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On Sunday, the Israeli settler Ari Fuld was stabbed by a Palestinian child of 17, Khalil Jabarin, at the entrance to a mall near the West Bank’s Gush Etzion Junction. Fuld was armed with a pistol, ran after Jabarin, and managed to shoot him. Jabarin was reportedly shot by others as well yet survived. Fuld succumbed to his wounds shortly after.

Fuld was a prominent right-wing pundit (here he is on Israeli News Talk Radio, hailing the detention at Ben Gurion airport of Peter Beinart and advocating that all leftists should be detained), and his American background helped him in reaching out to many Americans and other English speakers.

This piece could have been about so many other deaths in Palestine or Israel. It could have been about the six Palestinians who were murdered by Israeli forces a couple of days later, which PLO Executive Committee official Dr. Hanan Ashrawi strongly condemned:

“The deliberate murder of six Palestinians by Israeli forces in the last twenty-four hours is yet another escalation in the Israeli occupation’s brutality and inhumanity”, she said on Wednesday.

But who is listening? Who wants to hear about the deaths of Muhammad Zaghloul al-Khatib al-Rimawi, Muhammad Yousif Alayan, Muhammad Ahmad Abu Naji, Ahmad Muhammad Muhsin Omar, Naji Jamil Abu Assi and Alaa Ziyad Abu Assi? Nah, Ari Fuld, that’s the news.

Thus, the progressive Forward immediately offered not less than four articles to commemorate Fuld. Two of them were reports, but two of them were outright propaganda opinion pieces. The one, by former NYPD officer Micha Danzig, was titled: “Ari Fuld Was Not A ‘Settler’ — He Was An Innocent Victim Of Terror”. Here, Danzig is chiding outlets for mentioning Fuld as a ‘settler’ at all, because he’s just this innocent Jewish person living in ‘Judea and Samaria’, and the term ‘settler’ dehumanizes him:

By this logic, if a Jew lives in Judea and Samaria, then, the Jewish murder victim is not a normal human being whose life is sacred and precious. No, settlers are to be demonized and dehumanized, even in death.

The other opinion piece in Forward was by former IDF Spokesperson Peter Lerner, who mourns the death of his “friend” Ari Fuld, whom Lerner describes as “a passionate Israel advocate who believed in the historic Jewish right to live in our ancestors’ true homeland”. Lerner was even more directly admonishing. The title of his piece was “If You Can’t Mourn Ari Fuld, You Are An Accomplice In His Murder”. Lerner made the same point as Danzig, about mentioning the “settler”:

Many eulogized Ari, including at a beautiful, heartbreaking funeral attended by thousands. But some of the voices that I was confronted with on social media were extremely disturbing. One conveyed a lack of compassion for Ari because he was a “settler.”

Lerner was unequivocal in his condemnation of those who pedantically insist upon mentioning the political and colonialist paradigm that all this occurred under:

Don’t lecture me about occupation. Don’t lecture me about rights. Because in this argument of right and wrong, you are wrong.

In other words, we are ostensibly told that we need to look at this with completely universal, unbiased eyes, and mourn the death of this special, innocent Jew, who was murdered not for being a settler, God forbid, but simply for being a Jew.

We need to disregard the political realities which the assailant child, Yousef Jabarin, came from. Jabarin comes from the town of Yatta south of Al-Khalil (Hebron), and the attack took place about 10 km north of Al-Khalil. Haaretz noted that the parents had received message from the boy that he was going to carry out an attack – they in fact notified both the Israeli army and the Palestinian Authority. The location he had mentioned was the Al-Ibrahimi mosque, but he could not be located there – he went further north. Nonetheless, the family house was slated for demolition, as is standard procedure. Imagine that – you do what you can as a parent to handle the situation, but to no avail. You are still subject to collective punishment. Is it possible to perceive, that this kind of discriminatory reality affects a 17-year-old to the point of uncontrollable rage? But no, let’s not talk about that. Let’s just talk about Ari Fuld, and let’s not talk about those six dead Palestinians, because now is the time to mourn Ari Fuld.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also immediately jumped on the opportunity to promote the Israeli hasbara which Fuld was such a champion of, and Netanyahu was doing it in my name as well:

In the name of every citizen of Israel, I send my condolences to the family of Ari Fuld, who was murdered today in a terrorist attack in Gush Etzion. With his last strength, Ari fought heroically against the terrorist and prevented a greater tragedy. Ari was a wonderful father to four children. He was an advocate for Israel who fought to spread the truth about Israel. May his memory be a blessing.

That was the English version of his message. His Hebrew version had a little extension after the “truth about Israel” bit, it went: “for the good of the Israeli hasbara”. See, Netanyahu knows that some things you can say openly to the Hebrew speaking Israelis, but that it may be best to hide them from the goyim (for the good of the Israeli hasbara, of course – abroad, it’s best that hasbara is simply known as ‘truth’).

Haaretz noted that “Fuld was a member of a faction within the Habayit Hayehudi political party, a religious-Zionist political party. Fuld’s brother, Eitan, is the spokesman for MK Bezalel Smotrich from the same party”. 

That’s the same Smotrich with the Apartheid “Decision Plan” ultimatum for Palestinians, where they can surrender to Apartheid or emigrate. That’s the same Smotrich who justified segregation in maternity wards because he didn’t want his wife lying next to a Palestinian woman “who just gave birth to a baby that might murder her baby in another 20 years”.

This is real fascism. If you thought Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked is bad, these guys go just a bit further.

But no, all that is not to be mentioned in the heartfelt eulogies that the Forward and other Israeli apologists provide, because it spoils the mood. Fuld was not a settler, neither was he an extreme-right fascist propagandist. No, he was just an innocent Jew.

See, here’s my difficulty. I am not writing with glee about the death of a human, be they Israeli, Palestinian, Jewish, Muslim or what have you. I would definitely want to relate to humans as humans. But when these Israeli hasbarists exploit this one death for more hasbara; when they admonish us for being insensitive, or even complicit if we do not mourn, while they obviously would not even note the deaths of those killed under that self-righteous Zionist zeal – that makes me angry, and I have to push back. They are telling me I’m being inhumane by being so focused on anything but Ari Fuld’s (Jewish) pure humanity, while Palestinians are systematically being dehumanized to death by the very ideology that Ari Fuld was championing and is being openly remembered for.

I am sorry for Ari Fuld’s death, for his family and his loved ones. But there’s a lot more to be sorry for, and those who cannot think about anyone but Ari Fuld just don’t seem to care about that.

h/t Michael Lesher

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  1. bcg
    bcg
    September 21, 2018, 11:48 am

    “Who wants to hear about the deaths of Muhammad Zaghloul al-Khatib al-Rimawi, Muhammad Yousif Alayan, Muhammad Ahmad Abu Naji, Ahmad Muhammad Muhsin Omar, Naji Jamil Abu Assi and Alaa Ziyad Abu Assi? Nah, Ari Fuld, that’s the news.”

    Jonathan, you don’t understand – Jewish blood is worth more than Palestinian blood.
    Gideon Levy in Haaretz – “Now Israel Has A Race Law”:

    …it is a real race law, according to the unavoidable interpretation of the court of the nation-state law. From now on, two types of blood exist in Israel: Jewish blood and non-Jewish blood, on the law books as well. The price of these two types of blood is also different. Jewish blood is priceless, it must be protected in every possible way. Non-Jewish blood is terrifyingly cheap, it can be shed like water. A situation that existed until now only de facto, with different standards and punishments for Jews and others, is from today by court decree.

    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-now-israel-has-a-race-law-1.6492061

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      September 21, 2018, 3:40 pm

      “From now on, two types of blood exist in Israel: Jewish blood and non-Jewish blood, on the law books as well.”

      And it’s not as if these two blood types cannot be easily told apart with simple genetic tests. The Jewish blood can be instantly recognized by the predominance of Eastern European, Mediterranean and Turkic genetic markers.
      Thus bearing out the Jewish right to Palestine!

      • SwedishMarkus
        SwedishMarkus
        September 23, 2018, 3:57 pm

        @Mooser — Wow! Even though most Israelis are actually from Middle Eastern countries? How fascinating! And what do you mean by “Turkic”?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 24, 2018, 4:53 pm

        “Even though most Israelis are actually from Middle Eastern countries? “

        Funny how it ended up that way.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      September 22, 2018, 10:11 am

      @beg, et al

      Meanwhile, just received from a Canadian friend:

      Toronto Palestine Film Festival
      September 20th to 23rd, 2018

      Official program: http://www.tpff.ca/program-2018/

      TPFF opens with “Naila & The Uprising”
      Preview:

      “Q&A to follow with director Julia Bacha and Naila Ayesh”

      “We are thrilled to be opening this year’s festival with the Canadian premiere of Naila & the Uprising by Julia Bacha tonight, Sep 20 at 7:00 PM (co-presented with Human Rights Watch Film Festival & Cleo Journal).

      “The film chronicles the remarkable journey of Naila Ayesh whose story weaves through the most vibrant, nonviolent mobilization in Palestinian history – the First Intifada in the late 1980s. This film tells the story that history overlooked – of an unbending, nonviolent women’s movement at the head of Palestine’s struggle for freedom.”

  2. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    September 21, 2018, 9:12 pm

    It is a troubling thought that my general attitude seems closer to J. Ofir than it is to Peter Lerner’s. I wouldn’t have commented here just to mention that, but I personally know Ari Fuld’s family, specifically his father, who comes from the same neighborhood in Queens, New York, where my parents moved to in my teenage years. The last time a victim of the bloodshed of the conflict was someone I knew was Dr. David Applebaum who was murdered in 2003 in Jerusalem by Hamas on the eve of his daughter’s wedding (together with his daughter). Not that such personal knowledge of the victims lends greater credence to my reaction. But there is in fact a certain intangible poignancy when such familiarity exists. I wish the bloodshed would cease and peace could be found between the Palestinians and the Zionist Jews (or the Yehudi people, as I might put it, in another mood.) There is little reason for optimism, but the filmmakers of the documentary “The Oslo Diaries”, have not lost hope, so neither should I. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-there-are-apparently-people-on-the-other-side-to-talk-to-1.6473201

    • Jonathan Ofir
      Jonathan Ofir
      September 22, 2018, 2:35 am

      Wondering jew, here’s a heavy critique of the “Oslo Diaries”: https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/diaries-telling-story-tel-aviv-oslo-180912175742258.html

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        September 22, 2018, 2:17 pm

        J. Ofir- The critique in Al Jazeera was read by me.

        But I write in order to offer a few words on Oslo.
        Let me make use of the peace camp’s use of the Sadat analogy, as in: just as Sadat made peace there will be a Palestinian leader who will make peace.
        There were three public acts involved in the Sadat Begin peace treaty signed on the white house lawn: 1. Sadat’s arrival in Jerusalem, 2. The emergence from Camp David with a framework for an agreement and 3. The signing of the peace treaty in washington.
        The sadat arrival had a strong psychological effect, breaking a taboo. In terms of the Arab world it would take years for them to reconcile with Egypt’s separate peace treaty with Israel (if they ever did so). The Sadat visit’s primary impact was on Israel. There was no act analogous to that which could have been duplicated by Arafat. The handshake on the white house lawn might have been as surprising to the eyes as the sight of sadat speaking to the knesset, but surprise is not what was needed. There was nothing arafat could do to put pressure on israel similar to the pressure that sadat exerted by his visit.
        Regarding the hoped for Arafat Rabin peace treaty there were to be five years of negotiations after the white house lawn handshake, with everything of essence still vague and this gap between the Arafat Rabin attempt and the Begin Sadat success is the greatest cause for its failure. It would have been best to leave the negotiations secret until an agreement or a real framework could have been sculpted. The facts were that Rabin was not ready for a real framework and it is a bit of a leap to think that arafat was ready for a real framework and so this five year gap was written instead of waiting for a real framework. that somehow the psychological effect of the white house lawn handshake would propel the momentum towards a framework that they were unprepared for on day 1 and after five years of that trajectory, they would be prepared for it on day 365 x5. But that handshake was insufficient for any such trajectory, certainly in terms of the Israeli Jewish public.

        The Israeli Jewish public (in reaction to Arafat Rabin) was split as follows: 1/3rd in rabid opposition. 1/3 in skepticism and 1/3 in optimism. The attempt to delay for five years the tough negotiations proved fatal. Arafat was not going to behave like Rabin wanted him in order to win over the 1/3 of the middle and the 1/3rd in rabid opposition was stronger than any other force (in the end) with Goldstein and Yigal Amir.

        To delay the framework for some point in the future was the main fatal flaw.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 22, 2018, 5:18 pm

        “But I write in order to offer a few words on Oslo…/…To delay the framework for some point in the future was the main fatal flaw.”

        Why don’t Zionist sites have comments this thoughtful and filled with such humane sentiments?

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      September 22, 2018, 10:17 am

      @wondering jew

      Spare us. Ari Fuld was a racist/fascist Zionist brutally and illegally occupying an other people’s land. His fate at the hands of a teenage member of the indigenous resistance is hardly surprising.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      September 22, 2018, 1:45 pm

      “But there is in fact a certain intangible poignancy when such familiarity exists”

      That’s high-class feelings there. It’s not everybody who can feel the “intangible poignancy” of familiarity.

      Hey “Yonah” let’s look at the really sad part of the story. Who is there among the present generation who can replace such a man?

  3. oldgeezer
    oldgeezer
    September 21, 2018, 9:14 pm

    I’m sorry for his loved ones and family. I feel no sorrow for his death. He was part of the machinery and crime of oppression. Thankfully he was removed from the equation.

  4. chocopie
    chocopie
    September 21, 2018, 10:10 pm

    I hadn’t even heard about the murders of those six Palestinian men. Imagine, six people wiped out with barely any public notice or accountability, one of them roused from his bed to be beaten to death, others killed seemingly at random, with no concern for the value of their lives. And all those people who killed them walking around free with no repercussions, killers on the loose, free to do it again.

  5. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    September 22, 2018, 12:26 am

    « Ari Fuld, whom Lerner describes as “a passionate Israel advocate who believed in the historic Jewish right to live in our ancestors’ true homeland”. Lerner was even more directly admonishing. The title of his piece was “If You Can’t Mourn Ari Fuld, You Are An Accomplice In His Murder”. Lerner made the same point as Danzig, about mentioning the “settler”: »

    There are no settlers in the ancestral homeland and Gush Etzion is no different to Tel Aviv and the Palestinians are untouchables. In Hebrew.
    Zionism doesn’t mind Jews dying because it bolsters the narrative. In Hebrew. I think Catalan said Israel is in control. Nobody is in control.

  6. Boris
    Boris
    September 22, 2018, 1:12 am

    Ari Fuld was killed while shopping.

    All your Arab friends were killed while attacking Israelis or engaging in some other terrorist activity.

    If you don’t understand the difference, then the words are useless.

    • annie
      annie
      September 22, 2018, 7:44 am

      all our arab friends? that is a lie. israel has bombed kids playing soccer, pregnant women sleeping in their beds. did it ever occur to you fuld was targeted specifically? who knows, he was an inciteful human being. karma.

      • catalan
        catalan
        September 22, 2018, 8:55 am

        “who knows, he was an inciteful human being. karma”. Annie
        First the bravado when you get someone killed. Then, when the inevitable response comes, the whining and handwringing. What goes around comes around. His death will be avenged tenfold and the vengeance will feel so good.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 22, 2018, 1:49 pm

        “His death will be avenged tenfold and the vengeance will feel so good.”

        “catalan”, “catalan”, where the “love”? Just a few comments ago, you had nothing but love and a good professional position, and now you are all revenge?

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      September 22, 2018, 8:05 am

      He was killed while engaged in perpetrating violations of international humanitarian law. He was armed. He was a thug and a valid target. The sun shines a little brighter.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      September 22, 2018, 9:56 am

      @Boris

      Oh, boo-hoo. A prominent armed Zionist thug of foreign origin illegally and brutally occupying land that belongs to the Palestinians is assassinated by a teenage member of the resistance. Gee, I wonder why. Your hypocrisy is beyond words.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      September 22, 2018, 5:20 pm

      “Ari Fuld was killed while shopping.”

      And he was praying while he shopped, too.

    • catalan
      catalan
      September 22, 2018, 6:40 pm

      “and now you are all revenge?” Mooser
      That’s fair – the gloating over the death of a human because he was maybe “inciteful” (that’s not actually a word) got to me. Vengeance won’t fix anything, obviously. Point taken.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        September 22, 2018, 11:23 pm

        @catalan

        ” His death will be avenged tenfold and the vengeance will feel so good.”

        “Vengeance won’t fix anything, obviously. Point taken.”

        One second you are revealing in the thought of the price of vengeance, the next you aren’t.

        You are a fake and fraud as you have been from the beginning.

        You are perfect evidence of the depth of depravity to which zionists sink. Not just willing but they go there each and every day.

        You aren’t nazis. They targeted Jewish people as well as others. zionists only target “bad” Jews who don’t get with the programme.

        Scum the earth. Even the liberal kind.

      • annie
        annie
        September 23, 2018, 12:13 am

        old geezer, what i find bizarre is the hasbara about “he was an inciteful human being” as “bravado” and some bs about “gloating over the death of a human” (where?). huh? there’s no gloating or bravado, it’s merely a statement of fact he was inciteful. or maybe he thought “karma” was a statement of bravado. and where is the so called “whining and handwringing”? truly i am mystified. even the “His death will be avenged tenfold and the vengeance will feel so good” sounds like something might happen in the future, when it’s ever so obvious the israelis already went out and killed for retribution/vengeance. maybe he missed it — or didn’t even read the article:

        “The deliberate murder of six Palestinians by Israeli forces in the last twenty-four hours is yet another escalation in the Israeli occupation’s brutality and inhumanity”, she said on Wednesday.

        But who is listening? Who wants to hear about the deaths of Muhammad Zaghloul al-Khatib al-Rimawi, Muhammad Yousif Alayan, Muhammad Ahmad Abu Naji, Ahmad Muhammad Muhsin Omar, Naji Jamil Abu Assi and Alaa Ziyad Abu Assi? Nah, Ari Fuld, that’s the news.

        so this is revenge that “feel so good”? killing random palestinians. most of his comments i just gloss over nowadays. he’s not worthy. ignore him. scumoftheearth.

      • catalan
        catalan
        September 23, 2018, 12:30 pm

        “he’s not worthy. ignore him. scumoftheearth.” Annie
        The whole anti-Israel argument summarized – personal insults (as nasty as possible), boycott everything (Nestle, Starbucks, the Gap), obtuse and empty moral discussions (we are good, they are bad, with using big words), endless quotes (find someone famous who said something sometime and quote it without context), Jews whine too much (the Jews weren’t the only victims), Jews are capitalists (the 1 percent, the Lobby controls everything), Jews are international socialists (destroying countries through immigration), and most important, we are winning, they are losing (Israel loses every war but somehow is still around so they are doomed but they are not doomed). Endless iterations of the same. Also constantly repeat the words Hasbara and Zionism.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 23, 2018, 5:38 pm

        “The whole anti-Israel argument summarized “ “Catalan”

        See that? You may ignore the man, but you do so at your own peril!!

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 24, 2018, 11:17 am

        Catalan: “Endless iterations of the same.”

        I agree. That’s called adaption to the endless iteration of bogus Zionist pseudo arguments.

  7. Kay24
    Kay24
    September 22, 2018, 5:31 am

    Anyone being killed for no valid reason is wrong, but Israel cannot keep the occupation and brutality going, collective punish Palestinians, and make them suffer, and not expect anger and a backlash. There are thousands of angry kids desperate to live normal lives among the occupied.

    Here is some positive action by Spain, who wants to recognize Palestine as a state:

    https://www.juancole.com/2018/09/recognize-palestinian-acceptance.html

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      September 22, 2018, 10:00 am

      @Kay24

      Also:
      http://daysofpalestine.com/post/11297/ireland-officially-approves-ban-on-israeli-products?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

      “Ireland officially approves ban on Israeli products”

      “‘Israeli settlements are war crimes, and it’s time for Ireland to show some leadership and refuse to support them,’ the bill said.”
      Sep 19 2018

      EXCERPT:
      “Ireland’s senate has voted in favour of a bill banning the importation of products from occupied Palestinian territories, paving the way for the country to become the first EU nation to enforce a boycott.”

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        September 22, 2018, 2:25 pm

        I am always impressed by Ireland. It keeps taking the lead in many issues, and are very sympathetic towards the Palestinians. Hope other nations had such courage, but none to be seen so far.

  8. bcg
    bcg
    September 22, 2018, 9:04 am

    This seems relevant – (Sept 21)

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/gaza-children-killed-israeli-snipers-air-attack

    “Gaza children killed by Israeli snipers, air attack…Amnesty International has said it has not found any evidence of protesters posing a threat to the lives of soldiers behind the fence that would justify the use of deadly force.”

    But it’s Palestinian blood so it won’t be reported in the mainstream press.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      September 22, 2018, 10:28 am

      @beg

      Also:

      https://israelpalestinenews.org/in-under-24-hrs-israeli-soldiers-kill-4-civilians-one-a-child-who-posed-no-threat-and-its-not-friday/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=744fdf5a-b606-4d97-8732-7fdf2dc9af4e

      If Americans Knew, Sept. 18/18
      “In under 24 hrs, Israeli soldiers kill 4 civilians (one a child) who posed no threat (and it’s not Friday.”)

      EXCERPT:
      “Israeli soldiers with live fire and tear gas, warplanes, and drones combined efforts to interrupt nonviolent actions near the Gaza border, resulting in 4 civilian deaths and dozens of injuries. Israel claimed that in one case, ‘saboteurs’ approached the fence and ‘planted a suspicious object near it’ (later refuted); in the other case, soldiers fired at a group of peaceful demonstrators.

      “PCHR calls upon the ICC Prosecutor to open an official investigation into these crimes and to hold accountable all those involved.

      “Israeli soldiers also committed another particularly heinous crime in the West Bank today.”

      “From Palestinian Center for Human Rights”

      “Within less than 24 hours, Israeli forces killed 4 Palestinian civilians, including a child, and wounded 44 others, including 7 children, 2 women, 3 journalists and 2 paramedics, in 2 separate crimes.

      “The first was in the southern Gaza Strip, when Israeli warplanes launched missiles to kill 2 civilians; one of them was a child, without any justification or threat to the life of soldiers; the second was in the northern Gaza Strip when Israeli forces used excessive force against peaceful protesters near Beit Hanoun ‘Erez’ Crossing.”

  9. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 22, 2018, 10:11 am

    I do not relish or take any pleasure in a situation where for whatever reason innocent young children lose a parent. The parent in this case however was an arrogant strutting vicious ex IDF thug who probably during his 23 yr IDF service (nb he enlisted in the Israeli army not the US Army – what a truly patriotic American ) brutalised ,tortured , wounded and killed innocent Palestinian men women and children and delighted in the experience. Fuld was a war criminal and as with Adolf Eichmann and his like the world is a much better place without him. As for his wife and his adult relatives well if they were to find it within themselves to recognise the causes of the young Palestinian`s rage and for example condemn the upcoming demolition of his home (a routine Zionist war crime ) then I would have some sympathy for them. I doubt that will be the case.

    • SwedishMarkus
      SwedishMarkus
      September 23, 2018, 4:05 pm

      This guy was not on the same level as Adolf Eichmann, not even close. Also, if everyone could just stop comparing Jews to Nazis, that’d be great.

      Of all the oppressive murderous regimes to which you could compare Israel, why’s it always gotta be the Nazis?

      I think I know why…

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 24, 2018, 11:35 am

        SwedishMarkus: “Also, if everyone could just stop comparing Jews to Nazis, that’d be great.”

        Shlomo Shmelzman wouldn’t agree:
        “In my childhood I have suffered fear, hunger and humiliation when I passed from the Warsaw Ghetto, through labour camps, to Buchenwald. Today, as a citizen of Israel, I cannot accept the systematic destruction of cities, towns and refugee camps. I cannot accept the technocratic cruelty of the bombing, destroying and killing of human beings.

        I hear too many familiar sounds today, sounds which are being amplified by the war. I hear “dirty Arabs” and I remember “dirty Jews”. I hear about “closed areas” and I remember ghettos and camps. I hear “two-legged beasts” and I remember “Untermenschen” (subhumans). I hear about tightening the siege, clearing the area, pounding the city into submission and I remember suffering, destruction, death, blood and murder… Too many things in Israel remind me of too many things from my childhood.” (Chomsky, The Fateful Triangle, p. 257)

        So why should everyone else?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 24, 2018, 3:30 pm

        “I think I know why…”

        You don’t want to know.

      • SwedishMarkus
        SwedishMarkus
        September 29, 2018, 5:35 pm

        @Talkback — So?! Just because you managed to find one Jew who thinks the comparison is apt doesn’t make it okay. You are essentially saying that Jews deserved the Holocaust because they were just as bad as the Nazis.

        @Mooser — No, I do. I mean, I have my theories. What do you say? What is the reason?

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 30, 2018, 1:12 am

        “You are essentially saying that Jews deserved the Holocaust because they were just as bad as the Nazis.”

        He isn’t saying anything of the sort. You are just being silly.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 30, 2018, 4:35 am

        SwedishMarkus: “@Talkback — So?! Just because you managed to find one Jew who thinks the comparison is apt doesn’t make it okay.”

        In Israel, growing fascism and a racism akin to early Nazism
        https://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/.premium-in-israel-growing-fascism-and-a-racism-akin-to-early-nazism-1.5746488

        Germany’s new Nazis see Israel as role model
        https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/germanys-new-nazis-see-israel-role-model

        The Israeli general who compared the Jewish State to Nazi-era Germany
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/08/the-israeli-general-who-compared-the-jewish-state-to-nazi-era-germany/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6ccab160a3cd

        SwedishMarkus: “You are essentially saying that Jews deserved the Holocaust because they were just as bad as the Nazis.”

        You are essentially lying. In fact some Jews even think that they are allowed to be (nearly) as bad as the Nazis, because of the Holocaust.

  10. amigo
    amigo
    September 22, 2018, 3:13 pm

    “Many eulogized Ari, including at a beautiful, heartbreaking funeral attended by thousands.”.

    Yawn.

    “No, settlers are to be demonized and dehumanized, even in death.”.

    Double yawn.

    • gamal
      gamal
      September 22, 2018, 5:10 pm

      “Double yawn”

      and also you won’t be strolling around Zagazig after seizing our land either, strangers better learn how to behave themselves. River of Egypt, insolent fuckers.

  11. Talkback
    Talkback
    September 22, 2018, 6:27 pm

    “By this logic, if a Jew lives in Judea and Samaria, then, the Jewish murder victim is not a normal human being whose life is sacred and precious. No, settlers are to be demonized and dehumanized, even in death.”

    Well, he could have said that if someone lives in occupied territories he still is a normal human being whose life is sacred and precious and that nobody should be demonized and dehumanized, even in death. But that wouldn’t be supremacist.

  12. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 23, 2018, 7:42 am

    For a full flavour of Mr. Fuld:

    Can`t find any information on his background ie where in Europe his family came from you know the place they ended up after being driven out by those nasty Romans. In fact come to think of it it is rare to find fruitcase Zionists presenting their family lineage alleged or otherwise much before the end of the 19th century (conversion skeletons in cupboards perhaps ?). He was evidently a self made historian as in making things up to fit the nonsense he spouts. Apparently it was the British “queen or king” who authorised Sir(not Lord) Balfour to “create a Jewish State in Palestine(@2.00). Having referred to Palestine he spends most of the video denying that there is or was a Palestine.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      September 23, 2018, 11:21 pm

      @os

      You obviously haven’t heard of DNA genetic searches. Millions of non Ashkenazi Christians have traced their ancestors back top Neanderthal, Aryan, Arab, Asian so that you have a big problem with anybody tracing their ancestry beyond the 19th century (and I certainly can) you are sadly misinformed, bigoted, racist ignorant and possibly all.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        September 23, 2018, 11:51 pm

        Btw: the gist of what he explains is not generally disputed by any of the parties to the conflict because they can’t be. It’s true the fuld made some errors of terms and names. He said “nation ” while balfour said ; homeland. To some it’s a trivial difference but like the US second amendment to the two sides the definition is tantamount. That the PLO was founded before there were any settlements is just a plain statement. What Arafat was is up to the individual.
        But again, there is nothing all that controversial in what he said. In fact, the blind Palestinian scholar(in another mw article) admits much the same without betraying any truth or his people.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 24, 2018, 11:13 am

        DaBakr: “You obviously haven’t heard of DNA genetic searches.”

        I did. So whose ancient Hebrew was found to compare your DNA to? And if ancient DNA was found who can determine that it was Hebrew? ROFL.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 24, 2018, 4:49 pm

        “Millions of non Ashkenazi Christians have traced their ancestors back top Neanderthal,”

        And so have millions of Askenazi Christians!

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      September 24, 2018, 12:35 pm

      Fuld comes across as having been a totally deranged lunatic. And totally dishonest as well.

  13. DaBakr
    DaBakr
    September 23, 2018, 11:10 pm

    Ari is a hero to millions of Israelis. He understood that there were chances of exactly what happened happening and he kept calm and took what final action he could. So of course Israel is talking about it. It’s an idiotic accusation that could only possibly raise a ruckus of indignation on a site such as MW or a couple others. Ofirs complaint would be laughed at in even left wing circles. Anybody who isn’t equally aware of what a hero Khalil (the little tiny baby child murderer charging a long blade deeply into a husky body of big scary monster man). In fact, that he chose Fuld and not the small woman selling him hummus that he may well deserve some consideration for that. Except for reports that he was running directly towards the sane e woman after his first stabbing. Regardless of who he killed, he will be regarded a great hero to millions of his own muslim arab peoples.

    I think the reason ofir is so excited about this one is ari fulfills the archetypal Israeli soldier/man cliche that zionist haters slaver to ridicule. the baron-cohen mossad farce, the Fauda myth, Ariel Sharon. So yeah, I think if the murderer is alive and will be paid and honoured then it’s totally appropriate to honour the victims memory and accomplishments. ofir understands this but just doesn’t like it because it reeks of double standards he can’t weave away by implying the killer was a “child” The most cynical of the palestinian hasbara propaganda campaigns that ofir to serve up. paint 16-19 yr old militants or killers as children, babies almost, while portraying the same teenage israeli Jews and druze as brutal coldhearted genocidal soldiers(except breaking the silence) . Ari Fuld took his responsibility as a mature man to nurture and educate young Israeli soldiers so that at some point neither Jewish soldier babies nor palestinian militant babies don’t keep killing and being killed.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      September 24, 2018, 11:29 am

      ” Jewish soldier babies”

      I was going to respond to this incoherent rant, but looking at the sheer insanity of the above three words, I now realise that there simply is no point.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 24, 2018, 3:28 pm

        “I now realise that there simply is no point.”

        Who can reply to a mutter?

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        September 25, 2018, 1:53 am

        @mx

        You like the Ofirs portrayal of the stabbing murderer khalil as a ” child”then you had best learn to stick it up when an adolescent Israeli soldier is also referred to as a child. It’s as ridiculously apparent that both characterizations are idiotic. That you don’t understand the paradox makes it hard to believe you could understand the concept of insanity

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        September 25, 2018, 10:33 am

        Who is ‘mx’? A Jewish soldier baby perhaps?

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 25, 2018, 11:18 am

        I agree with TheBaker that Khalil Jabarin should not be described as a child. (Teenager, maybe, but not child.)

        And I suspect that TheBaker will agree with me that young Mr. Jabarin should be held accountable for his actions. (A fair trial, not a summary execution.)

        But I know that TheBaker won’t (and can’t) agree with me that all non-/Jewish (war) criminals – including supremacist colonists like Mr. Fuld, were he still alive – should be held accountable for their actions.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 25, 2018, 12:53 pm

        “That you don’t understand the paradox makes”

        Tho’ counting by the usual way, years twenty-one you’ve been alive, but reckoning by your natal day, you are a little boy of five! A paradox, a paradox, a most ingenious paradox.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 25, 2018, 1:48 pm

        eljay: “I agree with TheBaker that Khalil Jabarin should not be described as a child.”

        He is a child (minor) from a legal point of view as reflected in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child which the Apartheid Junta flagrantly violates 24/7 when it comes to nonjewish minors.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 25, 2018, 1:52 pm

        DaBakr: “You like the Ofirs portrayal of the stabbing murderer khalil as a ” child” …”

        Ari Fuld was a victim of Israel who puts its Jewish civilians in occupied territories as human shields.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        September 25, 2018, 7:50 pm

        @ej

        You would be correct. I am certain that khalil will not be executed and he will have a military trial. I am certain that he will have the opportunity to study in prison, get a high school and perhaps college degree. I agree his sentence will most likely be harsh but his family will be well provided for in service to his people.

        of course I do not agree that the dead israeli should have been held accountable to anybody but his creator for what he did with his life up until he was run through wth a machete. Of course your free to judge him on any standard you choose.

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 26, 2018, 7:15 am

        || @Daba:
        @ej

        You would be correct. … ||

        Of course. It doesn’t take much imagination to know that you don’t want to hold all Jewish (war) criminals accountable for their crimes.

        But I must admit I’m surprised that you don’t want to hold all non-Jewish (war) criminals accountable for their crimes.

        || … of course I do not agree that the dead israeli should have been held accountable to anybody but his creator for what he did with his life up until he was run through wth a machete. Of course your free to judge him on any standard you choose. ||

        Wow, what a truly powerful and moving rejection of something I neither wrote nor implied. It seems that 24/7 aggressor-victimhood really does a number on the (already messed-up) Zionist brain.

  14. eljay
    eljay
    September 25, 2018, 2:21 pm

    || Talkback: … He is a child (minor) from a legal point of view as reflected in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child which the Apartheid Junta flagrantly violates 24/7 when it comes to nonjewish minors. ||

    No dispute there.

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