Trending Topics:

Democrats are losing their fear of AIPAC and Haim Saban

US Politics
on 45 Comments

Last night in Connecticut, Sarah Walsh of AIPAC told a Conservative synagogue audience that the lobby group is striving to ensure that support for Israel remains bipartisan, but there are more signs that progressive Democrats feel they are able to criticize Israeli policies.

First, Rebecca Vilkomerson of Jewish Voice for Peace says there’s been a reluctance even in the Democratic establishment to defend Israel during the Gaza slaughter. In an interview with the Real News, Vilkomerson said Trump’s embrace of Netanyahu has opened the door for formerly-silent Democrats to be critical of Israel. “There’s a willingness to look at Israel’s actions that maybe wasn’t possible when Obama was president.”

I think with the exception of [Chuck] Schumer, no Democrats have been defending Israel’s actions. In fact, quite a number, in fact over a dozen, have spoken out against what Israel has done over the course of the last six weeks. And you contrast that with 2014, when I think it was something like 78 senators signed a statement supporting the Gaza war. So there has been a shift in terms of Congress and who’s willing to speak out and being able to speak out, and that there’s enough backing from their own constituents to speak out that they’re not going to be punished by AIPAC or other organizations… [Aaron Mate points out that House whip Steny Hoyer has also given Israel a blank check] We have very very far to go. Also, not defending is very different from saying Stop, and there are lots of tools that the U.S. government has to stop Israel from what it’s doing and they’re using none of them.

Senator Bernie Sanders has obviously been a leader here. He has released videos about Gaza and condemned Israeli killings of unarmed protesters.

In May he organized that senators’  letter, which urged the Secretary of State to pressure Israel to ease the blockade on Gaza, to allow the movement of more goods and equipment and energy into the Strip, and people out of it, so as to relieve a humanitarian crisis. The letter was a “human rights” letter. It said nothing about Israel’s massacre of protesters, but said that the ongoing “deprivation and despair” in Gaza was fueling “extremist” groups and factionalism that could “incite violence against Israel” and could even “spark an uprising.”

The letter was openly critical of Israel. While saying that Hamas bears “significant responsibility for the deteriorating situation” due to its repression and corruption and “insistence on pursuing a violent struggle against Israel,” the letter also said, Israel’s “continuing control of Gaza’s air, sea and northern, southern and eastern borders, and its restrictions on the freedom of movement of people, legitimate goods and equipment in and out of Gaza, have made the humanitarian situation worse.”

Two days ago, the Intercept reported that Democratic megadonor Haim Saban lashed out against the 13 Senators in an arrogant, angry email. He talked down to the senators:

“Senators, for you to listen to Senator Sanders and accuse Israel of being the main culprit is outrageous, misinformed, offensive and shows a lack of understanding of the region’s basic fundamentals. Do your homework, unless you have chosen to blindly follow Senator Sander’s ill advised, misinformed, simplistic, and ignorant lead…

“Senator Sanders, if you want to opine on the region, then do your homework. And if you like, I would have a grand old time teaching you, as there is much for you to learn.”

Win Without War, a progressive coalition organization with establishment/church members, promptly tweeted its defiance of Saban:

These 12 senators deserve praise, not attacks, for listening to their constituents & doing what they believe is right. Billionaire mega donors shouldn’t be making U.S. foreign policy

Later Robert Naiman of Just Foreign Policy (a constituent of WWW), explained the significance of the moment in an email that was passed around (and Naiman allowed me to quote from). The center-left has been afraid of AIPAC and Haim Saban. Not any longer.
[The] willingness to criticize the Israeli government is becoming more mainstream in the Democratic Party, significantly thanks to Bernie, as well as the movement of public opinion among young people, that Bernie is helping to bring to light. WWW didn’t do I-P before. Now they feel comfortable doing something like this. Because they’re standing next to Bernie and a bunch of Democratic Senators. …
I was… jazzed about WWW’s willingness to slam Haim Saban. That was a taboo among Democrats before. That was a huge part of the unwillingness of Dems to speak out before, the fear of Haim Saban, not just the fear felt by Democratic elected officials, but the fear held by Democratic advocacy groups that don’t generally work on I-P but might speak up sometimes. There was always a kind of wall. Over here we have the progressive groups that do I-P. And otherwise we have a bunch of multi-issue progressive groups that do different things but won’t touch I-P, out of fear of AIPAC and Haim Saban. That dynamic is changing, and that is a big deal, people losing their fear of Haim Saban and AIPAC. MoveOn spoke up on Gaza. MoveOn never spoke up on I-P before.

Here’s that moveon.org petition, co-authored by Just Foreign Policy, circulated when Israel had only killed 36 at the border. The US should call on Israel to end the illegal siege.

So I’ll say it again. Things are stirring on the Democratic left.

H/t Electronic Intifada. And yes, Jim Zogby has said this before about AIPAC.

philweiss
About Philip Weiss

Philip Weiss is Founder and Co-Editor of Mondoweiss.net.

Other posts by .


Posted In:

45 Responses

  1. Kay24
    Kay24
    June 22, 2018, 4:01 pm

    Interesting article. Wealthy American Jews like Saban and Adelson, have done a huge disservice to Americans by using vast amounts of their wealth, to buy loyalty, and that unwavering support, for a nation that had pariah status long time ago. Congress went against American values, to make sure we patted Israel on it’s head, anytime it killed thousands of civilians, and gave them the aid, and the weapons, to enable them to keep the occupation, and land grabs going. Saban, Adelson, and their ilk, are unpatriotic to this country, and have put an alien country above their own. Could this sudden boldness by certain members of Congress continue, or will it fizzle out soon?
    America needs to distance itself from Israel, but I cannot see it happening soon.
    Right now Jared Kushner continues to please Netanyahu, and giving Israel all he can, including Jerusalem ( expensive gift from Adelson).

    • Sibiriak
      Sibiriak
      June 24, 2018, 1:13 am

      Kay24: Saban, Adelson, and their ilk, are unpatriotic to this country, and have put an alien country above their own.
      ——————————-

      Of course, all the non-Jewish millionaires and billionaires, with wealth vastly greater than all Jewish wealth combined–they don’t spend a penny to counteract Saban, Adelson et al. Are they equally unpatriotic for failing to come to the defense of their country?

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        June 24, 2018, 6:03 am

        Yes, in many ways they are. Also those in Congress and the media, who never dare to criticize the way the US keeps ignoring the plight of the Palestinians, and look away when they are killed, or pretend it was the zionists who had the right to “defend” themselves, are also enablers.

      • pabelmont
        pabelmont
        June 25, 2018, 8:38 pm

        Yes, all the non-Zionist Billionaires and CEOs of mega corporations have much to answer for, and Palestine — dear to our heats tho it is — is but one. Man-made climate disruption (aka Global warming) could have been defeated long ago if the big-money boys were patriotic and interested in anything but their own VERY SHORT TERM profits. (Of course, some big-money folks are disaster-entrepreneurs who seek to make money from the various disasters implicit in climate change and for that reason have no reason at all to fight climate change.)

    • Arby
      Arby
      June 24, 2018, 5:07 pm

      The American ruling class won’t distance itself from Israel, which important segments within that ruling class see as indispensable for its geopolitical goals. As Chomsky long ago noted, Israel is one of the US’s stationary aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean.

      The American people are another matter. But, being outside of power and privilege doesn’t automatically make you righteous. The Left goes on about a 99% and while that idea certainly has some utility, it’s not entirely representative of reality. It’s more like 1% of the 99%. The 98% is plugged into the ideology/propaganda matrix created for us by the Benefactors in power.

      I was always, and still am (with qualification), dismissive of those who talk about the tail (Israel) wagging the dog (the United States). But I have to say, stuff I’ve read recently has me seeing ‘the tail wagging the dog’ thing in a new light. There’s lots there to support the idea. Jeff Halper’s book, “War Against The People,” in which Jeff reveals a scary (literally) deep knowledge of Israel weaponry, provides a great deal of information that explains (as the first chapter of his book is titled) how Israel gets away with it. In a nutshell, This is Israel’s dark world. (It would make more sense to ask how Bolivia or Venezuela gets away with caring about its own citizens more than foreign investors.) This world doesn’t – yet – belong to un-modified (normal and peaceful) people. Jeff explains that even countries like China and India (why fascist India would care, anyway, I don’t know; timing of Jeff’s writing?), whose governments mouthed support for Palestinian human rights, do business with Israel and support it. Israel even managed to squeeze into Mercosur for gosh sake! Although, again, South America is returning to a continent of police states, as the American ruling class and capitalists everywhere require, which would make closeness to Israel – which is, and has been, there in the background – normal.

      Then there’s James Bamford’s astonishing book about the NSA. One chapter looks mainly at Israel, for good reason. The bugging equipment that is on the telecommunications infrastructure for the entire United States comes from two intelligence-connected – What isn’t intelligence-connected in militarized, fascist Israel? – namely Narus and Verint!

      Maybe some Democrats (who I will NEVER have any use for) are speaking out (if that’s what you call it) against Israel’s atrocities (which is better than nothing), losing their fear of AIPAC and people like Saban and Adelson. But there is, in fact, lots of reason for people – normal and ruined – to fear Israel. For its part, Israel, like the rest of this dark world, fears nothing and no one. And that’s fine. But its days are still numbered.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        June 25, 2018, 1:45 am

        Arby

        The American ruling class won’t distance itself from Israel, which important segments within that ruling class see as indispensable for its geopolitical goals…
        I was always, and still am (with qualification), dismissive of those who talk about the tail (Israel) wagging the dog (the United States).

        That always was an imperfect model to work with; it does not account for the observed events. The idea that Zionism is led and organized out of the Zionist entity doesn’t really make sense. It is more rational to see it as being organized and led out of the US, at least since 1945, by a significant or dominant part of the US ruling class, after having been certainly led by a a similarly significant / dominant part of the British ruling class from before the start of the 20th C. The goons occupying Palestine are just figureheads, ideology-besotten boobies and cannon fodder. They aren’t the owners.

    • Truthbug
      Truthbug
      June 24, 2018, 10:04 pm

      I can only wonder what’s to come, when the Zionists are no longer able to deceive the US and other Western powers about the real story behind Israel. How can Israel make up for all the suffering and damage it has done to Palestinians and their make-shift government? The entire US has been deceived about this for many decades, both Jews and non Jews. The masquerade cannot go on forever, and it seems to me that world Judaism and their friends need to start preparing for a possibly painful time when the chickens come home to roost. The earlier, the better. Of course Israelis will be the very last to prepare for such a change of paradigm, and the bulk of the Jewish community in the USA is probably in the best position to avert the worst kind of a backlash. So c’mon all you Jews out there, educate your fellow tribal members in Israel.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        June 25, 2018, 6:03 am

        US leaders have enabled Israel, by sending billions of dollars, and the weapons that are used against unarmed civilians. There is no way they don’t know that Israel is pretending to be the victim of occupied people. Surely, they are not that stupid. The US could have easily ended the occupation, long time ago, by threatening to stop all aid and weapons going to the occupier, but they pretend to believe the excuses, even when unarmed women and children are massacred. Israel’s master plan has worked, between AIPAC and the controlled media, the American people have been made to look at Israel as the long suffering victim.

  2. Keith
    Keith
    June 22, 2018, 4:27 pm

    PHIL- “So I’ll say it again. Things are stirring on the Democratic left.”

    You can be so funny at times. The only reason that things are “stirring” on the Democratic left is because of the bromance between Trump and Netanyahu. If Hillary Clinton was President, the US would support Israel on Gaza and the “Democratic left” would be sitting on their hands, and that includes Bernie Sanders. Bernie is in full sheep dog mode in preparation for the midterm elections. Bernie is the tired old bone the Dems are throwing to the delusional Democratic left. So Bernie gets a pass to run off at the mouth, send a letter, and pretend to defy Haim Saban. In other words business as usual. Hey, you are not alone. Norman Finkelstein is such a Bernie groupie it is embarrassing.

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      June 22, 2018, 8:03 pm

      Bernie is a Flanker.
      Dominant parties often use this maneuver to protect an established candidate from 3rd parties who are trying to lure voters away. A flanker sells the impression of real change (populist) but, since he is owned by the dominant party, he poses no threat.
      People wonder why Bernie threw in the towel before the convention.
      It was the plan all along.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        June 22, 2018, 10:40 pm

        Thanks for reminding me of the term. Dixon introduced a newer one, even more descriptive: sheepdog.

    • Rob Roy
      Rob Roy
      June 24, 2018, 1:57 am

      Keith, please don’t put Bernie in the same category as Norman Finkelstein. They are miles apart. Bernie has a weak streak that Norman most certainly does not.

      • Arby
        Arby
        June 25, 2018, 9:58 pm

        Agreed. To say the least.

  3. JWalters
    JWalters
    June 22, 2018, 7:39 pm

    “Things are stirring on the Democratic left.”

    I’m hearing the initial rumbling of an avalanche. There are so many lies to come crashing down.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      June 23, 2018, 11:03 am

      @JWalters, et al

      Zionism is rotting within** and the entity known as “Israel” is increasingly being criticized and abandoned by enlightened Jews and non-Jews around the world, especially and most importantly, youth. Its brutal history, accelerating violations of international law and current slaughter of defenseless long suffering imprisoned indigenous Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and elsewhere together with the unholy alliance between Netanyahu, Trump, and billionaire Sheldon Adelson (along with the Democrats’ Zionist billionaire, Haim Saban) are fueling Americans’ growing disgust and rage.

      **
      NEWSWEEK – 5/10/18
      “More Israelis are moving to the U.S.—and staying for good”
      “Spurred by the high cost of living, low salaries, and political and demographic trends, Israelis are leaving the country in droves.” By Yardena Schwartz

      EXCERPTS:
      “…the country is grappling with an existential crisis—one that doesn’t involve Iranian nukes or Palestinian protests. Spurred by the high cost of living, low salaries, and political and demographic trends, Israelis are leaving the country in droves, trying to build their lives elsewhere, mostly in the United States. Many of these young Israelis are moving to big cities, and yet, even in these often expensive places, they see more opportunities to advance.”

      “The available data is telling, analysts say. Between 2006 and 2016, more than 87,000 Israelis became U.S. citizens or legalized permanent residents, according to the most recent data from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. That’s up from 66,000 between 1995 and 2005. These figures take into account only those who took the legal route (many Israelis, analysts say, arrive on temporary tourist, student or work visas, then stay). And in addition to the Israelis now living stateside, according to the country’s Ministry of Immigrant Absorption, hundreds of thousands have moved to Europe, Canada and elsewhere.”

      “Israel has one of the highest poverty rates and levels of income inequality in the Western world. It also has one of the highest costs of living. Tel Aviv ranks ninth among the world’s most expensive cities, higher than New York and Los Angeles; five years ago, it ranked 34th. The situation is so dire that a 2013 survey by the financial newspaper Calcalist (the most recent Israeli study conducted on this topic) found that 87 percent of adults—many with children of their own—depend on substantial financial support from their parents.” (NEWSWEEK – 5/10/18)

      It’s only a matter of time.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        June 24, 2018, 9:01 am

        Israel is getting boycotted more than ever. In the sports and music arenas, in colleges, in the educational fields, by churches, by professionals, by scholars, and through the business channels.
        Let us not forget Israeli products.
        It must be beginning to hurt. Here they can feel just how their crimes are despised.

        I love the Celtics fans.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnv95ksbEFQ

  4. MHughes976
    MHughes976
    June 23, 2018, 7:12 am

    Something is indeed stirring, as the much analysed Pew and Gallup polls on support for Israel showed. But it still looks to me like an extremely uphill struggle for the stirrers, with no significant gains within the political class as yet. In the UK Corbyn is setting very severe limits on critique of Israel from his part of the spectrum.

  5. Citizen
    Citizen
    June 23, 2018, 7:30 am

    I will believe something serious is afoot when Chris Matthews talks live, and in substantial detail, on his show about the subject matter discussed here. Remember the gavel denial on primetime tv of the progressive Jerusalem plank in the Democratic Party platform?

    • Jasonius Maximus
      Jasonius Maximus
      June 24, 2018, 12:00 pm

      Chris Matthews is hands down one of the most critical news anchors of Israel and Netanyahu in particular! The guy can barely contain his disgust and disdain for both when the subject comes up.

      I will believe something serious is afoot when Rachelle Maddow says something even vaguely critical of Israel. Heck, I’d settle for her daring to say ANYTHNG about topic in any kind at all at this stage!

      I really like her show, but the lengths she seems to go to personally avoid even mentioning Israel (even in passing) on her show are utterly extraordinary! She even went so far as to have a fill-in cover the mass murder Gazans, week’s after the worst of it. She completely failed to mention even a word about the US Embassy move, which is easily one of the most controversial foreign policy actions in over a decade! Joy Reid filled in for her that night. Not peep about US pulling out of the UN Human Right Counsel during one of the most egregious weeks of US Human Rights issues in recent history, not because of children in internment camps, but ONLY because of Israel! Which, given her track record and modus operandi when is comes to Israel, is probably the very reason she didn’t bother to mention it. Maybe she’ll have Ari Melber step in next week and spare her the embarrassment… but I not going to hold my breath.

  6. June 23, 2018, 11:27 am

    Once the money is out of US politics things will change – until then pro Zionist policies will continue to be bought and implemented.

    Bernie Sanders is a confirmed Zionist who promotes Zionism and has done so in his efforts and the efforts of the Dem party to co-op the progressive movement – the one movement on the left that harbours anti Zionist and pro BDS sentiments because it promotes universal human rights.

    American liberal zionists like Sanders (who benefit from and enjoy equality with all races, religions, genders in America) do much more harm than good by taking the edge off of a racist ideology rather than sincerely and objectively critiquing Zionism for what it truly is – racism that has cost the lives of so many and continues to destroy a whole indigenous people.

    At some point Sanders will be made aware of how out of touch he is with progressives on this issue. A 2SS (which Sanders endorses) that includes a Zionist Israel that favours Jews over Christians and Muslims is unacceptable as is a Palestinian state that favours Christians and Muslims over Jews. Why would any decent person promote such ideas when other more just ideas are available and viable?

    Zionism = Racism.

    There can never be justice for the Palestinians while Zionism is allowed to continue on as an acceptable ideology. Liberal Zionists like Sanders are either frauds or daft. Either way, imo, they shouldnt be elected.

    Never again means never again – and for good reason – they may be coming for you and your kind next.

    https://www.jpost.com//Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Particularly-important-for-progressives-to-embrace-Zionism-Bernie-Sanders-says-482778

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      June 23, 2018, 12:38 pm

      Zionism is too fixed an ideology to survive. Reality shows that it is deluded. The gap between Hillel and Bennett is a chasm.
      So Zionism has to go. 2 options. Gently or in a cataclysm.

  7. echinococcus
    echinococcus
    June 23, 2018, 12:19 pm

    “Democrats are losing their fear of AIPAC and Haim Saban”

    Which “Democrats”?
    You’re talking about some of the lowly peons of the Dim party.
    Not its owners, who are, among others, AIPAC and Saban. Not about the owners’ flunkeys, who among others include warmonger Sanders and similar mountebanks.

    Aside from a lot of hullabaloo, agitation and electoral shepherding, there has not been one single occurrence of anything happening with that Democrat”ic” Party that is not explicitly authorized by the Owners of the Country (inter alia AIPAC and Saban.) To avoid long discussion, start in 1945. Give me one example of any of the many progressive or “progressive” requests aiming to stop imperialist aggression, or to implement any progress like public healthcare (let’s not waste time trying to enumerate the domestic policy stuff) getting passed against a the Owners’ veto.

    That Party is the main administrative organ of US imperialism. One can understand Weiss trying to sell its inner rumblings, which are nothing but marketing for the hopeful and naive, who will join or stay because of that hope and get bogged down forever supporting their enemies. After all, Weiss himself was carried away as far as even supporting the rape of Libya.

    Always a good thing to try and explain things to the peons in either the Democrat or the Republican parties; lots of decent people there. But these people won’t get anywhere staying in it and they won’t achieve anything through it.

    • June 23, 2018, 5:38 pm

      “After all, Weiss himself was carried away as far as even supporting the rape of Libya.”

      Say it ain’t so Phil

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        June 23, 2018, 7:33 pm

        “Say it ain’t so Phil”

        Hows about “echin” substantiates his contention, before we pack Phil off to Siberia.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        June 23, 2018, 9:22 pm

        Mooser,

        You are the the search whiz kid here. Not me.
        And yet, I only had to type a single word and the page came up with a number of posts, below, that I remember perfectly well.

        Now please do your job and complete that list with a thorough search for documentation, if you want to be thorough (I don’t.) I’m not good at searches anyway.

        No intention of making it into a big deal, because I know that we have to get into distasteful alliances; such is the nature of the beast. That is why I regularly object to Democrat and interventionist propaganda on this, Palestine-focused site.
        Not a problem though, as long as each of us (not only the Zionists) keep our free speech (hard in the teeth of our whimsy moderators, but still OK.)

        Here the links:

        http://mondoweiss.net/2011/03/theres-no-such-thing-as-a-situational-war-two-leftwingers-argue-over-libya/

        http://mondoweiss.net/2011/08/exulting-over-libya/

        http://mondoweiss.net/2011/08/libyan-triumph-exposes-the-wests-double-standard-for-palestine/

        http://mondoweiss.net/2011/08/libyan-triumph-exposes-the-wests-double-standard-for-palestine/

        http://mondoweiss.net/2011/08/libyan-triumph-exposes-the-wests-double-standard-for-palestine/

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        June 23, 2018, 10:06 pm

        I will admit that I got a bit carried away with the idea that Libya was going to become a democracy. Phil will have a bit of company. He’ll be able to learn the finer points of comma usage.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        June 24, 2018, 12:25 am

        Ouch. Weiss seems to be an easy-going, tolerant fellow who accepts critique like a gentleman, even when it riles him. But he is an American journalist by training and temperament. I suspect there may be a red line, to use a fashionable phrase, about being lectured on correct writing. Jus’ sayin’.

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        June 24, 2018, 1:04 am

        Libya “Before And After” Photos Go Viral

        https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-12/libya-and-after-photos-go-viral

        A Debate on U.S. Military Intervention in Libya: Juan Cole v. Vijay Prashad [March 29, 2011]

        https://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/29/a_debate_on_us_military_intervention

        Trying ‘Shock and Awe’ in Libya [April 27, 2011 ]

        http://www.consortiumnews.com/2011/042711.html

        UK Parliament Report on the Libyan intervention (role of France, UK, US)
        https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmfaff/119/11905.htm#_idTextAnchor015

        Why Did the U.S. and Its Allies Bomb Libya? Corruption Case Against Sarkozy Sheds New Light on Ousting of Gaddafi.

        https://theintercept.com/2018/04/28/sarkozy-gaddafi-libya-bombing/

      • Rob Roy
        Rob Roy
        June 24, 2018, 2:19 am

        Hard for me to believe someone as smart as Phil Weiss would support another illegal attack on a sovereign country by the horrible USA in it’s hegemonic madness. Barack Obama was as weak as ever in allowing the war monger Hillary Clinton to do again what she’s done before. Wonder if Phil knew that Libya was a stable country, prosperous, was steadily building schools and infrastructure. Boy and girls went to school together and were treated equally. Health care and education free for all. Gees, the US can’t even pull that off.
        The US has the same problem Israel has: arrogance that comes from knowing they are “exceptional” and “superior” to all others on earth. Israel goes so far as to claim they are god’s chosen people. If there were a god, do you think it would choose Israeli Jews as the ultimate symbol of man’s perfection? I think not.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        June 24, 2018, 3:14 am

        Sibiriak,

        Thanks for the quotes (although I felt like puking watching CIA Cole.) I don’t think it’s worth anyone’s time to reopen this discussion here and now, as I had only alluded to it to illustrate how easily Democrats, even in the case of basically decent persons who support the Palestinians, can be maneuvered to support US/rael Murder Inc. elsewhere.
        That was all; looks like Mooser had to ignore the fact, hence the continued correspondence.

        We can safely assume (or can we?) that the lesson of these last years has been learnt at good last and that no one in his right mind, except Zionist shits including Neocons, would any longer approve any intervention ever and at all against sovereign nations, period. And hope that the non-Z Democrats in this group do now dissociate from their owners’ colossal hanging crimes in Syria and other parts, and realize the huge dissonance between supporting US aggression elsewhere while supporting Palestinian resistance. So let’s lay it to rest and discuss it on other fora. Please.

      • annie
        annie
        June 24, 2018, 4:10 am

        I don’t think it’s worth anyone’s time to reopen this discussion here and now, as I had only alluded to it … So let’s lay it to rest and discuss it on other fora. Please.

        our master of ceremonies has established a list, an assignment so to speak, above. all of them are to mondoweiss articles and any diversion of this list is not advised. keith, who are you making another list? please! Lhunter, the sheer audacity i cherry picking that one line that threatens to derail the inquiry at hand!

        myself, i got very distracted opening those libya links! i had not been following the sarkozy scandal. AMAZING.. murder and intrigue. france’s mediapart has been on this lie flies on sh*t. https://www.mediapart.fr/en/journal/france/270916/revealed-2007-notebook-detailed-sarkozys-libyan-election-funding?onglet=full

        anyway, back to the preordained track according to our master of ceremonies.

        You are the the search whiz kid here. Not me.

        clearly. as for your opening line of questioning,

        Which “Democrats”?
        You’re talking about some of the lowly peons

        oddly enough, when searching for signs of Dem’s losing their fear of AIPAC and Haim Saban, it’s worthwhile checking out the lowly peons (otherwise known as the masses) because, while an uninformed public doesn’t pose much of the threat, an informed public can and does often play a role in how public actors act. now echi, knowing you’re searched challenged, i’d urge you to start your quest by reading the opening and paragraph, specifically open the link provided. phil doesn’t allude hyman is in the lead, that’s not what is important. what’s important is The would-be congressman’s sangfroid is surely a sign of things to come in the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. and i agree. furthermore, hyman’s medium article “Likudism Is Not Judaism” reads like something you could read here: https://medium.com/@contact_86563/likudism-is-not-judaism-8500a203615

        The US media ran unprecedented criticism of Israel’s militarism, as well as condemnation from many senior political figures. It seems that while America’s conscience was reawakening to the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza, members of the House and Senate responded by introducing the The Anti-Semitism Awareness Act of 2018

        that’s just one example. there are others in the embed, if you’d take the time to open and read. also, in the article above:

        with the exception of [Chuck] Schumer, no Democrats have been defending Israel’s actions. In fact, quite a number, in fact over a dozen, have spoken out against what Israel has done over the course of the last six weeks. And you contrast that with 2014, when I think it was something like 78 senators signed a statement supporting the Gaza war.

        so you want to know which democrats? what you refer to as the “lowly peons”, would probably be the same lowly peons that prevented clinton from clinching the nomination. ordinary people.

        boring! and hell yes let’s talk about libya.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        June 24, 2018, 6:17 am

        Annie,

        Stubbornly ignoring the point I’m trying to make, viz. there’s not the chance of a snowball in hell, the Democrat Party being the main management organ of US imperialism, that it ever will do anything, as party at any level, that is not planned, prepared and approved by its owners. Anyone in there other than the owners and their flunkeys is stuck working against his own interests, with increasingly diminishing chances of pulling oneself out, too. Which you also know. So don’t try to tell me fairy tales about membership shooing away the owners. These things don’t happen, period.
        Because, simply put, it’s a class thing. That party is there for the sole purpose of advancing the interests of the Owners od the Country.

        Proof of the pudding: any example to contradict this in the last 70 years, please. Lots of wunderkind guys came and went, all sheepdogs.

        As for the kind of stirrings observed now, they are observed at any time during the last umpteen years, on and off. This doesn’t mean that things don’t change. They change and how, but not inside that ” party” and before people start to get out… Those who prevented the Harpy from clinching the nomination are those who got out or never got in. Not the Democrats, not the Sanders-sheeple.
        All the rest is blah.

        And it has nothing to do with mastering ceremonies. If you rate a right to your opinion so do I.

      • annie
        annie
        June 24, 2018, 11:44 am

        you also know. So don’t try to tell me fairy tales … That party is there for the sole purpose of advancing the interests of the Owners od the Country.

        all that handwringing about israel’s bipartisan appeal, by all means ignore it.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        June 24, 2018, 12:53 pm

        “our master of ceremonies”

        And his principles are consistent. He’s a regular Marxist.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        June 24, 2018, 1:44 pm

        “Appeal”? Irrelevant BS. Appeal doesn’t play a role for the single party system, ownership does.

      • annie
        annie
        June 24, 2018, 10:13 pm

        no doubt that’s why they keep bitchin’ about it, because, like bds, it’s so irrelevant bs. https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Post-election-divide-in-US-makes-it-harder-to-keep-Israel-bipartisan-488964

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        June 24, 2018, 11:05 pm

        Annie

        Two factors for the current mood among Democrats:
        1. As Keith observed, “The only reason that things are “stirring” on the Democratic left is because of the bromance between Trump and Netanyahu. If Hillary Clinton was President, the US would support Israel on Gaza and the “Democratic left” would be sitting on their hands, and that includes Bernie Sanders.” No question about it, Dims incuding “left” are so tightly allied to WWIII proponents, neocons and CIA now that their temporary quasi-distaste for the Zio entity is dissonant.

        2. There is the seasonal variation, too, right now, as every time the genocide of Palestinians is significantly accelerated (even Sanders had to register some fake disapproval in 14 and also now… But this is just usual, Democrat party people always get back in line when any significant vote is on. Only those who leave are free to become free human beings. That is the nature of parties, they cannot represent more than one social class at the same time –but people inside can bullshit all the time when it’s w/o consequence.

      • annie
        annie
        June 25, 2018, 12:45 am

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      June 24, 2018, 10:10 am

      I notice when I make critical posts about NPR being in the tank for AIPAC, and Israel…about half the posts never show up.
      NPR is a cheerleader.
      I understand it is hard for well-meaning, left-thinking people to accept this.
      The first step is to get off your knees and realize NPR is just a salesman standing on your porch.

  8. Marnie
    Marnie
    June 23, 2018, 3:08 pm

    All the articles printed on MW about violence against palestinians, the ongoing occupation and america’s complicity with it are staggering. A few democrats finally speak up against the actions against protestors in Gaza and it makes a headline? Until u.s. senators demand direct action against the israeli government with sanctions and everything possible, this is nothing but clickbait. I’m sorry Phil, maybe you see something else but I believe there is no there, there.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      June 23, 2018, 9:32 pm

      Marnie,

      Not such a big deal. After all, Weiss has very frequently been announcing the dawn of American Jewish/Liberal/Democrat revolution quite frequently, as long as I can remember this site. The important thing to note, though, is that he is quite open to learning and evolving his opinions.

  9. Kay24
    Kay24
    June 24, 2018, 8:48 am

    Do the Evangelicals know that perhaps the Jews will not welcome Jesus, when he “lands” in Jerusalem? Do they realize they are being used as tools to get Jerusalem, aid and weapons from the US, and the unwavering support that Evangelicals shower on them?
    If they genuinely cared about Christians, the zionists will not be treating Churches this way:

    “Three major Holy Land churches implored Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday to prevent the advancement of a draft bill they said was aimed at expropriating their lands.

    Heads of the Armenian, Greek Orthodox and Catholic churches in Jerusalem also accused the Israeli authorities of failing to keep a committment made just a few months ago that brought an end to a major crisis between the sides.

    In February, the Jerusalem municipality began enforcing tax collection on church property, while separately lawmakers in the parliament worked on advancing a law that would allow expropriation of church property.”

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/holy-land-churches-cry-foul-over-israeli-legislation-171637242.html?.tsrc=fauxdal

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      June 24, 2018, 6:53 pm

      “Do the Evangelicals know that perhaps the Jews will not welcome Jesus, when he “lands” in Jerusalem? ”

      If they actually read their Bibles they will know he met a mixed response last time.

  10. Marshalldoc
    Marshalldoc
    June 24, 2018, 4:00 pm

    Much ado about too damn little, too late methinks. Predicting a new day from the depths of a very dark night.

  11. stevelaudig
    stevelaudig
    June 24, 2018, 8:01 pm

    Rome rules the world. Augustus rules Rome but Livia rules Augustus. You can do the substitutions.

Leave a Reply