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Look over there! All eyes on Iran as Israel quietly devours Area C

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This 12 minute interview with economist Shir Hever of the Alternative Information Center starts at 12:45. I recommend it in its entirety. At 21:39 in the video, he says:

“Military government in the West Bank, the Israeli military government, is not interested in creating infrastructure for the Palestinians which would allow them to live in comfort and peace on their own land. They have an interest to try to make it harder for Palestinians to survive in this area so that they would be convinced to emigrate.

And in fact the recent report [on “forced transfer” of Palestinians] by the European Union showed that in one area of the West Bank, the Jordan Valley, the population in 1967, right prior to the Israeli occupation, was 300,000 people. Today 45 years later the population is half, 150,000 people. Half of the Palestinians were deported from their lands and had to leave this area one way or another and if you account for the natural growth of the population thru births it’s actually much more than half.”

This gets at the reason that Europeans are enraged over the demolition of their solar project in Area C– and it isn’t just the obvious one. Hang in with me for a minute  because the long and winding road in this convoluted story demonstrates how Israel is making plans to annex Area C, which comprises 60 percent of the West Bank.

“It is not just the Germans that were slapped in the face but the whole EU,” said Tsafrir Cohen, a spokesman for Medico International, one of the partner organisations behind the project. “That was their answer to the Area C report.”

EU diplomats say that more generally, Israeli settlement activity and house demolitions in Area C are increasing at an unprecedented speed ..”

Now throw in the annexation legislation for ‘Judea and Samaria’ Area C lands being pushed by rightwing member of Knesset Danny Danon. He blames the Palestinians for their alleged refusal to negotiate— which could, he says excitedly, “bear fruit for the Zionist enterprise.”

In the Jerusalem Post coverage of his bill to annex “Judea and Samaria,” Danon pushes the lie that Palestinians have refused to negotiate and says this alleged refusal justifies the annexation of another 60% of the West Bank in which Israel would offer 48,000 Palestinian residents citizenship, although 150,000 currently live there.

Netanyahu opened the door for this kind of proposal already two years ago, when he threatened Israeli unilateral actions in response to the Palestinians’ unilateral pursuit of statehood, Danon said.

Israel “has to seize this opportunity with both hands,” he said.

[A]t the end of January, the Palestinians walked away from the fledgling talks in Amman, and no date has been set to continue them. The largely frozen peace process has fed a growing movement among right-wing lawmakers to end military rule in Area C of the West Bank, where the Israeli settlements are located, and fully apply Israeli law there.

MK Uri Ariel (National Union) has threatened to amend every Knesset law so they apply to Area C, thereby de facto annexing it. More than half of the Likud’s 27 MKs have endorsed the idea, including Ministers Gilad Erdan, Yisrael Katz, Moshe Kahlon and Yuli Edelstein.

Separate from Danon’s work on the issue, Naftali Bennett, the co-founder of the right-wing NGO My Israel, has circulated a plan to annex Judea and Samaria…..Unlike Danon’s plan, Bennett said he would annex all of Area C. He would offer Israeli citizenship to the 48,000 Palestinians who live in Area C.

Granting citizenship to these Palestinians would eliminate all talk of Israel as an apartheid state, he said. But he added that Palestinian refugees who live outside of Area C would not be able to move there.

Under his plan, he said, the Palestinian Authority would remain in control of Areas A and B, where there are no Jewish communities. “I realize that the world won’t recognize it, but they have not recognized Israel’s annexation of the Golan Heights or the Western Wall,” he said.

Anyone who’s visited Area C can see an active policy of Israelis pushing Palestinians off these lands. The independent media network dedicated to European Union policies, Eurasia Review reports:

Area C is a canton under full Israeli control, comprising some 60% of the West Bank and – beyond the West Bank Wall – all of Israel’s settlements, which are considered illegal under international law.

Palestinians need permits to build in this region, but a study by the Israeli group Peace Now found that between 2000 and 2007, 94% of their applications were turned down.

EU sources say that the permitting regime seems aimed at encouraging Palestinian migration to Area’s A and B. “That is what everyone tells you when you go there,” one said, speaking on condition of anonymity. “It seems obvious but politically speaking, it is very sensitive.”

The region, spanning the Dead Sea, Judean Desert and Jordan Valley, is under-developed and the German Foreign Office provided around €300,000 for the six hybrid wind and solar energy projects, which serve poor villages in the South Hebron Hills.

The last of the energy projects was completed in September 2011, but in January, Israel’s Civil Liaison Administration, which oversees the occupied territories, announced that they had to stop work as they did not have the correct permits.

Some EU diplomats – and many non-governmental groups – see a link in the timing with a confidential report by the EU’s top regional diplomats into settlement building and house demolitions in Area C. It called on the Commission to draft legislation “to prevent/discourage financial transactions in support of settlement activity.”

Phil Weiss observed this recently when he visited a tiny Palestinian village in Area C being crushed like a nut between the jaws of Carmel and Ma’on settlements. The village has a solar project, funded by the German government, but the Israeli civil administration came in last week and destroyed a sheep shelter, a house, and a cistern, killing several sheep in the process.

“Area C is the most important political issue in Palestine at the moment,” Elad Orian of Comet said. “It’s becoming clear from both the Palestinian Authority side and the European Union that they do not accept Israeli policies any more [against Palestinian building in the West Bank]. This issue is at the forefront of international politics.”

The Palestine Papers revealed that in 2008 the Palestinian negotiators presented maps for resolving the settlements obstacle while preserving full Palestinian rights and leaving more than 60 percent of the settlers in place (i.e., the 1.9 % land swap). Israel turned even that offer down. Lately, Palestinians met the deadline to turn in their proposal to the Quartet for security and borders. Israel did not.

Don’t forget East Jerusalem. Last December in Nada, zilch, finito– the media snowjob of mass proportions and  Israel prepares to transfer 70,000 Jerusalem Palestinians to West Bank i.d.’s we reported on the complete annexation of East Jerusalem:

[T]he stripping of Jerusalem IDs coincides with the opening of a massive new checkpoint in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Shuafat, and the re-emergence of construction on a settler road connecting Jerusalem to Ma’ale Adumim. Finishing the construction, combined with the new checkpoint, would all but cut the West Bank in half– and complete the physical annexation of East Jerusalem.

No East Jeruslaem, no Area C and what is our mainstream media, our politicians and our public focused on? Iran.

So, this is the ethnic cleansing scam of the century and we’re are being lulled into another horrid war. A war in which, in all likelihood, Israel would use the distraction to effect territorial expansion and expulsion of Palestinians….just as they did when we were told that the road to Jerusalem lay through Baghdad and we went into Iraq and Palestinians watched unprecedented illegal settlement growth, bringing tens of  thousands of illegal settlers to the West Bank.

There is no conceivable way anyone can build a state with whatever piddly crumbs will be left over after Israel finishes eating this pie. And after that, will it still be hungry?

(Hat tip Seemin Dallenbach)

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Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani

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  1. pabelmont
    February 25, 2012, 3:26 pm

    The interview with Shir Hever was amazing. Hope many people see it. Hope EU acts decisively to end the occupation. Hope. Hope. But the settler tail >> wags >> Israel >> wags >> USA >> wags >> World. Lotta power for such a little tail, hein? and, as you suggest, Iran for “cover”. Cute!

    • annie
      February 25, 2012, 3:50 pm

      wasn’t it an amazing video? that reminds me i forgot to put up the hat hip for my friend who sent it to me.

  2. Kathleen
    February 25, 2012, 3:33 pm

    Annie incredible post.
    “No East Jeruslaem, no Area C and what is our mainstream media, our politicians and our public focused on? Iran.” Our mainstream media is at times focused on mostly the false claims about Iran. Never the facts. Well except for CNN’s Fareed Zakaria’s interview with the new Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff General Dempsey.

    Seldom if ever a mention about what is going on in Area C, E Jerusalem. I did get a plug in during former Senator Feingolds visit on Washington Journal the other day. Mentioned the illegal settlement expansion, illegal housing in E Jerusalem. 28,ooo,ooo people listen to Cspan weekly. Especially Washington Journal. Folks should give a call a try. Facebook etc about these critical issues.

    Annie Israel is shutting the door to a two state solution. They are making more enemies

    • annie
      February 25, 2012, 3:49 pm

      i know kathleen! and it’s right in front of our faces and the msm is saying nothing. nothing!

  3. annie
    February 25, 2012, 3:35 pm

    just one more thing i wanted to mention. that last blockquote from december 28th, none of that was reported in the mainstream media here. not that i can recall. plus, it took place right after that huge ultra orothodox TV show in israel and just days after jpost published “Europeans are ‘irrelevant’ on peace process” because the europeans dared to blast israel:

    Israel’s anger was triggered by a statement released on Tuesday by the four current EU members of the UN Security Council – France, Britain, Germany and Portugal – that forcefully condemned Israel’s recent announcements of building in the territories and east Jerusalem.

    “All settlement activity, including in east Jerusalem, must cease immediately,” the statement said, calling on Israel to reverse these steps, and saying announcements of continued construction “send a devastating message.”

    of course NONE of this is reported in our media, none of it! instead we’re all hovering over holiday meals and lapping up the hullaballo distraction of the months old ultra orthodox story. that seems to have drifted away now that it’s not useful anymore.

    but it was useful then wasn’t it. fuming.

    • Rusty Pipes
      Rusty Pipes
      February 25, 2012, 6:17 pm

      I’ve taken to calling the tactic, “Shiny Syria,” but it really is a multi-pronged hasbara strategy. When the public gets bored of one of the two major distractables, Syria and Iran, or start asking too many questions about the commentaries that look like they got their talking points from the Foreign Ministry’s press releases, another shiny distractable can be tossed out for the American public’s media consumption. By the time the glitter is debunked, it is old news already, as well as the latest example of ethnic cleansing or other GOI atrocity that didn’t get top coverage because of the shiny stuff waved in front of the American public. Timing is everything — especially when counting on an uninformed audience with a short attention span.

      • annie
        February 25, 2012, 9:15 pm

        shocked and honored rusty, i think that could be the longest commentary i have ever heard from you.


        “Shiny Syria”, i will remember that!

        thnx mucho

  4. Citizen
    February 25, 2012, 4:03 pm

    Goering was really smart, wasn’t he? The herd can be stampeded anywhere by inducing Fear, no matter what form of government it has, and might really does make right (as a practical matter). It helps a lot if your mainstream media is essentially an arm of the ruling elite. Goebbels was obvious, the single German radio with its array of propaganda stations–given to all by the government–a big help. But, just look at the snow job being done on America’s theoretical consenting citizens. Help the Palestinians? Dick and Jane cannot even help themselves. You don’t have to be Morris Berman to see the writing on the wall.

    • Citizen
      February 25, 2012, 4:21 pm

      BTW, Schacht (finance minister under Hitler) would have understood the mafia-like international banking community’s manipulation of both credit and debt (so that the bankers walk away with the prize under mask of “shake n bake n I helped”)–which is the subject of the 1st half of the video clip posted with this MW article. Iceland, home of the Vikings, did not buy it, but America and a bunch of EU countries did–Greece being the icon case of the result at the moment.

      • jewishgoyim
        February 26, 2012, 9:22 am

        Keiser has the goods on the financial crisis. He has his own style but it wakes people up. 2008, with the instant fusion of political/monetary/financial powers was an economic coup. As simple as that. The meta class decided at that point that mere sound accounting and good old law abiding were too much of a constraint to it. More to the point, respecting these principles would have meant an end to its rule.

        The relative stillness these evil wizards have managed to maintain in the economy in the aftermath of this abomination is quite amazing and works immensely to their political profit. At this point, things have to go awfully wrong for these guys to be in the level of vulnerability they fell down to in 2008/09. Not that they won’t. They will. And now, the armies of drones are ready to directly do their bidding in population control. Welcome to this new financial tyranny…

    • Daniel Rich
      Daniel Rich
      February 25, 2012, 7:33 pm

      @ Citizen

      Goering? The WWI flying hero? The morphine addict? Do you mean Josef [sic] Goebbels, the German spinmeister? He gave birth to the ugly duckling Annie’s reporting about: ”If you can’t deny bad news, find another story.’ Making images and managing stories has been around ever since man started recording ‘things.’

  5. Bumblebye
    February 25, 2012, 4:23 pm

    I think I said it beore – the whole Iran Crapfest is to divert the attention of the US politicians and fill up the newsmedia and airwaves (mostly in the US, but the rest of our nations too) with rubbish while the ethnic cleansing gathers pace, the statehood bid gets forgotten, and Israel gradually creates its open-air prisons/bantustans, bunch of mini-Gaza prison camps.
    Why the F*** is it so damn easy for them to get away with it???

    • annie
      February 25, 2012, 4:33 pm

      i’ve been saying it for awhile too bumble.

      • Bumblebye
        February 25, 2012, 4:43 pm

        Danon’s disgusting annexation Bill should always and without exception be referred to as Israel’s Lebensraum Bill. That is the truth of it.

    • American
      February 25, 2012, 5:07 pm

      Why do they get away with it?…Bumblebye

      Because the US zionist and Israel firsters ‘buy’ our politicians and dictate our Israel ME policy and the politicians force US taxpayers to then finance their crimes and prevent any other countries or institutions from doing anything about it.
      Any other questions?

      • Bumblebye
        February 25, 2012, 5:56 pm

        Nuh-uh. Why is it so damned EASY for them to get away with it???
        And if they whine about the term ‘Israel firster’ wouldn’t the correct term, one they couldn’t start calling ‘anti-semitic’, be Sayanim? After all, it’s their own Hebrew word. Everything these traitorous (and murderous, in fostering the cause of an unwarranted war) people do is for their Zionist superiors.

      • American
        February 26, 2012, 10:57 am

        I don’t use Sayanim because it is a Hebrew word that connates sneaky Jews involved in deception and Mossad type activities for Israel. No doubt there are some Sayanims doing that but it’s a word that because it is Hebrew goes too far into blanket ethnic smearing.
        It is better to use Israel firster because it is generic, easy understandable by the public and keeps the issue political.

      • Walid
        February 25, 2012, 11:55 pm

        “… Because the US zionist and Israel firsters ‘buy’ our politicians and dictate our Israel ME policy and the politicians force US taxpayers to then finance their crimes and prevent any other countries or institutions from doing anything about it.”

        It’s all there in your subconscience, American, you’re almost touching it. If you’d put aside the absurd shitty little state wagging the dog scenario, you’d finally see who is calling the shots and allowing stuff to hapen. Who is it again that’s controlling what you read or don’t read in the press?

      • American
        February 26, 2012, 11:21 am

        Who is it again that’s controlling what you read or don’t read in the press?”….Walid”

        Ah yes…that is the question isn’t it? I tend to think it’s what the 1963 Senate hearings on the ZOA found wrt to their activities to infiltrate, influence and intimidate press and media. And obviously when you look at people in the press and media there are a lot of Israel firsters, either by ideology or paycheck, in their executive suites, pundits and reporters that are gatekeepers. And it’s gotten worse over time.
        A good example of the Israel first network would be Adam Crisely (sp?) who was fired from the CIA because of his supicious dealings with Israeli agents and then the tribe gave him job as ‘producer’ for CNN. So CNN has a Israel first news producer who was fired from the CIA controlling news content and who is allowed to speak on various news and other programs.

      • Walid
        February 26, 2012, 2:19 pm

        “… So CNN has a Israel first news producer who was fired from the CIA…”

        American, your man was Adam Ciralsky, his firsting escapade that ended in his firing was in 1998 and the network that received him was CBS. Looks like he was a better producer than a spy working for the bad guys; from Wiki:

        “His television career includes CBS News’ 60 Minutes and later NBC News where, over the course of a decade, he captured broadcast journalism’s highest honors, including three Emmys, a Peabody Award for Significant & Meritorious Achievement in Broadcasting & Cable, a Polk Award for Outstanding Television Reporting, an Alfred I. duPont-Columbia University Award for Breaking News & Sustained Coverage, a Loeb Award for Distinguished Business & Financial Journalism and a Barone Award for Excellence in National Affairs/Public Policy Journalism.

        Prior to his journalism career, Ciralsky was recruited to join the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) while still in law school. Described as “a wünderkind of the national security establishment”, Ciralsky began his career in the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD).”

        It’s a shame the press in the US is not in good hands. Maybe his service to Israel may have helped him get these prizes.

  6. CTuttle
    February 25, 2012, 5:22 pm

    Mahalo, Annie for that excellent report…! Of course our MSM doesn’t report on the Palestinian’s plight, have they ever…? 8-(

  7. ahadhaadam
    February 25, 2012, 5:57 pm

    This gets at the reason that Europeans are enraged over the demolition of their solar project in Area C

    Yes, the Germans are so enraged I heard they sent a nuclear capable submarine to the region……. as a gift to Israel!

    • Chaos4700
      February 25, 2012, 11:34 pm

      The German government’s going to look pretty damn foolhardy if the Samson Option ever takes effect.

    • Walid
      February 26, 2012, 1:01 am

      “Yes, the Germans are so enraged I heard they sent a nuclear capable submarine to the region……. as a gift to Israel!”

      It’s about guilt. It continues giving for ever and ever, somewhat as a perpetual annuity. That last sub makes it a total of 5 donated to Israel.

      In 2006 after Israel’s vicious war on Lebanon, Germany contributed naval peacekeepers to the UN peacekeeping force, but it wasn’t to ensure any peace in the region but in Merkel’s words, to protect Israel. It was to ensure that Hizbullah was prevented from importing arms to defend the country. Excerpts from Der Spiegel:

      “…Chancellor Angela Merkel said Germany’s first military mission in the region since World War II was historic because it underlined the country’s responsibility for protecting Israel…

      … Addressing concerns by German opposition politicians that the military involvement would weaken Germany’s position as an honest broker in the region, Merkel said: “We’re not neutral and we don’t want to be. German state policy hasn’t been neutral ever since 1949…

      … Berlin ruled out sending ground troops to Lebanon because that may have brought its soldiers into confrontation with Israeli soldiers, an unthinkable prospect in Germany given the Holocaust. Instead, it has agreed to lead an international maritime task force patrolling Lebanon’s coast and will contribute eight vessels to it, including two frigates equipped with helicopters, two supply ships and four speedboats…

      … Ahead of the vote, the leader of the main opposition party FDP, Guido Westerwelle, said he opposed the mission because it couldn’t be ruled out that German troops may come into conflict with Israelis… The fact that we have a special responsibility that stems from the greatest crime in German history is undisputed in this house,” he told the Bundestag. “We are not neutral as regards Israel, we mustn’t be and we don’t want to be. German soldiers must be spared confrontation with Israeli soldiers or citizens…”,1518,438114,00.html

  8. ritzl
    February 25, 2012, 6:29 pm

    oNe of the biggest hurdles in broaching this subject, for me, with the previously uninvolved/unaware is the need to explain at length just how egregious the Israeli behavior is. Articles and vids like this help me point out the discrepancies in perception and reality to the previously unaware. They make the point succinctly.

    Thanks Annie.

    • annie
      February 26, 2012, 10:57 pm

      thnx ritzl, appreciated. responses like yours inspire me to keep on going. it’s not that complicated really. convoluted, but not complicated.

  9. Daniel Rich
    Daniel Rich
    February 25, 2012, 7:19 pm

    Q: This gets at the reason that Europeans are enraged over the demolition of their solar project in Area C-

    R: Yep. They were also ‘enraged’ after the IDF went after Arafat and demolished a European subsidized airport and the likes in the process. The ‘burning’ letter is still on display stashed somewhere in the back pages of history, but not in a museum of pride, of course.

    • Walid
      February 26, 2012, 1:33 am

      “Berlin ruled out sending ground troops to Lebanon because that may have brought its soldiers into confrontation with Israeli soldiers, an unthinkable prospect in Germany given the Holocaust.” (Merkel in Der Spiegel)

      In other words, it’s evident that because of the holocaust, as far as Germany is concerned and the rest of the EU that it leads, Israel is free to do as it wishes about anything and this includes destroying solar panels, cisterns, goats, homes and so on and to directly or indirectly annex parts of Area C. Germany’s guilt is affecting the rest of Europe.

      • Daniel Rich
        Daniel Rich
        February 26, 2012, 4:34 am

        @ Walid,

        Might it be a valid point that much of Europe is hampered by that same quilt of guilt [Serbia, Kosovo, Libya are all examples of European and Western thirst for ‘our’ version of ‘freedom and democracy’] and ‘our’ collective blindness when MSM can’t find Palestine on a map??

  10. rensanceman
    February 25, 2012, 7:34 pm

    The more that I learn aboutthe Zionist past and present and countless misdeeds (I.e. Lavon affair, Operation Northwoods, et al) the more that I see the United States–this time–being used so cynically, that if one looks into the future after the Zionst have been exposed as immoral, ruthless, racist, and murderers ( Begin,Rabin,Sharon, Shamir et al) I see the World demanding that Israel be stopped in its pillage. This might even bribg about a conflict aimed at the Zionst using force to bring about a reordering of the Middle East with Israel humbled and then ready to join the new world order.

  11. annie
    February 25, 2012, 8:48 pm

    omg 56 tweets! i’m shocked. i go work in the garden (sifting rocks in my wetland, long long story) for a few hrs and …maybe i should stay away more often.

  12. CTuttle
    February 25, 2012, 9:14 pm

    Btw, Annie, I just gave ya a Hat tip of sorts…! ;-)

    Déjà Vu Parte Douze…

    Hugs and kisses, M’dear…! *g*

    • annie
      February 25, 2012, 9:23 pm

      I love you!!! what a wonderful thing. i can’t recall anyone ever actually linking to my post before. it’s probably happened but…ctuttle ..i am heading off to a demonstration of the israeli ballet in SF, gone for the night..for awhile anyway..but this will really warm my chilly bones out there on the sidewalk..

      thank you so much. and for anyone else listening..i think this is important…please forward and tweet


  13. rpickar
    February 25, 2012, 10:56 pm


    This article, and the link to Danny Danon’s bill to annex Area C, deserves *much* more importance.

    If the Israelis are successful in neutralizing Apartheid as a political issue in the United States and Europe, then they have won, for all intents and purposes. It’s only Apartheid vs. Democracy that has the power to overcome Zionism. If voting and citizenship rights are maintained in a contiguous space, then the case for Apartheid will be greatly diminished.

    I think that the danger of this annexation should compel the Palestinians to get behind a One-State Solution, together with greatly enlarging BDS, immediately.

    • annie
      February 26, 2012, 1:04 am

      deserves *much* more importance.

      i did my best. it’s all our jobs to get the word out. pass it along robert. work it.

  14. ToivoS
    February 25, 2012, 11:02 pm

    It is so difficult to say something new, but this post deserves repeating. I mentioned this a few days back — Netanyahu has succeeded completely in removing Israel’s efforts to seize more WB land off of the front pages of the international press and replace it with Iran, all the time.

    The Israelis have created an Iranian crises. As Rahm Emmanuel stated do not let a good crisis go by without taking advantage (or something like that, I think Naomi Wolf wrote a book on the subject). In any case, Israel is most definitely taking advantage of this distraction from the IP issue and is now moving headlong into annexation of WB lands (it is called “area C” some totally artificial designation that the fool Arafat agreed to during the Oslo process).

    This is not to say that Israeli threats against Iran are just a distraction. It seems reasonable to assume that these threats are real. Just imagine if a total ME war erupts that sucks in the US to also attack Iran. This could give the Israelis the cover to complete the ethnic cleansings of all of their Palestinian citizens.

    Just writing this sounds crazy. I happen to believe that Israel realizes that it is now so isolated from the rest of the world that they must do something drastic. 1948 was a great time for them, they realized that the rest of the world was in shock from the holocaust, that they could take advantage of that shock and expel hundreds of thousands of Palestinians without serious opposition. As Benny Morris has always pointed out, they did not go far enough. The Israelis seem to be moving towards the solution that they should have taken in 1948 and that is to expel all Palestinians from the land of Israel.

    I have no idea how this will play out but we should not delude ourselves that the end game here is the expulsion of the Palestinian people from Eretz Israel.

  15. annie
    February 26, 2012, 12:56 am

    for everyone who didn’t open the cool comet link in the second to last blockquote, here it is again. awesome video.

    sometimes when things feel like total sh*t i visualize how beautiful it could all be, and this video is really beautiful. all that working together stuff turns me on like no tomorrow…and it’s so today. we can make it happen. the power of visualization, it starts with our minds.

    • CTuttle
      February 26, 2012, 3:29 am

      Interestingly, Annie, I had just gotten back from a local gathering of about 30 different community groups, that had gathered on a week’s notice, with about 300 of us, and even had two state legislators show up…! We are p*ssed off with what’s going down in the State Legislature and the US Congress of late, amongst other gripes, and I almost feel sorry for the 2 critters, almost mind ya…! ;-)

  16. Dan Crowther
    Dan Crowther
    February 26, 2012, 10:40 am

    I think its also important to remember (for us americans anyway) that war will also be used by our overlords to crush whatever is left of real public participation in politics.

    Not to be a conspiracy guy, but the military has been given all sorts of domestic powers, so our “freedom” depends largely on them – if they want to take up these powers, we will live in complete tyranny. If they refuse these powers on constitutional/moral grounds, we might have a coup on our hands. Either way, it aint looking too good

  17. dahoit
    February 26, 2012, 11:24 am

    Dis the one solution to this madness at your peril;Dr.Ron Paul.
    There is no other choice,despite MSM bloviation and lies,when the real racists and haters are in control of our world.

  18. Kathleen
    February 26, 2012, 3:20 pm

    Annie/Phil all Chris Hayes new program UP was filled with conversation about Syria, Iran, the Israeli Palestinian conflict today (Sunday) Jeremy Scahill mopped up the floor with Anne Marie Slaughters assertions with fact after fact. Anne Marie resorted to throwing out inflammatory rhetoric about Iran. She ended one of the segments with but “Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map” I was shocked that Chris Hayes allowered her to get away with this endlessly repeated lie. I warned him and his producer at his site. Scahill also talked about the “elephant in the room” Israel having massive stockpiles of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons that go un inspected. No one talked about how Israel should be pressured to sign the NPT.

    When Chris Hayes asked Anne Marie Slaughter about whether the US could do anything to stop Israel from striking Iran. Slaughter said “no” Which we know is total bullshit. Cut off aid.

    There was so much material covered on UP this morning lots to chew on. Iraq, torture, whistleblowers, Syria

    Then on Fareed Zakaria’s Sunday program GPS Dr. Zbig Brezesinski (love that man) was on. He went through a list of things that the US could do to stop Israel from attacking Iran cutting off aid, letting them know they can not fly through US controlled air space or Iraqi air space (cannot remember his exact words) and letting Israel know we will not follow them into a conflict. Dr. Zbig really drew the line between Israel and the US and said that Obama needed to take a stand. Dr. Zbig beat up Obama a bit on his Israeli Palestinian negotiations. Said Obama really needed to make it clear to Netanyahu on March 5th that the US does not support a strike on Iran in any way shape or form.

    During a round table on Fareeds a Mr. Stockman said very similar things about drawing the line with Israel. That this potential conflict was clearly pushing up oil prices due to speculation that on July 1 (date for new Iranian sanctions) the fact that Iranian oil would be taken off the market is driving speculators to buy because they see an impending strike by Israel on Iran.

    I highly recommend watching, listening to Chris Hayes Up today as well as Fareed Zakarias program today. So much there

    • Citizen
      February 26, 2012, 6:17 pm

      You gave a good nutshell account of the GPS show today, Kathleen–it was great! Zbig’s the man! I wonder if Obama will actually reflect on what he said… Zbig also said, as an American, he felt humiliated by the GOP candidates childish answers to foreign policy questions. Ditto for me–it’s embarrassing to know how foreigners must see those GOP dopes (excluding Ron Paul).

      How do you get UP?
      It’s amazing no American political leader ever asks why we are so intent on Iran not reaching the capacity to make nuke warheads when Israel, India, Pakistan have them and its not an issue; they never signed the NPT either.

      BTY, when Charlie Rose interviewed the Leveretts, he repeated the BS about Iranian threat “to wipe Israel off the map.” Mr Leverett set him straight. I’d bet my life Rose knew what he said was a mistranslation when he said it–seems everyone big in MSM repeats the lie, no matter how many times its been shown to be a mistranslation–and taken out of context.

    • annie
      February 27, 2012, 12:07 am

      thanks kathleen, really good segment of up w/chris hayes here:

      highly recommend.

  19. Walid
    February 26, 2012, 11:54 pm

    “… seems everyone big in MSM repeats the lie, no matter how many times its been shown to be a mistranslation–and taken out of context.”

    I’m with you 100% on that one, Citizen, the mistranslation has been milked to the bone by Israel and its fans for 6 years. But can you explain why Nejad has not yet come out and seriously set the record straigh and put an end to this? Maybe for some unknown reason, he’s doing some milking of his own. I don’t believe Iran wants to destroy any country but his insouciance is distressing.

  20. richb
    February 27, 2012, 8:53 am

    Note this article on Ynet concerning the Stratfor wikileaks. I always look at what they fail to quote.,7340,L-4195342,00.html

    The article talks about the destruction of Iranian infrastructure by Israeli commandos but doesn’t mention that attacking Iran is a diversion from attcking Gaza. Here’s the actual Stratfor e-mail.

    In the open media many are pushing and expecting Israel to launch a massive attack on Iran. Even if the Israelis have the capabilities and are ready to attack by air, sea and land, there is no need to attack the nuclear program at this point after the
    commandos destroyed a significant part of it.

    If a massive attack on Iran happens soon, then the attack will have political and oil reasons and not nuclear. It is also very hard to believe that the Israelis will initiate an attack unless they act as a contractor for other nations or if Iran or its proxies attack first. With the revealed of the new UN report the Israelis have green light to take care of the Iranian proxies in Gaza and Lebanon now with the entire world watching Iran. I think that we should expect escalations on these fronts rather than an Israeli attack on Iran.

    On 11/7/11 8:09 AM, Chris Farnham wrote: Ah, what? Israel has already destroyed the Iranian prog/infra and this is all being
    engineered by Europeans so people forget about the economy

    How and when did the Israelis destroy the infra on the ground?

    Why is that we see the vast majority of the increase in pressure
    coming from Israel (I mean straight from people’s mouths) and
    from the US (Such as Albright in the WaPo)?

    Would anyone actually accept that this could let the Europeans
    forget about the Euro crisis, something they have been
    experiencing every day for over a year?!

    Do we attribute any credibility to this item at all? I don’t
    even see what possible disinfo purposes this could serve.

    On 11/7/11 7:54 AM, Benjamin Preisler wrote:

    Code: IL701 Publication: for background Attribution: none Source Description – Confirmed Israeli Intelligence Agent Source reliability: Still testing
    Item credibility: untested
    Source handler: Fred

    Source was asked what he thought of reports that the Israelis
    were preparing a military offensive against Iran. Response:

    I think this is a diversion. The Israelis already destroyed all the Iranian nuclear infrastructure on the ground weeks ago. The current “let’s bomb Iran” campaign was ordered by the EU leaders to divert the public attention from their at home
    financial problems. It plays also well for the US since
    Pakistan, Russia and N. Korea are mentioned in the report.

    The result of this campaign will be massive attacks on Gaza and strikes on Hezbollah in both Lebanon and Syria.

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