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We are still in times where speaking about a single democratic and secular state in Israel-Palestine is considered contentious. Just look how former Knesset Speaker Avraham Burg was received at a liberal synagogue in NY, when he spoke about this concept – Rabbi Matalon called him a “troublemaker”, and rabbi Cohen said he “pushed all the buttons”.

But today, a new foundation is officially launching – the One State Foundation, which boldly and clearly promotes this concept and goal. 

Full disclosure – I am an advisory board member. The team is a serious one, with many strong capacities – Palestinians, Israelis and internationals who share the bold one-state vision. These three board members represent this spectrum:

  • Hamada Jaber, who was born in Jerusalem in 1983. He studied Business Administration at the Arab American University in Jenin and holds a master’s degree in Peacekeeping & Security Studies from Roma Tre University in Italy. He is a political activist and participated in dozens of political conferences and workshops. Hamada currently works for the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR).
  • Ofer Neiman, a Jewish Israeli citizen from Jerusalem/Al-Quds. He has been active in various groups for justice and equality for the Palestinian people. He is currently an active supporter of the BDS Movement. He regularly publishes opinion pieces or translations on outlets such as Mondoweiss and +972.
  • Angélique Eijpe, a Dutch diplomat currently on an extended leave in order to support the establishment of the Foundation. Over the past 25 years she regularly lived, worked and studied within the Palestinian Territories and Israel and worked on Dutch foreign policy on the conflict for a number of years after she joined the Dutch Foreign Service in 2002. Directly prior to that she lived in Hebron for a year and a half, working for the Temporary International Presence in the city, initially as an observer, later on as the legal adviser of the organization.

Here is our press release announcing the foundation:  

Launch of The One State Foundation: a new Palestinian-Israeli initiative to grow debate and support for a one state solution

 Jerusalem, March 1, 2018 – After over 70 years of conflict, 50 years of occupation and close to 25 years of a detrimental and counterproductive peace process it is more urgent than ever to pursue a path to a genuine and all-encompassing solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. The One State Foundation launches publicly today with an agenda to broaden debate and ultimately support for a one state solution.   

The One State Foundation acknowledges the one state reality that has been in place for over 50 years and aims to have this reality transformed to one in which all people living under the control of the same state have the same civil, political and socio-economic rights and opportunities regardless of their ethnicity or religion. In order for a one state reality to materialize, acknowledging and repairing past and present injustices, among them the right of return, is crucial.

The One State Foundation is an initiative of individual Palestinians, Israelis and internationals who share the conviction that a one state solution is the only available all-encompassing and therefore genuine solution to the conflict. As Hamada Jaber, co-founder and board members states; “We should stop wasting our time and the time of future generations and immediately start investing all our efforts in the only solution; the one state solution. There is already significant support for such a solution in both communities, varying between 30 to 40 percent according to some recent surveys. This despite the fact that no official body or political party on either side has adopted the one state vision, nor does any explicit support for such solution exist within the international community. Should this change, popular support for the one state vision will surely further increase. In addition, I trust the international community can play a crucial role by changing their current policy and funding, which in fact enables and supports the continuation of the de-facto apartheid reality.  Instead, it could invest in supporting equal rights for all, thereby standing in true solidarity with the oppressed Palestinian people and ultimately supporting a brighter future for all.”   

Jeff Halper, one of the advisory board members adds; “It is time to recognize that Israel has unilaterally and irreversibly created one country between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River. Our task is clear: to transform that apartheid state into a democratic if multicultural state of all its citizens.”  

Angélique Eijpe, co-founder and board member addresses the challenge taken on by the foundation as follows; “Envisioning a true and all-encompassing solution is for many – understandably, given the reality  – more difficult than embracing some form of ‘managing the conflict’. What we have to keep in mind is that it is not practical impediments that make the realization of one state impossible. It is first and foremost a question of psychology and mindset. Can we make people see, emotionally feel and rationally understand that a shared future in equality is in the end beneficial for all? That is the challenge we are taking on.”

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  1. amigo
    amigo
    March 1, 2018, 12:18 pm

    Expect to hear/read the usual whining from zios who will claim this is meant to deny Jews their right to self determination.Never mind that their right to self determination comes at the price of denying the Palestinians their rights.

    The 1SS is way past due and given that Israel has contributed so much effort in creating a One State .then we should all help them in their efforts.

  2. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    March 1, 2018, 12:51 pm

    Thank you Angelique and Jonathan for setting out the only stall left in the I/P conflict and good luck with your Foundation. The single state is quite simply the only way forward and as your initiative shows the acceptance of this is gaining traction with each new settler unit built in the O/T.
    Some Israelis are just blind to this fact or are too frightened to address reality so they just look the other way with regards to the O/T situation.
    Some Israelis know that the 2SS was is and will continue to be a basic ploy to maintain the Apartheid status quo but are so arrogant and so certain of continued US support and European hesitation that they will simply carry on as is.
    A minority of Israelis realise that the 1SS is now inevitable and would want to make the landing as soft as possible. As the extreme right dig in further these Israelis will have a stark choice – either to dig in and fight on or admit to a losing battle and get out of the unholy mess which their country has become.
    The writing is on the wall for the so called “Nation State of the Jewish People” which will go down as just another stain in the history of humanity with a particular depraved twist in that it was a catalogue of oppression and ethnic cleansing perpetrated by members of a religious community who themselves had suffered so horrendously from savage oppression and ethnic cleansing in the recent past.

  3. March 1, 2018, 1:32 pm

    “What we have to keep in mind is that it is not practical impediments that make the realization of one state impossible. It is first and foremost a question of psychology and mindset. Can we make people see, emotionally feel and rationally understand that a shared future in equality is in the end beneficial for all? That is the challenge we are taking on.”

    Agreed – this is an amazing development and desperately needed!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHACNQetGpwLr31vkEQR7rg

  4. Peter in SF
    Peter in SF
    March 2, 2018, 12:51 am

    Here in the U.S., this week the media have been marking the 50th anniversary of the release of the report of the Kerner Commission, or officially the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders. Every source reporting on it includes the report’s most famous sentence: “Our nation is moving toward two societies, one black, one white — separate and unequal.” And every commentator agrees that this is a bad outcome. Progress is measured by the degree to which this outcome is being avoided.

  5. RoHa
    RoHa
    March 2, 2018, 1:41 am

    And not a moment too soon.

  6. Citizen
    Citizen
    March 2, 2018, 9:41 am

    ON CSPAN2 today, March 2, 2018, from 8AM to 4PM: Discussion of the Israel Lobby, US-Israel relations, the Middle East. Please share on all your social platforms ASAP.

  7. Misterioso
    Misterioso
    March 2, 2018, 11:18 am

    Meanwhile:

    http://imemc.org/article/palestinian-astrophysicist-wins-international-prize/

    “Palestinian Astrophysicist Wins International Prize”
    IMEMC News, March 1/18

    “Palestinian scientist, professor and lecturer at Al-Aqsa University, Suleiman Baraka, received the Italian Renata Borlon Prize, for the year 2018, in its fourth edition, at the University of Sofia in Tuscany.

    “Palestinian astrophysicist Sulaiman Baraka is from the town of Bani Suhaila in Khan Younis, southern the Gaza Strip.

    “Baraka received a Phd. in astrophysics from the University of Pierre and Marie Curie in Paris, in 2010, and founded the Center for Astronomy and Space Sciences of Al-Aqsa University in Gaza.

    “According to Al Ray Palestinian Media Agency, he currently holds a research chair at UNESCO, in astronomy, astrophysics and space science, and works with NASA, the European Space Agency, the American Astronomical Union and the International Astronomical Union.

    “Italian Renata Borlon was established in 2005 by the Renata Borlone Cultural Association, in collaboration with the Sophia University Institute.”

  8. JimMichie
    JimMichie
    March 2, 2018, 6:00 pm

    The Nazis came up with a “final solution” and so now Zionist Israel comes up with its’s “final solution”–to steal by force and gunpoint what is left of Palestine, the nation state stolen by the Zionists over the past 60 years. Moreover, for anyone to believe that Zionists will ever treat their neighbors, the palestinians, as human beings is dreaming! The Zionists have spent 60 years depriving Palestinians, with brutal racist force, all freedom, justice and equality by dehumanizing and demonizing them all! The “one-state solution” is yet another transparent ploy, another page out of the Josef Goebbels propaganda playbook! And Mondoweiss is swallowing it and regurgitating it all!

  9. mondonut
    mondonut
    March 2, 2018, 9:17 pm

    Recent surveys show that 30 to 40 percent of Israelis support the 1SS along with the Palestinian right of return?

    I have to call BS on that.

    • eljay
      eljay
      March 3, 2018, 7:06 pm

      || mon donut: Recent surveys show that 30 to 40 percent of Israelis support the 1SS along with the Palestinian right of return?

      I have to call BS on that. ||

      Dunno. 20% of Israelis are not Jewish, so I imagine there’s a very small percentage of non-Jewish Israelis who support Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine.

      And I would like to believe that at least 10% of Jewish Israelis are not hateful and immoral Jewish supremacists (Zionists).

      But you could be right: Maybe most Jewish Israelis really are nothing more than hateful and immoral Jewish supremacists (Zionists).

  10. JosephA
    JosephA
    March 3, 2018, 12:17 am

    Hi Jonathan,

    Thank you very much for sharing this press release. The one state solution is the only solution.

  11. JimMichie
    JimMichie
    March 3, 2018, 11:04 am

    I noticed that you have left my posted comment hanging under “Your comment is awaiting moderation”. No matter. But I still wonder how Mondoweiss can be so “accepting” of a so-called “one state solution” when Zionist attacks, middle-of-the-night-Gestopo-type home raids and jailings (without charge) are on the increase now, with the obvious sanction of madman Donald Trump. Madman Netanyahu’s Zionist “soldier” thugs continue their nightly rampages through Palestinian neighborhoods and homes. Does Mondoweiss really believe that all of this will change with a “one state solution”? Wishful thinking, at best, especially in the face of examples like this:
    Video: Israeli forces shoot, beat Palestinian before his death
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/03/video-israeli-forces-shoot-beat-palestinian-death-180303073840613.html

    So, Phil and Adam, must the Palestinians and we, the people who demand freedom, justice and equality for the Palestinians, must we be content with the fantasy wishful thinking that there can ever be freedom, justice and equality for the Palestinians at the hands of Benjamin Netanyahu and his millions of brutal, racist, fascist, terrorist Zionist thugs? What say you?

    Jim Michie

    • annie
      annie
      March 3, 2018, 12:24 pm

      I noticed that you have left my posted comment hanging under “Your comment is awaiting moderation”.

      we’re backed up. everyones comment says that.

      • gamal
        gamal
        March 3, 2018, 7:40 pm

        ” everyones comment says that”

        My dear Annie,

        when Libya died we watched in horror, but we nomad people, so one boy found some broken guitars a free berber child one of us…

        he taught himself to play, like muamar kaddafi with a guitar, here my dear a love song a lament for our dead states but we live still, as always ….inar..we sing because we happy this son of omar mukhtar, bombino…in 2010 he played the mosque in Agadez (look in to that those of you who have an interest)

      • annie
        annie
        March 4, 2018, 3:31 am

        my dear gamal — thank you. it calms my soul tonight, your music.

      • JimMichie
        JimMichie
        March 4, 2018, 5:49 pm

        backed up for two days? Really, Robbin? Well then permit me to offer my services as a “backstop editor” for you. Eager to help in any way. Cheers!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 5, 2018, 2:05 pm

        “backed up for two days? Really, Robbin? Well then permit me to offer my services as a “backstop editor” for you.”

        Gee, thanks,Batman.

      • annie
        annie
        March 9, 2018, 3:04 pm

        backed up for two days?

        nope, the only comment by you on this thread before your 11 am complaint was dated the evening before at 6pm. so no, it wasn’t backed up for 2 days, it wasn’t even backed up for a full day.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      March 3, 2018, 1:09 pm

      Jim Michie,

      Does Mondoweiss really believe that all of this will change with a “one state solution”?

      Excellent question. In fact, one of the key questions.

      Wishful thinking, at best

      At best, it is nothing else than the Zionist Plan C.

      Plan A is to implement the current situation as definitive, complete the genocide of the owners of Palestine and settle it wall-to-wall, while preparing to invade neighboring countries.

      Plan B is for when the Western imperial powers need a pretext for pushing Zionism: it’s the solution of endless talks about possible future talks about “two states” –no Zionist party ever intends to effectively implement anything of the sort, obviously.

      Plan C is to keep an endless flow of nice talk about magically transforming the current racial supremacist, genocidal police state, including its Ayrab-hunting preserves, into an egalitarian, secular republic where the man facing the business end of the gun has just as much right to vote and power as the one holding the gun. This isn’t wishful thinking, this is Zionist deception of the highest order for especially unthinking, history-unaware liberals.

      • JimMichie
        JimMichie
        March 4, 2018, 5:45 pm

        Thank you, echinococcus. It is refreshing to see your statement of reality!

    • MHughes976
      MHughes976
      March 3, 2018, 3:53 pm

      James, I think that anything worthy of being called a Solution would end these dreadful and inhuman things. If it involved one stare, ie did not depend on forcing s ludicrously unjust partition of land and resources on the Palestinians, all the better. Whether any such thing is possible is another matter. It would certainly conflict with Z ideology,, which claims all Palestine for perple who are Jewish, the supposed true heirs, and those to whom the true heirs extend grace and generosity.

      • JimMichie
        JimMichie
        March 4, 2018, 5:52 pm

        “Worthy” is the key word, MHughes976. Please give further thought and consideration to the horrific history of the Zionist onslaught in Palestine over the past 60 years, along with thought and consideration of the Zionist “mandate” for a one-state Israel to be a theocracy incapable in itself of ever becoming a democracy.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      March 3, 2018, 5:52 pm

      “Jim Miche”, the article was written by Jonathan Ofir, and Mondoweiss is mentioned once, in passing. (Ofer Neiman’s bio: “He regularly publishes opinion pieces or translations on outlets such as Mondoweiss and +972.”)

      • JimMichie
        JimMichie
        March 4, 2018, 5:46 pm

        Comforting, no less.

    • JLewisDickerson
      JLewisDickerson
      March 5, 2018, 12:25 am

      TO BORROW FROM MAGGIE THATCHER
      (i.e., Margaret Hilda Thatcher, Baroness Thatcher of Kesteven):
      “There is no alternative.” (T.I.N.A.)

  12. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    March 3, 2018, 12:59 pm

    @James Michie
    ” must we be content with the fantasy wishful thinking that there can ever be freedom, justice and equality for the Palestinians at the hands of Benjamin Netanyahu and his millions of brutal, racist, fascist, terrorist Zionist thugs? What say you?”

    Obviously I can`t speak for Phil and Adam but IMHO you are missing the obvious initial factor in what will become a single state = the Apartheid factor. I am sure that black South Africans in the 1970`s and 1980`s despaired at times but they fought on and within a short period of time the civilised world was forced to deal with their situation. With the example of South African Apartheid in the near past and with the new facts of life in information technology ( spartphones.Internet etc) the battle will be a lot easier.

    Plus I believe the bottom line is that a significant proportion of Jewish Israelis see themselves as being civilised “Europeans” and from the moment that the “pariah” sanctions across the board kick in they will be scrambling to get out.

    Initial indicators about the so called Trump I/P initiative suggest that this reality has been recognised and that the US administration in tandem with the Zraelis is cobbling together a “faux” Palestinian State with what is laughingly described as “eternal self rule” (the Yahoo`s state -minus). I think that Trump and whoever is left in his “cabinet” want to be seen to have at least tried before the brown Apartheid stuff hits the fan.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/erekat-us-peace-plan-imposes-solution-legitimizing-apartheid-and-settlements/

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      March 4, 2018, 10:20 pm

      Ossinev,

      That’s exactly what I mean about fairy tales for liberals. This isn’t South Africa. It’s not about a little band of Whites trying to make the Africans sweat a little longer. It’s about a bunch of blabbering madmen expressly hellbent on totally eliminating the locals. The Apartheid is only an interim solution to manage that genocide and make an extra buck in the meantime.
      The Zionists do not, like the SA Whites, need the Blacks for a living. They are only too happy to get rid of all Palestinians, not only their presence but also their memory.
      Have a look at which side has all the weapons, armies, connections, networks in addition to commanding the US and part of Europe, and which side has none of all that, and tell me with a straight face that if someone signs a paper this will mean political equality.

      The SA agreement works somewhat because of the years of armed struggle and the utter defeat of the Whites, and the fact that these Whites were collectively rational actors who made concessions considering their material interest. None of that applies in Palestine.
      The Zionist leadership will only ever talk about some pie-in-the-sky “egalitarian one state”, the way it’s been talking about two states since Camp Goliath while doing the exact contrary.

  13. JimMichie
    JimMichie
    March 4, 2018, 7:46 pm

    So, Ossinev, what, IYHO, would be the acceptable price, or cost, for overcoming “apartheid”–hard-nozed racism backed with armed might–in Zionist Israel, which deceptively claims to be a “democracy” when it is a brutal, racist, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, land-stealing, fascist, terrorist, theocratic regime? Could the price/cost be one, 100, 1,000, 100,000, or more Palestinian lives snuffed out by the uniformed Zionist thugs before Palestinians can finally enjoy freedom, justice and equality in what was their homeland to begin with? And should we forget about the 4-million or more Palestinian refugees driven out of their homeland by the Zionists over the past 60 years? Should we also expect Zionist Israelis to, out of the “goodness” of their hearts, allow the diaspora Palestinians to return to their homeland, to their homes and land stolen at gunpoint by the Zionists? Yet a few things to consider: n’est pas?

    • zaisser@yahoo.com
      [email protected]
      March 8, 2018, 5:00 am

      James, no one can argue against your description of Zionist depravity. However, what exactly are you proposing as a solution? Or are you saying that there is no solution in any direction?

  14. echinococcus
    echinococcus
    March 8, 2018, 8:38 am

    Yours is quite a question, Zaisser. When depravity, as you say, becomes intolerable, it won’t be tolerated and generally the solution is to make it disappear. Simple logic.
    Why assume that anyone would imply there’s no solution?
    I’m sure James, who was asked, has an even better answer.

    • JimMichie
      JimMichie
      March 8, 2018, 10:05 am

      “[D]epravity”, Zaisser? Oh, please, let’s be far more specific and less charitable to describing the 50-year Zionist regime rule of Palestine: brutal, racist, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, land-stealing, fascist and terrorist.

      And, yes, echinococcus, I do have an answer—and Zionists and Zionist sympathizers cringe at the thought of it: a breaking of the evil-begetting silence of those in Israel and around the world who do believe in Judaism: “What is hateful to you, do not to your fellowmen. That is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary.” Talmud, Shabbat 31:a

      Just as Christians believe: “All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them.” Matthew 7:12.

      And just as Muslims believe: Islam: “No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself.” Sunnah

      Reaching back to Nazi Germany in the 1930s, Zaisser, the very same “depravity” existed until humankind rose up to crush the brutal, racist, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, land-stealing, fascist and terrorist “Third Reich”.

      The bottom line question: is there courage enough, or will there ever be courage enough, among those practicing true Judaism, within Israel and around the world, to rise up and rid Israel of the Zionist scourge and restore freedom, justice and equality to the Palestinians? My response at this time: “The answer, my friend, is blowin’ in the wind, the answer is blowin’ in the wind”!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 8, 2018, 4:40 pm

        ” My response at this time: “The answer, my friend, is blowin’ in the wind, the answer is blowin’ in the wind”!”

        And maybe we’ll be ‘Saved’ by a ‘Slow Train Coming’, too!

      • zaisser@yahoo.com
        [email protected]
        March 9, 2018, 2:12 pm

        Well, James, like I already said, no one is arguing with your depiction. No need to take me to task for summing up your more appropriate and accurate long list of adjectives for cutting it down to the one word ‘depravity’.
        But my question remains, if you think this is the only solution: ” a breaking of the evil-begetting silence of those in Israel and around the world who do believe in Judaism: “What is hateful to you, do not to your fellowmen. That is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary.” Talmud, Shabbat 31:a”. HOW is this going to happen, and what are YOU doing to help make it happen. I myself certainly regularly confront people (to the point that it has cost me relationships even with my siblilngs) by putting challenging historical information in front of American Jews, their silent Gentile friends, and also challenge Austrian here (where I now live) that the REAL lesson of the Holocaust, that genocide is in EVERY case wrong and immoral, and the Zionist should not get a pass because of what Europeans did to Jews seventy years ago. But I am afraid THAT is not enough to sway the balance. So WHAT are YOU proposing as a course of action?
        Did you notice that Jeff Halper seems to be on the board of the group/movement that you are criticizing? I just saw him speak in Vienna this winter and was swayed by his essay on “The Matrix of Control”. He is a very serious committed American Jew living in Israel and was founder of the Committee Against House Demolitions. I give weight to things he would support.
        Another point, you throw a guesstimated number of Palestinian deaths that would happen in the wake of a sovereign one-state nation of Israelis and Palestinians. No doubt it would be a long hard struggle…but how do you see Palestinian deaths and casualties declining with the current reality continuing. It seems to me the two sides are deadlocked either way, and I’d rather have a constitutional structure in place than an unchecked apartheid in place.

      • annie
        annie
        March 9, 2018, 3:12 pm

        zaisser, james doesn’t offer solutions. you’re barking up the wrong tree.

  15. JimMichie
    JimMichie
    March 8, 2018, 10:35 am

    A footnote to my previous comment:
    Mondoweiss and some other media do publish “show and tell” stories about some, but not all, of the daily horrors perpetrated by Zionist Israel in defenseless Palestine, when there is a dire and increasing need for repetitive editorials and statements of conviction and condemnation of Israel’s Zionist rule of Palestine.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      March 8, 2018, 3:55 pm

      “James”, try Kate’s “Today in Palestine” feature at Mondoweiss.

    • zaisser@yahoo.com
      [email protected]
      March 10, 2018, 4:57 am

      Annie…you could be right…but I just stumbled upon him for the first time, so am waiting to see what his responses will be…but not being a fool, I don’t wait forever

    • JimMichie
      JimMichie
      March 10, 2018, 2:38 pm

      “ . . a breaking of the evil-begetting silence of those in Israel and around the world who do believe in Judaism: “What is hateful to you, do not to your fellowmen. That is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary.” Talmud, Shabbat 31:a”. No, Zaisser, I do not, as you wrongly attributed to me, “think this is the only solution,” but I do think that it would be an excellent start.

      And then you go on to ask:

      “HOW is this going to happen, and what are YOU doing to help make it happen. I myself certainly regularly confront people (to the point that it has cost me relationships even with my siblilngs) by putting challenging historical information in front of American Jews . .”

      Let me be the first, Zaisser, to congratulate you for breaking your silence, while at the same time assuring you that I too, even as a “Gentile” and in spite of your obvious doubts, am spreading and voicing the truth regarding Zionism daily, on the internet, in letters to editors, shaming the New York Times and other media for their perpetual, transparent defense of indefensible Zionist Israel, and sharing this truth by word of mouth. I must point out, however, that I have been accused of anti-Semitism. But, as I am sure you know all too well, this label is most often used as the “defense” and smear offered by Zionists in the face of any criticism whatsoever. I am curious to know whether you have ever been called an anti-Semite.

      Ending your March 9 comment with, “It seems to me the two sides are deadlocked either way, and I’d rather have a constitutional structure in place than an unchecked apartheid in place,” permit me to remind you that Zionists want no part of a “constitution”, or they would have drafted and enacted one over the past 60 years. No, the accursed Zionists are bound and determined to remain as they are: brutal, ruthless, racist, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, fascist and terrorist to their “neighbors”, the Palestinians. And, by the way, Zaisser, you mis-quoted me in stating to me, “you throw a guesstimated number of Palestinian deaths that would happen in the wake of a sovereign one-state nation of Israelis and Palestinians.” It was a question to Ossinev on March 4: “Could the price/cost be one, 100, 1,000, 100,000, or more Palestinian lives snuffed out by the uniformed Zionist thugs before Palestinians can finally enjoy freedom, justice and equality in what was their homeland to begin with?”

      I will end this response with what I stated would be an excellent start to a “solution”: “. . and Zionists and Zionist sympathizers cringe at the thought of it: a breaking of the evil-begetting silence of those in Israel and around the world who do believe in Judaism: “What is hateful to you, do not to your fellowmen. That is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary.” Talmud, Shabbat 31:a.”

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        March 10, 2018, 11:35 pm

        James Michie,

        You make a very reasonable suggestion:

        I will end this response with what I stated would be an excellent start to a “solution”: “. . and Zionists and Zionist sympathizers cringe at the thought of it: a breaking of the evil-begetting silence of those in Israel and around the world who do believe in Judaism

        Let me propose a few additional details, which are not necessarily contributing to the discussion you intended to have:

        – It’s not mainly about people who believe in Judaism –those are only a small minority of the Zionist abomination’s tribal supporters. The founders and the majority of today’s supporters are racist (“Jewish by birth”) and irreligious.

        – The irreligious who continue to stick to stone-age tribalism by calling themselves “Jewish”, as well as the religious ones, when they oppose (some more, some less) Zionism, achieve nothing by protesting that Zionism criminally conflates Zionism, Judaism and Jewishness. That is correct but irrelevant as long as the overwhelming majority of the tribe is Zionist. Nobody will hear that protest, and even if people hear it they’ll know it’s irrelevant in the larger, statistical scheme of things.

        -These brave people may easily sign off from the tribe. Even some of the religious did that and they are respected. As for the non-religious, they should stop pretending to a “Jewishness” that is of interest to nobody. Every time a non-or-anti-Zionist “speaks as a Jew” people hear “as someone with family connections to the enemy”. Let them speak as plain humans or, whenever US behavior is concerned, as Americans.

        – When active anti-Zionists are a significant part of those who call themselves Jewish, then of course their protest will become believable.

  16. JimMichie
    JimMichie
    March 8, 2018, 5:46 pm

    Thank you, Mooser, and I would invite you to read what Zionist madman Benjamin Netanyahu proclaims is the future of the Palestinians:

    Netanyahu: Even in peace, the occupation will never end
    https://972mag.com/netanyahu-even-in-peace-the-occupation-will-never-end/133670/

    • zaisser@yahoo.com
      [email protected]
      March 10, 2018, 4:56 am

      did read this…but international political reality has a way of not letting one person’s, or one country’s vision, not control and determine things forever…we won’t be around ourselves in a hundred or two hundred years to see, but I don’t think this Zionist ‘vision’ will be either…one thing we might be around for is to see if any Palestinian leadership will actually acquiesce to a situation of an internationally recognized sovereignty that is a travesty of sovereignty, given the dangers to itself from the resistance from its own people…all of Arafat’s acquiescence in Oslo (“The Morning After”, Edward Said) notwithstanding, he still refused to sign on the bottom line at Clinton’s sham Camp David summit. An interesting question is HOW is Israel going to continue to deal with, over the decades, increasing international pressure, given increasingly horrible imagery resulting from its apartheid control over an increasing Palestinian majority denied equality in a de facto one state reality. We can see how it deals with it NOW, but things are only changing for the worse. I repeat, if you see a better way out of this, then please enlighten us. If you are just proposing that all Jews suddenly wake up and behave the opposite of how they are behaving now, you are proposing nothing but a pip dream. But as things continue to worsen from a human rights standpoint, we can expect more young Jews in the US to continue to peel off from monolithic unquestioning support for Israel. The latter is already happening. I try to peck away at these people, and their Gentile supporters, whenever I see an opportunity to do so. Check out my FB page. Any other constructive suggestions from you about how to do so, or what to do, would be welcome, but use a constructive tone and not a know-it-all arrogant tone.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        March 10, 2018, 9:26 am

        Zaisser,

        A lot of words, but all on a solid tribal foundation where all you can see is some voluntary giving in by genocidal fundamentalist fanatics. Also, all you can see in the States or “the West” is an insignificant portion of the population (which, right now, only counts because only money counts in favor of Zionism.)

        Things change in the world. Very often, forces that couldn’t make it at a given moment suddenly get to rule and impose a new situation. Invaded populations that manage to survive in part frequently get their own.

        It is totally idiotic to expect tribals, tied to Zionism by family, culture etc., even if a minute minority is now getting bored with Zionism, to be of any major significance in the direction of destroying Zionism. Jewish dollars only work in the other direction. Also, it is ridiculous to concentrate on tribals –even if all were opposing Zionism they’re only 2% of the population. Finally, only totally braindead people or criminals would expect the Zionists to even make a significant concession in the absence of overwhelming force.

        There are no elements as yet to predict if and how the ratio of forces will change, the Palestinian resistance will beat Zionist occupation and how the US may change course. One thing is sure, it’s the general American population we have to target. Not the Tribe and not the liberal tribe; any of them who want to join may also remember that they are part of the US population.

  17. JimMichie
    JimMichie
    March 10, 2018, 2:47 pm

    Thank you, echinococcus. Very well said. Thank you for bring clarity to this protracted discussion regarding the Zionist regime in control of both Palestine and Israel. Cheers!

  18. Jane Porter
    Jane Porter
    March 25, 2018, 1:14 pm

    A one-state solution? how?I notice that none of the supporters never talk main problems to implement such a project, and it is not mentioned in this piece either.They seem to look at it as a logical scenario for the future.

    What about the settlers? What about the Likoud, Beitnu etc.. completely supported by gouvernments of most countries, received with all honours in Europe, in US, even in India.
    All these countries making a lot’s of money with Israel.
    Shouldn’t first Israel get a completely new leadership, which seems not to exist at the moment.
    Also the Palestians should renew drastically their PA.
    how will they call this One-state new country? It should be Palestine of course, but…?
    It’ll have to through a very bloody fight for transition. Just look at the war of independence of Algeria. And it was a colonisation very similar to the the Israelian one.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      March 25, 2018, 3:06 pm

      Jane Porter,

      That was one of the very few, in fact almost non-existent, sane comments here. Thanks.

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