoiding using the noun “Judaism”. The term “Judaism” is based on the word “Judah”, and obviously it means the religion of the Judeans (those whose origin is the tribe of Judah / the land of Judah / Kingdom of Judah).

      I would imagine that you can’t even write your own name in Hebrew, so I’ll be happy to give you your first lesson in the language (albeit in the Latin script). “Judah” (as in the name of a Biblical character, and as in the tribe and as in the kingdom that existed in antiquity) is in Hebrew YEHUDAH. “A Jew” (a noun) and “Jewish” (an adjective”) is YEHUDI. Notice the amazing similarity between the two words. The reason is obvious: the Jews originate from the land of Judah. It’s exactly the logic of the English term Judaism, and it’s the same logic as in the German term “Jude” or in the Spanish term “judio”.

      It’s really an interesting phenomenon among the anti-Israel crowd that there is this need to deny history in order to present an anti-Israel argument. So, one hears often that “the Bible is just a legend”, or that the “Jews are descendants of converts to Judaism”. Mahmoud Abbas wrote an entire PhD in order to “prove” an alternative version of the Holocaust. I really don’t understand why an anti-Israel person would have difficulty being anti-Israel while at the same time knowing that there really was a Kingdom of Judah as mentioned in the Bible, and that today’s Jews are the descendants of the Judeans (and, yes, converts to Judaism joined them throughout the years). Perhaps the reason that you called the connection between Jews and Judea a “lie” is that you are lacking self-confidence. It’s as if you are afraid that the historic validity of the Jewish narrative endangers your opposition to the existence of Israel. Give it a try, eljay. You can use the noun Judaism and you can accept the obvious truth that the Jews originated from Biblical Judah, and I can promise you that the sun will still rise tomorrow morning (and they’ll still allow you to continue copy-pasting your opposition to Israel on this website).

      • eljay on November 19, 2019, 10:13 am

        || Nathan: Wow, eljay, you don’t have very impressive language skills. … ||

        Me not so smart like you.

        || … Let’s start with the English language. “Jewish” is an adjective … ||

        I agree: It’s an adjective.

        || … Judeans (those whose origin is … the land of Judah … ). … “Judah” … is in Hebrew YEHUDAH. “A Jew” … is YEHUDI. Notice the amazing similarity between the two words. The reason is obvious: the Jews originate from the land of Judah. … ||

        Nathan, the power of your intellect cannot be denied. I understand exactly what you’re saying: Every person ever born in or descended from someone who was born in “the land of Judah” is Jewish.

        It is entirely clear that Zionists should immediately repatriate all the Palestinian/Arab YEHUDI (regardless of their religious beliefs) back to the ancient and eternal homes and lands from which they were anti-Semitically expelled by Zionists.

        I sincerely thank you, Nathan.

        Let the furious back-pedalling begin.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius on November 19, 2019, 10:28 am

        “Jews are descendants of converts to Judaism”.

        Most of them are though.

        How else do you explain why a small, non seafaring population produced such a large number of descendants? It’s believed that at one time, Jews made up perhaps 1 in 10 of the population of the Roman empire. It’s simply not credible that they all physically originated in Palestine.

      • eljay on November 19, 2019, 12:12 pm

        ||Maximus: “Jews are descendants of converts to Judaism”.

        Most of them are though. … ||

        Every single person who is Jewish is Jewish either because s/he:
        – underwent a religious conversion to Judaism; or
        – is descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism.

        If being Jewish had anything to do with “the land of Judah” as Nathan claims it does, every single person ever born in or descended from someone who was born in “the land of Judah” – either prior to or subsequent to the invention of Judaism – would be Jewish. (And no person not born there or descended from someone who was born there wouldn’t be Jewish.)

        But that’s not the case because being from “the land of Judah” isn’t enough to make a person Jewish (not even if they also happen to know Hebrew). A religious conversion to Judaism (which also has the magical benefit of altering a person’s geographical origin) is required somewhere along the line.

        I don’t know why Nathan hates the fact that his identity is actually religion-based and not geographically-based.

        Actually, I do know why: It interferes with his Zionist belief that he has not only a valid claim to geographic Palestine but also a claim more valid than the one inconveniently held by the indigenous population of the region.

      • eljay on November 19, 2019, 1:24 pm

        || eljay: … (And no person not born there or descended from someone who was born there wouldn’t be Jewish.) … ||

        Hmmm…that’s kinda messy, so I’ll rephrase: (And any person who was not born there or who was descended from someone who was not born there would not be Jewish.)

      • Misterioso on November 20, 2019, 8:54 am

        @Nathan

        A brief look at reality:

        The Jebusite/Canaanites were ancestors of today’s Palestinians and it was they who founded Jerusalem circa 3000 BCE. Originally known as Jebus, the first recorded reference to it as “Rushalimum” or “Urussalim,” site of the sacred Foundation Rock, appears in Egyptian Execration Texts of the nineteenth century BCE, nearly 800 years before it is alleged King David was born. Its name “seems to have incorporated the name of the Syrian god Shalem [the Canaanite God of Dusk], who was identified with the setting sun or the evening star…and] can probably be translated as ‘Shalem has founded’.” (Karen Armstrong, Jerusalem, One City, Three Faiths; Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1996, pp. 6-7)

        It is estimated that the Hebrews did not invade until circa 1184 BCE and their resulting United Kingdom of Israel, which never controlled the coast from Jaffa to Gaza, lasted only about 75–80 years, i.e., less than a blip in the history of Canaan and Palestine. Even the Hasmonean Dynasty under the Maccabees lasted only about 70 years (circa 140 – 70 BCE) and it was under Roman control.

        BTW, no credible archaeological evidence, or more importantly, writings of contemporaneous civilizations, have been found that prove Solomon or David actually existed. Nor has any evidence been discovered to confirm that the Jewish exodus from Egypt ever occurred.

        To quote Polish born David Ben-Gurion (real name, David Gruen): “‘race’ does not unite Jewry since the ancient people dissipated after so much dispersion.” (Philippe de Saint Robert, Le Jeu de la France en Mediteranee, 1970, p.182)

        “The Racist Gene” Haaretz, June 21, 2017: EXCERPT: “In 2013, the results were published of a study by the prominent British geneticist Martin Richards, who specializes in researching the maternal genome, which passes from the mother to all of her descendants. Richards researched the maternal genetic ancestry of Ashkenazi Jews. And lo and behold, he discovered that 80 percent or more (!) of the maternal genetic makeup of Ashkenazi Jews derives from European women – goys, heaven forbid. Gevalt! Devoid of any gene originating in the Land of Israel.”

        http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full
        Front. Genet., 21 June 2017 | https://doi.org/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087

        “The Origins of Ashkenaz, Ashkenazic Jews, and Yiddish”

        “Recent genetic samples from bones found in Palestine dating to the Epipaleolithic (20000-10500 BCE) showed remarkable resemblance to modern day Palestinians.”

        EXCERPTS:
        “The non-Levantine origin of AJs [Ashkenazi Jews] is further supported by an ancient DNA analysis of six Natufians and a Levantine Neolithic (Lazaridis et al., 2016), some of the most likely Judaean progenitors (Finkelstein and Silberman, 2002; Frendo, 2004). In a principle component analysis (PCA), the ancient Levantines clustered predominantly with modern-day Palestinians and Bedouins and marginally overlapped with Arabian Jews, whereas AJs clustered away from Levantine individuals and adjacent to Neolithic Anatolians and Late Neolithic and Bronze Age Europeans.”

        “Overall, the combined results are in a strong agreement with the predictions of the Irano-Turko-Slavic hypothesis (Table 1) and rule out an ancient Levantine origin for AJs, which is predominant among modern-day Levantine populations (e.g., Bedouins and Palestinians). This is not surprising since Jews differed in cultural practices and norms (Sand, 2011) and tended to adopt local customs (Falk, 2006). Very little Palestinian Jewish culture survived outside of Palestine (Sand, 2009). For example, the folklore and folkways of the Jews in northern Europe is distinctly pre-Christian German (Patai, 1983) and Slavic in origin, which disappeared among the latter (Wexler, 1993, 2012).”

      • Nathan on November 20, 2019, 10:42 pm

        Thanks, Misterioso, for posting your detailed comment for the 56th time. Perhaps, for the next time, you might want to correct a few lines. You tell us that the united Kingdom of Israel lasted merely 75 years. While your intention was to belittle its significance, in reality you have admitted that it indeed existed. If you maintain that there was a united Kingdom of Israel, you should note that you are accepting the historicity of David and Solomon. You claimed that there is no evidence proving that they really existed; so, I would suggest that you remove the line about their kingdom. It is, after all, quite silly to verify the existence of the kingdom of David and Solomon while in the same breath to deny the historicity of these two kings who ruled that kingdom. By the way, David has been discovered in archeological research, so actually the debate has come to its happy end: The Biblical King David is a real historic character.

        I couldn’t help but notice that you somehow refrained from commenting on the non-united kingdom. I suppose that the reason is that it would have spoiled the propaganda angle of pooh-poohing the short-lived united Kingdom of Israel. You probably know that the Kingdom of Judah and the Kingdom of Israel lasted a few centuries.

        The really interesting question is why are the anti-Israel activists so busy with trying to prove that the Jewish narrative is false. The State of Israel is not going to be disestablished once it is “proved” that the Jews of Ashkenaz are from European descent. The State of Israel has been established, and it is a member of the family of nations. It’s not going away even if it turns out that King David is a legend.

      • eljay on November 21, 2019, 9:13 am

        || Nathan: … The really interesting question is why are the anti-Israel activists so busy with trying to prove that the Jewish narrative is false. The State of Israel is not going to be disestablished once it is “proved” that the Jews of Ashkenaz are from European descent. The State of Israel has been established, and it is a member of the family of nations. It’s not going away even if it turns out that King David is a legend. ||

        You have it backwards: Zionists are forever busy claiming that their blatant falsehoods are truth in order to:
        – justify and defend Jewish / “Jewish State” supremacism; and
        – absolve themselves from responsibility and accountability for their past and on-going (war) crimes.

        Zionists aren’t worried about the disappearance of Israel – that’s just deflection – but they are worried about:
        – the disappearance of Jewish / “Jewish State” supremacism and related privileges; and
        – being held accountable for the evil they have done and continue to do.

  6. Maximus Decimus Meridius on November 19, 2019, 10:22 am

    Let’s be frank here: Trump is only really confirming the reality as it has existed for many years. Not saying it isn’t totally outrageous for one individual to believe they have the power to reverse international law, but the ‘international community’ – not just the Americans – have de facto accepted Israel’s jurisdiction over the ‘settlements’ for a long, long time. Certainly, none of them have lifted a finger to sanction Israel over what to all practical purposes is an annexation. And despite their hand wringing now, the EU and other international powers will do nothing other than wag their fingers, as they do not want to acknowledge what everyone knows: the so called ‘two state solution’ is as dead as a dodo.

    That’s why I predict Israel will not (yet) formally annex the ‘settlements’, as doing so would deprive them of the perennial excuse offered by the ‘two state solution’ rhetoric and force them to admit that they have no interest whatsoever in peace. Of course everyone knows that, and has known it for a long time, but it suits some people to pretend otherwise.

  7. Qualtrough on November 19, 2019, 11:30 am

    @ Nathan.

    Thank you for the Hebrew lesson. It is as fascinating as it is disturbing to see that you believe that exercize in etymology somehow justifies expelling 800,000 Palestinians from their homes and treating the rest like shit.

  8. pabelmont on November 19, 2019, 12:08 pm

    Trump and Pompeo eviscerate international law explictly (as USA has done implicitly for many years) and other nations have a more focused chance to stand up on their legs (as EU has done) to declare and uphold I/L — or not.

    My guess is that (sadly) the best we can hope for is more lip-service and maybe not even that in support of I/L and its steady interpretation (except by GoUSA and GoI).

    And in practical terms, the rest of the world is big enough and powerful enough to force Israel to its knees and force any resolution the nations can agree to — but they won’t. All economies are entangled (with Israel’s) and also many nations are militarily (or “security-wise”) entangled with Israel. Even the progressive (or “democratic wing”) of the USA’s Democratic Party are unlikely to gather the strength needed to overcome that party’s “Davos Wing” (pro-corporation, loves Big Money, neoliberal, capitalism uber alles, pro-oil, etc.)

    We can but keep trying. After all, there is some progress in USA’s Democratic Party and among young Jews and other young Americans. But the progress is like wearing away stone by dripping water.

    • echinococcus on November 19, 2019, 3:16 pm

      “Even the progressive (or “democratic wing”) of the USA’s Democratic Party…”

      What do you mean, “even”? That is the liberal-Zionist wing. Like their Sanders, kibbutz and J-street and Gantz… follow the thread to Genocide with a Human Face.

      Even if, in your fairy tale, they managed to “gather the strength needed to overcome that party’s ‘Davos Wing’ “, after their owners in the Davos wing re-thought their interests, this would mean a new lease on life on US Empire.

      The “progress” you mention is not among the Owners of the Country but instead it is among some deluded peons who voluntarily submit to the authority and rule of the Empire Party.

  9. Ossinev on November 19, 2019, 2:00 pm

    @Doughnut
    “State 1 : Israel and the West Bank.
    State 2 : The Islamic State of Gaza”

    Ah so the “Islamic State of Gaza will have the right as any state has to have and defend it`s maritime border. Israel of course according to your inane “logic” does not have a maritime border so it will carry on as normal (see previous postings). It will be a big let down for the most moral as they won`t be able to target and murder kids playing football on the beach.

    • mondonut on November 19, 2019, 2:57 pm

      @Ossinev Ah so the “Islamic State of Gaza will have the right as any state has to have and defend it`s maritime border.

      Of course, why would they not? But it does not change the fact that if they choose to be at war with Israel they would once again (or continue to) be subject to a maritime blockade.

  10. Ossinev on November 19, 2019, 2:15 pm

    @Nathan
    ” I really don’t understand why an anti-Israel person would have difficulty being anti-Israel while at the same time knowing that there really was a Kingdom of Judah as mentioned in the Bible, and that today’s Jews are the descendants of the Judeans (and, yes, converts to Judaism joined them throughout the years)”

    No shit Sherlock. I think you should retrace your steps on this one as in you have a tendency to spiral up your own backside when it comes to the explanation of Jews being a race as opposed to practitioners of a weird religious cult. Loved the way you neatly slipped in the concept of converts to Judaism being just as much descendants of your Biblical “Judeans” as those whose family tree can be traced all the way back to the “Biblical” Kingdom of Judea (as if).

    Ivanka T must be delighted to know that despite her classic Aryan creamy skin and blond tresses her “ancestors” were darker skinned local hunter / gatherers in the Negev neighbourhood.

    Surprised that Jared hasn`t (yet) persuaded her to apply some henna colouring to give her that authentic “originated in the Middle East” look.

  11. Ossinev on November 19, 2019, 5:59 pm

    @Doughnut
    “Of course, why would they not? But it does not change the fact that if they choose to be at war with Israel they would once again (or continue to) be subject to a maritime blockade”

    And Zioland being Zioland you know the colony whoops “State” reserves the right to apply that “Maritime Blockade” into International Waters and if needs be right across the Med through the Pillars of Hercules and as far as Manhattan Island. So Americans you have been warned by Doughnut all those US Liberty type surveillance ships are once more fair game for the only moral democracy blah blah in the entire universe. Not to mention all those cruise ships and yachts. Rule Zioland ,Zioland rules the waves.

    And all this without having any sea border. Truly amazing.

    • mondonut on November 19, 2019, 7:12 pm

      @Ossinev right across the Med through the Pillars of Hercules and as far as Manhattan Island

      I assume from this gibberish that you have no idea how legal blockades function. Or that Israel is not assuming any rights that are not offered to every other country.

      And BTW, you really need to ask for some help on how the reply function works.

  12. Mayhem on November 19, 2019, 6:41 pm

    “the U.S. administration has lost its credibility to play any future role in the peace process”
    I heard this same utterance when the U.S. decided to move their embassy to Jerusalem.
    All we hear from the Palestinian leadership is whinging and moaning and a stubborn adherence to claims and demands that no longer have traction.
    How about a constructive Palestinian proposal for a change, instead of constant complaining?

    • eljay on November 20, 2019, 10:28 am

      || Mayhem: … How about a constructive Palestinian proposal for a change … ||

      You don’t want a constructive proposal – you want a “constructive” proposal that, among other things,
      – validates and upholds Jewish / “Jewish State” supremacism;
      – absolves Israel and Zionists of accountability for past and on-going (war) crimes committed; and
      – minimizes (or, better yet, forgoes entirely) RoR and compensation.

    • Misterioso on November 20, 2019, 10:40 am

      @Mayhem

      You neglected to note that apart from the U.S. under the “leadership” of the dolt and Sheldon Adelson puppet, Donald Trump, only a few fascist ruled countries, e.g., Bolsonaro’s Brazil or those dependent on American taxpayer aid have moved their embassy to occupied Jerusalem. No country of consequence has done so.

  13. Atlantaiconoclast on November 19, 2019, 11:29 pm

    Trump is nauseatingly Israel’s servant, except on fighting Israel’s wars, yet let’s not kid ourselves.
    The Democrats might never be so obvious, but they have never shown a willingness to hold Israel accountable.

    • Misterioso on November 20, 2019, 10:30 am

      @Atlantaiconoclast

      At the same time, it is obvious that a major shift is taking place in America, especially among youth, including Jews, i.e., realization that Zionism is pure evil, that it is expansionist, fascistic, racist, financed in large measure (at least $12,000,000 per day) by U.S. taxpayers and its adherents have brutally dispossessed, expelled, occupied, imprisoned, tortured and killed indigenous Palestinians for over 71 years. In short, despite the current cozy relationship between the Zionists, e.g., Sheldon Adelson and his dutiful servant, the moron currently in the White House whom the Zionists adore, the “Special Relationship” with “Israel” is under strain, weakening and will inevitably end.

  14. Ossinev on November 20, 2019, 7:22 am

    @Doughnut
    “I assume from this gibberish that you have no idea how legal blockades function. Or that Israel is not assuming any rights that are not offered to every other country.

    And BTW, you really need to ask for some help on how the reply function works”

    First of all great to note that you got my reply. Such a relief. As for “gibberish”. Being a brainwashed braindead Zio I fully appreciate that you do no comprehension of what constitutes sarcasm. Incurable I`m afraid.

    Never mind onwards and upwards(excuse the gibberish).
    Israels Naval Blockade is illegal under International Law:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-un-gaza-rights-idUSTRE78C59R20110913

    And blockades when “legal” are only “legal” when operated at the perimeter of or inside a country`s maritime border – oops sorry forgot again that Israel according to you doen`t have a maritime “border”.

    Toodle pip !

    • mondonut on November 20, 2019, 12:53 pm

      @Ossinev And blockades when “legal” are only “legal” when operated at the perimeter

      Wrong again on both counts. The UN Palmer Report viewed the blockade as legal as does international law – see the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts. So called “experts” hand-picked by a UN committee (representing themselves, not the UN) do not override existing law and centuries of practice.

      The very same San Reno Manual will disabuse you of your entirely made up contention that blockades must operate at a perimeter.

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