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BDS movement: SodaStream is still subject to boycott following sale to PepsiCo

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Earlier this week, PepsiCo announced that it signed an agreement to buy SodaStream, a producer of home-carbonation machines. SodaStream has faced global boycotts because of its complicity in Israel’s grave violations of Palestinian human rights.

Omar Barghouti, co-founder of the BDS movement for Palestinian rights, said:

SodaStream is still subject to boycott by the global, Palestinian-led BDS movement for Palestinian rights. Its new factory is actively complicit in Israel’s policy of displacing the indigenous Bedouin-Palestinian citizens of Israel in the Naqab (Negev). SodaStream’s mistreatment of and discrimination against Palestinian workers is not forgotten either.

The BDS movement sees SodaStream’s closure of its factory in the militarily occupied West Bank as a success, in line with our commitment to end Israel’s violations of Palestinian human rights. This SodaStream factory was located in one of the largest illegalIsraeli settlements built on stolen Palestinian land, on the ruins of seven Palestinian villages whose inhabitants were forced out to make way for a Jewish-only town, in contravention of international law and decades of stated US policy.

As was the case with the international boycott of and divestment from corporations complicit in the crimes of apartheid South Africa, all corporations that are complicit in Israeli violations of Palestinian human rights are legitimate targets for the BDS movement.

At the height of the BDS campaign against SodaStream, the company’s share price tumbled and its reputation was damaged.

It’s clear that violating the Palestinian BDS call is morally objectionable because it’s bad for human rights. It’s also bad for business.

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  1. Citizen
    Citizen
    August 23, 2018, 3:41 pm

    On a related issue: Meet the Owner of Canary Mission’s Anonymous Anti-Palestinian Blacklisting Website https://www.mintpressnews.com/canary-mission/248147/#.W38KBo27DdU.twitter #CanaryMission #Zionism

    We need a stronger response to the Canary Mission goal of ruining the careers of those pushing for Palestinian rights: https://mondoweiss.net/2018/08/communal-palestines-advocates/

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      August 23, 2018, 7:38 pm

      Thanks for that information. It’s telling that the owner of the Canary Mission website thinks everybody can be bought for money. That’s his “moral” compass.

      It’s also telling that he and his Zionist ilk operate so much in secrecy. Secrecy here, secrecy there, everywhere enforced secrecy. Brandishing their big bank accounts, the financial owners and “generous donors” threaten, blugeon, smear, ruin, character assassinate, and yes, even physically assassinate those who stand in their despicable way.

      The antidote to secrecy is information. So thanks again for spreading these facts.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      August 26, 2018, 2:17 am

      @cz

      Thanks for drumming up new business for my bro

  2. Steve Grover
    Steve Grover
    August 23, 2018, 7:09 pm

    Wasn’t that $3.2 Billion that PEPSICO paid for SodaStream? And the Sabra Brand sales keep growing and gaining slots in the refrigerated sections. BDS is great for Israeli business! Israeli business owners hope they are next!

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      August 24, 2018, 10:22 am

      @Steve Grover

      https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/bds-winning-admits-top-israeli-sabotage-strategist
      “‘BDS is winning,’ admits top Israeli’ sabotage strategist.”
      Electronic Intifada – 21 April 2017
      EXCERPT: “The boycott, divestment and sanctions movement against Israel is winning, a top anti-BDS strategist has conceded.
      “At the ‘Ambassadors Against BDS’ conference in New York last month, former Israeli government advisor Gidi Grinstein said that ‘in 2016 our community probably invested 20 times … more resources in dealing with this problem compared to what we invested in 2010.’ Yet despite these tens of millions of dollars spent combating BDS, Grinstein asked: ‘why are we not winning?’”

      http://www.timesofisrael.com/dysfunctional-israeli-leadership-failing-utterly-in-battle-against-bds-state-watchdog-warns/

      Times of Israel – May 24, 2016

      EXCERPT:
      “Dysfunctional Israeli leadership failing utterly in battle against BDS, state watchdog warns”

      “Highlighting dismal propaganda performance during 2014 war, comptroller cites lack of overall strategy, absent funding, divisions between ministries, failure to coordinate with IDF.”

      To quote Patrick Martin, Canada’s Globe and Mail correspondent in Israel:
      http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/parliament-votes-to-reject-campaign-to-boycott-israel/article28863810/

      Globe and Mail, Feb. 23/16
      EXCERPT:
      “Israel is increasingly concerned with the successes of the boycott and divestment efforts. In 2014, foreign direct investment in Israel dropped 46 per cent from the previous year, in part, a United Nations report said, because of BDS efforts.

      “These initiatives are taking hold at North American universities, churches and trade unions, where many institutions are dropping investments in Israel or Israel-connected companies. In Europe where hundreds of academics and entertainers are personally boycotting Israel, major companies such as telecom Orange and water company Veolia are pulling out of Israeli ventures, and some EU governments are putting warning labels on products produced in Israeli West Bank settlements.”

      http://www.haaretz.com/.premium-1.719064?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
      “Israeli Exports Slump to Seven-year April Low. Harel says weak trade performance to cut 2016 economic growth outlook.”
      By Moti Bassok – May 11, 2016

      EXCERPT:
      “Israel’s deteriorating export performance hit a new low last month, as merchandise exports fell to their lowest April total since 2009, the Central Bureau of Statistics reported on Tuesday….”

      • Steve Grover
        Steve Grover
        August 24, 2018, 3:49 pm

        That’s nice Misterioso.
        No matter how the anti-Semite Ali Abimunah fantasizes about BDS against Israel, Fortune 500 Companies don’t take advice from Israel haters on the extreme left or on the extreme right on investing in Israel or Israeli Companies. Go read the Wall Street Journal instead.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        August 26, 2018, 2:19 am

        You guys really don’t understand the difference between hasbara and strategic policy. Sheesh, I just realised how coddled you are on world politics. I guess your hyper fixation on Israel had stunted your brain cells.

        As the infamous moosr says, “shorter”: bds is winning like israeli pilots are becoming incompetent. or, bds is winning like Israel is losing business in the agro, techno, pharma, medical water resource industries. But if you were thinking we would ignore it forever with your shrill bragging you were sadly mistaken. it’s a losing battle that y’all started. but keep going, their is some feisty give and take that’s entertaining

  3. JWalters
    JWalters
    August 23, 2018, 7:42 pm

    Boycott PepsiCo.

    • August 24, 2018, 8:42 am

      Agree. Not that I drink that kind of stuff anyhow, but others do, and I hope they boycott PepsiCo.

      • catalan
        catalan
        August 24, 2018, 9:20 am

        “anyhow, but others do, and I hope they boycott PepsiCo” islander
        Starbucks, Nestle, Google, GM, Boeing, Unilever, and now Pepsi. I think what is needed is a list of what NOT to boycott.

      • genesto
        genesto
        August 24, 2018, 5:57 pm

        If you go down the list of targets for BDS, they all offer poor quality products or services. So, boycotting them actually becomes a rather easy task. Just stay away from junk, in general, and you will almost assuredly support BDS!

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        August 26, 2018, 2:27 am

        Yeah genesto… Make sure you boycott Intel and your texting apps on your cell phone. And make sure to use gps apps older then Waze/google to navigate your road system And have fun. And when you get your next colonoscopy make sure they stick that big fat old tube up there since you would surely want to boycott the micro Israeli laparoscopic cameras that go up your butt and down your throat. Your butt will surely feel proud of itself. In fact, Einstein did criticize some things about Israeli policy but was a devout Zionist. Maybe boycott his unified theory. It might limit you in some ways but think of how proud you would feel..👖

    • Emet
      Emet
      August 24, 2018, 3:57 pm

      Yeh, and boycott Intel as well. Also Apple and Samsung as they all are using Zionist imperialist parts. And whilst we are about it, lets also not use Siemens medical equipment that is also full of Israel technology. And IBM as well. Let’s boycott them all. Who’s with me? Let’s arrange a iPhone and Galaxy smashing demonstration?

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        August 24, 2018, 6:07 pm

        Hemet,

        We’ve heard the exact same things in 1936, only it was about pharmaceuticals, medicine, machines, all the high-tech equipment of the day, metallurgy.

        I have to congratulate your Propagandaabteilung for using the exact same techniques as the other 1,000-year Empire we can’t name here.

      • zaid
        zaid
        August 25, 2018, 5:41 pm

        ” full of Israel technology.”

        What Israeli technology! Israel doesnot even make a washing machine.

        Israel barely register at the world of electronics or manufacturing.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        August 25, 2018, 10:14 pm

        @zaid

        Spot on about tech. The same applies to Israeli life saving medications. Teva is the world’s largest generic drug manufacturer in the world. It owns quite a few subsidiaries in many countries. The keyword is generic though. Aspirin is aspirin. Teva is not even needed. It may have acquired some drug patents by buying them over the last couple of years but without that it holds the patent on one drug whose patent is currently being questioned in court. It doesn’t look good for the survivability of that patent.

        Also Teva has been implicated in quite a number of kickback, corruption cases. Enough so that the former chairman had to resign.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        August 26, 2018, 10:12 am

        It’s funny how Zionist desperately try to narrow down the possibilites of boycotting Israel by referring to Israeli inventions. How on earth did Jews boycott Nazi Germany without using Gutenberg’s invention of the printing press. ROFL.

        BDS: how a controversial non-violent movement has transformed the Israeli-Palestinian debate
        https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/aug/14/bds-boycott-divestment-sanctions-movement-transformed-israeli-palestinian-debate

  4. echinococcus
    echinococcus
    August 23, 2018, 8:40 pm

    SodaStream is still subject to boycott

    This is a damaging statement: any business, cultural or educational venue, in fact anything from the Zionist entity is subject to boycott.

    The statement as “still subject to boycott” by the “official” organization, by suggesting that some arre excepted and that one may picking and choose, is hugely damaging to the boycott movement.

    Any boycotter can decide for self anyway but this kind of wording makes one wonder about the will of the “official” BDS to boycott the Zionist entity.

    • annie
      annie
      August 24, 2018, 5:02 pm

      this kind of wording makes one wonder about the will of the “official” BDS

      and what would the movement do without echi the protector alerting everyone to the questionable will of the official bds national committee and their damaging statements!!!!

      heavens forbid!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 24, 2018, 5:06 pm

        “and what would the movement do without echi”

        There’ll be no compromisin’ on the road to his horizon!

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        August 24, 2018, 5:26 pm

        I don’t mind being made fun of, but a response addressing the content would be welcome.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        August 25, 2018, 12:33 pm

        Annie,
        Strange; I can’t hear you now.

        I’ll just add a word in defense and praise of the official BDSers, though: they’ve done their job of waking up the slumbering, and the extent of what they are doing now is the maximum anyone can do when based under Zionist occupation with a known address. What’s the excuse of Western people for keeping to occupier-imposed limits?

      • annie
        annie
        August 25, 2018, 1:05 pm

        you can’t hear my response addressing the content? there’s only so much i can add about the word “still” but i’ll give it a stab. suffice it to say, the word (idea) was likely included for people who thought sodastream was off the hook once they moved their facilities. unlike you (or whomever “one” you were referencing) i don’t wonder about the “will” of bds national committee.

        as for your question, not sure how many westerns who support bds even use that product. but maybe you’ll tell us.

  5. hophmi
    hophmi
    August 24, 2018, 3:01 am

    Lol, since this website (Annie is particular) started going after Sodastream, it’s gone up almost fourfold. Remember that Annie? Guess it’s not going out of business so fast.

    • annie
      annie
      August 24, 2018, 4:56 pm

      of course i remember it. do i regret it? heck no. that campaign (the soda stream boycott campaign which had been in motion for years) erupted after scarlett johansson became their spokesperson, our site being (as i recall) the very first article shaming her. after it hit the mainstream it became the first time (as i recall) netanyahu publically addressed bds. i believe that was after (as i recall) kerry mentioned “boycott” in relation to israel in a speech in germany (as i recall). all of a sudden the BDS movement was in the news a lots more attention was directed as israel/apartheid.

      nothings going to change until the masses demand it. the masses are waking up. it’s a matter of time hops.

      • inbound39
        inbound39
        August 24, 2018, 7:48 pm

        ……nothings going to change until the masses demand it. the masses are waking up. it’s a matter of time hops.

        Precisely Annie and not before time. The extent of Israel’s criminality not just in Palestine but the World at large makes consequences on the Israeli Government and Israeli’s involved imperative. Netanyahu is openly stating at the moment he plans to split the EU so they cannot continue opposing Israel. Politicians around the World need to cut all ties with Israel and all support and bring the impunity of Israel to an end. The global community as a whole does not want to be ruled by Israel.

      • annie
        annie
        August 25, 2018, 1:27 pm

        inbound, the zios are really mucking things up in the UK. not sure how anyone could take this AS attack on corbyn seriously at this point. there’s only so much “jewish sensitivity” to go around. it just rings hollow at this point. the latest over at skwawkbox some pro israel bloggers got caught defending a christian zionist accusing some jews questioning her of killing jesus. i mean, once they start digging back into the archives, it’s fair game digging back in theirs too.

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        August 25, 2018, 3:18 pm

        Annie that Millett character (who frequently knocks around with the odious Jonathan Hoffman)has been on every bbcR4 news bulletin wailing antisemitism! antisemitism! all day. They really think if they shout it loud enough and long enough, it’ll suddenly work like some kind of magic incantation. Oddly enough, each time they try, Labour membership goes up.

      • annie
        annie
        August 27, 2018, 3:04 am

        Oddly enough, each time they try, Labour membership goes up.

        it’s so “me me me” in your face. i swear, if labour loses because of this dastardly fabricated campaign people who really need all the benefits from a labour gov (like.. the masses) are really going to be pissed. this is not ‘good for the jews’.. at all. this is twisted and getting twistier by the day. the extent of it s unbelievable almost. meanwhile, as the stats confirm, racism is thriving in parts of europe, primarily against muslims. and where’s it’s worst against jews — where real AS exists (the neonazis), it seems the israelis are backing them. it’s almost mindboggling.

      • annie
        annie
        August 27, 2018, 3:11 am

        an as an aside, i had this dm conversation with this english person who positions himself as an expert on anti semitism, he insists jews are oppressed in the UK. so i mentioned that wasn’t the vibe i got here in the bay area, that jews were an oppressed minority. so he send me this pamphlet explaining the way they were, allegedly. which sort of amounted to how peope thought they were privileged — which is a form of oppression (this is from memory). so i tried suggesting that maybe it wasn’t eh same here as in the UK because i knew a few jewish people and they didn’t express feeling oppressed. he unfollowed me. strange. i just don’t think of american jews as an oppressed minority. it’s not like anyone is trying to ban them from immigrating or deport jewish DACAs. maybe i am just clueless, but i don’t think so. the kids are alright.

      • amigo
        amigo
        August 27, 2018, 1:43 pm

        : it’s so “me me me” in your face. i swear, if labour loses because of this dastardly fabricated campaign people who really need all the benefits from a labour gov (like.. the masses) are really going to be pissed. this is not ‘good for the jews’: Annie.

        Annie, the zionists are just putting off the inevitable.They may succeed in ousting Corbyn but their increasingly intrusive actions globally, will eventually lead to their total isolation. Well maybe with the exception of Palau and Micronesia + bought and paid for US of A.

        The zio entity is finished and it is only a matter of when.The fall will be the greatest show on earth.To quote trump , ! like nothing you have ever seen in your life !.(excuse the quotation marks , my keypad is acting up).

        I just want to live long enough to see it.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        August 27, 2018, 4:09 pm

        Amigo

        Everything is pointing to the same conclusion. Zionism never imagined the Palestinians would still be around.
        And they cannot put lipstick on apartheid.
        They had to psychologically reengineer their society to accept evil as normal so they have nothing in common with the OECD countries. And they will not change.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        August 27, 2018, 4:56 pm

        Annie,

        Me me me is the essence of Zionism. Brits need a new economic system that Labour can deliver..but certain people deem Israel more important. Thousands of Americans including Prince and Tom Petty have died of Fentanyl poisoning but Israel needs $ 3 bn more than the families do.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        August 28, 2018, 2:56 am

        @an

        Absolutely the Scarlett J moment was a turning point for coverage in the west on bds. It had had both lingering as well as dwindling effects but no denying it was a publicity coup.

      • annie
        annie
        August 30, 2018, 11:41 am

        thanks for all the great response!

        DaBakr, re those “lingering as well as dwindling effects” of the “publicity coup”. as i mentioned earlier about the masses, curious if you’ve read any of the recent leaked coverage about the repressed Al Jazeera documentary on the pro-Israel lobby? i recommend “how israel spies on US citizens” https://orientxxi.info/magazine/how-israel-spies-on-us-citizens,2598

        which reveals:

        Kleinfeld’s contacts told him they were spying on US citizens with the help of Israel’s Ministry of Strategic Affairs, founded in 2006, which reports directly to Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu. One official said: “We are a different government working on foreign soil, [so] we have to be very, very cautious.” And indeed some of the things they do could be subject to prosecution under US law.

        my point, is these so-called “lingering effects” of the publicity, which bds activists and sites like ours have been promoting for years and years, at some point reaches a tipping point where it spills over into popular opinion, a virtual convergence so to speak, where government policy (at the time the recent “peace negotiations”/obama/kerry efforts had hit the wall with a loud splat), popular culture, and other factors merge where the trickling effect of previous efforts became a giant wave. from that same article:

        David Hazony, founding editor of The Tower Magazine and an influential member of TIP, said in the documentary: “The specific potential of an immediate boycott, that’s not a problem. What’s a bigger problem is the Democratic Party, the Bernie Sanders people, bringing all the anti-Israel people into the Democratic Party. Then being pro-Israel becomes less a bipartisan issue, and then every time the White House changes, the policies towards Israel change. That becomes a dangerous thing for Israel. There is actually an important battle being fought on the campuses.”……

        Everything seems to be going well for Israel, but its American supporters, despite their extensive resources, are nervous. The future seems dark to them, and even those most likely to support them are wavering. The documentary shows Vaknin-Gil admitting in a Knesset hearing: “Today we [have] lost the second generation of Jews, which are the millennial generation of Jews. I hear this from their parents, who come and explain to me what a hard time they’re having with their kids at Friday dinners. They don’t recognise the state of Israel and don’t see us as an entity to be admired.”

        that bolded part, about ‘Sanders bringing anti-Israel people into the Democratic Party’, i don’t agree with that, those voters have always been part of the dem party, they just have some agency behind non aipac control candidates, but they are running scared, “future looks dark” in their eyes, and these are top lobby people being quoted and serious funds allocated to fight bds.

        once you convince them, those funders, including israel strategic affairs ministry, bds is just an inconsequential blip (as hophmi’s comment implies and catalan is constantly reminding us) i might believe it to. but i don’t see that day coming.

        i recommend the leaked video from the doc https://grayzoneproject.com/2018/08/28/leaked-scenes-from-censored-documentary-expose-israel-lobbyist-noah-pollak-astroturfing-an-anti-palestinian-protest/
        Leaked Scenes from Censored Documentary Reveal Israel Lobbyist Noah Pollak Astroturfing an Anti-Palestinian Protest (sort of shocking they have to pay people to show up for this ‘pro israel protest’)

  6. CigarGod
    CigarGod
    August 24, 2018, 9:26 am

    Proof of zionists corrupt character is they always counter/rationalize a moral issue with ‘Money!’

    Anti-zionists take action because it is the right thing to do…whether there is profit, loss, win or lose.

    Zionist nature reminds me of a Patty Hearst quote.

  7. Elizabeth Block
    Elizabeth Block
    August 24, 2018, 10:08 am

    Well, yes. SodaStream moved from land stolen in the occupied West Bank to land stolen in 1948 Israel from the occupied Bedouin.
    [I’m very lucky. I don’t like fizzy drinks. So boycotting Pepsi – no problem.]

  8. jon s
    jon s
    August 24, 2018, 5:33 pm

    I used to think that boycotting Ben&Jerry’s ice cream was bds at its stupidest but now it looks like this is even dumber.
    Sodastream pulled out of the WB and relocated to the Bedouin town of Rahat, here in the Negev, 10-15 minutes drive from where I’m writing this. What’s the point of continuing the boycott?

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      August 25, 2018, 3:29 am

      Because the boycott is about destroying Israel, not about ending occupation.

      • annie
        annie
        August 25, 2018, 4:09 am

        there is an argument to be made israel could not survive without the occupation of palestine. lots of free land and resources. made they should try growing up and supporting themselves.

      • amigo
        amigo
        August 27, 2018, 2:01 pm

        “Because the boycott is about destroying Israel, not about ending occupation.”Hopknee

        Israel does not need help from BDS to destroy itself but you should be grateful for the help in speeding it up this mutually beneficial project.

        Keep up the good work oh Yisrael.

    • catalan
      catalan
      August 25, 2018, 4:21 pm

      “I used to think that boycotting Ben&Jerry’s ice cream was bds at its stupidest” jon
      It’s a tough call but my vote is for the boycott of Google and Starbucks (in the stupidity competition).

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      August 27, 2018, 8:22 am

      TheZionist movement in Palestine boycotted Palestinian labour from day 1. BDS is about leveraging Western disgust towards what Israel has become.

    • amigo
      amigo
      August 27, 2018, 1:47 pm

      Jon S , any feedback on all that Antisemitism which permeates British society.

      Is the delay due to the enormity of the report.

      Just asking.

      • jon s
        jon s
        September 1, 2018, 4:41 pm

        amigo,
        Sorry for keeping you in suspense, but the school year is opening so I’ve been a bit busy.
        My wife and I had a pleasant time in London, despite the heat.
        I didn’t encounter Anti-Semitism. The only indirect effect I observed was the enhanced security at West London Synagogue, where we attended Sabbath eve services. And the Rabbi began his sermon with “this week I wil NOT talk about Anti-Semitism…”

  9. Emet
    Emet
    August 24, 2018, 5:50 pm

    Rahat, the Bedouin town where the new factory is located, has seen unemployment drop from 36% to 11% because of the factory. I dare anyone supporting BDS to go to Rahat and shout down SodaStream. I suggest you bring your running shoes because if they catch you I shudder to think what they will do with you. Enough with the lies and hate already!

    • just
      just
      August 24, 2018, 10:53 pm

      jon s and Emet:

      So you’re happy to exploit, steal, and plunder willy- nilly from the Bedouin while smashing their homes and livelihoods, and in the same breath you threaten folks who are appealing for justice for all to run away from the viciousness of Captain Israel and the Settlers? Sodastream is shtick. Fizzy junk and dross, topped with Scarlett J. .

      Do something right and give the Palestinians their clean water back. Stop filling your zio- pools with their water, stop gorging yourselves on the products from their land, stop stealing their natural resources (including natural gas worth billions), stop killing, grievously wounding, and jailing them.

      • jon s
        jon s
        August 25, 2018, 3:41 pm

        Just,
        The Bedouin are indeed among the most disadvantaged segments of Israeli society. As a resident of the Negev I’m well aware of their situation and I happen to be active in organizations that support Bedouin rights, so accusing me of being “happy to exploit ..etc”is a bit unfair.

        But how does that lead to a boycott of Sodastream? What would be the goal? For the company to go out of business? move out of Rahat?
        Why don’t you ask the people of Rahat whether they would like to see the Sodastream facility in their town closed? Or do you presume to know what’s really best for them?

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        August 26, 2018, 4:39 am

        jon s: “Why don’t you ask the people of Rahat whether they would like to see the Sodastream facility in their town closed?”

        The usual Apartheid argument. Ending Apartheid is somehow bad for the people which are its victims.

      • jon s
        jon s
        August 26, 2018, 3:05 pm

        Talkback,
        I’m saying that the people of Rahat should be consulted, and their views and interests respected.

        Do you support a boycott of Sodastream, with the goal of putting it out of business or forcing it to close the facility in Rahat?

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        August 27, 2018, 6:20 am

        jon s: “I’m saying that the people of Rahat should be consulted, and their views and interests respected.”

        Yes, yes. As long as it is befitting Israel as a Jewish and democratic state, right? Otherwise you could say that the people of Palestine should have been consulted, and their views and interests respected regarding the violent partition of their country.

        jon s: “Do you support a boycott of Sodastream, with the goal of putting it out of business or forcing it to close the facility in Rahat?”

        No, I’m a Zionist imbecile who support’s Apartheid and will argue that it is better to work for the Apartheid’s regime capitalists than to end Apartheid.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        August 27, 2018, 9:45 am

        Hey John S,

        Make me cry, will you?
        No one expects boycott to achieve just that, but closing every plant in the Zionist entity, including unnecessary BS like soda fizzers, sounds like the dream come true.

        Thanks for confirming.
        https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uLAAAOSw~y9ZC4wF/s-l300.jpg

  10. Tuyzentfloot
    Tuyzentfloot
    August 25, 2018, 4:16 am

    Sodastream is expanding in Belgium, I can see it in many shops, and because it does never mention a country of origin (no ‘made in land X’)I inquired with a Palestinian solidarity organisation whether this was legal. Apparently it is. It’s clear that the Israeli connection is downplayed very much.

  11. jon s
    jon s
    August 25, 2018, 3:46 pm

    Hophmi
    The boycott is anti-Israel without really being pro-Palestinian.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      August 25, 2018, 4:55 pm

      “The boycott is anti-Israel without really being pro-Palestinian.”

      Welcome to the game of States. It’s the one the Zionists wanted to play.
      Who knows, at some point what people want to do to Israel may be all out of proportion to what Israel has done to the Palestinians, huh?

      • Emet
        Emet
        August 26, 2018, 1:06 am

        Yes, Mooser, when it comes to Jews there are always double standards. It’s called antisemitism. You’ve probably have never heard about it before. Why don’t you tell us your real name. We’ll send over someone to talk to you.

      • eljay
        eljay
        August 26, 2018, 8:57 am

        || Emet: Yes, Mooser, when it comes to Jews there are always double standards. It’s called antisemitism. … ||

        I agree completely: Zionism – a honking big double-standard for Jews – is anti-Semitism and Zionists like you are anti-Semitic Jew-haters (and, of course, complete hypocrites).

        Thanks for coming clean.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        August 26, 2018, 9:47 am

        Emet: “Yes, Mooser, when it comes to Jews there are always double standards. It’s called antisemitism.”

        Or in your case: Philosemitism. Which is just the other side of the same racist coin.

        Emet: “Why don’t you tell us your real name. We’ll send over someone to talk to you.”

        Is that Israel’s police state mentality? Or do you just want to sound like Gestapo?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 26, 2018, 12:57 pm

        “Is that Israel’s police state mentality? Or do you just want to sound like Gestapo?”

        Don’t be alarmed. It may look nasty, but it’s just our favorite indoor sport, religious-political backbiting.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 26, 2018, 12:58 pm

        “We’ll send over someone to talk to you.”

        Are you sending over a Rabbi, or do you have a rent-an-antisemite service? Don’t quite get this.

  12. jon s
    jon s
    August 25, 2018, 3:52 pm

    Pepsi has been active in Israel for decades, making and selling their products.
    Along with practically every other global corporation.

  13. edwardm
    edwardm
    August 27, 2018, 12:19 pm

    Which Israeli inventions? The microchip and cell phone are both American inventions. Texting originated in Finland.
    Laproscopy? Sweden.

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-1948-n-y-times-letter-by-einstein-slams-begin-1.5340057

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      August 28, 2018, 3:05 am

      @e

      Right. It’s all a big lie and fantasy. Nobody is buying technology from Israel more advanced then they can buy elsewhere. Especially China and India. Think about the original form of painstaking texting from Finland and compare to how people now text. Nobody is claiming Israel has a monopoly on high tech industry. but deniers like yourself look foolish when faced with the actuality

  14. bcg
    bcg
    August 27, 2018, 10:08 pm

    When talking about the Israeli economy I think it’s wrong to ignore income inequality –

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/too-many-rich-or-too-many-poor-1.5484898

    “Israel suffers high levels of economic inequality…the inequality, which in Israel is among the highest in the developed world (seventh from the top)”

    It’s like in the U.S. – the GDP is great, half the population is miserable. The question is how BDS will affect the average Israeli – that’s where any social change is likely to start- and I’m not sure how to analyze that…

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      August 28, 2018, 12:19 am

      bcg

      The question is how BDS will affect the average Israeli – that’s where any social change is likely to start- and I’m not sure how to analyze that…

      Not sure either, but the only thing I’m sure of is that it’s not the economic impact of boycott that will deliver any results (let’s see sanctions a little later.)

      The way boycotts affect the general population most, on the enemy side, in the light of what we’ve seen with South Africa to only use what we have personally experienced, seems to be:
      a near-total isolation with regard to international relations at the cultural level, ie academia, science, entertainment, sports, etc. Also, at the official international level, a consistent impression of being pariahs, with representatives of most nations very careful not to get involved, realizing that everybody but Uncle Sam has cut them out. Of course, that is not what’s usually termed “social change”.

      International sanctions can also help a lot by consolidating that sense of isolation. They won’t have any economic effect to speak of, except in sanctions at least as worldwide and serious as the US+poodles sanctions like 90s’ Iraq. Even then, we know that nothing will be really applied to Azrael, but what one wants is not so much the economic effect of sanctions as it is a wall of indifferent or hostile faces.

  15. edwardm
    edwardm
    August 28, 2018, 12:14 pm

    Forgot. Google maps is a Danish invention. Foolish is making specious claims about tech inventions easily refuted by spending about a minute on Google.
    http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-to-make-case-for-israel-and-win.html
    PS you forgot to claim the pacemaker as an Israeli invention. (it’s not)

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