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Meyer Habib, a representative in the French National Assembly, telephoned French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius and warned him that Israel would attack Iran if Fabius did not scuttle the proposed nuclear deal between Iran and the P5 + 1 nations.  The Times of Israel, quoting Israeli Channel 2 News, reported the following statement from the French Member of Parliament:

‘I know [Netanyahu],’ the French MP, Meyer Habib, reportedly told Fabius, and predicted that the Israeli prime minister would resort to the use of force if the deal was approved in its form at the time. ‘If you don’t toughen your positions, Netanyahu will attack Iran,’ the report quoted Habib as saying. ‘I know this. I know him. You have to toughen your positions in order to prevent war.’

The French Foreign Minister subsequently blocked the proposed temporary agreement this past weekend, citing Israeli security concerns.

Habib, who before joining the French Parliament was a high official at the Representative Council of Jewish Institutions in France (CRIF), the Jewish organization with the most political power in France.  It holds an annual gala similar to AIPAC’s, that features an array of influential elected public officials.

As reported here yesterday, Habib helped Fabius arrange a meeting with Netanyahu after the French Foreign Minister was repeatedly snubbed by the Israeli leader. Habib is considered Netanyahu’s man in Paris.

Netanyahu recorded a campaign video endorsing Habib, although it is most unusual and considered inappropriate for a high government official to actively support a foreign political candidate.  French politicians cried foul and the Israeli press was highly critical.  However, Habib was unapologetic, declaring in heavily French-accented Hebrew, that he never financed any of Netanyahu’s political campaigns and was honored to have Netanyahu’s support.

Habib represents French citizens living in Israel, Turkey, Greece, Italy, Malta, Cyprus, the Vatican and San Marino.  However, a vast majority of his constituents live in Israel.  In the election video, the Israeli PM, who initially spoke French, called Habib a good friend of his and of Israel.  Continuing in Hebrew, Netanyahu said that the candidate will fight for Israel in all forums and that his friend has helped him  improve ties between Israel and France.  He said that Habib always thinks about how to support both Israel and the Jewish people,and that now is the time to support Habib.  The Israeli PM concluded with the request, “Go vote.”

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry declared that the French proposal was accepted unanimously by the six powers at the talks, but rejected by Iran. This may indicate that the negotiations may be in greater danger of collapsing than many officials have publicly suggested.

Addressing a report that French reservations had delayed a deal at the talks in Geneva, Mr. Kerry said that the major powers were united but the Iranian delegation had not been able to accept it.

‘The French signed off on it, we signed off on it,’ Mr. Kerry said. ‘There was unity but Iran couldn’t take it,’ he said.

H/T to commenters Dickerson and Doppler.

Update:  Ma’ariv reported that Netanyahu was the source of the message from Habib to Fabius.   Here is a translation from the website:  “NRG Ma’avriv has learned that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sent the message to the French Foreign Minister Fabius via French Member of Parliament, Meyer Habib….”

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  1. Justpassingby
    Justpassingby
    November 12, 2013, 11:44 am

    What a pig, israeli lobby and Israel blackmail the world with war.

  2. FreddyV
    FreddyV
    November 12, 2013, 11:45 am

    @ Ira:

    You’ve still got ‘draft copy’ in the header.

    Regarding the content of this post, its truly distressing that this country and its leaders can behave in such a way without being reprimanded by the international community.

    • Ira Glunts
      Ira Glunts
      November 12, 2013, 12:09 pm

      Thanks Freddy,

      This has happened before but you are the first to bring it to our attention. I do not have access to the header so I can not correct, but thanks for reminding me that this problem should be corrected.

  3. W.Jones
    W.Jones
    November 12, 2013, 11:45 am

    The LA Times reports:

    Heisbourg said that in domestic politics, “standing up to the Americans will be a winner for [Prime Minister Francois] Hollande’s government,” even though the Iranian nuclear issue isn’t especially important to the French public.

    Does anyone have a sense of how French people who care about politics in the country feel about this?

    • Ellen
      Ellen
      November 12, 2013, 12:33 pm

      Don’t know if my conversations are representative, but I don’t think informed French see this as standing up to the US, but instead the French securing their place in line as the ME undergoes change. Most immediately, to preserve an arms deal with the KSA and other enterprises in the Arabian peninsula, etc.

      Heck things are so tight between France and the Suadis and Qatar (who wanted to get a pipeline through Syria) Qatar just cut a tax-free deal with France.

      “France’s tax-free deal with Qatar comes under fire” http://www.cnbc.com/id/101017040

      • W.Jones
        W.Jones
        November 12, 2013, 2:01 pm

        Ellen,

        So is opposing nuclear talks with Iran a winner with the French electorate?

        Are French people favoring the prevention of a resolution to the issue?

      • Ellen
        Ellen
        November 12, 2013, 2:20 pm

        W. Jones, my lens on the French is narrow. But from the few whom I have spoken to and follow this (and to be honest, I think that is even fewer than in the US) they welcome the talks. No opposition to the talks at all. And no, it would not be a winner. Hollande will not survive and this is not his card. Sarkozy might be back.

        I think the French press is beholden to the small interests at the top — and it is France’s elite need for relevancy and significant interests in the ME beyond Israel. The largest grocery store chain in Carrfore Schlumberger (world’s largest oil service firm) is in Paris.

        But Iran is also a prize for the French and I think they are placating KSA for now, and if this makes Israel happy and believe the French love them by being disruptive to the process that would end the possibility of Iranian nuclear weapon production…..

        I think the French are well aware that Chess comes from Persia. Not a tribe on a rocky hill east of the Sinai.

      • Ellen
        Ellen
        November 12, 2013, 3:04 pm

        Opps, I mean the largest grocery store chain in the ME is France’s Carrfore. Schlumberger is in Paris, ….on and on.

      • Walid
        Walid
        November 12, 2013, 3:25 pm

        “…largest grocery store chain in the ME is France’s Carrefoure”

        Ellen, while Carrefour is the largest in the world, in the ME it’s neck and neck with Spinneys, each with about 60 stores and both have big expansion plans for Egypt and North Africa but are waiting for the dust of the “Arab Spring” to settle.

    • JohnAdamTurnbull
      JohnAdamTurnbull
      November 12, 2013, 1:56 pm

      Well, they seem not to care very much, one way or the other. French language reporting on the negotiations is there, but you have to go looking for it.

      One element the French attitude and Fabious’ undiplomatic remarks is that they feel they were burned in 2003 when France, Britain and German thought they had a deal that was soon ignored by Iran. (I don’t know enough about the deal to judge whether this is a reasonable reaction.)

      Hollande is deeply unpopular with everyone right now and a little saber-rattling works quickly on the right.

  4. American
    American
    November 12, 2013, 11:50 am

    I think there is probably more behind France’s actions than that threat.
    Thats the ‘excuse’ being given not the reason.
    I doubt we will know for certain the real reason(s)….yet anyway…might come out later.

    • Ira Glunts
      Ira Glunts
      November 12, 2013, 12:49 pm

      I agree that there are other reasons for the French action, but I think this message is newsworthy in itself. (See Ellen above.) That is especially true since Ma’ariv claims that Netanyahu is the source. (See update to post.)

    • Denis
      Denis
      November 12, 2013, 1:21 pm

      Agreed, American. This story doesn’t make complete sense. We’re missing a quid pro quo element here somewhere.

      Are we saying:

      That the Frogs botched the deal in order to protect the IRI? To prevent WWIII? To save the world? The last time the Frogs lifted a finger to save anyone but other Frogs was in . . . . hold on, I’ll come up with it.

      That Bibi didn’t make that threat directly to Kerry or Hollande but made it through the backdoor of some Frog MP? Bibi’s only conduit was through this Habib guy?

      That Fabius is taking orders from Habib and not Hollande?

      Very confusing . . .

  5. Sumud
    Sumud
    November 12, 2013, 11:50 am

    Several hundred nuclear weapons and Netanyahu STILL can’t get his own way – what a loser.

    • ToivoS
      ToivoS
      November 12, 2013, 5:05 pm

      That is the problem with nuclear weapons in general. They can’t be used, everyone knows that so threats don’t mean much. Indeed, threats will just boomerang by scaring the hell out of the people of the world and turning them against the belligerent.

  6. BillM
    BillM
    November 12, 2013, 11:58 am

    Please include in your story the reminder that an effective Israeli attack against Iran is impossible, and so the threat is just a bunch of theatrics.

    • pineywoodslim
      pineywoodslim
      November 12, 2013, 1:23 pm

      While Israel is not capable of launching an effective military strike that would take down Iran’s nuclear program, it is capable of doing enough to provoke an Iranian military response, in which case Netanyahu would be pleased to demand the “assistance” and “protection” of the US and others.

      Not sure if he’s crazy enough to risk Iranian missile retaliation against Israel, but he could be.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      November 12, 2013, 4:31 pm

      They’d have to fly over Iraq. Shia as well.
      And Iron Dome would have to work 100%.
      And they can’t afford a war that goes on for more than a week.

      It’s all bluster.

  7. Ellen
    Ellen
    November 12, 2013, 12:04 pm

    Ira, accepted unanimously by the six powers at the talks, but rejected by Iran.

    If you read the most recent reports and listen to Kerry, there is no indication that it was “rejected” by Iran. But only that the negotiators for Iran could not accept it and had to take it home. This is not rejection.

    It is also how all negotiations are conducted. (“Oh, I have to now first ask my husband…I need to talk to my wife and will get back to you….”)

    As the Iranians said themselves, it would be unrealistic — even weird — to expect a rapid agreement.

    Both sides have huge, but different, motivations to make it happen. Aside from the squealing from Israel and KSA who want only to maintain their hegemony, I think other longer term interest of the world community will prevail.

    I suspect that before we know it, we will see TV reports on the relatively large and well positioned (by Iranian standards) Jewish society in Iran. Most Americans do not even realize that reality. When that happens I wonder if the Israeli Ambassador to the US will start protesting, getting angry, holding press conferences and shout “Anti Antisemitism!”

  8. Mike_Konrad
    Mike_Konrad
    November 12, 2013, 12:04 pm

    The Israelis live with the Holocaust as a central ideology. They are determined to not be in that position ever again.

    War will occur. Count on it.

    Obama played his hand unwisely. He should not have eased sanctions. He knew how the Israelis think; and he should not have let up on Iran.

    • Justpassingby
      Justpassingby
      November 12, 2013, 12:20 pm

      Mike_Konrad show what a threat Israel and its supporters are.
      Crazy Supremacist.

    • Walid
      Walid
      November 12, 2013, 3:31 pm

      “The Israelis live with the Holocaust as a central ideology. They are determined to not be in that position ever again.”

      You wouldn’t think so, Mike, not from the way Israelis have been pissing on everybody for a while. Israel is heading towards a major crash and dragging a lot of unsuspecting Jews along that don’t deserve it.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      November 12, 2013, 3:41 pm

      War will occur. Count on it.

      Sorry, but your cult wet dream ain’t gonna happen. No one but Israel wants war and Bibbi’s pathetic little public tantrums illustrate Israel are not prepare to go to war without the US doing it for them or holding their hand every step of the way.

      <blockquote .)Obama played his hand unwisely. He should not have eased sanctions.

      Why? The Iranians are not making nukes. There should never have been sanctions imposed to begin with. But it’s interesting to note that you think Iran should be made to suffer just to placate your collective psychosis.

      And BTW. Obama has not eased anything.

      He knew how the Israelis think; and he should not have let up on Iran.

      Yes we know how Iseaelis think. They collectively think like a pack of murderous sociopathic cowards.

    • American
      American
      November 12, 2013, 4:14 pm

      @ konrad

      Israel seems hell bent on bringing it on itself. What would you like on your tombstone ….’Here Lies a Zionist’…?

      ‘Self-fulfilling Prophecy ‘

      A self-fulfilling prophecy is a prediction that directly or indirectly causes itself to become true, by the very terms of the prophecy itself, due to positive feedback between belief and behavior.

      The self-fulfilling prophecy is, in the beginning, a false definition of the situation evoking a new behaviour which makes the original false conception come ‘true’. This specious validity of the self-fulfilling prophecy perpetuates a reign of error. For the prophet will cite the actual course of events as proof that he was right from the very beginning.[1]

      In other words, a positive or negative prophecy, strongly held belief, or delusion—declared as truth when it is actually false—may sufficiently influence people so that their reactions ultimately fulfill the once-false prophecy.”

    • ToivoS
      ToivoS
      November 12, 2013, 4:30 pm

      Hey Mike you can make all the threats you want but we know Israel does not have the power to take on Iran in war over Iranian soil. You guys just can’t do it.

      You might have a small chance of getting the US to fight your war, but your blustering threats will not do it.

      Obama and Kerry are still moving towards an agreement with Iran that will include two major points — 1) Iran will be permitted to enrich U235, and 2) Sanctions will be relaxed. Get used to it, this will be the new reality.

  9. David Doppler
    David Doppler
    November 12, 2013, 12:08 pm

    Don’t confuse Dickerson with Doppler, please.

    • Ira Glunts
      Ira Glunts
      November 12, 2013, 12:16 pm

      I gave a hat tip to Dickerson because he supplied the link to the The Times of Israel article about the Habib message.

      If you also mentioned this article, I apologize for not citing that.

      • David Doppler
        David Doppler
        November 12, 2013, 12:36 pm

        I did, in my [second] comment on Annie’s article about linkage:

        David Doppler says:
        November 11, 2013 at 2:35 pm
        Further linkage: If interim deal is signed with Iran, Israel will attack Iran.

        link to timesofisrael.com

        And I couldn’t find Dickerson’s reference to the article, so I assumed you’d confused us.

  10. Egbert
    Egbert
    November 12, 2013, 12:15 pm

    OK, Mike, I am happy to chip in a few bucks towards a one-way air ticket and a few rounds of AK-47 ammo so you can go and fight your mortal enemy in Iran. Anyone else want to help Mike?

  11. Ludwig
    Ludwig
    November 12, 2013, 12:18 pm

    Israel will be forced to attack if the West takes a sucker’s deal.

    • Justpassingby
      Justpassingby
      November 12, 2013, 12:21 pm

      Thanks for showing the threat Israel are to the world and what kind of violent ideas you enjoy.

    • eljay
      eljay
      November 12, 2013, 12:44 pm

      >> Israel will be forced to attack if the West takes a sucker’s deal.

      Israel may choose to attack – and then cry “victim!” :-( – but it won’t be forced to do so.

      And if Israel does deliberately, wilfully, unjustly and immorally choose to attack, I hope it and the Zio-supremacists at its helm are held fully accountable for their actions – something it and they have managed to avoid for over 60 years.

    • Ellen
      Ellen
      November 12, 2013, 3:13 pm

      Right Ludwig. They cannot help it. It is everyone else’s fault, right.

      Israel will make the choice because they have self interests to make sure Iran and every other ME country stays weak and remains an enemy of the West. Israel needs to be fed from the West. There is no room for having other friends in the ME, right?

      Believe me, Israel’s panic has only to do with maintaining its hegemony in the region and with the West. The Holocaust drumbeat has nothing to do with this. Israel blew it by playing one song (Holocaust ideology) for too long. It is a shande as it was not necessary and the weak card for a people.

      • Ludwig
        Ludwig
        November 12, 2013, 3:23 pm

        Stop talking about the Holocaust. You are the only one who is.

      • Walid
        Walid
        November 12, 2013, 3:35 pm

        Ludwig, the one that can’t stop talking about the holocaust is Israel. Ellen is right in saying that the holocaust song has been overplayed and people are tired of it.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        November 12, 2013, 3:55 pm

        Stop talking about the Holocaust. You are the only one who is.

        No Mike Conrad is.

      • Ellen
        Ellen
        November 12, 2013, 4:41 pm

        Ludwig, Mike reminds us that The Israelis live with the Holocaust as a central ideology. The Israeli PM evokes it is practically every public speech.

        Please tell us who should stop talking about the Holocaust?

        Actually, the terrible episode in European History had many Holocausts of various peoples. For example, the Nazi’s had a program of Euthanizing thousands of children living in institutions and doing “scientific studies” on their brains.

        We should not stop examining how these horrible things happened. To understand how it was that groups of humanity were deemed “nicht lebenswurdig.” (Not worth of life.) And how that rhetoric was tolerated and then transferred into policy.

        It sheds light into understanding ideas of genetic purity, policy of superiority over others, separation from other of humanity, and where these ideas will lead.

        http://cjns.metapress.com/content/r0tutgmh88lka3ga/

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        November 12, 2013, 4:37 pm

        @Ellen:

        “Israel will make the choice because they have self interests to make sure Iran and every other ME country stays weak and remains an enemy of the West. Israel needs to be fed from the West. There is no room for having other friends in the ME, right?”

        Israel doesn’t stay alone, according to ME experts. In the last days, almost all experts in Israel (like Ya’ari) speak about the bond of Israel with Arab countries and several European countries, against the current agreement with Iran.
        http://www.debka.com/article/23436/Kerry-bids-from-Abu-Dhabi-to-break-up-unique-broad-front-which-tripped-up-US-Iran-nuclear-deal

        I hope they will rich an agreement that satisfy all sides and prevent military action. I oppose any attack on Iran and think that a diplomatic agreement is the only option to end the crisis.

      • Ellen
        Ellen
        November 12, 2013, 5:51 pm

        MH1, current agreement with Iran.

        What agreement?

        Here we go again with the diversion, confusion, sand throw in the eyes to confuse the process.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        November 12, 2013, 7:20 pm

        In the last days, almost all experts in Israel (like Ya’ari) speak about the bond of Israel with Arab countries and several European countries, against the current agreement with Iran.

        Rubbish. The Israelis keep labeling all these Arab regimes as emenies.

        In fact, the Arab world is firmly in Iran’s camp. A poll taken of the Arab population itself showed that 59% were in favor of Iran having nuclear weapons. Only 10% regarded Iran as a threat, with 90% in Egypt showing the US and Israel as being perceived as the major threats.
        http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/10/obama-arab-opinion-poll-ratings

        So the only bond Israel has are with the dictators and tyrants in the GCC.

      • talknic
        talknic
        November 12, 2013, 11:14 pm

        MahaneYehude1 “Israel doesn’t stay alone, according to ME experts. http://www.debka.com/article/23436/Kerry-bids-from-Abu-Dhabi-to-break-up-unique-broad-front-which-tripped-up-US-Iran-nuclear-deal

        Debka = Boy’s Own Israeli propaganda. Run by Giora Shamis and Diane Shalem. Two Israeli’s illegally in occupied territory (Jerusalem)

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        November 13, 2013, 3:57 am

        @talknic:

        “Debka = Boy’s Own Israeli propaganda. Run by Giora Shamis and Diane Shalem. Two Israeli’s illegally in occupied territory (Jerusalem)”

        From your commenter profile:
        “Who I am is irrelevant. It’s the information that counts. :-)”.

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 13, 2013, 11:32 am

        mahane your ziobot run source Debka file reports lies .

        Firstly France does not speak for The UK and Germany.

        1
        “debkafile’s political sources report that in opposing this lopsided deal in Geneva, Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius spoke on behalf of the other European powers present, Germany and Britain.”

        Who are these Political sources???.

        2
        “Even Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov presented an unusually low profile in Geneva, abstaining from words of support for the American position. Speaking on condition of anonymity, members of the Russian delegation agreed that the deal on the table was a bad one.”

        more unnamed sources.

        Mahane, here,s how it works .

        Provide named sources if you want to be credible.

        And yes the information counts, if it is credible.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        November 13, 2013, 8:31 pm

        The pushback against a nuclear deal between the six powers and Iran in Geneva Friday, Nov. 8 had many partners. Europe, Saudi Arabia, the Arab Emirates and Israel have bonded together against the Obama administration’s plans to mend US fences with Tehran in general and leave Iran with its nuclear components intact.

        This is a blatant lie. The deal was on the table and about to be signed until Fabius turned up and rejected it. The only bond was the unanimity of all members except France. The only reason Kerry attended was because he was informed a deal was on the table and wanted to grab the spotlight.

        As Amigo has pointed out, France does not speak for The UK and Germany.

        No one from Russia has claimed the deal on the table was a bad one. In fact, in Kazakhstan 2 weeks ago, the Russians complimented the Iranians on their proposal and say it was very promising.

        It’s the information that counts. :-)”.

        Information, not lies and propaganda. :-)

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        November 13, 2013, 10:29 pm

        This just came in which further debunks the BS claims from DEBKA

        Reports: Russia to Help Iran Build Second Nuclear Reactor
        http://freebeacon.com/reports-russia-to-help-iran-build-second-nuclear-reactor/

        In addition, there is this:

        ” In a statement countering the dominant conception of Iran’s nuclear program in the West, Medvedev remarked that there is no proof that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons.”
        http://middle-east-online.com/english/?id=44012

        So puff goes the Debka hasbara.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        November 16, 2013, 5:32 pm

        “Even Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov presented an unusually low profile in Geneva, abstaining from words of support for the American position. Speaking on condition of anonymity, members of the Russian delegation agreed that the deal on the table was a bad one.”

        Lavrov has come out and debunked this fairy tale.

        “We vigorously supported this draft,” Lavrov said. “If this document had been supported by all [members of the P5+1], it would have already been adopted. We would probably already be in the initial stages of implementing the agreements that were offered by it.”
        http://original.antiwar.com/porter/2013/11/15/lavrov-reveals-amended-draft-circulated-at-last-moment/

        Which again goes to show that Debka is nothing more than a propaganda arms of Likud.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      November 12, 2013, 3:54 pm

      Israel will be forced to attack if the West takes a sucker’s deal.

      No it won’t because it can’t. All Israel will be able to do is throw a tantrum by stealing more land and building more settlements and killing more Palestinians, which is what they have always done.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      November 12, 2013, 4:59 pm

      Ludwig says: “Israel will be forced to attack if the West takes a sucker’s deal.”

      Yes Ludwig, Israel will end Iran’s nuclear ambitions and be a much safer place for Jews. LOL.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      November 12, 2013, 6:31 pm

      “if the West takes a sucker’s deal”

      You mean, a deal which allows Iran to do any part of what it is entitled to do as a signatory of the NTP?

  12. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    November 12, 2013, 1:12 pm

    RE: “Israel will attack Iran unless you block nuclear agreement — French Israel fixer warned Foreign Minister”

    TAKE ACTION! TAKE ACTION! TAKE ACTION!

    Tell Your Senators: No More Sanctions

    When Iran got down to the real business of talking with the US and other countries on October 15, it was clear that they were interested in more than a ‘charm offensive.’ US diplomats optimistically noted that the tone and substance of talks had changed. There’s promise for a negotiated deal, but that good news could turn bad if the Senate isn’t careful.

    Take action before next week’s talks to help diplomacy win.

    Despite the positive signs coming out of the first round of negotiations, some Senators want to move forward with additional sanctions. The Obama administration has asked Congress to hold off, but there are loud, powerful groups pushing for Congress to play ‘bad cop’ in the game of diplomacy. Sheldon Adelson, a GOP megadonor, went so far as to suggest that the US launch a preemptive nuclear strike on Iran.

    Will Congress stand with President Obama or with extremist hawks?

    The next round of talks is happening at the beginning of November. More punishment from the US before the November talks could empower hardliners in Iran and make it harder for Iran’s president to negotiate. When you undermine diplomatic solutions, you head toward war.

    Tell your Senators not to undermine diplomacy with Iran.

    ● TO SEND AN EMAIL OPPOSING ADDITIONAL SANCTIONS DURING THE NEGOTIATIONS – http://www.winwithoutwar.org/page/speakout/no-more-

  13. Hostage
    Hostage
    November 12, 2013, 1:36 pm

    Ma’ariv reported that Netanyahu was the source of the message from Habib to Fabius.

    The same pattern is emerging that triggered emergency special sessions of the General Assembly in the past. Israel and one of the P5 are deliberately preventing the other members of the Security Council from fulfilling its functions and purposes to maintain international peace and security and obtain a peaceful solution to an international dispute, while publicly disrespecting all the rules and threatening to attack another UN member state.

  14. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    November 12, 2013, 2:25 pm

    Meyer Habib looks like a thug. Gold chain around his neck that swollen kind of look. http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/139039/netanyahu-meyer-habib-france

    Let’s hope the U.S. takes up Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski’s suggestion if Israel decides to pre-empetively attack Iran.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133515#.UoKAiSfaKSo
    “Zbigniew Brzezinski, who enthusiastically campaigned for U.S. President Barack Obama, has called on the president to shoot down Israeli planes if they attack Iran. “They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?” said the former national security advisor to former U.S. President Jimmy Carter in an interview with the Daily Beast. Brzezinski, who served in the Carter administration from 1977 to 1981, is currently a professor of American foreign policy at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies in Maryland.”

  15. JustJessetr
    JustJessetr
    November 12, 2013, 2:30 pm

    I already contacted Senator Menendez and Senator Johnson and told them to increase sanctions on Iran now.

    • Ellen
      Ellen
      November 12, 2013, 3:05 pm

      You TOLD them to increase sanctions because?

      • Justpassingby
        Justpassingby
        November 12, 2013, 3:22 pm

        Hes a zionist supremacist.

      • JustJessetr
        JustJessetr
        November 12, 2013, 6:09 pm

        Ow. That hurt.

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      November 12, 2013, 3:27 pm

      oh yeah those Dems owned by the I lobby and who have been a problem in regard the U.S. having a sane foreign policy.

      Just one of the many radical wrong on foreign policy who are far more committed to Israel’s alleged national security than to the U.S.’s national security. Just have you bought your ticket to live in Tel Aviv yet? Time’s awastin

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      November 12, 2013, 5:02 pm

      God bless you JustJesstr, that was a close call.

  16. ToivoS
    ToivoS
    November 12, 2013, 4:53 pm

    Before this last weekend I had never heard or even considered the existence of an French Israel lobby. Today there is a new player in the struggle for Palestinian rights and that is the French Israel lobby. Boy talk about invisible night flowers but now we are getting first glimpses.

    • Walid
      Walid
      November 15, 2013, 1:12 am

      “Today there is a new player in the struggle for Palestinian rights and that is the French Israel lobby.”

      Nothing new about it, the CRIF has been around since 1944. The only thing relatively new about it is its vocation of putting Israel ahead of all else and that started in 1967. CRIF was formed during France’s resistance days to help Jews in distress. Today it’s an umbrella group of 60 Jewish organizations that’s rooting for Israel by pushing an Islamophobia agenda against France’s rapidly growing Muslim and Arab populations and charging any and all criticism of Israel with antisemitism. CRIF is a combination of AJC, ADL and AIPAC. Its major redirection to serving Israel hppened in 1967 after the war.

  17. German Lefty
    German Lefty
    November 12, 2013, 5:14 pm

    “Israel’s Weapons Industry, Arms Trade and Military and Surveillance Co-operation with the European Union”
    a lecture by Shir Hever

  18. RoHa
    RoHa
    November 12, 2013, 7:18 pm

    “Habib represents French citizens living in Israel, Turkey, Greece, Italy, Malta, Cyprus, the Vatican and San Marino. However, a vast majority of his constituents live in Israel.”

    And yet they can elect a member to the French Parliament?

    “He said that Habib always thinks about how to support both Israel and the Jewish people,”

    Does he ever think about supporting France and the people who actually live there?

    • Ira Glunts
      Ira Glunts
      November 12, 2013, 7:44 pm

      Isn’t this a strange constituency that he represents? One source said that Habib splits his time between France and Jerusalem. Another stated he lived in Jerusalem. He speaks fluent Hebrew and was described in the Israeli press as the first religious Jew to serve in the French parliament. In addition to his political activities, he is described as a wealthy businessman. His family was from Tunisia.

      He is an all-in Likudnik. Big money, big connections, has known Netanyahu for over 20 years. It is said that Habib paid for lavish trips for Netanyahu and his wife and children.

      • W.Jones
        W.Jones
        November 12, 2013, 11:55 pm

        Is that a French provincial district? How is Frances parliament set up regarding its districts such that those are the areas represented?

      • Walid
        Walid
        November 15, 2013, 2:35 am

        “Is that a French provincial district?”

        Not actually a district, but a constituency of French citizens living overseas, as RoHa described above. The 8th Constituency that Habib represents is comprised of about 170,000 registered French nationals with over half of them living in Israel and just under another half in Italy and these are also eligible to vote in the EU.

        Also represented in both the National (legislative) Assembly and in the Senate are 11 French Departments and Territories such as the islands of St Pierre and Miquelon located within Canada but still belonging to France.

  19. American
    American
    November 12, 2013, 8:05 pm

    This site is about everythingSearch

    MJ Rosenberg
    It’s Not France Who Is Sabotaging Peace With Iran, It’s….

    11Nov
    Since when has the United States cared what France thinks about anything? France? When they were right about Iraq, the Bush administration neocons dismissed them as “surrender monkeys.”

    But now we are going to abandon a peace deal with Iran because of France? Puh-leez.

    Nobody in Washington gives a damn what France or its lobby (oh, yeah, it doesn’t have a lobby) thinks about Iran.

    It is Netanyahu, his lobby and the lobby’s bought-and-paid-for agents in Congress who are trying to kill this deal and get war. Elliot Engel? The man couldn’t find the United States on a globe. Bob Menendez? Mr. Dual Loyalty: Batista’s Cuba and Netanyahu’s Israel.

    It’s crazy. I will be writing more about this later but for now, know this. France is irrelevant. It’s Netanyahu and AIPAC, same as it always was.

    Will Obama stand up to them? Well, there’s always a first time. I guess.”>>>>

    As much as MJ’s chip on his shoulder about gentiles and the holocaust irks me —-I have to hand to it to him for the way he doesnt mince around on naming and calling out the congressional traitors. He’s been on fire lately.

    • Walid
      Walid
      November 13, 2013, 8:08 am

      “Nobody in Washington gives a damn what France or its lobby (oh, yeah, it doesn’t have a lobby) thinks about Iran.” (American)

      You’re right on, American, France sure has a Jewish lobby, a very active and strong one, maybe not as powerful as AIPAC, but it’s there. It’s the “Conseil représentatif des institutions juives de France” better known as “CRIF”, the organization that Ira mentioned here at the top of his piece and one of its important leaders is Meyer Habib being discussed here. CRIF was founded to help Jews during the Nazi occupation in France but has since developped into a grouping of 60 French Jewish organizations, but acting mostly as a mouthpiece for Israel and a leader in Islamophobic campaigns in France. It’s a combination of ADL that’s screaming “antisemitism” at every opportunity and AIPAC that’s got its tentacles all over the American government. A couple of years back, Meyer Habib ran for the presidency of CRIF but was defeated. It’s said that at its annual dinner, there are more French Cabinet Ministers attending than at the July 14th celebrations, so this gives you an idea of what CRIF is all about and where Meyer Habib is coming from.

      Michel Warschawski, the Israeli good-guy journalist said the CRIF by its unconditional support of Israeli policies couldn’t be representing the opinions of more than 15 to 20% of France’s Jews. An important fact picked yesterday from seafoid’s video, was by Rabbi Hecht that said people like Foxman (and Habib here, I guess) are getting a lot of mileage by being often seen in the company of important personalities that gives them an air of being themselves important and appearing to be holding on to more power than they actually do. Apart from being Netanyahu’s messenger boy, Meyer Habib appears to be a political nobody that got elected in a predominantly Jewish district with a little help from Netanyahu..

  20. Taxi
    Taxi
    November 12, 2013, 11:59 pm

    So like israel’s threatening to attack Iran if the USA + world eases the sanctions on Iran?

    LOL! Don’t make me laugh! HOW is it going to do it, pray tell? Through Saudi airspace so that Saudis oil fields become legitimate targets? Is it going to drop a nuke on Iran’s ’empty desert’ without fatal consequences – to israel that is?

    Is it really gonna try and drag Americans by the nose into a conventional or nuclear mideast war, without dangerous consequences to every American jew living on American soil, let alone the world?

    Hahahaha please please please don’t make me laugh so hard!!!!

    I gotta say, this Habib quote is probably the most stupid pieces of warmongering propaganda I’ve ever come across. Israel (to the world): ‘Hold me back, please someone just hold me back!’

    LOL!

    Get outta town you miserable violent zio losers! The world wants to make a peace deal with Iran and it don’t need PERMISSION from the only criminal Apartheid state in the whole goddamn world!

    • annie
      annie
      November 13, 2013, 12:13 am

      lol, taxi you’re perfect! my reaction, when i first heard about this. i can’t remember who..someone posted the link on one of the threads a few days ago when it was first announced, i think sunday. oh, wait, and mike konrad had just said made the same allegation an hr or so before, that israel would bomb iran itself if the sanctions were loosened…i laughed and then yawned.

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        November 13, 2013, 4:24 am

        I mean, honestly, who the f do israelis think they are?!

        No effing way, israel – you will NOT be allowed to violently resist peace and you freaking know it so sftu already!

        Masada is a myth, both as fact and as ‘state of mind’, invented as a scare tactic by one of the most paranoid and cowardly criminal states in modern history.

        Today, israel has three choices:
        1- Bomb Iran and get completely obliterated in return.
        2- Surrender to regional peace and eventually blend traceless into the Arab world.
        3- Resist peace and democracy and implode into oblivion under Apartheid.

        Zionists can cling on to their repulsively undemocratic idea of a ‘jewish state’ all they like; they can throw a trillion cynical spanners and holocaust tantrums all they like; they can bribe and blackmail the international community all they like – but it’s all stupid and grotesque theater, it’s all a big fat distraction from the blatant FACT that Israel’s got three choices and three choices only.

        And it doesn’t take an Einstein to see that choice number two above looks like the one with the least bloodshed.

      • Castellio
        Castellio
        November 13, 2013, 5:55 pm

        Your three options reduce to a common theme: obliterate, traceless and oblivion.

        That may be what you desire, but you are wrong on this. Your vision, and your options, are much too limited.

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        November 13, 2013, 11:22 pm

        Castellio,

        My list is not a “vision”, deary, but you go ahead and tell us what israel’s realistic options are.

      • Castellio
        Castellio
        November 15, 2013, 12:14 pm

        There is no reason to be patronizing or to call me names. It’s preferable if you keep your sexist innuendos to yourself.

        You claim that there are only three choices for Israel; that you know what they are; and that they lead, in sequence to: obliterate, traceless, oblivion. That is very limited thinking and, I suggest, indicates a desire not an analysis. You are hoping that I will give you examples that you will call “not realistic”. However, for a start, Israel within the 67 borders.

        But to the real point: the future has more alternatives than either of us can imagine.

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        November 16, 2013, 12:12 am

        Castillo,

        In case you didn’t know, the word “deary” is unisex so where the hell do you get “sexist innuendos” from is beyond me. But obviously, it’s got your back up and for this I apologize – I will NEVER call you “dearie” again. Plenty of other words in the English language I can use as substitute.

        Castillo, thank you for revealing to me my own personal “vision” – I had no idea I even had one!

        I asked you what israel’s current options are and you never gave even a hint of an answer; so, until you do, I consider this conversation between us as pointless for me. My so-called “vision” is irrelevant, let’s hear what your realistic appraisal of the future of zionist israel is.

        I’ve really very interested in your answer: I’m very interested in what you think israel’s future looks like – not on what you think I think.

    • Denis
      Denis
      November 16, 2013, 10:10 pm

      @Taxi: LOL! Don’t make me laugh! HOW is it going to do it, pray tell? Through Saudi airspace . . .

      Funny you should mention it.

      ToI Headline, Nov16.2013

      Israel said to be working with Saudi Arabia on Iran strike plan

      http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-to-be-working-with-saudi-arabia-on-iran-strike-plan/

      But here is the $60,000 question: GoI attacks IRI, takes out Arak and whatever. IRI retaliates with Ashoura ballistic missiles. What does Obama do now?

      Bonus question: Russia has expanded its Med fleet big-time since the Ghouta CW attack. It is now led by one of the most sophisticated warships in the world, the ‘Moskva’, which is sitting off the GoI coast along with enough firepower to blow GoI and its nukes into the next galaxy. Does that change your answer to the first question?

      Hawks to the left of me, chickens to the right. Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        November 17, 2013, 12:09 am

        Awwww Denise the Dove.

  21. just
    just
    November 13, 2013, 6:04 am

    That picture of the Don and his capo…

    yuck

  22. Taxi
    Taxi
    November 13, 2013, 8:10 am

    Dan Meridor, Israel’s ex Deputy PM, current Minister of Intelligence and Atomic Energy, Admits Iran Did Not Say ‘Wipe Israel Off the Map’:

  23. American
    American
    November 13, 2013, 10:01 am

    MJ strikes again…lol….I am loving this. Hope he is staying out dark alleys and doesnt eat any food offered by strangers …or old friends.

    http://mjayrosenberg.com/2013/11/12/lobby-war-on-iran-deal-proves-validity-of-israel-first-thesis/

    Lobby War On Iran Deal Proves Validity Of Israel First Thesis
    12Nov

    I am proud to have coined the “Israel Firster” meme.

    And I caught hell for it, not that it slowed me down any. Nor did it reduce the truth of my thesis which is that the Israel lobby and the politicians it owns put the interests of Israel (or, at least, their perception of those interests) over the interests of the country they live in.

    Israel Firster Exhibit #1 is, of course, the lobby’s demand that America do nothing to end the occupation despite the fact that US support for it damages American interests in the Middle East and around the world. Because of endless lobby pressure (campaign contributions and the threat to withhold them) the United States has permitted Israel to fully settle the occupied territories. Additionally, the United States is not permitted to link U.S. aid to Israel to its not blocking U.S. policies, although such linkage is the norm with every other country in the world and our own states and municipalities.

    The case that lobby-dictated U.S. policy on Palestine damages U.S. interests while strong, is not completely provable. It is possible to argue that the Muslim world would hate us just as much even if we did not back the occupation although I don’t think it would. I believe the occupation is the prime source of our problems in the Middle East; I just can’t prove it.

    The Iran case is much stronger. In fact, it is ironclad. The President of the United States and, according to the polls, 75% of Americans, want the United States to reach a nuclear deal with Iran. That view is as universal as any can be in a democracy like ours. Americans want an Iran deal to avoid U.S involvement another monstrous war in the region. And because they know that only negotiations can prevent a nuclear armed Iran if that is the goal of its leaders.

    Only one group opposes a deal. It is the Israel lobby following orders it receives from Israel’s government. Members of Congress who oppose a deal are doing so in order to please the lobby and continue to receive campaign donations from it. Writers, columnists, reporters, bloggers and media personalities who oppose a deal are all (with no exceptions) associated with the lobby.

    In short, American interests are all arrayed on one side and Netanyahu’s interests are on the other.

    Again, the occupation issue, although clear, is not that clear. The continued occupation of the West Bank may ultimately cost American lives. Bombing Iran, the lobby’s preferred alternative to a negotiated agreement, will cost American lives and damage American interests in the Middle East like no previous action the U.S. has undertaken in the region.

    So, it’s simple. America’s interests (and the people of Israel’s, for that matter) dictate support for the pending agreement with Iran. Netanyahu’s interests (and that of the Israeli right in general) dictate opposition to it.

    The lobby and every Member of Congress and every pundit who opposes this agreement is an Israel Firster. The question is whether Obama has the courage to stand up to them. If past is prologue, he doesn’t. But one can hope.

    In any case, the Israel First case is proven.

    Note: for the record, it is important to understand that according to the recent Pew and American Jewish Committee polls of Jewish community attitudes, only a tiny percentage of American Jews are Israel Firsters. Overwhelmingly Jews are progressives who put domestic concerns first.

    Israel ranks well below all the major domestic issues. Israel Firsters are, however, far more powerful than the rest of the community put together because they are billionaires and millionaires who make political contributions based solely on Israel. And they provide the money behind AIPAC, ADL, the AJC and the rest of the Jewish organizations which have few members but lots of money. In a thoroughly corrupt political system, these people count infinitely more than the 95% of Jews who, although they care about Israel (for the most part), would find the idea of putting Israel’s interests before America’s inconceivable and offensive.”

    • Walid
      Walid
      November 13, 2013, 12:02 pm

      This is the third time I read the message in the last 2 days, that Israel-firsters are but a small minority among Jews but that this small group is rich, powerful and making it appear that most Jews are like them and with them. Rosenberg is saying that although 95% of American Jews care about Israel, they don’t put it ahead of the USA.

      • American
        American
        November 13, 2013, 1:26 pm

        @ Walid

        By my observation there are more than MJ thinks or wants to admit.
        But he wants to shield Jews from the I-First fallout in the US.

        Meanwhile I do think a number of Jews believe or have been led to believe that they can put Israel ‘on par’ with the US. They are told that their special Jewish history entitles them to a special dispensation’ or prilivage of equal loyalty to Israel regardless of the nation they are actually citizens of. Telling themselves that the US and Isr interest are the same—the old ‘one and the same’ propaganda—-also helps ‘justify’ this belief and that dual loyalty is legitimate and normal.

        Imo however, in any kind of ‘ showdown’ on Jews & the US over Israel the vast majority of Jews will fall on the side of the US -out of simple self interest if nothing else.
        They havent had a showdown ‘awakening’ to reality yet but Israel could force one and that might be the best thing that could happen to get the I-Firstdom out of our government.
        Netanyahu and those like Foxman are trying their best to force one and I say–‘keep it up boys’–cause this will boomarang on you.

  24. MHughes976
    MHughes976
    November 13, 2013, 12:19 pm

    The nature of the Fabius Spanner put into the works is not very clear and accounts seem garbled. Something to do with decommissioning the Arak nuclear plant for a certain time? It doesn’t really seem like a massive matter of principle.

    • Taxi
      Taxi
      November 14, 2013, 11:35 pm

      MHughes,

      I’ve been told by an insider that Fabius’s Spanner was to do with Syria: he’d insisted that a paragraph be added that would limit Iran’s support of Syria – he wanted to link Syria into the Iran equation, and so extraneous was this demand that absolutely everyone balked at it. That’s why you’re not getting a clear and unified explanation: it had nothing to do with Iran’s nuclear program whatsoever.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        November 15, 2013, 7:32 am

        Thanks, Taxi, very interesting. How we benefit from having someone with your ME vantage point!

      • American
        American
        November 15, 2013, 9:43 am

        Very astute Taxi……noticed that several FP experts are now catching 0nto that Syria linkage.

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