Another Netanyahu lie exposed: Hamas is not ISIS

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No doubt Benjamin Netanyahu could barely contain his glee when he learned last month about the violent attack in San Bernardino, California.  Even though the murderous husband and wife team seem to to have been only “inspired” by ISIS over the internet, Netanyahu must have so happy that he sent out for more of his favorite pistachio ice cream.  The tragic killings let him once again hammer home one of his major talking points: Hamas is ISIS.

Unfortunately for him, a brave journalist named Sarah Helm who regularly visits Gaza has just written a remarkable article in the New York Review of Books that destroys his view.  “ISIS in Gaza” is a detailed report that should put the New York Times and much of the mainstream media to shame.

In fact, ISIS is starting to emerge in Gaza — but as a sworn enemy of Hamas.  Sarah Helm explains,

Hamas members are seen as infidels by ISIS since they place the nationalist battle for a Palestinian state before the campaign for a caliphate.

She goes on to explain that ISIS sabotages Hamas efforts to negotiate cease-fires with Israel:

ISIS supporters inside Gaza have shown their opposition and tried to break the cease-fire by firing rockets into Israel, thereby angering Hamas and risking heavy Israeli retaliation.

Helm includes a fascinating interview with a Salafist Sheikh named Omar Hams, who uses theological arguments to oppose ISIS.  He points out that ISIS is not some inevitable consequence of “Islam” but that it was in fact created by the West,

by the thousands of bombs dropped on the heads of Muslims, and by the rejection of democratically elected Muslim governments, such as in Egypt, and by the support for the state that is oppressing us here in Gaza, and that is Israel.

Sheikh Hams warns that ISIS is growing in Gaza, among disillusioned and hopeless youth. His own efforts to oppose it have apparently gotten him condemned as a collaborator by ISIS in Syria, which could jeopardize his physical safety.

Israeli intelligence services are not stupid, and they surely know that Hamas is not ISIS. But instead of trying to negotiate, Benjamin Netanyahu would rather continue his dishonest and dangerous rhetoric.  He prefers to see Palestinians — and Israelis — continue to die so he can use the ongoing crisis to hang on to political power.

48 Responses

  1. Jasonius Maximus
    January 12, 2016, 4:19 pm

    This is classic Netanyahu modus operandi. He is always trying to equate Hamas with whatever boogieman is flavor of the day in the West, in a churlish attempt to draw attention to poor defenseless little Israel and her imminent destruction and how Israel is both the first and the last line of defense for the rest of the world against these organizations. Before ISIS, he was trying to equate Hamas with Al Qaeda. Before Al Qaeda it was Hezbollah. Before Hezbollah… Well, you get the picture. He and his predecessors have successfully played up bitter U.S. / Iran relations for decades, even though Iran has never been or posed a credible threat to either Israel or the U.S. Just send money, weapons and unlimited diplomatic protection at the UN and UNSC and please just ignore all the land theft, ethnic cleansing, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

    South Africa did the same thing during Apartheid. By aligning themselves with the West in the fight against Communisim and its spread in Africa, they bought themselves decades of grace from the U.S., U.K. and European governments. It was no coincendence that within a few years of the Berlin Wall falling the Apartheid regime’s days were over. The U.S. threw them under the bus the moment they no longer had a good, security, political or diplomatic reason to protect them from domestic or international scrutiny and isolation.

    If the war on terror ended tomorrow, it would spell doom and the exact same fate would face Israel’s Zionist regime and Netanyahu knows it! So expect much more rhetoric, more pompous gloating after every single terrorist attack and more outrageous and blatant lies to maintain the the status quo and the West’s never ending “War on Terror”…

    • marc b.
      January 12, 2016, 8:35 pm

      Given israel’s encouragement of the growth of Hamas as a counterpoint to the secular PLO, and it’s current aid to Isis and other Syrian ‘Rebels’, perhaps the growth of Isis in Gaza is not a strictly organic process.

  2. JWalters
    January 12, 2016, 5:09 pm

    Thanks for exposing this latest lie. The oligarchy’s control is built on lies. It’s very important the public see they are being lied to, and by whom.

  3. MaxNarr
    January 12, 2016, 5:40 pm

    In many ways HAMAS is worse than ISIS

    • eljay
      January 12, 2016, 7:02 pm

      || MaxNarr: In many ways HAMAS is worse than ISIS ||

      Hamas – like Israel – shares negative attributes with Islamic State. Hamas – unlike Israel – is neither a “moral beacon” nor a “light unto the nations” nor a “Western-style democracy”.

      Hamas may be a rapist to Islamic State’s serial killer, but Israel is far from being the law-abiding citizen: It’s the pedophile priest whose veneer of respectability is worn very thin.

    • Eva Smagacz
      January 12, 2016, 7:14 pm

      “In many ways HAMAS is worse than ISIS”

      Seriously? I’m fascinated. Please elaborate.

      Eva

    • rosross
      January 12, 2016, 10:27 pm

      Hamas was brought into being with the help of Israel as a foil to counter the PLO. Like Hezbollah, it began as a creature of Israel and then found its own feet, as tends to happen in the face of injustice.

      Hamas was a political entity which was elected to govern the Palestinians in a free election. It was elected because it was efficient and compared to the PLO, not corrupt. It was duly rejected by those defenders of democracy, fall about laughing, the US and Israel.

      Hamas is now basically a ‘prisoner’s group’ trying to ‘run’ or create some semblance of order in the Gaza concentration camp.

      At core it is a political party and ISIS is most definitely not a political party. Hamas has no doubt become more radical as its members have been summarily imprisoned, often without charge or trial, by Israel, or murdered, by Israel. Hardly surprising.

      And those imprisoned in the Gaza concentration camp, the world’s largest open-air prison, are unlikely to be as moderate and balanced as they would be if they were living in freedom, in humane conditions, and were not having their children dismembered on a regular basis.

      When the one-state solution is imposed on Israel, no doubt Hamas will be one of the political parties seeking election and given the general moderation of the Palestinians, highly unlikely to be elected to govern, or to have its members elected in any number.

      Hamas began as a foil for Israel and is now no more than a token propaganda tool for the Zionist military machine. Hamas is powerless and whatever power it might have in the Gaza concentration camp will end when the gates are opened and the Palestinians imprisoned there, walk through to freedom.

    • Kay24
      January 12, 2016, 10:29 pm

      We wait anxiously to know exactly HOW. I am sure you have a long list supporting your comment.

    • JLewisDickerson
      January 12, 2016, 11:37 pm

      RE: “In many ways HAMAS is worse than ISIS” ~ MaxNarr

      SEE: “How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas”, By Andrew Higgins, The Wall Street Journal, 01/24/09

      [EXCERPT] Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor’s bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile’s trajectory back to an “enormous, stupid mistake” made 30 years ago.
      “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel’s destruction.
      Instead of trying to curb Gaza’s Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat’s Fatah. . .
      . . . When Israel first encountered Islamists in Gaza in the 1970s and ’80s, they seemed focused on studying the Quran, not on confrontation with Israel. The Israeli government officially recognized a precursor to Hamas called Mujama Al-Islamiya, registering the group as a charity. It allowed Mujama members to set up an Islamic university and build mosques, clubs and schools. Crucially, Israel often stood aside when the Islamists and their secular left-wing Palestinian rivals battled, sometimes violently, for influence in both Gaza and the West Bank.
      “When I look back at the chain of events I think we made a mistake,” says David Hacham, who worked in Gaza in the late 1980s and early ’90s as an Arab-affairs expert in the Israeli military. “But at the time nobody thought about the possible results.” . . .

      ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to online.wsj.com

    • talknic
      January 13, 2016, 2:55 am

      Interesting accusation Max

      However, accusations aren’t evidence of anything except the accuser

      • tony greenstein
        January 13, 2016, 9:23 am

        No, don’t be unkind to Max Narr. Just because he is unable to articulate what he said, doesn’t mean that what he said isn’t true.

        Max Narr is correct, FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE.

        We can take it that the said Narr is a Zionist and from a Zionist perspective ISIS is a far lovelier and nicer organisation. It after all fits in perfectly with the main theme of hasbara, that Muslims are savage blood thirsty barbarians. They are much easier to deal with and are extremely helpful to Israeli in perpetuating the idea that Israel is a bulwark against such savagery.

        Hamas, despite its Islamist politics, insists on defending its own people and running a semi-sane statelet. Despite its own incinations it hasn’t forced adherence to Islamic ideology down all Gazans throats. Other factions like the leftist PFLP are able to operate. Can anyone imagine any form of socialist grouping operating in Raqah? Isis are fascist in their attitude to anything secular or left-wing. Any such group would be butchered.

        In other words Hamas doesn’t play the role Israel sets for it, hence the need to continually step up the hasbara campaign.

        Yes Isis is far more preferable to Hamas. They play the part perfectly.

    • Lillian Rosengarten
      January 13, 2016, 10:01 pm

      Max Narr, you are completely misinformed as well as ignorant. Such comments do not help to stop the gruesome occupation and bring dignity to Palestinians. Wake up before it is too late. Israel cannot be free until Palestinians are free.

      • RoHa
        January 13, 2016, 11:17 pm

        Lillian, I’m pretty sure Max has no interest in stopping the occupation and bringing dignity to the Palestinians.

    • Mayhem
      January 17, 2016, 5:34 pm

      We are playing with words here. The key points were made by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid when he condemned Hamas and affirmed U.S. support for Israel in 2014, calling the failure to condemn Hamas as one would condemn the Islamic State group “stunning hypocrisy.”

      “Hamas and ISIS (also known as Islamic State) are both vicious, corrupt, hateful, evil groups. And both are extreme. Yet, for some reason, Hamas’ brutality doesn’t elicit the same horror from the international community as ISIS. How can that be?” Reid wondered as he addressed the Senate.

      Reid said that one of the few differences between Islamic State and Hamas is the latter’s narrow focus on one single objective — the destruction of Israel.

      • diasp0ra
        January 17, 2016, 7:58 pm

        @Mayhem

        “Yet, for some reason, Hamas’ brutality doesn’t elicit the same horror from the international community as ISIS. How can that be?”

        Because they have almost nothing in common, neither ideologically, contextually, nor in how they operate?

        I’m not sure if you’re being serious here.

      • JLewisDickerson
        January 19, 2016, 7:45 am

        RE: “Yet, for some reason, Hamas’ brutality doesn’t elicit the same horror from the international community as ISIS. How can that be?” ~ Mayhem

        MY REPLY: Perhaps it is because Hamas is partly Israel’s creation (with the U.S. looking the other away), whereas ISIS is more a creation of the U.S.

        SEE: “How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas”, By Andrew Higgins, The Wall Street Journal, 01/24/09

        [EXCERPT] Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor’s bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile’s trajectory back to an “enormous, stupid mistake” made 30 years ago.
        “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel’s destruction.
        Instead of trying to curb Gaza’s Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat’s Fatah. . .
        . . . When Israel first encountered Islamists in Gaza in the 1970s and ’80s, they seemed focused on studying the Quran, not on confrontation with Israel. The Israeli government officially recognized a precursor to Hamas called Mujama Al-Islamiya, registering the group as a charity. It allowed Mujama members to set up an Islamic university and build mosques, clubs and schools. Crucially, Israel often stood aside when the Islamists and their secular left-wing Palestinian rivals battled, sometimes violently, for influence in both Gaza and the West Bank.
        “When I look back at the chain of events I think we made a mistake,” says David Hacham, who worked in Gaza in the late 1980s and early ’90s as an Arab-affairs expert in the Israeli military. “But at the time nobody thought about the possible results.” . . .

        ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to online.wsj.com

  4. JLewisDickerson
    January 12, 2016, 10:06 pm

    RE: “Another Netanyahu lie exposed: Hamas is not ISIS”

    MY COMMENT: Someone’s been outed, and it’s not Yitzhak Shamir!

    SEE: “A Boy Called Bibi ~ Netanyahu on the Couch” | by Uri Avnery | CounterPunch.org | May 1-3, 2015

    [EXCERPTS] . . . On the eve of the last election, just now, Netanyahu announced that there would not be a Palestinian state as long as he was in power. When the Americans remonstrated, he repudiated himself. Why not? As his Likud predecessor, Yitzhak Shamir, famously said, “It is permitted to lie for the Fatherland.”

    Netanyahu will lie, cheat, repudiate himself, raise false flags – all for the purpose of achieving his one and only real goal, the Rock of our Existence (as he loves to say), the heritage of his father – the Jewish State from the sea to the river. . .

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – link to counterpunch.org

    • JLewisDickerson
      January 13, 2016, 3:28 am

      P.S. TAKING A FEW SHOTS IN THE DARK:
      Assuming that Avner Cohen and David Hacham are not real Likudniks, I wonder whether any of the hardcore Likudniks in Israel ever privately take responsibility for the negative consequences of their actions. It’s pretty clear to me that they virtually NEVER do so publicly.
      That raises the very thorny issue of cognition – that is, whether Israel’s Likudniks suffer from cognitive problems whereby they are completely unaware of the consequences of their actions (at least, the negative consequences). Or, is it more a matter of defense mechanisms prohibiting them from being fully conscious of negative consequences of their actions? And, of course, Uri Avnery seems to genuinely believe that a sizable portion of the Israeli population has essentially been brainwashed by something akin to a media-military-religion-government complex.*
      Not to mention the concept of “group think”.
      Or, Jonestown (shudder).
      How about Masada?

      Some information about the internal dynamics/workings of the government have been leaked or otherwise made it to the “grapevine”. What I’ve read leads me to believe that there are still some individuals in the government (apparently in the nature of military/intelligence advisors) who have fully functioning cognitive abilities that are not inordinately impeded by defense mechanisms. Although these individuals seem to usually be able to deal with the problem(s) when the stakes are really big, I get the impression that they have no choice but to resort to utilizing machinations rather than employing more straightforward means. Consequently, I suspect they are operating under conditions somerwhat akin to “Houston we have a problem”.

      Personally, when I look into really hardcore Likudnik eyes, I get the feeling that they are eyes that see only what they want to see [i.e., the hardcore Likudnik generally only sees what conforms to his/her (preconcieved) Likudnik ‘world view’]. More specifically, I am reminded of that segment in the “Netanyahu at War” where Netanyahu was ‘hopping mad’ because Obama had mentioned “the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps”. I vividly recall how Netanyahu looked and acted as he disembarked his plane after it had landed in Washington. Hell hath no fury like it, and at the risk of dignifying the “scorned woman” stereotype, I’ll just add that to the extent it has any legitimacy it so pales in comparison to Netanyahu’s fury as to more resemble the proverbial “tempest in a teapot”.
      On the other hand, I’ve heard that Latin women . . . [try using ‘hot tamale’ to conjure up your own offensive stereotype].

      * URI AVNERY ON HOW THE ISRAELIS HAVE BEEN “BRAINWASHED”:
      “Israel’s Weird Elections”, by Uri Avnery, Counterpunch, 1/04/13:

      [EXCERPTS] . . . The Israeli media are already to a large extent neutralized, a creeping process not unsimilar to what the Germans used to call Gleichschaltung. [SEE: Gleichschaltung @ Wikipedia – J.L.D. ]
      All three TV channels are more or less bankrupt and dependent on government handouts. Their editors are practically government appointees. The printed press is also teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, except the largest “news” paper, which belongs to Sheldon Adelson and is a Netanyahu propaganda sheet, distributed gratis.
      [Naftali] Bennett repeats the ridiculous assertion that almost all journalists are left-wingers (meaning traitors.) He promises to put an end to this intolerable situation. . .
      . . . In the coming four years, the official annexation of the West Bank to Israel may become a fact. . .
      . . . If the government continues on its present course, this will lead to certain disaster – the entire country between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River will become one unit under Israeli rule. This Greater Israel will contain an Arab majority and a shrinking Jewish minority, turning it inevitably into an apartheid state, plagued by a permanent civil war and shunned by the world.
      If pressure from without and within eventually compels the government to grant civil rights to the Arab majority, the country will turn into an Arab state. 134 years of Zionist endeavor will come to naught, a repetition of the Crusaders’ kingdom.
      This is so obvious, so inevitable, that one needs an iron will not to think about it. It seems that all major parties in these elections have this will. Speaking about peace, they believe, is poison. Giving back the West Bank and East Jerusalem for peace? God forbid even thinking about it.
      The weird fact is that this week two respected polls – independent of each other – came to the same conclusion: the great majority of Israeli voters favors the “two-state solution”
      , the creation of a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders and the partition of Jerusalem. This majority includes the majority of Likud voters, and even about half of Bennett’s adherents.
      How come? The explanation lies in the next question: How many voters believe that this solution is possible? The answer: almost nobody. Over dozens of years, Israelis have been brainwashed into believing that “the Arabs” don’t want peace. If they say they do, they are lying.
      If peace is impossible, why think about it? Why even mention it in the election campaign? Why not go back 44 years to Golda Meir’s days and pretend that the Palestinians don’t exist? (“There is no such thing as a Palestinian people…It is not as though there was a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away. They did not exist.” – Golda Meir, June 13, 1969) . . .

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – link to counterpunch.org

      P.P.S. ALSO SEE: “Who Will Save Israel”, by Uri Avnery, zope.gush-shalom.org, 23 May 2015

      [EXCERPTS] THE BATTLE is over. The dust has settled. A new government – partly ridiculous, partly terrifying – has been installed. . .
      . . . Now the situation inside Israel proper is about to change drastically.
      Two facts attest to this.
      First of all, Ayelet Shaked has been appointed Minister of Justice. One of the most extreme right-wing Israelis, she has not made a secret of the fact that she wants to destroy the independence of the Supreme Court, the last bastion of human rights. . .
      . . . PERHAPS WORSE is Netanyahu’s decision to retain for himself the Ministry of Communication.
      This ministry has always been disdained as a low-level office, reserved for political lightweights. Netanyahu’s dogged insistence on retaining it for himself is ominous.
      The communication Ministry controls all TV stations, and indirectly newspapers and other media. Since all Israeli media are in very bad shape financially, this control may become deadly.
      Netanyahu’s patron – some say owner – Sheldon Adelson, the would-be dictator of the US Republican party, already publishes a give-away newspaper in Israel, which has only one sole aim: to support Netanyahu personally against all enemies, including his competitors in his own Likud party. The paper – “Israel Hayom” (Israel Today) – is already Israel’s widest-circulation newspaper, with the American casino king pouring into it untold millions.
      Netanyahu is determined to break all opposition in the electronic and written media. Opposition commentators are well advised to look for jobs elsewhere . . .
      . . . One cannot avoid an odious analogy. One of the key terms in the Nazi lexicon was the atrocious German word Gleichschaltung – meaning connecting all media to the same energy source [SEE: Gleichschaltung @ Wikipedia – J.L.D. ]. All newspapers and radio stations (TV did not yet exist) were staffed with Nazis. Every morning, a Propaganda Ministry official by the name of Dr. Dietrich convened the editors and told them what tomorrow’s headlines, editorials etc. were to be.
      Netanyahu has already dismissed the chief of the TV department. We don’t yet know the name of our own Dr. Dietrich. . .

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – link to zope.gush-shalom.org

    • MaxNarr
      January 13, 2016, 9:32 am

      The dogged defense of HAMAS on this website is truly a sight to see.

      • eljay
        January 13, 2016, 9:48 am

        || MaxNarr: The dogged defense of HAMAS on this website is truly a sight to see. ||

        The dogged and hypocritical defense – on this site and elsewhere – of Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine and related past and on-going (war) crimes is truly shameful.

      • Talkback
        January 21, 2016, 3:13 pm

        MaxNarr: “The dogged defense of HAMAS on this website is truly a sight to see.”

        Even your lies are truly stupid.

  5. rosross
    January 12, 2016, 10:11 pm

    One wonders if IS is ISrael.

    • talknic
      January 13, 2016, 2:56 am

      Has IS acted against Israel yet?

      • Egbert
        January 13, 2016, 8:58 am

        No, but Israel has given medical treatment to ISIS thugs injured defending the buffer zone adjacent to Israeli Occupied Golan Heights. It also killed a Hezbollah commander and several Syrian Arab Army officers who were successfully attacking these thugs.

  6. Kay24
    January 12, 2016, 10:36 pm

    Beebs lies, and the US media keeps giving him a free pass. This man has been called a liar by other leaders, and yet he is revered, and loved, by the congress, who are in Israel’s deep pockets.
    This man is dishonest, evil, does not hesitate to bomb civilian areas, and has acted arrogant and disrespectful towards the US, everyone knows his game, and he is disliked around the world.

    Israelis think he is a good leader. Ironic.

    • Lillian Rosengarten
      January 13, 2016, 10:08 pm

      Netanyahu is feared. He is a religious zealot, a racist fanatic and endured by the religious right and most conservative members of congress who pray for the rapture and destruction of all Jews.

  7. Nate Green
    January 15, 2016, 6:15 am

    I think the author of this article completely missed Bibi’s point.
    He didn’t mean to say that Hamas is LITERALLY ISIS, rather they pose the same threat-that of radical Islam.
    Bibi explicitly says so in the linked article : “When it comes to their ultimate goals, Hamas is ISIS and ISIS is Hamas. And what they share in common, all militant Islamists share in common.”
    I suppose the title is good clickbait though…

    • diasp0ra
      January 15, 2016, 10:35 am

      @Nate

      But that line is absolute BS. There is no single category or goal for “militant Islamists” whatever the hell that means. Are you going to tell me that Boko Haram and Abu Sayyaf are similar in their goals?

      Of course not. Each is a spawn of its very specific context with very specific and often secular goals in mind.

      The author understood it correctly. Hamas and ISIS are ideologically incompatible. For example, Hamas accepts the framework of the modern nation state, whereas ISIS rejects it as heresy. ISIS is even attacking Hamas in its publications.

      Saying that their ultimate goal is the same is reductive and ignorant, just like people who try to boil conflicts down in the middle east to ethnic group or sectarianism. But it’s a good propaganda talk piece and makes people who don’t know much feel like they “get it”.

      If we wanted to take Israel’s labels seriously, the Palestinian population would have shared the same ultimate goals with the Nazis, then all collectively switched to the same ultimate goals of Communism and the Soviet Bloc, then all collectively switched allegiance to Al-Qaeda when they were the big baddies on the spot, and now finally to ISIS.

      How a single society can collectively switch to directly opposed ideologies every few decades according to Israel baffles me. I’m sure it’s just a big coincidence that they were the “big baddies” according to the western world in those periods.

    • Annie Robbins
      January 15, 2016, 11:39 am

      the only clickbait was from netanyahu, and he’s rather famous for it. after the paris attacks he immediately responded in an attempt to usurp the sympathy directed towards paris and to make the hamas isis connection. this is ultimo clickbait. and i agree w/diasp0ra hamas and isis are completely different.

      • Nate Green
        January 15, 2016, 1:18 pm

        You both missed my point by about a mile, so let me spell it out:
        Bibi did not say that ISIS=Hamas literally.
        This article tried to claim that Bibi lied by showing that Hamas does not equal ISIS literally.
        This form of argumentation is what we call a strawman.

        You are entitled to argue with Bibi’s comparison.That does not make him a liar.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 15, 2016, 1:53 pm

        i didn’t miss your point at all nate, i heard you the first time. isis and hamas do not pose the same threat, that’s a no brainer. hamas is an elected political party representing the people the state of israel commits war crimes against. representing the people who own the land colonized by israel. the very people whose land israel is still colonizing against international law. that’s the threat they pose to israel, the very same threat arafat posed and any/every other palestinian leader (the reason marwan barghouti is sitting in prison). everyone knows this, and isis poses no such threat to israel. netanyahu is simply using the demon of the day (isis) comparing them to hamas to use the commonly know hasbara false equivalence (logical fallacy) argument (check pt scoring in the hasbara handbook) to attack hamas and position themselves in the defense position.

        your entire “LITERALLY” argument is stupid because there are virtually NO people who ever imagined netanyahu meant “LITERALLY”…which should go without saying. iow, your argument is a moot point. plus, james never claimed netanyahu said hamas and isis were “LITERALLY” the same. so who’s the strawman nate? you are.

        ps, btw everyone already knows netanyahu is a liar who will go to no end to demonize his adversaries. just recently he even claimed husseini was responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths during the holocaust, or don’t you recall. he lies routinely as do israeli military spokespeople. big fat liars.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 15, 2016, 2:02 pm

        btw, did you even bother to open the source provided in the argument to netanyahu’s BS?

        link to time.com

        Netanyahu Tells World Leaders ‘Hamas is ISIS and ISIS is Hamas’

        go chew out time magazine nate; ‘hey time magazine, that’s a strawman, my habibi didn’t say “LITERALLY”‘.

      • Nate Green
        January 15, 2016, 2:54 pm

        Alright, I’ll try this one more time, but if you don’t get it I think I’ll have to bid you adieu.
        The author supports his claim that “Bibi lied” by quoting a journalist who claims that ISIS attempted to thwart Hamas in some way.
        Or in simple terms: ISIS no like Hamas :( => Conclusion: Hamas no=ISIS.
        A rebuttal to a literal interpretation of Bibi’s claim, in other words.

        You can rationalize about how stupid it is to take Bibi literally but your complaints would then be better directed at the professor who wrote this piece , because he quite clearly disagrees with you.

        Ranting about how terrible a liar Bibi has been in the past is irrelevant to my point (that this article points out a specific claim of Bibi’s and calls it a lie).
        All the childish insults (“cajun for brains” really?), circle jerking with fellow Bibi haters and vocal opinions (“everyone knows that Bibi is a liar”) do not change the fact that a person is not a liar for giving his opinion just because it differs from your own.

    • eljay
      January 15, 2016, 1:48 pm

      || Nate Green: I think the author of this article completely missed Bibi’s point.
      He didn’t mean to say that Hamas is LITERALLY ISIS, rather they pose the same threat-that of radical Islam. … ||

      Sure. And people don’t mean to say that Israel is:
      – LITERALLY Nazi Germany when it comes to genocide;
      – LITERALLY South Africa when it comes to apartheid; or
      – LITERALLY any number of states when it comes to colonialism.

      So I look forward to you admonishing Zio-supremacists the next time they take critics of Israel to task for daring rightly to denounce its past and on-going occupation, colonialism and sundry (war) crimes.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 15, 2016, 2:08 pm

        eljay, i think we have a case here of guy w/cajons an no brain to back it up. but man has he got it together w/the shift key (SCARY CAPITAL LETTERS — look see i can do that too, RoHa would be so impressed). it’s that ol’ lack of common sense that gives em away every time.

      • Nate Green
        January 15, 2016, 3:05 pm

        I have yet to understand the relevance of these comparisons to the point I made, but I doubt that you do either.

        P.S. I don’t have a problem with people criticizing Bibi.
        Personally, I also think he’s a lying c*** who will say almost anything to keep his power.
        My problem is when he gets called a liar unjustly and for the purpose of bashing Israel/ apologizing for Hamas by extension.

      • eljay
        January 15, 2016, 3:20 pm

        || Annie Robbins: eljay, i think we have a case here of guy w/cajons an no brain to back it up. but man has he got it together w/the shift key (SCARY CAPITAL LETTERS — look see i can do that too … ||

        Easy there, Annie – you’re intimidating me with all those capital letters! ;-)

      • Annie Robbins
        January 15, 2016, 3:54 pm

        literally? sorry, i got carried away. i will be nicer.

      • RoHa
        January 15, 2016, 7:00 pm

        “CAPITAL LETTERS — look see i can do that too”

        Excellent! Now try getting them in the right places.

      • Mooser
        January 15, 2016, 7:11 pm

        “Alright, I’ll try this one more time, but if you don’t get it I think I’ll have to bid you adieu.”

        I don’t think anybody “gets it”. Your move.

      • Mooser
        January 15, 2016, 7:15 pm

        “Personally, I also think he’s a lying c*** who will say almost anything to keep his power.”

        Ah, yes, “Nate”, you are fighting to preserve Bibi’s honor, which is more than he ever did?

      • MHughes976
        January 15, 2016, 8:00 pm

        I’d understand Netanyahu to be saying that Hamas and ISIS are so alike in their ultimate aims that any differences are insignificant in practice, hence that there is no serious distinction, hence that they may – in language seriously used – be identified with each other. I am sure he means this in the fullest sense of the words, au pied de la lettre. He does not mean to be understood as using metaphor or hyperbole. People on Mondoweiss who have studied these things say both that significant differences do indeed exist as to ultimate aim and to legitimate means do indeed exist and that this is sufficiently obvious for N’s statement as it stands to be classified as a lie. They may be wrong about Hamas, though for my money they aren’t. But I’m sure they’re not attacking a straw man.
        However, I don’t want anyone prepared to operate within the rules to bud adieu to Mondoweiss.

      • eljay
        January 15, 2016, 9:31 pm

        || Nate Green: I have yet to understand the relevance of these comparisons to the point I made, but I doubt that you do either. … ||

        Let me spell it out: Zio-supremacists completely miss the point. People don’t mean to say that Israel is LITERALLY Nazi Germany or South Africa or any number of colonialist states, rather they pose the same threat – that of genocide, apartheid and colonialism.

        Zio-supremacists are entitled to argue with the comparisons being made, but that does not make the people who make the comparisons anti-Semites.

        So, to re-iterate: I look forward to you admonishing Zio-supremacists the next time they take critics of Israel to task for daring rightly to denounce its past and on-going occupation, colonialism and sundry (war) crimes.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 16, 2016, 4:48 am

        Personally, I also think he’s a lying c*** who will say almost anything to keep his power.

        link to youtube.com

      • Nate Green
        January 16, 2016, 5:14 am

        @Eljay:
        Alright, buddy, last attempt and I’m done explaining my point to you ,too.
        I said nothing about the comparisons people make between Israel and certain totalitarian regimes.
        Additionally, as I already pointed out to Annie, you can rationalize from today until tomorrow about how stupid it is to understand Bibi literally – the fact remains, this author DID interpret Bibi’s words that way (you can see how in my response to Annie) and you might as well complain to him about it.
        “Zio-Supremacist” reactions to generic critical comparisons of Israel to various totalitarian regimes have nothing to do with how THIS AUTHOR interpreted Bibi’s words- or in simple terms, they’re irrelevant.

      • eljay
        January 16, 2016, 8:52 am

        || Nate Green: @Eljay:
        Alright, buddy … ||

        I’m not your buddy.

        || … last attempt and I’m done explaining my point to you ,too. … ||

        I doubt it, but let’s see what you have to say.

        || … I said nothing about the comparisons people make between Israel and certain totalitarian regimes. … ||

        I know you didn’t. You joined this site only yesterday to defend Bibi. And that’s why I look forward to you admonishing Zio-supremacists the next time they take critics of Israel to task (accusing them of anti-Semitism and “Jew hatred”) for daring rightly to denounce its past and on-going occupation, colonialism and sundry (war) crimes.

        || … Additionally, as I already pointed out to Annie, you can rationalize from today until tomorrow about how stupid it is to understand Bibi literally – the fact remains, this author DID interpret Bibi’s words that way (you can see how in my response to Annie) and you might as well complain to him about it. … ||

        The author appears to understand Bibi’s assertion that Hamas and ISIS both represent “the growing cancer of radical Islam.” What you seem repeatedly to be missing is this very clear sentence:

        … In fact, ISIS is starting to emerge in Gaza — but as a sworn enemy of Hamas. …

        See that? ISIS – not Hamas – represents ISIS in the context of I-P.

      • Mooser
        January 16, 2016, 12:39 pm

        ” or in simple terms, they’re irrelevant.”

        Nate, what’s grey and always carries a trunk?

      • Annie Robbins
        January 17, 2016, 1:12 am

        elephant!

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