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Isaac Herzog is the outgoing leader of the Israeli political “left,” the Zionist Camp coalition, and the new chairman of the Jewish Agency for Israel, which seeks to strengthen bonds between Jews worldwide. In an interview on Israeli TV (for which David Sheen provided translation), he describes intermarriage between American Jews and non-Jews as a “plague” for which he seeks to find a “solution”.

“I’ll tell you a personal story. Last summer I traveled [with my wife] to the USA for a vacation. I graduated from a Jewish school in New York. And we went to meet friends. I have a ton of friends in the U.S.A. And I encountered something that I called an actual plague. I saw my friends’ children married or coupled with non-Jewish partners! And the parents beat their breasts and ask questions, and are suffering. Listen, it’s every [Jewish] family in the U.S.A.! And we are talking about millions. And I said there must be a campaign, a solution. We have to rack our brains to figure out how to solve this great challenge.

Herzog is an expert on love. He has warned that his party must not be seen as “Arab-lovers.”

The intermarriage rate among American Jews is 58 percent, but 71 percent among the non-Orthodox.

The young are making these choices voluntarily. Herzog’s breast-beating, suffering friends are surely in the more traditional, religiously-identified Jewish community. Herzog attended the Ramaz school in New York when his father served here as an Israeli diplomat. He went on to Cornell and NYU. Among less-strongly-identified U.S. Jews, there is wide acceptance of intermarriage, because Jews are mixing freely with non-Jews at schools and jobs, and in neighborhoods.

Herzog is a regular at J Street, the liberal Zionist pro-Israel lobby group; and

His anti-intermarriage stance is shared within the Zionist community: notably by Dennis Ross, former White House negotiator who co-chairs the Jewish People Policy Institute.

H/t Jonathan Ofir.

 

 

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  1. eljay
    June 25, 2018, 10:29 am

    Isaac Herzog is … the new head of the Jewish Agency for Israel, which seeks to strengthen bonds between Jews worldwide. In an interview on Israeli TV … he describes intermarriage between American Jews and non-Jews as a “plague” for which he seeks to find a “solution”.

    “I’ll tell you a personal story. Last summer I traveled [with my wife] to the USA for a vacation. I graduated from a Jewish school in New York. And we went to meet friends. I have a ton of friends in the U.S.A. And I encountered something that I called an actual plague. I saw my friends’ children married or coupled with non-Jewish partners! And the parents beat their breasts and ask questions, and are suffering. Listen, it’s every [Jewish] family in the U.S.A.! And we are talking about millions. And I said there must be a campaign, a solution. We have to rack our brains to figure out how to solve this great challenge.

    It must be terrible to be a supremacist and to know that so many of your people willingly defile themselves with lesser beings.  :-(

    • Mooser
      June 25, 2018, 12:27 pm

      “We have to rack our brains to figure out how to solve this great challenge. …”

      Oh, please, it’s simple. You simply make marrying ‘correctly’ a condition of inheritance. You marry out, it all goes to JNF. Name an executor who will see to that. Maybe JNF will take care of it. Or do the same thing with Zionism. C’mon, are we serious about this stuff, or not?

    • inbound39
      June 25, 2018, 7:35 pm

      Herzog should encourage non jewish partners for Israeli’s. By marrying into their own group they are simply compounding the dysfunction and insanity caused by those affected by the Holocaust and who were left untreated on their release from the German camps. It is clearly visible that every generation gets more and more racist and violent. Marrying someone outside of their group offers some chance of sane genes entering the bloodline.

  2. Marnie
    June 25, 2018, 10:58 am

    From the picture he looks like he’s really hurting himself to find the solution. Someone should tell him it’s only a religion. There are a lot of wonderful people in the world who aren’t jewish and are awesome. There are people who are jewish but not zionists and they are awesome. What does it mean to be a jew anyway? To hold one’s nose with one hand and tithe to the zionist state with the other or to look at it head on and say it stinks, it doesn’t represent anything I can identify with and if you can’t understand that, I’m burning my membership card but FFS quit crying about it and do the right thing for once.

    • Mooser
      June 25, 2018, 1:06 pm

      Jewish ‘out-marriage’ is a lot like the weather in Mexico. Everybody talks about it, but nobody does anything about it.

    • druid
      June 26, 2018, 11:40 am

      For Phariseic Talmudist, it’s not only a religion!

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2018, 2:12 pm

        “For Phariseic Talmudist, it’s not only a religion!”

        Those Talnudists are powerful. They can change the weather, make it chili today and hot tamale.

  3. Nicholas
    June 25, 2018, 11:26 am

    “Solution”?

    That terminology sounds vaguely familiar. Does it mean the same things in Hebrew as it did in German?

    • druid
      June 26, 2018, 11:42 am

      The term Final Solution was coined by Zionists in Europe pre-war to find a home for Jews, not a German invention. And it has been vastly misinterpreted.

      • jon s
        June 27, 2018, 3:51 am

        The Nazis used the term “Final Solution” at the Wannsee conference, which is why it’s sometimes referred to as the Final Solution Conference.
        I don’t know what you mean by “misinterpreted”.

  4. Kay24
    June 25, 2018, 11:26 am

    Herr Herzog represents a vast number of Jewish people in Israel, who thinks they are the master race, and everyone else is beneath them.

    Thankfully, the vast majority of Jewish Americans, are better than that.
    I personally know some Jewish folks who married Christians, Catholics, Buddhists, and even Muslims. Everyone seems to be happy.

    • Arby
      June 25, 2018, 10:13 pm

      I’m happy that the intermarriage thing makes the marriage partners happy. But, There’s a problem here. If someone takes his religion seriously, casually embracing another religion isn’t something that that can be done without consequences (which those who don’t believe in God and his standards may choose to disagree with). You ‘believe’ but ‘So what?’ Those who don’t sincerely believe in the religion that they find themselves tethered to (usually because they have been born into a family who adheres to that particular religion) need to quit the religion if they don’t genuinely support it. Principled people would approach that situation that way, in my view.

      I’m religious. But I have zero use for organized religion (all denominations). It’s all going to burn and that’s because it’s all against God. It’s worse than wrong.

    • genesto
      June 26, 2018, 12:08 pm

      Including me, Arab American, and my Jewish wife, Jan.

  5. lonely rico
    June 25, 2018, 11:34 am

    I wonder how Isaac Herzog would re-act to his non-Jewish American friends, facing a “plague” of their children increasingly marrying Jews?
    What consolation would he have brought the suffering gentile parents as they asked questions and beat their breasts.
    Millions of gentile families, their children marrying Jews!
    It is to shudder.

    Herzog might have suggested a campaign, a solution to this great challenge –
    To protect the gentiles, move ALL the Jews to their “homeland”, encircle it with a very high wall, thereby protecting young non-Jewish Americans from this terrible disease.

  6. Paranam Kid
    June 25, 2018, 12:12 pm

    There is 1 thing I have never understood: what is so terrible about intermarriage?
    Let’s assume that all the Jews in the world married a non-Jewish partner, and that their children do the same, and their children too, etc. Eventually the Jews as an ethnic group would cease to exist. So what?

    Judaism, the religion, would also suffer, but would more than likely not disappear because some people, whatever their ethnic group, political, sexual or other orientation, are always in search of the spiritual. So Judaism would become a religion only, not linked to 1 particular ethnic group. So what?

    Maybe I am missing something essential here but no Jew I talked to was able to explain it to me in a coherent, logical argument

    In fact, it seems to me that the ethnic angle is the bulk of the problem between Israelis and Palestinians, religion is the smaller part of it.

    • Maghlawatan
      June 25, 2018, 12:21 pm

      Jewish officialdom is like Parsi officialdom. They retain their otherness by ruthlessly expelling anyone who marries out. It is a medieval strategy that doesn’t recognise the modern job market and its role in people getting together. The Parsis have huge problems with this issue too.

      • echinococcus
        June 25, 2018, 12:58 pm

        Watan,

        The Parsee issue is one of religion, not race as in the case of this (irreligious) tribals. Then, the intermarrying Jews’ household is more often than not loyal to Zionism. Not at all like Parsees because there are a good number of rabid Zionists with Goy spouses. But then, they send their kids to Zio-military summer camps.

      • Maghlawatan
        June 25, 2018, 6:13 pm

        Echi

        If your mother is not Jewish the religious won’t recognise you as Jewish. It is exactly the same as the Paris thing . How to be x in the modern world. How to boost continuity.

      • echinococcus
        June 26, 2018, 4:43 am

        Maghlawatan,

        Don’t insist in missing the crux: Religious Jews qua religious are insignificant. Zionists are the danger. Non-religious (to me, non-Jewish) Zionists do intermarry (=miscegenate) AND too often force the spouse and kids to support Zionism AND enroll kids as Zoldiers (no matter if it’s Daddy who is biologically Jewish, hence the kids non-Kosher.)
        Of course this is not a scientific study but my own observations on an insufficient and necessarily non-random sample of couple hundred cases are not conducive to optimism.

        Parsees have nothing similar to Zionism. Theirs being a biological descent religion (just as Judaism) but the conquest and genocide side being scandalously non-existent (even in their sacred books, I believe), they have no percentage in recruiting or begetting goy soldiers and spies.

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2018, 1:51 pm

        “It is a medieval strategy that doesn’t recognise the modern job market”

        Isn’t that the point? Pick the right person to marry, and you don’t need to worry about the job market.

    • echinococcus
      June 25, 2018, 12:32 pm

      “Ethnic” nothing. These people are quite secular, not religious. Then, “ethnically” they are OK with their Ukrainian-origin American kid (with no ‘ethnic’ markers left but strictly American) marrying a Central Asian, an Iraqi or a Spaniard with culture and customs wildly different from theirs –but not a fellow American from the same neighborhood.
      That’s not “ethnic”; it’s 1000% racist, period.

      • Paranam Kid
        June 26, 2018, 8:27 am

        @echinococcus; precisely. Jewish ethnicity is a joke, it does not exist, only the religion is real. Nevertheless, they claim ethnicity when it suits them, and reject it when it gets in the way.

        Any claim to ethnicity is 1000% racist, you are right.

    • eljay
      June 25, 2018, 12:41 pm

      || Paranam Kid: There is 1 thing I have never understood: what is so terrible about intermarriage? … ||

      There’s nothing terrible about intermarriage. As far as “Jewish” is concerned, as long as people continue…
      – to choose freely to undergo a religious conversion to Judaism; or
      – to be descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism,
      …the religion-based identity of Jewish will continue to exist.

      If that identity ceases to exist because no-one is interested in maintaining it, it disappears. There’s nothing shameful or criminal or cataclysmic or even anti-Semitic about it, regardless of what Jewish supremacists (Zionists) think.

      • inbound39
        June 25, 2018, 7:50 pm

        Exactly…..If the Jewish Religion offers good things it will attract more people. What the Israeli Jews offer not many people want and those who want it are likely just as sick as most Israeli’s.

      • Marnie
        June 26, 2018, 6:28 am

        Well, the israeli version of judaism is a 2-fer – zionism and some judaism thrown in. You can be a zionist and an atheist, as many here are, but you can’t be jewish and not a zionist, they are making no distinction between the 2 but of course if you refuse to accept zionism, spit on it, hate it and fight against it because it goes against humanity and judaism, well, they got an answer for that too. You are:
        1) A self-hating jew.
        2) Not a ‘real’ jew.
        3) An enemy of the state and the zionist people.

      • Paranam Kid
        June 26, 2018, 8:23 am

        @eljay: I agree that there is nothing shameful about it, so why are the Jews so keen on preserving their ‘ethnicity’? Their ‘ethnicity’ is a joke anyway because through intermarriages so may other ethnicities have got mixed in over the centuries that their pure-bloodedness is non-existent.

        From their point of view I can understand they want to preserve their religion (not from my point of view since I am an atheist) since it is part of their history, their ‘root’, their culture. But to maintain the blood pure is strongly reminiscent of another group that tried to do that somewhere in Western Europe some 0.75 centuries ago.

      • Paranam Kid
        June 26, 2018, 8:24 am

        @inbound39: not what the Israeli Jews offer, but what the Zionists offer.

    • Mooser
      June 25, 2018, 12:51 pm

      “Maybe I am missing something essential here but no Jew I talked to was able to explain it to me in a coherent, logical argument”

      Oh, that’s easy! By marrying only other authentic Jews, we concentrate our genes in our offspring. Instead of diluting them.

      • Mooser
        June 25, 2018, 4:17 pm

        From the link, It’s the headline you see when you hit the page:

        “Couples with any Jewish ancestry, including interfaith and multi-ethnic couples should have a carrier screening for Jewish genetic diseases.

        “Jewish genetic diseases”? I thought my human capital was rated AAA!

      • Paranam Kid
        June 26, 2018, 8:18 am

        @Mooser: leaving sarcasm aside, my point is exactly that: what is so important in preserving the gene pool?

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2018, 1:41 pm

        ” what is so important in preserving the gene pool?”

        As long as they put up a sign “No Diving! And don’t go in over your knees.”

    • Nathan
      June 25, 2018, 10:31 pm

      Paranam Kid – It’s not really so difficult to understand what someone else might have against intermarriage. The trick in understanding the issue is accepting the fact that others see the world very differently than you. You dismiss with a “so what” the possibility of the disappearance of an ethnic group. Well, as hard as this might be to understand, there are people out there in the world who don’t share your judgment of what’s important. Some people feel that the disappearance of a distinct culture or language or identity makes the world a poorer place.

      It’s also important to take notice of the fact that someone else (who might see the world very differently than you) could actually be a very good person.

      • Rob Roy
        June 26, 2018, 9:25 am

        Sorry, Nathan, a racist will never be “a very good person.”

      • Misterioso
        June 26, 2018, 11:03 am

        @Rob Roy

        “Sorry, Nathan, a racist will never be ‘a very good person.'”

        Precisely!!

        Zionism is Judaism’s curse, another Golden Calf.

        I know several young Jews who are utterly disgusted with and deeply ashamed of the monstrous crimes committed by Zionists and the so called “Jewish State” against the indigenous Palestinians and have decided to abandon both. Unsurprisingly, intermarriage is a rapidly growing and healthy trend.

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2018, 2:26 pm

        “Some people feel that the disappearance of a distinct culture or language or identity makes the world a poorer place.”

        And what better way to make sure your heritage is preserved than by making in-marriage, and proper Zionism conditions of inheritance?
        It’s very simple “Nathan”, that’s what “executors” are for. Do right, like some other Jews do, and the pelf is yours. Do Judaism wrong, and it all goes to JNF (or organization of Deceased’s choice.) Simple.

        Why don’t Jews take this simple and meaningful step? Why are they not urged, ordered to do this from the bimah??

        Because we are not at all serious about preventing out-marriage. Sure there’s a lot of “sour grapes” and hectoring over it. But that’s just to hide the truth, “Nathan”, nobody is willing to do anything meaningful about preventing it.

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2018, 3:30 pm

        And “Nathan”, that reminds me: Why are the children of out-marriage accepted as Temple Members, and they and their children eligible for religious education or Bar-Bat Mitzvah?

        What do you think happens when our children see these half- and quarter- Jews being accepted as full Jews? They see there’s no penalty for marrying-out.

      • genesto
        June 26, 2018, 6:03 pm

        , just misguided.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 26, 2018, 7:03 pm

        Well, as hard as this might be to understand, there are people out there in the world who don’t share your judgment of what’s important.

        that’s just the way the world works nathan, different strokes for different folks. all those jewish people in the world who think like Herzog, they don’t have to marry non jews. but why he, or anybody else, should have an opinion on other people’s love life or marriage, it’s just none of their business.

        maybe instead of trying to get other people to change he should focus on changing himself.

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2018, 7:41 pm

        ” maybe instead of trying to get other people to change he should focus on changing…”

        That was inspirational, “Annie”. I see how Herzog can begin to attack this problem. Since there’s been very little reward for telling Jewish people not to marry non-Jews the answer is obvious: Herzog should start a lecture tour telling non-Jewish singles the dangers and heartaches of marrying Jews! Coming from an insider like Herzog, this will be especially convincing. Don’t you think so, “Nathan”?

  7. echinococcus
    June 25, 2018, 12:18 pm

    Would be nice if words like “left”/ right” were used with a little more discrimination.

    That caveman is officially one of the bosses of the “Zionist bloc”, FFS, ie proudly calling himself a racist invader.

    There was a time when these trash called themselves “Labor” in an attempt to suggest to the gullible that they may be some kind of working-class internationalists. But even then only the brainless would have believed racist colonial invaders to be on the “left”.

    Now, this guy is not even religious and he’s making a stink about miscegenation. He’s “left” exactly as much as the KKK Grand Wizard.

  8. Ossinev
    June 25, 2018, 1:38 pm

    @Nicholas
    “That terminology sounds vaguely familiar. Does it mean the same things in Hebrew as it did in German?”

    You may be on to something here. Herzog`s concerns and choice of words certainly mirror historical racist attitudes:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death_Jewish_persecutions

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rassenschande

    Always fascinating to witness a supposed one time Labour/Socialist leftie swing radically to the right to remain relevant in Zioland.

  9. Annie Robbins
    June 25, 2018, 1:57 pm

    We have to rack our brains to figure out how to solve this great challenge.

    he should fix himself, something he has control over. this is so sick.

    the Jewish Agency for Israel, which seeks to strengthen bonds between Jews worldwide

    this is propaganda, a nice way of saying — which seeks to end assimilation of jews worldwide. because if this is his priority after a week on the job, it stinks. keep a constant semi threatening drumbeat of accusations of anti semitism while simultaneously promoting a bigoted notion the non jews are unacceptable life partners. the hypocrisy is stunning.

    • Mooser
      June 25, 2018, 5:56 pm

      “We have to rack our brains to figure out how to solve this great challenge.”

      “The intermarriage rate among American Jews is 58 percent, but 71 percent among the non-Orthodox.”

      And has been for a while. Herzog has his work cut out for him.

    • Mooser
      June 26, 2018, 2:02 pm

      ” keep a constant semi threatening drumbeat of accusations of anti semitism while simultaneously promoting a bigoted notion the non jews are unacceptable life partners.”

      And if that doesn’t bring the 71% (and their children) back to Zionism and organized Judaism, on their knees and ready to divorce their partners for full inclusion, why, I don’t know what will.

  10. DJames
    June 25, 2018, 2:52 pm

    Naked bigotry. Pure & simple.

  11. JLewisDickerson
    June 25, 2018, 8:02 pm

    RE: “The intermarriage rate among American Jews is 58 percent, but 71 percent among the non-Orthodox. The young are making these choices voluntarily. Herzog’s breast-beating, suffering friends are surely in the more traditional, religiously-identified Jewish community.” ~ Mondoweiss Editors

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    Penetrating the insular world of New York’s Hasidic community, focusing on three individuals driven to break away despite threats of retaliation.
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  12. bcg
    June 25, 2018, 8:21 pm

    There is an absolutely classic scene from “Bulworth” on racial deconstruction – not to be missed:

  13. JLewisDickerson
    June 25, 2018, 9:33 pm

    RE: “Israeli left leader says intermarriage by U.S. Jews is ‘actual plague’ and he vows to find ‘a solution’ ”

    GET A LOAD OF THIS GEM:
    “Assimilation Is the Failure of American Jewry, Not Israel”
    By Israel Harel | Haaretz.com | Mar 23, 2018
    Ron Lauder claimed in a New York Times op-ed that Israel’s policies cause ‘assimilation’ and ‘alienation’ from Israel. Is he serious?

    Unlike many Israelis, I believe that Jews in exile are entitled to intervene in Israel’s domestic affairs. Israel is the state of all Jews worldwide, and even if their criticism is sometimes absurd, it’s a testimony to the fact that they care. Caring, even if it’s expressed negatively, is better than alienation, withdrawal and assimilation. After all, withdrawal and assimilation are exilic Jewry’s chief existential problems, and therefore ours as well.

    I intentionally used the loaded term “exile” instead of the more common term “diaspora.” The term “diaspora” gives an ideological seal of approval for Jews to live outside their homeland, even though the result has been mass assimilation. In the early 1960s, there were about six million Jews in the United States. Today, even with the “reinforcement” of hundreds of thousands of Jews who emigrated from Israel (as well as Jewish refugees from Russia and eastern Europe who preferred America to their homeland), the main U.S. Jewish organizations can identify no more than 5.5 million Jews, and some of those are merely “on the spectrum.”

    As was pointed out a decade ago at a conference on assimilation, had American Jews reproduced the way, for instance, secular Israeli Jews have done, America would have between 15 million and 18 million Jews today. One can imagine what an influence they would have had on the country of their birth, and also on their homeland. Therefore, this is an exile, not a diaspora. In our era, assimilation is the face of the exile.

    The president of the World Jewish Congress, Ron Lauder, published an op-ed in the New York Times this week that doubled as an open letter to Israelis. In it, he charged that Israel’s policies are causing “assimilation, alienation and a severe erosion of the global Jewish community’s affinity for the Jewish homeland.” Are you serious, Lauder?

    Like him, I also believe that driving Reform Jews away from the Western Wall’s main plaza and turning it from a national site into a synagogue controlled by the ultra-Orthodox was a sin by successive Israeli governments, for which there is no atonement. But to view this, or other forms of discrimination which the non-Orthodox communities suffer at Israel’s hands, as a reason, even a minor one, for their mass desertion from the ranks of the Jewish people – which reached its peak decades ago, and over which Israel has virtually no influence – is a clear projection.

    SOURCE – https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/assimilation-u-s-jewry-s-failure-1.5936970

    P.S. SO, GET CRACKIN’ JEWISH AMERICAN MALES. IT’S YOUR SACRED DUTY TO KEEP YOUR JEWISH WOMEN BAREFOOT AND PREGNANT. TO BORROW FROM THE ÜBER-PROCREATIVE PILLSBURY DOUGHBOY, THERE SHOULD ALWAYS BE SOMTHIN’ IN THE “OVEN”!!! (SNARKCASM INTENDED!)

    • JLewisDickerson
      June 25, 2018, 9:46 pm

      P.P.S. BUT, BEWARE THE POTENTIAL FOR BLOWBACK!

      • RoHa
        June 26, 2018, 1:19 am

        “had American Jews reproduced the way, for instance, secular Israeli Jews have done, America would have between 15 million and 18 million Jews today. ”

        Mooser, you should be ashamed of your laziness.

      • RoHa
        June 26, 2018, 1:44 am

        “One can imagine what an influence they would have had on the country of their birth, and also on their homeland.”

        He is advocating greater Jewish influence on the USA, even though it is not the “homeland” of those American Jews.

        Zionists seem really keen on living up to anti-Semitic tropes.

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2018, 1:47 pm

        “Mooser, you should be ashamed of your laziness.”

        I sorta was, too. Until I went to this site:

        http://www.jewishgeneticdiseases.org/

      • JLewisDickerson
        June 26, 2018, 9:55 pm

        THERE WILL BE ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSES!
        You underachieving slackers had better be “gettin’ busy” real quick-like, or else . . .

      • JLewisDickerson
        June 26, 2018, 9:59 pm

      • JLewisDickerson
        June 26, 2018, 11:38 pm

    • JLewisDickerson
      June 28, 2018, 9:38 am

      P.S. RE: “As was pointed out a decade ago at a conference on assimilation, had American Jews reproduced the way, for instance, secular Israeli Jews have done, America would have between 15 million and 18 million Jews today. One can imagine what an influence they would have had on the country of their birth, and also on their homeland.” ~ Israel Harel (from his Haaretz editorial, as shown above)

      SEE:
      Lebensborn
      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      Lebensborn e.V. (literally: “Fount of Life”) was an SS-initiated, state-supported, registered association in Nazi Germany with the goal of raising the birth rate of “Aryan” children via extramarital relations of persons classified as “racially pure and healthy” based on Nazi racial hygiene and health ideology. Lebensborn encouraged anonymous births by unmarried women, and mediated adoption of these children by likewise “racially pure and healthy” parents, particularly SS members and their families. . .

      SOURCE – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn

      P.P.S. ALSO SEE: “The Nazi Party: The ‘Lebensborn’ Program (1935 – 1945)”, jewishvirtuallibrary.org
      LINK – https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Lebensborn.html

  14. Tzvia Thier
    June 26, 2018, 8:44 am

    Israeli left leader? haha… Hertzog is a joke! Who needs this agency anyway, just to create some needless jobs? We, many of us Jews, will continue the intermarriage, will choose and be chosen by people that we love, people of any origin, or color, just people. That all what it counts.

  15. genesto
    June 26, 2018, 12:15 pm

    I bet there is a direct correlation between the waning of religious faith and the increase in mixed marriages in this country. Institutionalized religions, even in their best forms, divide people between those that know the ‘truth and the way’, as espoused by their religion, and those that don’t.

    Absent religious barriers, people are far more likely to mix with the ‘other’ and to overcome fear and ignorance of – and even marry – that same ‘other’.

    • Mooser
      June 26, 2018, 8:17 pm

      While dating, I accidentally touched the arm of the woman I was with, and being so thoroughly compromised I had little choice but to act honorably. The Code of the Moosters is strict. After my wife-to-be told us we were getting married, she said I should tell her father.

      I’ll never forget what my father-in-law said to me when I was doing the traditional ask-Dad-for-daughter’s-hand thing. First off, tongue-tied, I blubbered something like “We feel we have to get married now because…” That “have to” brought him upright with a start which, I’m almost certain, raised the record for the sitting high jump. I explained there was no immediate necessity, and I soon got him settled down, and the shotgun back in the rack over the mantel.

      Anyway, I hemmed and hawed some more, and ended up with some banality about “and we hope you will support us in this decision”. He sat there and looked at me as if he couldn’t believe what he was hearing, and sputtered, “Support you?Look buddy, if you’re going to marry my daughter, you better at least get a job! ”
      Of course, he was an easy-to-get-along-with kind of man, and this little misunderstanding was all patched over in a couple of short decades. But I never did get that job, so I guess we’re even.

      My Mom was a different story.
      She seemed so affable and friendly, seemed she liked my wife-to-be so much, that it wasn’t but a few hours,( by which time my Mom and my wife-to-be were chatting and laughing like people who had known each other five minutes!) before she burst into tears and started screaming: “You’re such a nice girl! Run, for Gods sake, while you still have time. My son is a monster! If you only knew how much he hurt me!” I said “Mom, that was 37 years ago, when I was born, can’t we get past that?” and she said: “I don’t care how old you are, a Mother never forgets!”

      And, bless her, she never did.

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2018, 8:30 pm

        Oh shoot, I forgot to mention My Mother and I are Jewish, my wife and her family, not.
        I mean, unless you know that, the story doesn’t make any sense.

  16. James Canning
    June 26, 2018, 2:47 pm

    I think a high rate of intermarriage is a very good thing, both for the US and for Israel.

    • Mooser
      June 26, 2018, 4:31 pm

      “I think a high rate of intermarriage is a very good thing”

      I was checking, and it really started rising again about 2009 and after. Wonder why that could be?

    • genesto
      June 26, 2018, 6:07 pm

      Absolutely, but I wouldn’t stop there. It’s good for humanity, since it makes it nearly impossible hold prejudices against other people when you have a strain of them in your own DNA!

      • RoHa
        June 26, 2018, 7:46 pm

        I’m not sure about that. I’ve got a fair amount of human DNA, and yet I’m prejudiced against everyone.

        However, I did marry the “other”. I’m male, and she’s female!

      • catalan
        June 26, 2018, 9:37 pm

        “it nearly impossible hold prejudices against other people when you have a strain of them in your own DNA!”
        That is true. When my dna was tested, I found that I am 30 percent Palestinian Arab, I also have Greek and Slavic blood. I think that’s why I am so open minded. On the other hand, you look at people that don’t have many strains of DNA, like Navajo and Icelanders, and they tend to be very prejudiced.

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2018, 10:48 pm

        “However, I did marry the “other”. I’m male, and she’s female!”

        I got bad news for ya, friend. The latest research pretty much confirms we males are the “other”. Turns out women are the real people biologically, men were assimilated into the species later. Probably from a closely related species. Strictly an ad hominid kind of thing. We’re still calling each other names.

        There’s only one thing to do. Escape to a planet entirely populated by humor beings, the Planet of the Japes.

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2018, 11:01 pm

        “On the other hand, you look at people that don’t have many strains of DNA, like Navajo and Icelanders, and they tend to be very prejudiced.”

        Gosh, that’s perceptive. Only an extremely open-minded person could see that relationship between DNA and prejudice in Icelanders and Navajoes.

        So you had your DNA tested, and you had all those, but no Jewish DNA? None? Must have been a shock. Feh, it happens. Don’t let it get you down.

      • RoHa
        June 27, 2018, 2:03 am

        So I’m the “other”? That’s a disturbing thought. It casts doubt on the basic concepts of indexicality.

        But if my wife isn’t the “other”, and I am, it’s still a mixed marriage.

      • echinococcus
        June 27, 2018, 12:04 pm

        nearly impossible [to] hold prejudices against other people when you have a strain of them in your own DNA!

        Turks, Greeks, Serbs, Bosnians, Croats, Ukrainians, Russians, all agree with that pearl of wisdom!

      • Mooser
        June 27, 2018, 12:43 pm

        “But if my wife isn’t the “other”, and I am, it’s still a mixed marriage.”

        Same here. It’s been one long MMA (Mixed Marital Arts) Championship bout at Moosehall. We’re in the 30th round.

      • catalan
        June 27, 2018, 9:14 pm

        “So you had your DNA tested, and you had all those, but no Jewish DNA?”
        I have some Jewish too. To my relief, I have no Croat dna. Apparently, they hold the distinction of having had the single most sadistic concentration camp bar none. Jasenovac. The place made Auschwitz look like a summer resort.

      • echinococcus
        June 27, 2018, 11:54 pm

        Mooser,

        So you had your DNA tested, and you had all those, but no Jewish DNA? None? Must have been a shock.

        How come anyone expects him to have any? Absurd.
        He’s not Ashkenazi.

      • Mooser
        June 28, 2018, 3:22 pm

        “He’s not Ashkenazi.”

        That should be a relief to him. “Ashkenazi Jewish genetic diseases” gets the longest list, by far

        “I have some Jewish too.” “catalan”

        Which ones?

      • echinococcus
        June 28, 2018, 5:33 pm

        Which ones?

        As we just discussed, you and me.
        Sometimes you do need a drawing.

      • Mooser
        June 28, 2018, 6:11 pm

        “Sometimes you do need a drawing.”

        This should do.

  17. Misterioso
    June 26, 2018, 3:17 pm

    For the record:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/26/us-ambassador-israel-boon-far-right?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+USA+-+Collections+2017&utm_term=279276&subid=1414681&CMP=GT_US_collection

    “The US ambassador to Israel is a boon to the far right. He must be stopped”
    By Jeremy Ben-Ami , Haaretz, June 26/18

    “It’s time for the US Senate to call to task an ambassador who has violated every conceivable diplomatic norm.”

    EXCEREPT:
    “‘Friedman represents a boon for a far-right minority of Americans Jews, Christian evangelicals and neoconservative hawks.’”

    “It’s been over a year since David Friedman – longtime settlement movement benefactor and opponent of the two-state solution – took office as the US ambassador to Israel. In that time, Friedman has used the embassy as a personal bully pulpit to reshape US policy and advance his personal far-right agenda – precisely the course he pledged to the Senate foreign relations committee he would not follow.

    “It is time for the Senate to bring Friedman back to DC for tough questioning. They should start by asking how it’s appropriate for the US ambassador to Israel to act more like the lawyer and spokesman for Israel’s settlement movement than a representative of American interests.

    “As ambassador, Friedman has regularly tipped the scale to validate Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank, alienate moderate Palestinian leaders and undermine the prospects for a two-state agreement to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
    In an administration where climate change deniers regulate the environment and xenophobes shape immigration policy, it may not shock that a West Bank settler is upending American policy on the conflict.

    “But it’s on the Senate – charged with serving as a check and balance on the executive branch – to call to task an ambassador who has violated every conceivable diplomatic norm, shattered US credibility as a mediator and poured fuel on the fire of the explosive Israeli-Palestinian conflict.”

    “Time and again, Friedman has asserted the legitimacy and legality of the settlements, contradicting longstanding US policy. He told the media, falsely, that ‘settlements are part of Israel’ and that Israel ‘is only occupying 2% of the West Bank.’ (in fact, roughly 80% of the West Bank is under Israeli security control). In late 2017, he reportedly requested that the state department cease using the terms ‘occupation’ and ‘Israeli-occupied territories’ to refer to Israeli rule in the West Bank. He’s stated that the settlers ‘aren’t going anywhere.’

    “Earlier this month, the ambassador told the US press that they should ‘keep [their] mouths shut’ instead of reporting on Israeli actions in Gaza. But it’s Friedman who hasn’t been able to control his own outbursts – publicly attacking not only the media, but Palestinian leaders, Democrats and pro-Israel, pro-peace Americans.”

    • echinococcus
      June 26, 2018, 6:40 pm

      “The US ambassador to Israel is a boon to the far right. He must be stopped”

      Au contraire! That’s precisely why he shouldn’t be interfered with and must be kept at his job as long as it lasts.

  18. Rashers2
    June 26, 2018, 5:31 pm

    Forgive me, but what on earth can the ordure Herzog spouts when he opens his lower mouth to talk have to do with “race”? Admittedly, I am neither an anthropologist nor have pretensions to knowledge of genetics, eugenics or any other -ics to do with race. “Jewish” defines an adherent of Judaism or one whose maternal parentage was Jewish. It doesn’t define a “race” as in a skin tone, a characteristic hair colour/eye colour/physiognomy/etc. Ethnically, most Jews in- and outside Israel are white/European/Caucasian. The ethnicity crap is just that. Yes, Diaspora Jews in Europe and, later, in America may have been [falsely] characterised for expedient reasons as a racial grouping by the Church and by political leaders in pursuit of anti-Semitic dogma or policies but that doesn’t make the characterisation a correct one – the less so, the more centuries elapse since the several Diasporas culminating around 135 A. D. There is an ethnic sub-group of Semites, which includes the indigenous peoples of the Fertile Crescent and those descended from them. Most are Arabs and most of those are not adherents of Judaism. The majority of American and Israeli Jews, however, are ethnically predominantly Caucasian and many are descendants of European pre-Christian converts from other religions to Judaism.
    The miscegenation (what an ugly term that is for two human beings of different heritages coming together?) that Herzog complains of is thus, at face value, one of inter-religious marriage. The underlying complaint, of course, is nothing of the kind: what Herzog and the Zio-supremacists care about is only the danger they perceive lies in “mixed” unions to the unwavering support of American Jewry for Zionism and its consequent devotion to Israel, right or wrong. This is characteristically erroneous Zio-logic: what will eventually undermine and kill support of American Jewry and other Zio-sympathisers for Israel has nothing to do with intermarriage. It will be Israel’s continuing criminal, inhuman behaviour.

  19. Nevada Ned
    June 27, 2018, 2:58 am

    The high rate of intermarriage between Jew and Gentile is a result of the rapid decline in anti-semitism in the last few decades. There is no longer an important barrier to intermarriage. So of course intermarriage happens very often.

    For example, one of my sisters is married to a Jewish man.My other sister is married to a Catholic man. (We were all raised as liberal protestants.) There are no conflicts about race or religion in my family, because nobody cares much about religion. And nobody in my family is a big supporter of Israel either.

    Israelis and their supporters and defenders in the US are often alarmed about the rise of intermarriage. They think it weakens the support of Israel by US Jews. The Israelis may be right about that, but they’re totally unable to stop intermarriage in the US or even slow it down.

    The last country that really banned intermarriage between Jew and Gentile was Nazi Germany. Does Mr. Herzog really want the US to be like that???

  20. RoHa
    June 27, 2018, 6:12 am

    Contemptible.

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