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The last decade brought the conflict to the U.S., and that is progress

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Any review of the last decade in US foreign policy in Israel and Palestine has to begin with the negatives. Trump has only heightened the bias of the last administration, and made things worse by tearing up the Iran deal and giving a green light to annexation. Israel has continued human rights abuses with brutal impunity. If the decade began with Gaza massacres, those massacres got worse in 2014 and only more grisly after Trump’s embassy announcement, and the weekly maimings on the Gaza border that have stirred people of conscience everywhere.

Yet there has been progress over this decade in ways that I only imagined ten years ago. The conflict has finally been politicized inside the United States. Mainstream politicians are talking about BDS and Zionism. A portion of the Democratic Party is firmly committed to Palestinian human rights, because the Democratic base is demanding it.

That seems to me the good news of the last ten years, a discursive change: This is not some faraway conflict over land between two small groups of people. This is an American issue. America has sustained the conflict by supporting one side, and that support is at last being questioned in a concerted, open way in Washington, and in Brooklyn and Chicago and Boston and Virginia too.

I admit I’m a positive person, and also a privileged one. As so many Americans are privileged, especially in comparison to peoples of the Middle East whom our country bombs, or supplies the weapons for those bombings. But this progress seems indisputable to me, and a foundation for more progress in the next decade. They don’t call it a struggle for nothing.

Let me point to a few events before I go off and pop corks and pray for the end of the Trump era.

Lately the House of Representatives passed a resolution against annexation of the West Bank. Yes, a lame resolution, a step back from how liberal Zionists began the decade. Yet it is progress for two big reasons. One, the resolution seems to have helped persuade some rightwing Israeli politicians to stop talking about annexation. This is an important lesson. Israeli leaders respond to the hint of US official censure. That’s why BDS is so important. Secondly, a handful of elected officials on the left didn’t vote for the measure, and cited the meaninglessness of the language about settlements. That’s a real bloc. It didn’t exist even two years ago. It’s growing and led by a formidable politician, Rashida Tlaib.

BDS has made incredible strides in the last decade. It is debated in legislatures and the White House, too, and progressive students are all for it. Many of the kids speak out against Zionism as a form of racial supremacism. These shifts were unimaginable to me when a decade or so back a Palestinian friend shocked me by yelling on Broadway, My goal in life is to end Zionism. Hey, lots of folks say this now. Yes we are losing in official spaces. So what! The opposition to BDS in American politics and the rise of organizations here to fight BDS is great progress imho because it just goes to show, again, the battle is where it should be. We’re stripping away the idea that this is just a conflict far away. No it is American as apple pie. A dozen years after Jimmy Carter got pounded by the liberal press and the entire Dem Party for saying “apartheid,” Rep. Betty McCollum says so openly as she champions a human rights bill for Palestinian children under detention that has many cosponsors.

The opposition to BDS and Palestinian rights inside the Democratic Party has more addresses than ever. New organizations spring up all the time. Democratic Majority 4 Israel has Anne Lewis and AIPAC types at the helm. Meantime Alan Dershowitz says that he is going to stay a Democrat so as to keep the party on Israel’s side. Why is this progress? Again, it shows that the battle is joined; and we are going to win. The idea that the Democratic Party would even tolerate a pantaloon like Alan Dershowitz who is disinvited from the 92d Street Y is a sign of the power of the lobby and the importance of fighting it.

The New York Times is four square against Palestinian human rights. It’s declared itself as never before. Opinion editor Bari Weiss is now the lead spokesperson for the centrist Israel lobby. Why is this progress? Again, it is clarifying. The NYT brass are in a turret of the establishment. And they’re besieged. We will see the Times in turmoil over this issue in the next decade. Jeffrey Goldberg’s own quietism on the issue – I don’t write about this anymore, he said, while confessing the most unreconstructed and conservative views on the question – is a sign that intersectionality (which Dershowitz says is just antisemitism masked) has incredible power. Jeffrey Goldberg’s job is to be a pillar of the liberal discourse. So that means he has to shut up about Israel. And let’s acknowledge that the person who has replaced him, Bari Weiss (who says anti-Zionist Jews are like Jews who reversed circumcision to fit in with the cool crowed) is a gift to the other side, much as Benjamin Netanyahu is.

Netanyahu is such an unpleasant figure that he has advanced progress in countless ways, even as he has persecuted Palestinians in ways we didn’t imagine possible (Nation State Law). He has helped more than anyone to politicize the issue in the United States. I think Israeli leadership is going to get a lot more subtle in the next decade. But the damage is done. The parties are finally divided here.

Happy new year. Happy 2020’s.

Philip Weiss

Philip Weiss is senior editor of Mondoweiss.net and founded the site in 2005-06.

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  1. Keith on December 31, 2019, 4:07 pm

    PHIL- “Let me point to a few events before I go off and pop corks and pray for the end of the Trump era.”

    Phil, you are such an unrepentant liberal. Forget Trump, it is the system. It is the system. It is the system. Recommended reading: “Hate Incorporate: Why Today’s Media Makes Us Despise One Another” by Matt Taibbi. Below a quote and a link.

    “When asked if there was a difference between the Democratic and Republican parties (Chris) Hedges replied, “Of course there’s a difference: it is how you want corporate fascism delivered to you. Do you want it delivered by a Princeton-educated, Goldman Sachs criminal, or do you want it delivered by a racist, nativist, Christian fascist?…The fundamental engines of oligarchic global corporate power are advanced by both parties. One tries to present it in a multicultural, inclusive way, the other is embraced by troglodytes….Believing the Democratic Party will save us is a kind of willful blindness.” (Jason Hirthler) https://dissidentvoice.org/2019/12/exterminating-angels/#more-100030

    • Donald on December 31, 2019, 6:46 pm

      I fall somewhere between Phil and Keith on the optimism scale, but closer to Keith.

      What Keith is talking about is imo where all the mainstream Democratic hatred of Bernie comes from. He spoke about corruption in the Democratic Party and in the system in general and he is right and they hate him for it. Warren tried to straddle both sides and consequently her numbers are currently dropping.

      Thomas Frank and others has it right— the Republicans serve the interests of the top 1 percent and the Democratic Party tries to serve the top ten percent, the upper middle class educated types who believe in the meritocracy and just want things to go back to the pre Trump normal.

      Getting back to Israel and Palestine, yes, Netanyahu has made Israel unpopular with many Democrats who didn’t pay much attention because he was so blatantly pro Republican. But get some pseudo liberal Israeli prime minister who makes the right meaningless phrases about the peace process and negotiations and that type of Democrat will gladly go along with the charade.

      • echinococcus on December 31, 2019, 10:34 pm

        Donald,

        You’re on to something, but there’s a spot that seemed to me to need a little oil — if I may:

        “the Republicans serve the interests of the top 1 percent and the Democratic Party tries to serve the top ten percent, the upper middle class educated types who believe in the meritocracy and just want things to go back to the pre Trump normal.”

        Looks to me there’s no equivalent reasoning,, let’s say no symmetry, for both trays of the scale.
        “the Republicans serve the interests of the top 1 percent” …
        obvious,
        by mobilizing, as opposed to serving, some totally non-top classes (and some would also say “deplorable” sectors of them),

        while
        the Democratic Party serves the interests of the identical ruling class, “top 1 percent” in your vocabulary,
        by mobilizing, among others,
        “the top ten percent, the upper middle class educated types who believe…” using, as with the R population, whatever their mark believes.

        Because neither the R nor the D promises and smokescreens are anything but getting some pacifying crumbs thrown to them by the ruling class. Look at the Sanders claims — they are all about more sugar lumps to the upper middle class, with a couple thrown in to whet the appetite of the middle class tout court.

  2. annie on December 31, 2019, 8:01 pm

    Happy New Year Phil

    • Misterioso on January 1, 2020, 10:37 am

      Meanwhile:

      https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/bds-unstoppable-spread-moral-judgement-threatens-israel

      “2020 BDS: The unstoppable spread of moral judgement threatens Israel”

      by Nada Elia, Middle Eastern Eye, Jan. 1/20

      “It will be 15 years since the launch of BDS whose ‘strategic threat’ is not to Israel’s economy, but rather, to its image.”

      “When the call for boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) was issued in July 2005, almost 15 years ago, those of us who promoted it spent literally years explaining what the three components were.

      “B is for boycott, meaning an individual consumer restraining from purchasing an Israeli product or a product by any company that benefits from Israel’s oppression of Palestinians. Products such as SodaStream, initially manufactured in an illegal settlement, were to be boycotted, along with Caterpillar, a US product whose D9 bulldozers are retrofitted by the Israeli military with a special blade to be used for Palestinian home demolitions.

      “D is for divestment, which means not investing your money in the stocks of companies that benefit from Israel’s oppression of Palestinians. S stands for sanctions, which individuals cannot engage in, but must ask their political representatives to impose. We knew this would be the hardest, and certainly the last one to happen, if indeed it were to happen.

      “An existential threat”
      “The underlying assumption behind BDS is that it is a form of economic activism. Most progressives are delighted at the opportunity to make political choices as they shop – to ‘vote with their wallet’, as the expression goes.

      “But the reality is, while BDS is a form of activism that may take on an economic guise, it is not ‘all about the Benjamins’ We could boycott every Israeli consumer item in every supermarket around the country, and we would not make much of a dent in Israel’s economy.

      “Yet BDS is viewed as an existential threat to Israel, even though the Israeli co-owned Sabra hummus has grown to have the lion’s share of the market for chickpea dips, while most food co-ops and grocery stores around the world still stock Israeli products, despite repeated pleas by activists to de-shelve them. Indeed, as early as 2007, the highly influential Israeli think tank Reut Institute declared BDS ‘a strategic threat with potentially existential implications.’

      “That ‘strategic threat’ is not to Israel’s economy, but rather, to its image. As BDS activists and organisers explain why we are calling for a boycott of Israeli products, we have had a greater effect on the discourse about Israel, than on Israel’s sales abroad.

      “Human rights violations”
      “When we discuss the Sabra boycott, for example, we speak of the Israeli army’s human rights violations, not the economics behind the pricing of the culturally appropriated dip. As we explain to artists that their performances in Israel normalise apartheid, we are denouncing Israel’s discriminatory policies, and its violent treatment of the indigenous people whose land it occupies.

      “We tell artists who perform in Tel Aviv that their music cannot convey a universal message if Palestinians in Ramallah or Gaza City cannot attend the concert because of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and illegal siege of the Gaza Strip.

      “When we call for an academic boycott of complicit Israeli universities, we use the argument that the region’s self-proclaimed ‘only democracy’ is not an equal opportunity educator, and will turn away US applicants of Arab or Muslim origin.

      “What BDS has achieved, which can never be measured in dollars, euros or shekels, is a complete transformation of the public perception of Israel, putting the country on the defensive.

      “Even though many are celebrating the fact that a handful of US politicians, even presidential candidates, are contemplating conditioning aid to Israel – in effect, broaching the possibility of sanctions – what we must celebrate is the fact that US politicians who have so far provided complete immunity to Israel are finally understanding that we, the voters, wish to hold Israel accountable. And we are making that very clear.

      “Just about every progressive politician in the US today is receiving calls, letters and visits from activists, demanding that they hold Israel answerable for its violations of international law and the human rights of the Palestinian people.

      “Bernie Sanders, the favourite presidential candidate of progressive Democrats, knows full well that his base wants accountability from Israel, rather than the carte blanche President Donald Trump has offered. And activists in groups such as IfNotNow are confronting politicians at various stops on the campaign trail, demanding that they take political action against Israel’s transgressions.

      “In a capitalist economy, we can only do that through economic means. But behind our economic demands is a moral judgement. And as 2019 draws to an end, with the 2020 US presidential election ramping up, the unstoppable spread of this moral judgement threatens Israel.”

  3. Boomer on January 1, 2020, 7:52 am

    Bari thinks the cool kids are all circumcised? Obviously she hasn’t spent much time in men’s locker rooms in the U.S. “The WHO estimates that the overall male circumcision rate in the states is somewhere between 76 and 92 percent.” Not that facts matter to American Zionists. They have their own, alternative facts. (As J. Goldberg said, in an interview with her you reported, “to be fair, [America is] an exceptional diaspora country.”

    But more seriously, I admire your ability to find reason for hope, to continue your mission. Maybe, as you often say, “the kids” will make a difference. I don’t know any Jewish youngsters. No doubt future generations will have other things to worry about.

    Years ago (perhaps 20 years, I’m not sure), I read something by Marc Ellis in which he predicted that Jews in Israel would be willing to give rights to Palestinians (the few that remain in what used to be Palestine) in 100 years. So maybe that’s just 80 years off now. And maybe he was pessimistic. Maybe it will only be 40 years.

    As for Americans, I expect they will have moved on. (I say “they” rather than “we,” because I certainly will have moved on.) Americans don’t spend much time worrying about what we did in the past, at home or in various countries around the world since we “took up the white man’s burden.” Being powerful means never having to say “sorry.”

    Ellis often talked about the “prophetic.” The word seemed to imply hope for a spiritual renewal, yet his own words seemed to belie the possibility. Confusing. A spiritual renewal would be nice. Maybe next year?

    I am thinking that among my New Year’s resolutions should be one to spend less time on this site. It’s a unique and valuable site that I’ll continue to support, but I often find it upsetting. I don’t have the dedication and emotional strength that the good people responsible for this site have.

    Best wishes to all of you for 2020.

    source for quotation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/05/26/americans-truly-are-exceptional-at-least-when-it-comes-to-circumcision/

    • Mooser on January 1, 2020, 3:55 pm

      “Best wishes to all of you for 2020.”

      And a big “Okay, “Boomer”, to you, too.

    • RoHa on January 1, 2020, 6:48 pm

      “Obviously she hasn’t spent much time in men’s locker rooms in the U.S.”

      She’ll have to change her name to Barry and “identify” as a man first, won’t she?

      • echinococcus on January 1, 2020, 8:58 pm

        And no doubt undergo the covenant ritual — required of all re-identifying faithful.

  4. Misterioso on January 1, 2020, 10:06 am

    Some good news guaranteed to drive multi-billionaire Sheldon Adelson (Trump’s puppet/ pay master) and his fellow Muslim hating Zionist zealots into a frenzy!!

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-hundreds-rally-in-brooklyn-in-solidarity-with-jewish-community-1.8344821

    “After anti-Semitic Attacks, Hundreds Rally in Brooklyn in Solidarity With Jewish Community” by Danielle Ziri, Haaretz, January 1, 2020.

    “‘If it’s not happening to you right now, there is a good possibility it could happen to you down the road – so if you stand up, you might as well stand up for everyone’ says Palestinian-American organizer”

    NEW YORK – “About 250 people gathered at Brooklyn’s Grand Army Plaza Tuesday afternoon to express their solidarity with the Jewish community, three days after the stabbing attack at a Hanukkah celebration in Monsey and in light of rampant anti-Semitic incidents in the New York area.

    “Participants gathered by a tall menorah placed at the plaza for the Hanukkah holiday. They carried signs reading ‘I stand with my Jewish neighbors’; ‘White, brown, black, all together fighting back’; and ‘Muslims and Jews are allies.’

    “The rally, entitled ‘Safety in Solidarity,’ brought together religious leaders from the Jewish, Christian, Muslim and Sikh communities, who addressed the crowd. Among them were leaders of Reform and progressive congregations, as well as New York City public advocate Jumaane Williams. Representatives of the New York City Commission on Human Rights were also present.

    “’We want to make sure we are standing in solidarity with the Jewish community and being able to not only say [anti-Semitism] is wrong, but do something that is going to illustrate that it’s wrong,’ one of the organizers of the event, Palestinian-American Brooklyn native Murad Awawdeh, told Haaretz.

    “Awawdeh said he believes it is vital for other communities to stand with Jews at this time.

    “’As a Palestinian-American Muslim, given the amount of vitriol and hate that we’ve received as a community, it’s really important that we stand up for other impacted individuals,’ he said. ‘If it’s not happening to you right now, there is a good possibility it could happen to you down the road – so if you stand up, you might as well stand up for everyone.’

    “Although left-wing organizations promoted the event and figures such as Linda Sarsour were in attendance, Awawdeh also told Haaretz that organizers are not ‘trying to make this a political thing.’

    “’We’re not going to allow people to divide us. This is not about the right versus the left, this is about what’s just – and anti-Semitism is an injustice,’ he said. ‘We can’t stand around allowing that to perpetuate itself here in one of the most diverse cities in the world, regardless of political views.’

    “On Saturday night, a man with a scarf covering his face walked into the home of Rabbi Chaim Rottenberg in Monsey, New York, during Hanukkah celebrations and began stabbing people with what witnesses described as either a ‘very large knife’ or a machete.

    “The attack, which left five people injured, was the latest in a string of assaults on Jews in recent weeks. A shooting at a kosher supermarket in Jersey City on December 17 killed three people and a police detective. And over Hanukkah alone, Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn and Manhattan have been physically assaulted in multiple incidents. The victims have been men and women of all ages.

    “The number of hate crimes against Jews in New York City has risen significantly over the course of 2019. The New York Police Department has reported 311 total hate crimes from January through September, as opposed to 250 throughout the same period in 2018. Those figures were from Deputy Inspector Mark Molinari, who heads the department’s Hate Crimes Task Force.”

    • brent on January 1, 2020, 6:22 pm

      Jewish/Palestinian solidarity is a game-changing dynamic. I look for the day Israelis and Palestinians will march in opposition to violence.

      • Rosetta on January 2, 2020, 2:35 am

        Palestinians do march in opposition to Israeli violence and they get shot for it. This is not a Jewish/Palestinian issue. Most Jews do not live in Israel or Occupied Palestine and never will. Israel, despite its claims, does not represent Jews or Judaism.

        Either you are talking about Jews and Christians and Muslims or you are talking about Israelis and Palestinians. The latter is perhaps the best because this is a colonial war waged by Israel against Palestine.

      • eljay on January 2, 2020, 12:34 pm

        || Rosetta: Palestinians do march in opposition to Israeli violence and they get shot for it. This is not a Jewish/Palestinian issue. … ||

        I agree – it’s a Israeli/Palestinian or Zionist/Palestinian issue. But anti-Semitically conflating their ideology and their colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist construct with all Jews better serves and more-effectively “human shields” the interests of Zionists.

  5. Misterioso on January 1, 2020, 10:59 am

    For the record – Bibi and his son, Yair – like father, like son:

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201912291077892603-benjamin-netanyahus-son-yair-to-uk-diplomats-you-will-be-kicked-out-of-israel-soon/

    “Benjamin Netanyahu’s Son Yair to UK Diplomats: ‘You Will be Kicked Out of Israel Soon’” Sputniknews , Dec. 29/19

    “The long-standing United Nations position on the status of the Palestinian lands is that they are illegally occupied by Israel. Decades of negotiations with Israel have yielded no results, and the prospects of a sovereign Palestinian state have been looking increasingly dim.

    “Yair Netanyahu, the eldest son of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, has called for the expulsion of British diplomats from the country over the status of Palestinian territories.

    “The British Consulate in Jerusalem last week announced on Twitter that Prince Charles would pay a visit to the ‘occupied Palestinian territories’ in January.

    “Yair Netanyahu replied to the tweet: ‘God willing you guys will be kicked out of Israel soon. Until then I’m thinking of visiting the occupied lands of Scotland or Wales, which do you recommend?’

    “’Northern Ireland is recognized as part of *Britain* by the entire world’, he wrote in a follow-up tweet. ‘All the British settlers stayed there. Nobody claim[s] they should be relocated. Nobody disputes Britain [sic] sovereignty there and claims it belong[s] to the Republic of Ireland.’

    “His rebuke has generated a mixed reaction, with some commenters hitting back. ‘Last time I was in Wales there were no military checkpoints, services weren’t cut-off and air strikes were fairly non-existent’, one user wrote, referring to the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip, where Hamas and Islamic Jihad are active.

    “Others reminded the younger Netanyahu that people in Scotland and Wales have the same rights as other UK citizens, unlike Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza who have a separate judicial and military system.

    “The ‘occupied Palestinian territories’ is a common term for the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, as well as East Jerusalem, which Israel recaptured from Jordan and Egypt during the Six-Day War in 1967. Israel withdrew its forces and settlers from Gaza in 2005 and also treats the West Bank separately from the State of Israel. Much of the international community, including the EU, Russia and China, considers Gaza and the West Bank to be occupied by Israel and Israeli settlements there to be a violation of international law.

    “Israel disputes this, arguing that it took over the Palestinian territories as a result of a defensive [sic] war and that no state had a legitimate sovereignty over them prior to the 1967 war, so the term ‘occupied’ cannot be used in this case.

    “Palestinians have long pushed for the creation of a sovereign state alongside Israel, but differences between two rival Palestinian factions, Fatah and Hamas, as well as Israel’s apparent satisfaction with the status quo have cast doubt on the viability of the two-state arrangement.

    “Yair, 28, is a vocal defender of his father’s policies. Prior to the inconclusive September general election Benjamin Netanyahu promised that he would annex Palestinian territories if he gets re-elected.

    “The prime minister was formally indicted last month on charges of bribery and corruption, but retained leadership of the governing party Likud in a leadership primary this week. He is expected to request immunity from members of parliament next week by the 2 January deadline.

    “Yair Netanyahu has also courted controversy in the past over a 2015 tape recording of him boasting to his friends about soliciting prostitutes and about his father helping a gas tycoon secure a $20 billion deal. He called those comments a ‘bad joke’ and faced no inquiry.”

    • RoHa on January 1, 2020, 10:59 pm

      “Last time I was in Wales there were no military checkpoints, services weren’t cut-off and air strikes were fairly non-existent”

      And the consequences of this indulgent policy? Henry VII, David Lloyd-George, Bertrand Russell, and that incessant singing.

    • Rosetta on January 2, 2020, 2:33 am

      Surely the correct term is Occupied Palestine? Why use Territories which like the euphemism, West Bank, seeks to present Palestine as not a country but as something inferior and therefore without rights.?

      As to Nuttyahoo’s son, he makes a mockery of himself in that neither in Ireland or Wales have the indigenous people been denied full rights as citizens and nor are they discriminated against because of their religion, or lack of it.

      Israel denies civil and human rights to the Palestinians because they are non-Jews and it denies full and equal rights to non-Jewish Israeli citizens because of the same bigotry. Then again, Israel is a heavily brainwashed society and while some have retained a capacity for integrity and reason, many have not.

      • echinococcus on January 2, 2020, 10:09 am

        “Surely the correct term is Occupied Palestine?”

        Not really, if you consider that all of Palestine is invaded and occupied.
        Applying the term “occupied” to only the part of it that was invaded and occupied in 1967 would mean giving in to the invaders, normalizing the rape of Palestine.

        The West Bank and Gaza are geographical terms; they are as Palestinian as are, say, Haifa, Galilee, Jaffa, Acre or Jerusalem. Not a euphemism: while there is no Palestinian state, the Palestinian people keep their right to all of Palestine.

  6. echinococcus on January 1, 2020, 10:54 pm

    Mr Weiss,

    “I admit I’m a positive person”, you say.

    As you know, it was already suggested that you are not just positive but so wildly optimistic that your announcements that the corner was imminently being turned at the next step have been coming more or less monthly or so — year after year. All these years are starting to pile up and we don’t have anything to show for it yet. Sure, many things have changed and continue to change, not necessarily for the better.

    I am sure that not only me but many of your readers would appreciate a competent, realistic and fact-based yearly situation analysis and report as opposed to the frequent Radiant Tomorrow pep-talk.

    As just one interesting point to introduce in a definitely negative situation, I would note that the fake two-party opposition Punch-and-Judy show (with war-and-CIA-liberals praying, like you also do as I see above, for Trump to go away — and get replaced by the even-worse imperial mass-murderer Obama’s ghost, or perhaps Mike Pence?) has been beneficial to better general awareness of Palestine. It’s the Trumped-up hysteria, not “the last decade” that starts what you call “politicization” of the conflict, giving away the game with a single word.

    Anyway, I’d be enormously interested if you could host a serious periodic accounting of the situation so we can read what all goes in the debit and credit columns. But seriously, and without all that fake Demolican-Repucrat bitching-about.

  7. brent on January 2, 2020, 12:23 am

    Michael Moore, on Democracy Now, a couple of days ago, referring to Trump, said something I consider rather insightful. “The way we defeat an enemy is not by saying, ‘Ohh, boo, the enemy’. It’s like understanding them, learning about them, even embracing them.

    Moore pointed out from the movie about George C. Scott playing Patten. After he defeated Rommel, he screamed at him, “I read your book!”

    Moore challenged those tuned in to make a list of the actual things they like about Trump.”Ohh, I don’t like anything!” ” Yes, you do! You like that he said George Bush deserved to be impeached for taking us into Iraq”.

    Moore pointed out he first saw Trump addressing a Planned Parenthood rally back in the early 90’s, saying he’s not an ideologue, not a Republican, not a Democrat…. a true narcissist.

    Unfortunately, Abbas probably wouldn’t get it even if he had seen that Democracy Now.

  8. Rosetta on January 2, 2020, 2:08 am

    Having followed this issue for at least 30 years I have seen an enormous increase in awareness worldwide and even in the United States.

    A discussion thread a decade ago would have most people supporting Israel and today, wherever you go, it is most people justly condemning Israel for what it does to the Palestinians.

    The BDS movement has grown and continues to grow and universities around the world are putting pressure on Israel through academia. Just as sport was the Achilles Heel for apartheid South Africa, so is academia the Achilles Heel for apartheid Israel because the culture believes they are more intelligent than other human beings and this refuses to allow them to ‘display’ what they believe are their exceptional talents.

    We have come a long way.

  9. Jackdaw on January 2, 2020, 6:16 am

    No Fool Weiss, the ‘conflict’ has been here going on 100 years, when our government agreed on a, ‘Joint Resolution Favoring the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish People’.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodge–Fish_Resolution

    It’s codified!

    • Talkback on January 2, 2020, 9:22 am

      A national home is not a state. Norman Bentwich, General Attorney of Palestine and a Jewish Zionist:

      “A national home, as distinguished from a state, is a country where a people are acknowledged as having a recognized legal position and the opportunity of developing their cultural, social and intellectual ideals without receiving political rights.”
      (Norman Bentwich, Palestine, 1934, p. 101 cit. in Cattan: Palestine and International Law, 1973, p. 15)

      Again, the Jewish national home was defined by a Jewish jurist, Mr. Norman Bentwich, in a book published by him in 1924 called The Mandate System. On page 24, he wrote as follows: “It signifies a territory in which a people, without receiving rights of political sovereignty, has nevertheless a recognized legal position and the opportunity of developing its moral, social, and intellectual ideas.”
      http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/1343338D30D39DCF85256E5C00578E01

      And regarding the State of Palestine under mandate:
      “The Mandatory … will be entrusted with the control of the foreign relations of the Mandated State, and will have the right to afford diplomatic and consular protection to citizens of Palestine outside its territorial limits. Palestine will have a separate Government and form a separate national unity with its particular citizenship.”
      (Norman Bentwich, “Mandated Territories,” supra note 6, p. 53. cit. in http://bcrfj.revues.org/index6405.html#ftn35)

      It’s codified!

      And here we have mandatory in 1939:
      “His Majesty’s Government believe that the framers of the Mandate in which the Balfour Declaration was embodied could not have intended that Palestine should be converted into a Jewish State against the will of the Arab population of the country. [ … ] His Majesty’s Government therefore now declare unequivocally that it is not part of their policy that Palestine should become a Jewish State. They would indeed regard it as contrary to their obligations to the Arabs under the Mandate, as well as to the assurances which have been given to the Arab people in the past, that the Arab population of Palestine should be made the subjects of a Jewish State against their will.”
      https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/brwh1939.asp

      It’s codified!

      • Jackdaw on January 2, 2020, 12:22 pm

        Bentwich was a lapdog for H.M.G., which wanted the Mandate to remain British.

        I won’t bother going over same ground about whether the Zionists were promised a State or not. *They were*

      • echinococcus on January 2, 2020, 6:24 pm

        Which goes to show that if you ever give an inch to lying b$trds like the Zionists, you’re in for the whole mile and beyond. There was no basis at all for the crazy idea of “Jewish national home” anywhere in Palestine, and Her Majesty’s bloody Government had no rights to promise anything on other people’s land in the first place.

        Of course the Bentwich statements are just for the show-window. We know the actions of the English and they don’t check with their statements, they built up the Zionist invasion — until they got betrayed anyway, their soldiers were murdered and they nonetheless still insisted and set up the Abominable entity.

        Lesson: when you see a baby monster, don’t take pity of it; do not allow it to grow.

      • Talkback on January 3, 2020, 1:27 pm

        Jackdaw: “Bentwich was a lapdog for H.M.G., which wanted the Mandate to remain British.”

        ROFL. A mandate is just a treaty for a territory and Palestine under mandate wasn’t “British”.

    • Jackdaw on January 2, 2020, 2:34 pm

      @talkwhack

      I quote from David Fromkin’s A Peace to End All Peace, page. 520,

      ‘In a private conversation at Balfour’s House in the summer of 1921, both Balfour and the Prime Minister contradicted him [Churchill] and told Churchill that “by the Declaration they always meant an eventual Jewish State.”
      Fromkin cited to Martin Gilbert, Winston S. Churchill: Companion Volume, Vol. 4, Part 3: April 1921-November 1922, p. 1559.(Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1975)

      It was clear at the time that the term “national home” really meant a state.

      Back in 1917, three months after his declaration was issued, Lord Balfour confessed: “My personal hope is that the Jews will make good in Palestine and eventually found a Jewish state.” See,Ronald Sanders book, High Walls of Jerusalem, p.652.

      As far as the United States interpretation of “national home”, a U.S. intelligence recommendations drafted for President Wilson at the 1919 Paris Peace Conference reported that: “It will be the policy of the League of Nations to recognize Palestine as a Jewish State as soon as it is a Jewish state in fact.” See, J.C. Hurewitz (ed.),The Middle East and North Africa in World Politics: A Documentary Record, Vol.2, British-French Supremacy, 1914-1945 (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1979, p. 132-36.

      Codified!

      • Talkback on January 3, 2020, 1:44 pm

        Jackdaw: “@talkwhack”

        Yes, infantile Zionist.

        Infantile Zionist: “Codified!”

        So your claim is that what you quote is more relevant then the official policy of Great Britain as expressed in the White Paper of 1922 and the White Paper of 1939 and how the General Attorney of Palestine explained the term “national home”? ROFL.

        You are just refering to “private conversations”, “hopes” and “interpretations”.

        The Zionist consent to the White Paper of 1922 requested, and received, before the Mandate and confirmed in July 1922 by Chaim Weizmann: “It was made clear to us that confirmation of the Mandate would be conditional on our acceptance of the policy as interpreted in the White Paper [of 1922], and my colleagues and I therefore had to accept it, which we did, though not without some qualms.”
        https://books.google.com/books?id=GmKJDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA132&lpg=PA132#v=onepage&q&f=false

  10. Ossinev on January 2, 2020, 2:22 pm

    @Talkback
    “It`s codified”

    Zionists aren`t into codes which they mostly see as blatantly Anti- Semitic.

    Except of course when they perceive that the odd code can in some conviluted way justify their colonialism and crimes against humanity.

    Thus Jackdaw`s fanciful , twisted clutching at straws “Fish” US Congress resolution.

    • Jackdaw on January 3, 2020, 11:51 am

      @Ossified

      Weak, limp, almost flaccid, distraction.

    • Talkback on January 3, 2020, 2:08 pm

      Ossinev: “Except of course when they perceive that the odd code can in some conviluted way justify their colonialism and crimes against humanity.”

      It’s almost as if Jackdaw is making an argument along the lines that the partition of Poland was legal, because third parties agreed to it.

      • Jackdaw on January 4, 2020, 9:09 am

        @walkback

        Angry Marxist dead-ender.

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