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Episcopal Church rejects BDS resolutions citing fears divestment would hamper church in Jerusalem

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The Episcopal Church USA (ECUSA), led by Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, overwhelmingly rejected three resolutions advocating boycott, divestment and sanction (BDS) in protest of Israel’s 48-year-long military occupation of the Palestinian territories. Hawaii, California, and a California bishop filed their BDS resolutions for consideration at the 78th general Convention of the ECUSA, beginning on June 25, 2015.

The ECUSA’s action to discard the three BDS resolutions comes on the heels of overwhelming approval by the United Church of Christ (UCC) of its own BDS resolution to boycott and divest from supporting Israel’s unlawful apartheid occupation of Palestine.  The UCC, in approving its church-wide BDS resolution, joined a rapidly growing global BDS campaign comprised of religious and secular organizations, including the Presbyterian Church and Methodist Church.

In rejecting all three BDS resolutions for consideration in the church’s just concluded week-long General Convention, the Episcopal Church’s House of Bishops, led by Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori, reaffirmed the Presiding Bishop’s longstanding public opposition to the use of BDS against Israel.

According to reliable sources, Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori has maintained a covenant with the Archbishop of Jerusalem, Suheil Dawani, a Palestinian, who also has publicly voiced opposition to the ECUSA joining the BDS campaign.  Archbishop Dawani is opposed to the church adopting BDS against Israel reportedly because he fears reprisal from the Israeli authorities in threatening his travel, residence in Jerusalem and administration of the diocese.  Hence rejection by the ECUSA of imposing non-violent BDS protest of Israel’s occupation ostensibly secures status quo for Archbishop Dawani whose archdiocese includes Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and the relatively safe haven of Jordan. This issue was directly addressed in the debate as reported by the Episcopal News Service:

Although the resolution didn’t use the word “divestment,” some bishops expressed concern that it was heading in that direction. Others reminded the house that Archbishop Suheil Dawani of the Episcopal Diocese of Jerusalem has urged the Episcopal Church not to adopt a policy that would make it more difficult for him to manage his congregations and the more than 30 social service institutions throughout Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and the Palestinian Territories. Those institutions include schools, hospitals, clinics and centers for people with disabilities and serve people of all faiths.

“Any hint of divestment will hamper the ministry of Archbishop Suheil Dawani and his priests and congregations in the Middle East,” said Bishop Jay Magness, bishop suffragan for Federal Ministries who served on the Legislative Committee on Social Justice and International Policy that considered the resolutions.

Hawaii’s discarded BDS resolution recounts what Palestinians have endured and continue to endure for the past six decades at the hands of extremist right-wing Israel:

“Resolved, That the 78th General Convention of the Episcopal Church continues to support the right of Israel to exist, and reaffirms its support of Israel to be able to live in peace, security and harmony with its neighbors, free from fear of attack from those who would threaten its existence; and also deplores and laments that Israel’s Occupation of 4.4 million Palestinians with its stifling policies of restricted movement, arbitrary arrests and detentions, house demolitions, uprooting of agricultural land, the building of illegal Jewish settlements, the construction of a barrier on Palestinian land, and the blockade and control of Gaza undermines Israel’s credibility in the eyes of the international community as Israel denies the civil and human rights of the Palestinian people to live in security and freedom from oppression . .

Resolved, That recognizing our Church’s investments in certain companies may be supporting the infrastructure of the Occupation, we embrace Archbishop Desmond Tutu’s observation that the powerful will only come to the negotiating table if economic pressure is applied, the Convention thereby adopts a policy of selective divestment or a No Buy policy of any holdings in Caterpillar, Hewlett Packard and Motorola Solutions until such time that the conflict is resolved through a just outcome for Palestinians and all Israelis or that these companies take action to disinvest from their involvement in the Occupation. . “

Also rejected, the BDS resolution submitted by the California diocese, stated:

“Resolved, That the 78th General Convention encourage the Church to divest from any investments it might have in Caterpillar, G4S, Hewlett-Packard, and Motorola Solutions, whose products and/or actions support the infrastructure of the occupation; and be it further

Resolved, That the 78th General Convention encourage Episcopalians to boycott products, such as Soda Stream, that are manufactured in Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

The occupation and settlements are considered illegal by the international community and our own government.  Nonetheless, in 46 years of occupation, the Israeli settler population in the West Bank and East Jerusalem has increased by five percent per year and, in the last decade, from 350,000 to 600,000.

These “facts on the ground” have eroded the prospects for a two-state solution and the hopes for peace, and have demonstrated that “corporate engagement” has failed. It is time to try new methods to persuade Israel to do what is in its own best interest.”

Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori’s opposition to employing non-violent BDS was underscored in January 2013, when a group of Episcopal and Anglican senior clergy, calling themselves “Episcopal Voices of Conscience” wrote to the Presiding Bishop’s Executive Council urging the ECUSA to join in the BDS campaign against Israel’s unlawful apartheid occupation.  Signatories to the letter included Archbishop Desmond Tutu and the Very Rev. Gary Hall, Dean of the Washington National Cathedral.  The letter urged:  “Just as this church stood with South Africa and Namibia during the dark days of Apartheid, so we recognize that we need to be standing with our sister and brother Palestinians who have endured an Apartheid that Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu has described as worse than it was in South Africa.”  Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori dismissed the letter as “problematic” and “unhelpful”.

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Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori’s nine-year term in office ends on November 1, 2015, as well as her weighty opposition within the ECUSA over joining the global BDS campaign to end Israel’s unlawful occupation of Palestine.  North Carolina Bishop Michael Curry, elected last week at the General Convention, replaces outgoing Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori on November 1.  Bishop Curry, the first African American to be elected as Primate of the Episcopal Church, hopefully will soon make his position known on the non-violent BDS campaign in protest to Israel’s 48-year-long unlawful Apartheid occupation of the State of Palestine.

In the meantime, Jerusalem Archbishop Suheil Dawani will continue to enjoy status quo, ostensibly “free of threat from Israel” and the four million Palestinians living in Gaza, East Jerusalem and the West Bank will continue to suffer and endure Israel’s brutal apartheid forced military occupation.

James Michie

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  1. Citizen on July 3, 2015, 10:19 am

    Everybody has vested interests, wants to secure their own well-paying job, eh? Meh.

    • barbara lyons on July 4, 2015, 12:43 pm

      Throughout history many people have given up everything for what is right and moral. The Episcopal cleric in Israel is obviously not one of them. As a Jew I will not stand up for Zionism or for the beliefs and behavior of the Israel citizens. If we all considered ourselves citizens of the world instead of only thinking in nationalistic and/or religious labels perhaps the world would be a more peaceful place. It is only a thought.

      • CigarGod on July 4, 2015, 12:56 pm

        There is no better thinking than that.

  2. HarryLaw on July 3, 2015, 11:02 am

    Archbishop Dawani’s attitude reminds me of a talk by Professor Finkelstein in Dublin recently, he said ‘you have to fight self’ then recounted how the many NGO’s in the West Bank exist because of the occupation and that many had a stake in the occupation, he also said if the occupation ended tomorrow “What would I do” no seriously “What would I do” He was only joking of course, but the point was well made. With leaders like Abbas and Archbishop Dawani the Palestinians outlook is bleak indeed.

  3. Donald on July 3, 2015, 11:05 am

    I suspect this vote has more to do with fear of what it would do to interfaith dialogue in the U.S.– the stuff about positive investment and peacemaking is rhetoric designed to offend as few people as possible. It will sound good to people who don’t follow the issue closely.

    • RoHa on July 4, 2015, 2:02 am

      I’ve never figured out what they could talk about in this interfaith dialogue.

      “So, are your lot thinking of taking up human sacrifice again?”
      “No, we’ll give it while longer. How about you?
      “We’re thinking of giving it up, but we’re worried it will reduce attendance figures.”

      Or perhaps how to deal with the collection.

      “We draw a line on a table. Then we throw the money up in the air. That which falls on the right is the Lord’s, for His work, and that which falls on the left is for us.”

      “We draw a circle on the floor, and then throw the money in the air. The money that falls in the circle is the Lord’s, and that outside the circle is ours.”

      “We just throw it up towards Heaven. The Lord keeps what he wants and sends the rest down to us.”

  4. Pippilin on July 3, 2015, 11:58 am

    Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and the Episcopalians have no moral guts. What a disingenuous (by Episopalians) reason for voting against BDS. Is the bishop of Jerusalem worth it? Hardly– it’s a pathetic joke & the only one they could come up with.

  5. hophmi on July 3, 2015, 12:13 pm

    Or that most Episcopalians just find the notion of boycotting the world’s only Jewish state morally offensive.

    • talknic on July 3, 2015, 12:48 pm

      You’ve obviously got eyes and you can obviously read hophmi. Try reading “citing fears divestment would hamper church in Jerusalem”

      Nothing about the notion of boycotting Israel’s illegal activities being morally offensive

      • Donald on July 3, 2015, 2:53 pm

        I think hophmi is inadvertently on to something–the bishops probably didn’t relish the prospect of being accused of antisemitism, so they took the easy way out and claim to support peace while actually endorsing the status quo.

        With some exceptions, church leaders tend to be politicians more than anything else.

    • RoHa on July 4, 2015, 2:04 am

      So if there were four or five Jewish states, the Episcopalians wouldn’t find boycotting one of them offensive?

    • eljay on July 4, 2015, 8:24 am

      || hophmi: Or that most Episcopalians just find the notion of boycotting the world’s only Jewish state morally offensive. ||

      Israel exists as an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist state. There’s nothing morally offensive about opposing such a state and expecting it to abide by international laws.

      There plenty morally offensive about advocating, defending, excusing and justifying:
      – the existence of an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist state; and
      – that state’s past and on-going (war) crimes and blatant disregard for justice, accountability and equality.

  6. Xpat on July 3, 2015, 12:36 pm

    “Interfaith dialogue” = The Jewish establishment.
    Back in the Revolutionary War, the Episcopalians escaped the charge of treason when they separated from the British Anglicans. My impression is that this is largely an establishment religion with some notable, inspiring exceptions such as Fr. Cotton Fite.

    • W.Jones on July 3, 2015, 4:37 pm

      The Episcopal Church is not “being there” for thousands of their own people like the Anglican Palestinian Naim Ateek when they need their church in harsh times. Providing help to them just got caught up in bureaucracy. eg. “Yes, I believe you are abused (does the Episcopalian church even see that?), but I am worried about NOT investing in your abuser because your abuser might get angry that I stopped investing in him and will hurt you more”.

      It’s so strange and callous.

  7. Les on July 3, 2015, 12:43 pm

    Our media deliberately uses “Jerusalem” without distinguishing between West Jerusalem and East Jerusalem, such as it did distinguish between East Berlin and West Berlin when that city too was divided.. We hear almost daily of Jerusalem’s expanding borders as some kind of inocuous fact rather than being informed that those Jerusalem borders are in occupied East Jerusalem. I propose accepting that Jerusalem be the term to refer to the city’s Israel borders and use El Kuds to refer to East Jerusalem.

    • echinococcus on July 3, 2015, 5:41 pm

      Of all the… Why on earth? Jerusalem is Palestinian land seized by bandits and declared by the UN to be a corpus separatum, no part of any established state. So solid that even the US of friggin A still understands that, and we want to officially recognize a Zionist-held part in it?
      I suppose your proposal would be met with delight in “liberal-Zionist” circles.

  8. David Doppler on July 3, 2015, 1:13 pm

    Another “victory” for Netanyahu, and at what cost? It is now clearer to many Episcopalians that Israel is using the threat of mistreatment of Episcopal Churches in Jerusalem and the rest of the Occupied territory as a lever to demand political/diplomatic support against non-violent efforts to persuade Israel to reform itself. A corrupted and un-principled stand for the Episcopal Church.

    And thank you for Desmond Tutu’s fine insight: “the powerful will only come to the negotiating table if economic pressure is applied.” It reminds of the lawyer joke, from Punch & Judy, I believe: “You have an excellent case, Madam. How much justice can you afford?” Also, Theodore Roosevelt’s quote, which regained currency in the Nixon Administration: “When you’ve got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow,”

    Israel is using its occupation of Jerusalem as a lever to coerce churches to avoid pressuring Israel with respect to compliance with international law. The occupation is soul-destroying for Israel, even as it oppresses Palestinians, and corrupts those who need anything from Israel.

    • Nevada Ned on July 3, 2015, 4:31 pm

      During Watergate, it was Charles Colson who proclaimed, “get them by the balls, and their hearts and minds will follow.”

      It didn’t work: Nixon was impeached, and Colson went to jail.

      A regime that relies only on brute force is always in danger.

    • JWalters on July 3, 2015, 6:31 pm

      “Archbishop Dawani is opposed to the church adopting BDS against Israel reportedly because he fears reprisal from the Israeli authorities”

      Aren’t the Christian churches complaining about this sort of bullying in China? Why not in Israel?

      Archbishop Dawani might meditate on how Jesus stood up to the bullies of his day.

  9. michelle on July 3, 2015, 3:04 pm

    i’m sorry what
    whose church are you building
    how can His faithful save the/a house and let His children burn
    G-d Bless

  10. MHughes976 on July 3, 2015, 3:48 pm

    The Church of England, the Episcopal mother church and my religious gang, has tended to behave as if the ME problem didn’t exist and I guess this tendency will be reinforced by the example of our American cousins. I suppose it’s hard not to take our cue from our man on the spot in Jerusalem. We’re people of the status quo.

  11. W.Jones on July 3, 2015, 4:13 pm

    Thanks for the article, James.

    Did you ever go through and call the archbishop’s office a few times about your letter as I suggested?
    212-716-6000 | 800-334-7626

    • JimMichie on July 4, 2015, 10:19 am

      Not yet, but I do intend to, and will continue to ask Presiding Bishop-elect Michael Curry where he stands on the BDS issue and how did he “vote” in the House of Bishops to trash all three BDS resolutions. The Episcopal General Convention is a triennial event, meaning that the church officially cannot take up the issue of BDS or any other non-violent protest of Apartheid Israel’s brutal 48-year-long–and counting–forced military occupation until 2018. The question: in the meantime, how many more merciless massacres in Gaza (three in the last 6 years) and continuing denial of freedom, justice and equality in all of the State of Palestine must Palestinians suffer and endure!

      • CigarGod on July 4, 2015, 3:01 pm

        I’d be surprised if they didn’t have the flexibility to respond to change of conditions/emergencies.

  12. Boo on July 3, 2015, 5:05 pm

    Delighted that my home diocese of Hawaii was the author of the main resolution. We know what it’s like to have our homeland and self-governance snatched from us. We know what it’s like to be treated like second-class citizens in our own land.

    Equally disgusted in the House of Bishops for caving so cravenly. When one has no convictions, one can scarcely have the courage of them. Perhaps our new Presiding Bishop, being African-American, will shine a light to help them recover the true path from which they have strayed.

    Much as it pained me to do it, several years ago I shook the dust off my sandals and moved on with other Christians who are likewise moving forward. I am pleased now to count myself a member of a union Presbyterian / UCC congregation, both of whose polities have shown no compunction in siding with the disenfranchised and marginalized.

  13. JLewisDickerson on July 3, 2015, 6:30 pm

    RE: “Archbishop Dawani is opposed to the church adopting BDS against Israel reportedly because he fears reprisal from the Israeli authorities in threatening his travel and residence in Jerusalem. Hence rejection by the ECUSA of imposing non-violent BDS protest of Israel’s occupation ostensibly secures status quo for Archbishop Dawani . . .” ~ James Michie

    MY COMMENT: How incredibly odious! An absolutely abominable disgrace!

  14. Parity on July 3, 2015, 9:33 pm

    “Bishop Suheil Dawani, Anglican,” signed the Kairos Palestine document of December 15, 2009, calling on Christians around the world to engage in BDS against the Israeli occupation. Now, apparently, he is Archbishop. He must have changed his mind after becoming Archbishop and receiving pressure from the Israeli government.

    • Donald on July 3, 2015, 11:31 pm

      I googled a bit and my impression is that his focus, or at least one of them, is keeping the Anglican-run hospital in Gaza open because it treats a great many wounded people. If that is his motive, it’s hard to blame him–the American bishops with their mealy mouthed platitudes are a different story.

      • ritzl on July 4, 2015, 1:23 am

        Wow, Donald. What a truly profound, soul-testing, tautological dilemna that is.

        To have to choose between helping a few people from Israeli depravity by enabling the very depravity that causes them to need help.

        I just cannot imagine what the Palestinians go through on a daily basis, but that sure is an agonizing (heart-breaking) illustration.

      • ritzl on July 4, 2015, 1:28 am

        It’s like triage for the healthy. “Some of you uninjured are going to die in the near future, but I can help these injured now if I acquiesce to that fact.”

        Unimaginable and intentionally-inflicted (by Israel) anguish.

      • diasp0ra on July 4, 2015, 10:32 am

        Donald, I have to add my voice to your own. I know the Archibishop (before he became one), he used to give talks at our school twice a month or so. He didn’t seem to me like the capitulating type, or the one that would suck up to Israel. If he has indeed urged them not to, I’m sure he has a reason.

        Though I am still disappointed in him, but I’m sure his position was difficult. Until he can tells us why he urged them not to, I don’t wish to rush to judgement.

  15. michelle on July 4, 2015, 12:39 am

    this ‘church’
    is as effective as a hamster on a wheel
    G-d Bless

    • just on July 4, 2015, 6:18 am

      Well said, michelle.

      One is only left to wonder what Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori and Archbishop of Jerusalem, Suheil Dawan have to say about this:

      “Israeli soldiers detain Archbishop Hannah… — Israeli soldiers kidnapped, Saturday, Archbishop of Sebastia of the Greek Orthodox Church of occupied Jerusalem, Theodosius Attallah Hanna, and held him for several hours in the Etzion military and security base, north of Hebron, in the southern part of the occupied West Bank. Father Hanna was participating in a nonviolent protest against the illegal takeover of Beit Al-Bakara old Church, north of Hebron … Scores of residents, Israeli and international peace activists, in addition to a delegation of the Presbyterian Church, participated in the procession, before the soldiers assaulted them. .. The senior Christian figure was held for several hours in the Gush Etzion military and security base, before the soldiers eventually released him. Prior to his release, Archbishop Hanna was handed an order for interrogation by the Israeli security services … Pastor Danny Awad of the Presbyterian Church also delivered a speech explaining the role Beit al-Baraka played in helping patients through its free services to the public. Israeli peace activists of “Combatants For Peace” said that the illegal Israeli policies must be exposed and condemned by all religious groups around the world, and called for more public support to counter the escalating Israeli violations. The importance of the new settlement is that it paves the way for further settlement expansion, especially since there are more than 500 dunams (around 125 acres) of Palestinian lands illegally confiscated by Israel in 2005, used to expand kibbutz Magdalen Oz. Israel is also planning to build a settlers’ road bypassing the al-‘Arroub refugee camp. More information on Beit al-Baraka”: – See more at:

      Many thanks to Jim for his very good efforts and his pursuit of justice.

  16. CigarGod on July 4, 2015, 9:03 am

    Well, hard to expect heroics from someone who made a career out of not rocking the boat, and surrounded herself with similar minded cronies.
    Wouldnt do to threaten all that stability, by trying to get something worthwhile accomplished.

  17. MHughes976 on July 4, 2015, 9:08 am

    I understand that Dawani’s papers are by some legal fiddle not quite in order and that he could be exiled tomorrow if anyone important so chose. Charitable activities like the Gaza hospital might indeed suffer as part of the same process. This is really the same moral argument as that often used in World War II – ‘”speaking out” might both induce the bad guys to get worse and also draw their wrath down specifically on those we most care about’.

    • CigarGod on July 4, 2015, 9:11 am

      No doubt a defective bomb could go off course…and…so sad, but it would be the bishops fault.

    • michelle on July 4, 2015, 11:00 am

      band-aids aren’t bullet/bomb proof
      hospitals/churches/help stations in Gaza aren’t either
      G-d Bless

  18. arobertsccl on July 4, 2015, 11:05 am

    I am a strong supporter of BDS but have spent many years as a member of St. George”s Cathedral in Jerusalem. I do not agree with Bishop Suheil’s decision, but his fears are real.
    Israel can and will hurt our churches and programs there and hurt them badly. Under the previous Bishop, an outspoken supporter of Palestine, for example, our visiting Priests from the U.S. etc. did not receive long term visas, requiring them to leave each three months (usually for Jordan) , and to spend up,to five hours of border harassment each time. They also can and will punish the Church by seizing valuable and venerable property. I was involved for example when settlers seized the Catholic Franciscan Churc Where Jesus Wept on the Mt. Of Olives, and came close to holding it (the rumor was that the site with its beautiful views of Jerusalem, would be perfect for a hotel). The Franciscans eventually won this one, although unusually the priest who first called for help was mysteriously knifed to death on the path to the church. Thieves do not attack priests there out of respect and because because they never carry valuables. The schools, community services and congregations in the Holy Land are also vulnerable to the many beaurocratic blocks they know so well. None of these programs are safe
    from deliberate and purposeful harm.

    • CigarGod on July 4, 2015, 11:46 am

      Well, then…it seems like a God-given opportunity.
      Let Israel attack, destroy, Christian churches…in front of the whole world. Let a cleric fall to the ground in the hot sun.
      If the good father wants to make a real, lasting difference, he should really take a stand.

      • Donald on July 4, 2015, 12:36 pm

        You first, cigar God, if that is really your name.

        You seem so wrapped up in telling other people how they should die you neglected to notice the bishop might be concerned about the deaths of Palestinians in hospitals.

      • CigarGod on July 4, 2015, 12:53 pm

        I’ve been first, Donald.
        I’ve been gassed, trampled, bean-bagged, shot at and detained.
        Probably…some of the people in the hospitals you mention, also took some action in their own way. They were willing to pay the price. Given the opportunity, many would do it again. Many would protest in the street along side the good father, if he had what it took.

      • Donald on July 4, 2015, 12:57 pm

        Good for you then. I don’t know his motives, but he might have good ones. I think your outrage should be aimed more at the American bishops though, particularly the ones who use the usual dialogue tripe which means nothing if Israel feels no pressure to change its behavior.

      • CigarGod on July 4, 2015, 1:02 pm

        We are in agreement.
        I wrote to the American Episcopal leader last week, when the story first appeared here with a link…perhaps provided by Just.

        Im not against clerics being thoughtful and weighing risk/reward. But i think there is a time to stop weighing and take some action.

    • Kris on July 4, 2015, 2:04 pm

      Instead of giving in to Israel’s extortion, the Episcopalians should be shouting from every pulpit about the outrages you describe, every single week, as well as putting out press releases and putting up signs and posters in their communities.

      The only way to fight extortion is to shine very bright lights on it, so that everyone knows exactly what is happening.

      The Episcopalians are like an abused wife, too afraid to risk leaving the relationship.

  19. Ian Berman on July 4, 2015, 11:44 am

    I’ll take “Analogies to the Catholic Church Complicity with the Nazis” for $1,000, Alex.

  20. PilgrimSoul on July 4, 2015, 2:24 pm

    “Isn’t it wonderful that so many people are leaving the church, and going back to God?”

    Lenny Bruce

    Damn, where is Lenny when we need him?

  21. michelle on July 4, 2015, 5:10 pm

    so the church once again says shhh don’t tell
    if they can’t stand the heat they can/should get out of the kitchen
    G-d Bless

  22. michelle on July 4, 2015, 6:11 pm

    seems like in this data advanced world places like churches would
    inform their whole group of the facts and allow each person a say/a vote
    side by side yet one by one
    just as G-d Wills it is done
    G-d Bless

    • Boo on July 6, 2015, 6:36 pm

      If only that were the way the Episcopal polity works. Before anything goes to the House of Deputies (lay and parish priest delegates to the convention) it has to be approved by the House of Bishops. The incredibly frustrating thing is that in recent history, the House of Bishops has always led the way (in matters like liturgical reform, women priests and bishops, gay priests and bishops, same-sex marriage, etc.) where the Deputies tended, as a group, to be more conservative and in need of a good prod from the House of Bishops.

      I suspect had these resolutions made it across to the Deputies, the outcome would’ve been different. How strange to see the roles reversed this time.

  23. KarlRKaiser on July 4, 2015, 10:00 pm

    Smart thinking on her part. We wouldn’t want Zionist nuts to start burning down churches in Israel. Oh wait … they already do.

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