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The Israeli government has recently claimed that it can “legislate anywhere in the world”, that it is “entitled to violate the sovereignty of foreign countries”, and that “is allowed to ignore the directives of international law in any field it desires”. This was written in an official response letter to the Supreme Court last month.

On the face of it, these are audacious claims. Is it really that bad? I would say that it’s even worse. The background to these statements is a new law from last year, which legalizes outright theft of Palestinian land.

Several Palestinian human rights organizations have challenged the law in court. The plaintiffs are Adalah, the Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights Jerusalem Legal Aid and Human Rights Center (JLAC), and Al Mezan Center for Human Rights (Gaza) on behalf of 17 local Palestinian authorities in the West Bank. The Israeli government was represented by a private lawyer, Harel Arnon, because Attorney General Avichai Mandelblit refused to defend the law in court, since he deemed it illegal by international law already when it was first passed.

The Settlement Regularization Law was passed in February last year, in order to retroactively legalize thousands of settler homes and structures built on Palestinian private land, to avert the possibility that the Supreme Court might one day sanction their removal. Before the law was passed, Israeli law still considered such structures illegal, even though under international law, absolutely all the settlements are a flagrant violation of international law, be they located on private land or not.

It was not only Haaretz that called the law a “theft law” – it was also longtime Likudniks such as lawmaker Benny Begin; Former Likud minister Dan Meridor called it “evil and dangerous”; even Prime Minister Netanyahu was warning that passing it may end up getting Israeli officials to the International Criminal Court in The Hague; attorney General Avichai Mandelblit’s stated refusal to defend the law in court was met with reassurance by Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked that the state could simply get a private attorney (which it did). The contentious matter was not only the theft itself – but the application of Israeli law enacted directly by the Knesset (rather than by the Military occupation authority), that was seen as a precedence leading to de-facto annexation. As Dan Meridor wrote in his Haaretz opinion piece just ahead of the final vote on the law:

“The Knesset has never enacted legislation regulating Arabs’ property ownership in Judea and Samaria. The Knesset was elected by Israelis and legislates for them. The Arabs of Judea and Samaria did not vote for the Knesset, and it has no authority to legislate for them. These are basic principles of democracy and Israeli law. As a rule, elected officials legislate for their constituents and those within the area of their jurisdiction, not others. No government in Israel has applied its sovereignty to the West Bank – not former Likud prime ministers Menachem Begin or Yitzhak Shamir. They understood the obvious: If you want to pass legislation for the West Bank, you have to extend your sovereignty and allow the residents of Judea and Samaria the right to become citizens and vote in Knesset elections. And the meaning is clear.”

I should add a critical note here about Meridor’s central claim – that it is in fact erroneous regarding the West Bank, in that East Jerusalem is by international law a part of the West Bank, and Israel has applied its sovereignty unilaterally upon it (de facto since 1967, and in quasi-constitutional basic law in 1980, in defiance of international law and UNSC resolutions). The fact that Meridor simply considers East Jerusalem a part of Israel, and now goes to admonish Israel for basically doing the same (de facto annexation) regarding the rest of the West Bank, only goes to show that this is a case of the blind leading the blind.

But let us now return to the recent ‘theft law’ legislation from last year: The pressure to legitimize Israel’s own crimes became too great to oppose even from the (more conservative) right. The looming ‘danger’ that Meridor mentioned, of enacting de-facto annexation and possibly having to extend Palestinians the right to become citizens, was overweighed by the greed for the land. Israel’s famous equation of “maximum Jews, maximum territory, minimum Palestinians” came this time to mean that Israel would risk enacting state legislation in an area where Jews were still generally not a majority, in the hope that it would help them become it. Thus the law was passed by 60-52, and the land-grab was made legal by the Israeli Knesset. It was estimated that the law would retroactively legalize about 4,000 settler homes.

In the recent court case, the plaintiffs challenging the law pointed to the obvious illegality:

“Adalah and fellow petitioners argued that the Knesset is not permitted to enact and impose laws on territory occupied by the State of Israel. Thus, the Knesset cannot enact laws that annex the West Bank or that violate the rights of Palestinian residents of the West Bank.”

The State of Israel, in the recent response letter (Hebrew) to the court (filed August 7th), claimed in its defense that:

[1] ‘The Knesset has no limitation which prevents it from legislating extra-territorially anywhere in the world, including the area [‘Judea and Samaria’]’.

Having made that statement, the Israeli government goes on to rebuff the plaintiffs’ claim that it cannot legislate there and goes further to suggest that it is not at all subject to the directives of international law:

[4] ‘…Although the Knesset can legislate [concerning] any place in the world, although it is entitled to violate the sovereignty of foreign countries through legislation that would be applied to events occurring in their territories […], although it is within the authority of the Government of Israel to annex any territory […], although the Knesset may ignore directives of international law in any area it pleases […] despite all these, the plaintiffs seek to define a “rule” by which precisely in Judea and Samaria the Knesset is prohibited from legislating anything, and that precisely there, and nowhere else in the world, it is subject to the directives of international law’.

Adalah Attorneys Suhad Bishara and Myssana Morany, were in disbelief:

“The Israeli government’s extremist response has no parallel anywhere in the world. It stands in gross violation of international law and of the United Nations Charter which obligates member states to refrain from threatening or using force against the territorial integrity of other states – including occupied territories. The Israeli government’s extremist position is, in fact, a declaration of its intention to proceed with its annexation of the West Bank.”

Adalah has posted about this and provided some quotes from the above. You would think that such proclamations by the Israeli government would really hit the mainstream news cycle, yet it seems to have so far gone relatively unnoticed.

Several of my contacts have responded to this little-reported news with a certain disbelief – could it really be that Israel is openly stating that it is above international law?

Indeed, as I had mentioned above, it is not exactly a secret that Israel is now acting in brazen defiance of international law. Its own highest legal authorities are completely aware of it. But what we also need to see is that it has been doing this for a very long time, in fact, since its inception. As I had mentioned at the time of the passing of the Regularization Law, legalizing the theft of Palestinian land has been Israeli policy since day 1. Attorney Harel Arnon was using this notion as precedence in defense of the recent law, noting (in pt. 4):

“The honourable court has never passed legal critique upon central legislation of the Knesset also in cases where it contradicted, by the method of the plaintiffs, the directives of international law in cases which were more clear (the enactment of Israeli legislation in the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem)”…

That’s a very valid point. Israel’s unilateral annexations of the Syrian Golan and East Jerusalem are direct violations of international law, and they are condemned very clearly in United Nations Security Council resolutions. If the Israeli court approved it then, why should it not approve it now?

Attorney Arnon used a Supreme Court quote from an earlier case (pt. 12), where the court opined that “the mere enactment of a random Israeli norm upon an anonymous place outside the country, does not necessarily make that anonymous place a part of Israel.” This was relating to the West Bank, where Israel indeed enacts Israeli law upon settlers, even in places where it has not annexed territory.

See, this is part of the basis by which Arnon claims that “Israel can legislate anywhere in the world”. The essence of this is “if we could do it before, why cant we do it now”?

This point should be taken very seriously. The Israeli Supreme Court has often been perceived as a tool of the Israeli occupation. Thus even in very clear cases such as the 2004 International Court of Justice Advisory Opinion on Israel’s ‘security barrier’, where the ICJ deemed it wholly illegal (because it was mostly built on Palestinian, not Israeli, territory), the Supreme Court still managed to deflect this and claim that international law did not apply to Israel in this way. The Supreme Court has repeatedly managed to avoid and deflect these bigger issues and allow for Israel’s continued creeping annexation. This is a current, ongoing issue. Israel is preparing to demolish the Palestinian West Bank village of Khan al Ahmar, with the approval and sanction of the Supreme Court. B’Tselem:

“On Thursday, 24 May 2018, three Israeli Supreme Court justices – Noam Sohlberg, Anat Baron and Yael Willner – ruled that the state may demolish the homes of the community of Khan al-Ahmar, transfer the residents from their homes and relocate them. This ruling removes the last stumbling block in Israel’s way in the matter, lifting the impediment which had thus far served to defer the transfer of the community, a war crime under international law”;

“The Israeli Supreme Court in the Service of the Occupation: In their ruling, Justices Amit, Meltzer, and Baron described an imaginary world with an egalitarian planning system that takes into account the needs of the Palestinians, as if there had never been an occupation. The reality is diametrically opposed to this fantasy: Palestinians cannot build legally and are excluded from the decision-making mechanisms that determine how their lives will look. The planning systems are intended solely for the benefit of the settlers. This ruling shows once again that those under occupation cannot seek justice in the occupier’s courts. If the demolition of the community of Khan al-Ahmar goes ahead, the Supreme Court Justices will be among those who will bear responsibility for this war crime” (my emphasis).

Attorney Arnon brought up the Adolf Eichmann case in the response letter:

“The Court further implemented this doctrine in the famous Eichmann (1962) case, regarding ex post facto penal legislation: ‘[W]here [there is a conflict between the provisions of domestic law and a rule of international law], it is the duty of the court to give preference to and apply the laws of the local legislature”.

It is smart to bring up the Holocaust in Israel. There’s often a particularly soft spot for that, and that can spill over to melt the ‘pedantic’ limitations of customary law. Eichmann was indeed kidnapped by Mossad in Argentina, 1960. He was given the death sentence in Israel and hanged in 1962. This is extra-territorial spy activity and extra-territorial enactment of jurisdiction. As it involved the Holocaust, few would dare challenge it. This lines up with Golda Meir’s claim that “after the Holocaust, Jews are allowed to do anything.”

And so Israel’s private attorney Harel Arnon is essentially saying: if we could do it to Eichmann, why can’t we do it to the West Bank?

Arnon is not directly implying that Palestinians are Nazis, although such comparisons do occasionally feature in opinions of leading pundits in Israel, such as those of Yoaz Hendel, former director of communications and public diplomacy for Prime Minister Netanyahu.

All this may go to explain the relative media silence there has been about the proclamations made in this letter. The world knows it has allowed Israel to get away with so much criminality, and the West knows that a lot of that has had to do with its own Holocaust guilt. That made it weak and reduced its willingness to take Israel to task for its violations. And maybe people are feeling that they shouldn’t be throwing stones in a glass house. But we must see what is happening – Israel is overtly legalizing theft. The brazen proclamations saying that international law does not apply to Israel should have been shocking – but sadly, they are not. Because we know it has been the policy for so long. And since the reaction has been weak, Israel, like a spoiled brat, has learned that it can get away with it, and that it can become ever more obnoxious without it suffering any cost.

Indeed, one is left to wonder, who will stop the Jewish State? After all, international law does not have the automatic enforcement mechanisms as domestic law, and the international bodies that were meant to hold Israel accountable to international law, have so far largely failed to do so, at least where Palestinians are concerned. In a time when the American superpower stands firmly on Israel’s side in violation of international law, as with the moving of the embassy to Jerusalem and the endorsement of Israel’s unilateral annexation of East Jerusalem, it is hard to see why Israel would or should believe that international law applies to it at all. This is the light in which we may understand the language in that letter. It’s so brazen, because there is not even a sense of need to portray any semblance of respect towards international law. Israel is now undertaking a bonanza of theft in broad daylight, with a chauvinist sense that nothing will stop it. That’s what really transpires from the language of that letter.

It’s OK to drop a jaw at this. The language in that letter should serve as a wake-up call. But then we must also collect ourselves and remind ourselves that it is up to grassroots pressure to change this situation and protect the Palestinians from the unhindered Israeli military and legislative colonialist onslaught, enacted by the ‘eternal victims’.

H/t Linda Cooper

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  1. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    September 18, 2018, 11:26 am

    RE: The Israeli government has recently claimed that it can “legislate anywhere in the world”, that it is “entitled to violate the sovereignty of foreign countries”, and that “is allowed to ignore the directives of international law in any field it desires”.

    MY COMMENT: John Bolton must be pea green with envy!

  2. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    September 18, 2018, 12:18 pm

    “Although the Knesset can legislate [concerning] any place in the world, although it is entitled to violate the sovereignty of foreign countries through legislation that would be applied to events occurring in their territories […], although it is within the authority of the Government of Israel to annex any territory […], “

    Sparta 2.0
    The problem with this ultra asshole we can do what we want attitude is that what is good for the Zionist goose is good for the Arab gander.
    Israel just has to lose one war and it is over, baby. Khalaas

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      September 19, 2018, 10:52 am

      @Maghlawatan, et al

      FYI:
      Video:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPaVYCIODvo
      Ahed Tamimi interviewed by France 24: “We are all fighting for our freedom as Palestinians”

      Article:
      https://www.mintpressnews.com/ahed-tamimi-france/249406/
      “Ahed Tamimi Finally Travels to France Despite Israeli Obstacles”

      MPN News, Sept. 17/18
      “Ahed Tamimi, the Palestinian resistance icon, traveled to France for a debate on Friday. The young resistance leader was invited by L’Humanité newspaper and the French Communist party, or PCF, to participate in an event organized by Association France Palestine Solidarite.

      “Ahed spoke Sunday at the Fete de L’Humanité (Festival of Humanity) which is organized annually by the PCF and its newspaper L’Humanité at La Courneuve in Seine-Saint-Denis.
      ‘I want to say to Trump that Jerusalem will remain the capital of Palestine’, Ahed Tamimi said in reference to the decision of the U.S. president to move the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv, addressing thousands of people who attended the last day of the event.

      “’The Palestinian refugees, we do not need the money of the Americans, but to return to our land’ and find ‘our dignity’, she added. ‘We must be united in the face of the occupation.’

      “She went on to describe her own experience as a young Palestinian under Israeli brutal occupation. ‘When you’re a young Palestinian who is 17 years old today, you suffer on a daily basis the practices of the Israeli occupation … even Palestinian children are arrested at checkpoints and Israeli-controlled’.

      “The Palestinian people, Ahed concluded, ‘we are not victims, we are fighters for freedom.’

      “The 17-year-old teenager from Nabi Saleh village in the occupied West Bank was jailed for eight months for slapping two Israeli occupation soldiers who were harassing her family at their home’s yard. Her action in December last year was recorded and went viral on social media. attracting applause from the supporters of Palestinian resistance globally, while also infuriating Israelis some of whom asked for her to be shot and killed.

      “Ahed and her mother Nariman, both had been jailed in an Israeli prison since December 2017 before receiving a few weeks early release in late July.

      “Ahed received a warm welcome from the people gathered at the event in France where she talked about how her life has changed during her imprisonment. The young resistance icon doesn’t regret her actions and said that prison helped her to be more mature. Immediately after her release, while speaking to media, she said she and her other inmates studied international law in the prison.

      “Speaking to RT during her trip in France, the young Palestinian activist said that despite being released she does not think that she is out of trouble as each of her words can be used against her and land her in prison again.

      “She further called for boycotting Israel and asked people to spread the truth about the suffering of Palestinians due to Israeli occupation.

      “The news of her France visit comes just a week after she was informed by Palestinian authorities that she was not allowed to leave the country due to an Israeli ban on her and her family from doing so. Her father had said that they were not given any definite reason for the ban.

      “Ahed is now expected to travel through Europe to talk about Palestine’s resistance and her time in Israeli prison. Her next stop will be in Spain to participate in more solidarity events.”

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 19, 2018, 12:43 pm

        I bet they will arrest her for ‘incitement’ when she gets back

  3. Kay24
    Kay24
    September 18, 2018, 12:50 pm

    They are right. With America’s blessing, weapons, aid, and support, it can do whatever the hell it wants, when it wants, and who cares about international laws?

    The nazis of our time, with arrogance to boot.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      September 18, 2018, 1:43 pm

      The US runs a credit expansion system. Credit expansions end in national bankruptcy . Trump has cut taxes meaning no bailouts possible after the next crash
      US hegemony is not going to last much longer. Israel needs a different host.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        September 18, 2018, 3:39 pm

        Yep the parasites will have to feed elsewhere, but then they have those fabulously wealthy diaspora all over the world, perhaps Adelson and others can step in.

      • Antidote
        Antidote
        September 18, 2018, 7:08 pm

        “Israel needs a different host”

        No worries, Putin will be happy to take over. And Russia does not have the debt problem of the US, plus plenty of fabulously wealthy oligarchs, some of them Jewish, like Adelson. Don’t think he will care about Palestinian nationhood any more than he does about Ukrainian nationhood.

      • Misterioso
        Misterioso
        September 19, 2018, 10:34 am

        @Antidote

        “No worries, Putin will be happy to take over.”

        Not a chance. Putin is not stupid. He will not pick up America’s “leavings.” He knows full well that replacing the US as Israel’s financial provider and protector would be a disaster for Russia. Israel’s inevitable fate is that of an abandoned pariah.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        September 19, 2018, 3:19 pm

        Since November 2014, there is no longer a need for any bail-outs of TBTF banks because legislation is now in place that makes bank deposit holders legally unsecured creditors of the bank–next time there will be a “bail-in,” not a bail out–your deposit accounts will be frozen to keep your bank alive.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      September 19, 2018, 11:02 am

      @Kay24, et al

      http://www.dci.plo.ps/en/article/10424/September-19,-2018-PLO-Executive-Committee-Member-Dr-Hanan-Ashrawi-strongly-condemns-Israel’s-murder-of-six-Palestinians-in-the-last-twenty-four-hours

      The Palestinian Liberation Organization, Press Release, Sept. 19/18
      Statement by Hanan Ashrawi:

      “’The deliberate murder of six Palestinians by Israeli forces in the last twenty-four hours is yet another escalation in the Israeli occupation’s brutality and inhumanity.

      “‘As Muhammad Zaghloul al-Khatib al-Rimawi (24) from the occupied West Bank village of Beit Rima slept in his bed, he was brutally attacked and beaten to death in front of his family by Israeli occupation soldiers in the middle of the night.

      “‘Unarmed Muhammad Yousif Alayan (26) from the Qalandiya refugee camp was shot in cold blood by Israeli forces for defending himself against an Israeli settler. Muhammad Ahmad Abu Naji (34) and Ahmad Muhammad Muhsin Omar (20) were shot and killed by Israeli soldiers in the northern besieged Gaza Strip while peacefully participating in a demonstration against Israel’s unlawful and immoral eleven-year blockade of the Gaza Strip.

      “‘Naji Jamil Abu Assi (18) and Alaa Ziyad Abu Assi (21) were shelled and killed in an airstrike on the southern Gaza Strip on Monday night.

      “‘Emboldened by the total support of the US administration, Israel has stepped up its criminality and policy of summary executions targeting Palestine’s innocent victims with deliberate cruelty and impunity.

      “‘The international community is urged to end Israel’s devaluation of Palestinian lives and to abandon its double standard when it comes to the loss of life, regardless of nationality or religion.

      “‘We appeal to the ICC to take immediate action and open an official and criminal investigation into such widespread and flagrant war crimes and crimes against humanity being committed throughout occupied Palestine.

      “‘We also call on the High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention and the United Nations to investigate Israel’s egregious violations, lawlessness and provocative acts and hold it accountable with punitive measures and sanctions.

      “‘This is further proof that the Palestinians require urgent protection from Israel’s criminal campaign and decades-long military occupation. However, the real solution remains in ending the occupation and enabling the Palestinian people to exercise their right to self-determination in a free and sovereign state on their own land with Jerusalem as its capital.’”

    • amigo
      amigo
      September 19, 2018, 4:12 pm

      “I bet they will arrest her for ‘incitement’ when she gets back” Mag

      Nope , nothing that simple.She will be charged with Treason and Sedition, ie , Sharing State secrets with a foreign entity , by disclosing the shooting of her cousin in the face .

      How dare she bad mouth the light unto the rest of us .

      What happens in the historic homeland of the Jewish people stays in the , etc , etc.

  4. eljay
    eljay
    September 18, 2018, 1:25 pm

    … The Israeli government has recently claimed that it can “legislate anywhere in the world”, that it is “entitled to violate the sovereignty of foreign countries”, and that “is allowed to ignore the directives of international law in any field it desires”. This was written in an official response letter to the Supreme Court last month. …

    Zionists profess to care about Jews even as they work diligently to undermine human rights and international laws and the protections they are meant to afford all people including Jews. Go figure.

  5. ckg
    ckg
    September 18, 2018, 1:28 pm

    Dershowitz told Israel to pay no attention to international law. I suppose it’s just a matter of time before “mentioning international law” is added to the IHRA examples.

    • amigo
      amigo
      September 18, 2018, 4:47 pm

      ” . I suppose it’s just a matter of time before “mentioning international law” is added to the IHRA examples.” ckg

      Depends in which context you mention it.

      Were you to suggest that Israel is in contravention of Intl Law , that would be a serious breach of IHRA rules and get you 5 to 10 in the nearest , FPFAS, (Federal Penitentiary for Anti Semites.

    • braciole
      braciole
      September 19, 2018, 12:49 pm

      Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

      Israel has just trashed another one of the examples from the IHRA. When will the IHRA become totally irrelevant.

  6. Mooser
    Mooser
    September 18, 2018, 1:42 pm

    “Justifying landgrab, Israel says it is ‘allowed to ignore international law’ anywhere it wants”

    On land, sea, or or in the air.

  7. amigo
    amigo
    September 18, 2018, 2:18 pm

    Given that Trump/Bolton et al are in the process of closing down the ICC , Israel is on safe ground (no pun intended) and is not likely to answer for it,s actions.

    I guess , a lot of other criminal states are watching closely and planning annexation of small sovereign nations of their choice..They will just point to Israel.

    Russia can now relax v the Ukraine.

    I wonder if the Republic of Ireland can pass a similar Law and pop over the Border and annex The North.Just think , it will solve the Brexit “Hard Border” conundrum.

    • Rob Roy
      Rob Roy
      September 18, 2018, 9:50 pm

      Actually, the Crimea belongs to Russia, hardly a comparison to the thieving Israelis. The Ukraine was stolen by the US, not by Russia.

    • Antidote
      Antidote
      September 19, 2018, 3:09 am

      “Russia can now relax v the Ukraine.”

      Russia, as Soviet Union, was pretty relaxed about annexing parts of Germany, Japan, Poland (who in turn annexed parts of Germany) after WW II and at a time when such practice was already outlawed via the Nuremberg trials. They hardly had to wait for Israel to break a law that was never universally applied and enforced in the first place. Israel did nothing more, or less, than did Poland, among others: claimung that suffering entitles them to inflict suffering on others. The Nazis made the same claim, as did the Soviets. You may also want to read up on how the Soviet Union and Poland undermined Ukrainian independence and self-determination after WW I.

      • braciole
        braciole
        September 19, 2018, 1:10 pm

        The border changes for Poland were agreed at the Tehran and Yalta conferences and were implemented before the Nuremberg trials even started.
        As for the Soviet Union, the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic became a founding member of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in December 1922 after Poland had taken most of western Ukraine in the Polish-Ukrainian war.

      • amigo
        amigo
        September 19, 2018, 3:15 pm

        “They hardly had to wait for Israel to break a law that was never universally applied and enforced in the first place. Israel did nothing more, or less, than did Poland, among others: “Antidote

        Are you an apologist for Israel or just dabbling in a spot of whataboutery.

      • Antidote
        Antidote
        November 15, 2018, 10:55 am

        sorry for late reply, just saw this.
        @braciole:

        the “big 3” at Tehran and Yalta had no right whatsoever, other than the old ‘might makes right’, to redraw the borders the way they did. Just as they had no right to redraw the borders of Palestine and the rest of the former Ottoman Empire at Versailles without consultation of the population. The right to self-determination was introduced long before W W II but only very selectively applied after both wars. That’s why WW II started in Danzig and Poland, and why WW I factually never ended in Palestine, the M E, and, indeed, in Europe. Significantly, the borders of Poland were not negotiated or determined at the Versailles conference at all, nor did the war in Europe end with the armistice, or German quasi – surrender, in Nov 1918. The Poles, who had been fighting each other as soldiers of the Russian, or German/Austrian armies, pulled together, assisted by contingents broght in from the diaspora in the US, and invaded Germany, Lthuania, Ukraine etc, leading into the Soviet/Polish war 1919-21. As with Israel, the new borders were established by war and accepted or rejected as facts on the ground during the inter-war period.
        The Peace of Riga that ended the P/S war was almost as much of an outrageous landgrab as the Peace of Brest-Litovsk signed in March 1918 between Russia, Germany, Austria-Hungary, the ottoman Empire, and Bulgaria. Unlike Riga, it was based on the principle of self-determination, even though it would not likely have established fully independent states. However, it meant that both the Austrian and ottoman empires, significantly, agreed to abolish themselves and to create semi-independent states under German/Ottoman hegemony, establising a common market, currency and military. It would have effectively pushed out the “big 3” from any meddling in continental Europe and the territory of the Ottoman Empire. I think it would have established a better peace, and a better future for the peoples involved, including Russia. Unlike the completely dismembered , impoverished and isolated Austria, or Hungary, the biggest losers at Versailles (one may add Jewish Europeans to the big loser list, of course) , Russia would have remained the largest country on earth, and spared the cost of shouldering the massive cost of cleaning up the destruction suffered during the war and civil war in the newly independent regions, known as the Bloodlands of WW 2, again, and pretty much mirroring the post 91 borders of Russia today. Ironic, too, that those same borders vehemently rejected by Wilson as a German power-grab are now being enforced against Putin’s objections to the point of risking WW III? The US must enforce, and the EU vassals, above all Germany, must support what was strictly denied and called criminal when the Germans/Austrians attempted it independently from the blessings and involvement of the ‘big 3’?

        As for the Nuremberg trials: clearly a farce to hang people for post ex facto legislation while the same principles cited were ignored, even authorized,

  8. Juergen
    Juergen
    September 18, 2018, 7:04 pm

    Danny Ayalon (former Israeli ambassador) said just that at a public meeting in my hometown recently. International law counts for nothing when it comes to Israel. But that is a dangerous line to take, for when the tide turns and Israel is at the receiving end of aggression, what should stop others from breaking international law, just as Israel does now?

  9. RoHa
    RoHa
    September 18, 2018, 10:49 pm

    Since Israel is allowed to annex any territory it wants, can I urge the Israeli Government to annex Guangdong province at once, and start clearing out the troublesome natives?

  10. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    September 19, 2018, 5:23 am

    International law, remember that, unfortunately it no longer exists, if it ever did, the USA have been regime changing states it does not like for a long time [see William Blum Killing hope] all in breach of the UN charter. Israel and other US friends get a free pass of course due to the US veto at the UNSC. I was reminded of this when it was learned that Kissinger approved of the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974…
    Henry Kissinger, U.S. Secretary of State at the time of Turkey’s 1974 invasion of Cyprus told then U.S. President Gerald Ford that Turkey was entitled to seize part of the island, according to the National Herald, a U.S. newspaper focusing on Greek affairs
    “The Turkish tactics are right – grab what they want and then negotiate on the basis of possession,” Kissinger said.

    The comments came despite Greece, Turkey’s protagonist in the dispute over the island, having been a long-standing U.S. ally. Minutes of the meeting reveal that Kissinger believed Turkey to be a more important ally than Greece and that in the event of war between Greece and Turkey, the United States should back Turkey. https://ahvalnews.com/us-turkey/henry-kissinger-backed-turkish-tactics-1974-cyprus-invasion
    In today’s world might is right, unfortunately, as Lord High Chancellor Thomas More said in ROHa’s link, one day Israel will need those laws, who will defend Israel then?

    • traintosiberia
      traintosiberia
      September 23, 2018, 10:44 am

      Has Turkey stepped up the process of expelling the Greeks ? Has Turkey continued to grab land from Greek part of the island?

      Cyprus was not fully annexed by Turkey . Greece was planning to do exactly such a reality in 1974.

      Few years ago ,Greek Cypriot prevented the Turkish Cypriot to come together and join EU together. Greek Cypriot wanted out alone. Greek Cypriot forced EU from considering the application of Turkish Cypriot.

      I am fine with Israel grabbing Lebanon or Syria as long as Israel offer same rights,grant same privileges, and sense of safety and security which it offer to Jewish Israelis.

  11. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    September 19, 2018, 8:36 am

    “This was relating to the West Bank, where Israel indeed enacts Israeli law upon settlers, even in places where it has not annexed territory.”

    Well, Jeez! What if Israel decides to enact legislation “relating to” the territory of the USA and bearing upon (and, let us say, only upon) all of the “Jewish People” who reside (or temporarily find themselves ) in the USA. You know, even if it does not formally “annex” the USA. After all, by law these days, Israel is the country of the Jewish People, wherever they may reside.

    Only a matter of time, huh?

    The very idea gives me the queezies. You?

    • jackal
      jackal
      September 25, 2018, 3:04 am

      Uh, do you live in the States?
      Surely you are aware that, from a view of a Canadian, you are already controlled politically and economically by Israel or Israeli promoters living inside the States.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 25, 2018, 7:49 pm

        Your comment should not be taken as implying that Australians, Brits, and Canadians are not controlled by Israel or Israeli promoters living inside the various countries.

  12. Misterioso
    Misterioso
    September 19, 2018, 11:17 am

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/09/18/prof-wont-write-recommendation-for-students-israel-study-abroad-plan-says-he-backs-palestinians?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily-Newsletter__PM-Final%202018-09-18&utm_term=TheBlaze%20Daily%20PM%20-%20last%20270%20days

    “Prof. won’t write recommendation for student’s Israel study-abroad plan, says he backs Palestinians”

    The Blaze, Sep 18, 2018

    EXCERPT:

    “A University of Michigan professor has come under fire after refusing to write a recommendation letter for a student who wants to study abroad in Israel — and the professor cited support for Palestinians as his reason, the Michigan Daily reported.

    “John Cheney-Lippold of the American Culture Department told the paper he refused to write the letter for junior Abigail Ingber because he wants to ‘help’ those ‘being discriminated against.’

    “‘I was following a call by representatives of Palestinian civil society to boycott Israel in a very similar tactical frame as South Africa,’ the professor told the Daily. ‘The idea is that I support communities who organize themselves and ask for international support to achieve equal rights, freedom, and to prevent violations of international law.’

    “The pro-Palestinian Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement is particularly popular on college campuses. Indeed, UM junior Sophee Langerman — a BDS activist — told the paper she supports Cheney-Lippold’s decision.”

  13. sarcoma
    sarcoma
    September 20, 2018, 11:57 am

    The submission to the court just makes explicit the Zionist view of the world order – we can do what we like, so who cares about the law?

    I was on street stall promoting Palestinian rights when a woman approached me and said “There was a war; your lot lost; get over it”. Can you imagine how people would react if anyone said to Jews or Israelis, “There was a war; your lot got killed; get over it”? But it is symptomatic of the “might is right” view held my many Zionists, somehow managing to forget that “might is right” produced the Holocaust.

    • catalan
      catalan
      September 20, 2018, 12:59 pm

      “Can you imagine how people would react if anyone said to Jews or Israelis, “There was a war; your lot got killed; get over it”?” Sarcoma
      And yet that’s exactly the message of Mondo: Jews are “whiners”, eternal victims, they exaggerate what happened to Jews and minimize the suffering of all others. They milk the Holocaust but are the richest and most privileged. Well I think that Jews have taken these accusations to heart and indeed do not want to whine and be victims anymore. So now we have an army and an airforce that scares the enemy and a thriving state whose healthcare and quality of life are the envy of the world.

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 20, 2018, 1:31 pm

        || catalan: … And yet that’s exactly the message of Mondo … ||

        The message of Mondo is a refutation of three core tenets of Zionism:
        – Jews are entitled to a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine.
        – Acts of injustice and immorality committed against Jews justify acts of injustice and immorality committed by Jews.
        – Jews are entitled to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 20, 2018, 1:42 pm

        catalan: “And yet that’s exactly the message of Mondo.”

        Nope, the message was that Zionist are self-righteous hyprocrits. Just look into the mirror, catalan.

        Catalan: “So now we have an army and an airforce that scares the enemy …”

        Yes, Mr. Goebbels. This helped every rogue state in history.

      • catalan
        catalan
        September 20, 2018, 1:47 pm

        “The message of Mondo is a refutation of three core tenets of Zionism:” Eljay
        Mondo has a message; Israel has nukes, healthcare, money and long life expectancy. I much rather would take what Israel has; a message does not the plate fill and the border protect.

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 20, 2018, 2:55 pm

        || catalan: “The message of Mondo is a refutation of three core tenets of Zionism:” Eljay
        Mondo has a message … ||

        Correct.

        || … Israel has nukes, healthcare, money and long life expectancy. … ||

        Irrelevant both to your original point and to my rebuttal.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 20, 2018, 3:48 pm

        Catalan: “Israel has nukes, healthcare, money and long life expectancy.”

        Apartheid South Africa and the Sowjet Union had nukes, too. So how would nukes help Israel? LOL.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 20, 2018, 6:21 pm

        “And yet that’s exactly the message of Mondo”

        That’s not what it says on the “About” page. (linked here for your convenience)

        “Catalan” how do you account for the difference between what it says on the “About” page, and the “message in the Mondo”?

      • catalan
        catalan
        September 20, 2018, 11:13 pm

        “”Catalan” how do you account for the difference between what it says on the “About” page, and the “message in the Mondo”?”
        Mooser,
        It’s the difference between the online profile and the date. But seriously, you haven’t noticed the constant refrain of Jews as “eternal victims” who always whine and don’t just get with the program? The site is not dedicated to Israel – we both know that at least half of US Jews don’t like Israel at all with the rest ambivalent at best. It’s about the Jews – how they control everything and pretend to be victims and so on. “Zionist” here is code for “Jewish” – and pretty much anyone that would object to the wholesale murder of all Israelis is a “Zionist”. I think that you are blind to this depressing reality. The constant claim is that Jews have tribal loyalty and yet the two of us despise each other; you would think that this alone would refute the claim of Jews as “tribal” but people here don’t care.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 21, 2018, 11:38 am

        “It’s the difference between the online profile and the date.”

        ROTFLMSJAO!! “catalan” in love. Your date with Mondo didn’t go so well, in fact, you got the brush-off. (In spite of constantly telling Ms. Mondo how rich you are, too)

        So the only thing to do is become her stalker.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 21, 2018, 11:47 am

        “The constant claim is that Jews have tribal loyalty and yet the two of us despise each other”

        Exactly, “catalan”! And that kind of mutual despising is not a good basis for a “nation”, is it? You have gone right to the heart of the matter.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 21, 2018, 12:01 pm

        “Well I think that Jews have taken these accusations to heart and indeed do not want to whine and be victims anymore.”

        So, what are you waiting for, “catalan”? Stop whining and playing the victim, and we’ll all be better off.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        September 21, 2018, 12:36 pm

        @ej

        Your core tenets. Fine. But while you surely find it completly irrelevant what the land mass size in in the context of ethno-religious balance, ie, the fact Muslim Arab block occupies approx 95% of me while Israel, a multi cultural society occupies less then 2%. I understand that as far as the rights of non Israeli arabs you don’t care wether is a square inch or a thousand square kms. And that is consistent. But your not a pragmatist in a very pragmatic world. wether the few bad acts of zionist jews pale in comparison to the world at large. That doesn’t justify anything zionists might do wrong. Zionism is your pet issue and is as legitimate as any cause or hobby.
        But, in the scheme of things, is minor (were it not for the vast control those elders have over world press and affairs). you would agree, I assume, that ethnic tribes in Africa are not entitled to force other ethnic tribes from former lands. It sucks but what can the world at large do?
        Focus on Jews and Zionism is fair only because very few Jews and many note that read or heard them were told Israel is a morally superior nation. (Of course with jews having a national home not many would have assumed that just like other proud citizens of countries like Canada, Japan the US also claim superior qualities for living moral lives.) And not many would focus on the thousands, now millions, of non jewish citizens who were, if not immediately embraced, we’re given legal, civil and social religious rights. So, Israel is an illegal nation and is claiming it has the legal right to “do anything it wants.” ANYTHING!

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        September 21, 2018, 1:22 pm

        @DaBakr

        “like Canada …. also claim superior qualities for living moral lives.”

        Ummm I’ve never heard such a claim made. I’d laugh until I cried if I did.

      • catalan
        catalan
        September 21, 2018, 1:37 pm

        “So, what are you waiting for, “catalan”? Stop whining and playing the victim, and we’ll all be better off.” Mooser
        I am emphatically not a victim in any sense. I have a great life and as you know a good position both professionally and financially. The victims are the Palestinians and particularly those in Gaza under the rule of Hamas. In a sense you are a victim too because you are on the losing side of this conflict. I think that’s actually fair as you are motivated by hatred and such is the destiny of those. I only have love on the other hand. Look at this conversation – I am politely sharing my opinion while you are insulting, bullying mocking and generally hating. So it’s only fair that you are in a bad place.

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 21, 2018, 3:22 pm

        || @aak: @ej

        Your core tenets. … ||

        No, their your tenets and those of your Zionist brothers-in-supremacism.

        || … But while you surely find it completly irrelevant what the land mass size in in the context of ethno-religious balance, ie, the fact Muslim Arab block occupies approx 95% of me while Israel, a multi cultural society occupies less then 2%. … ||

        Irrelevant to catalan’s original point or to my rebuttal of it.

        || … But your not a pragmatist in a very pragmatic world. wether the few bad acts of zionist jews pale in comparison to the world at large. That doesn’t justify anything zionists might do wrong. … ||

        Zionists can make mistakes – everyone does. But not everyone deliberately and unapologetically does evil. Zionists do.

        || … Zionism is your pet issue … ||

        Yours, too.

        || … blahblahblah … ANYTHING! ||

        If you say so.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 22, 2018, 1:14 pm

        “I am emphatically not a victim in any sense. I have a great life and as you know a good position both professionally and financially.”

        There he goes again, looking for a girlfriend.

        “As you know”? No, “catalan”, I know what you have said about yourself. Nobody believes any of it.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 22, 2018, 1:19 pm

        ,” the fact Muslim Arab block occupies approx 95% of me while Israel, a multi cultural society occupies less then 2%.”

        Yeah, the odds look pretty shitty for Israel’s survival. Good point.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 23, 2018, 5:05 am

        DaBakr: “… the fact Muslim Arab block occupies approx 95% of me while Israel, a multi cultural society occupies less then 2%. …”

        What a stupid colonialist comparison. Imagine that someone back in the time of Southafrica under Apartheid would have argued that the AFRICAns would occupy nearly all of AFRICA while the only Afrikaaners state in the world, a “multi cultural society”, occupied less then 5%.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        September 24, 2018, 1:08 am

        @tb

        Your own idiotic analogy with South Africa is as inane as the fake apartheid comparison. The Boers nor the English had no ancient history, nor kingdoms nor religion attached to their African colonies. In Hebrew the year is 5779. We wrnt in Russia, Spain, some Turkic Caucasus region. Try harder.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 24, 2018, 11:07 am

        DaBakr: “Your own idiotic analogy with South Africa is as inane as the fake apartheid comparison. The Boers nor the English had no ancient history, nor kingdoms nor religion attached to their African colonies. In Hebrew the year is 5779. We wrnt in Russia, Spain, some Turkic Caucasus region. Try harder.”

        ROFL. RE: Apartheid “comparison”. Look up the Crime of Apartheid as defined in international law and try to argue that Israel is NOT keeping Nonjews expelled to maintain a Zionist regime.

        RE: “ancient history”. Were you really whining about the fact that Israel violated the right of self determination of Nonjews in only 2% of an area in which they Muslim Arabs had been a majority for more than thousand years and imply, that Jews would have the right to do so, because they were a majority in a part of it thousands of years ago? Maybe you should try harder. It’s pathetic.

    • eljay
      eljay
      September 20, 2018, 1:02 pm

      || sarcoma: … Can you imagine how people would react if anyone said to Jews or Israelis, “There was a war; your lot got killed; get over it”? … ||

      I can: Reactions would involve abundant accusations of anti-Semitism and “Jew hatred”.

      • catalan
        catalan
        September 20, 2018, 5:19 pm

        “Apartheid South Africa and the Sowjet Union had nukes, too. So how would nukes help Israel? LOL.” Talkback
        I am aware that your opinion is that Israel is doomed. I think otherwise. Only time will tell. At present I wolud rather be an Israeli than a Gazan.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 20, 2018, 10:01 pm

        You would rather be an Israeli than a Gazan?
        Or would you just stay away just in case ? The Betar Jerusalem people are fully invested in the big risks of Zionism. Why not join them ?

    • Boris
      Boris
      September 20, 2018, 3:36 pm

      But we are over it – we don’t kill Germans.

      That doesn’t mean that we should forget.

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 20, 2018, 5:20 pm

        || Boris: But we are over it – we don’t kill Germans. … ||

        Right, you ethnically cleanse, oppress and kill Palestinians instead.

        || … That doesn’t mean that we should forget. ||

        The problem isn’t the remembrance, it’s the fact that you Zionists whore out the Holocaust to justify the evil you have done, the evil you do and the evil you pledge to continue doing.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 20, 2018, 6:25 pm

        “But we are over it – we don’t kill Germans.” “Boris”

        Yeah, there’s a lot of Germans, aren’t there? Very virtuous of Jews not to attack them.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 21, 2018, 10:17 am

        Mooser

        Israël only attacks poor people. When they can defend themselves Israel stops attacking them. Israel is gutless. Israel wouldn’t dare go toe to toe with France or the UK. It would attack Sierra Leone on the other hand.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 21, 2018, 11:42 am

        ” Israel is gutless.”

        We cannot sustain the losses, the casualties that other armies do, even in victory. It’s a matter of Jewish survival.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 21, 2018, 12:20 pm

        Maghlawatan: “Israel wouldn’t dare go toe to toe with France or the UK.”

        Why would it? France and UK, too, are fighting Israel’s war in the Middle East aka “The War against Terror”.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      September 21, 2018, 11:56 am

      @sc

      To think how many’esteemed’ members of the UN could fit well within you “view of world order”. That you focus on Israel is one thing and your prerogative. You might consider how ridiculous, patronizing and insulting you would sound were you to preach this to dozens of other nations, powerful and not so powerful.

  14. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 20, 2018, 2:00 pm

    @catalan
    ” So now we have an army and an airforce that scares the enemy and a thriving state whose healthcare and quality of life are the envy of the world”

    Ah by ” the enemy ” I take it you mean terrified defenceless women and children in the occupied teritories and Gaza. It sure as hell isn`t Hezbollah or Iran.
    https://intmassmedia.com/2017/05/10/israel-is-more-afraid-of-hezbollah/

    “Well I think that Jews have taken these accusations to heart and indeed do not want to whine and be victims anymore”

    I hope that the Barking Yenta Dame Hodge and her fellow Israel Firsters in the UK start to take this to heart soon. They`ve been doing a lot of whining recently and it has become so tedious so predictable and worst of all so plain boring.

    • catalan
      catalan
      September 20, 2018, 3:01 pm

      “Ah by ” the enemy ” I take it you mean terrified defenceless women and children in the occupied teritories and Gaza.” Ossinev
      The enemy is Hamas, Hizbollah, and Iran. And BDS which means you. However, the enemy is week, angry, and not very bright. So, overall, a good enemy to have. Basically your side is a lot of fluff, venting, and nonsense without substance. Our side is the opposite – all substance without the bs. The result is there for all to see – look at Israel and then Gaza and see who is winning. It’s just so simple.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 20, 2018, 4:03 pm

        « Week » and »not very bright » . How about its spelling?

  15. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 21, 2018, 7:25 am

    @Catalan
    ” look at Israel and then Gaza and see who is winning. It’s just so simple”

    As in look at the Warsaw Ghetto and the Third Reich and see who was winning.

    “the enemy is week, angry, and not very bright”

    Ah you mean after your “historic victory over the weak,angry and not very bright Hezbollah” in 2006 they have gone away. Shurely Shome Mishtake LOL
    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2006/08/17/nasrallah-wins-the-war

    As for BDS being “an enemy” well F16`s tanks and turkey shoot snipers may well be able to neutralise those irritating women and children in Gaza and the O/T but you need morality on your side to fight BDS and Zioland has never had it , doesn`t have and will never have morality.

    • catalan
      catalan
      September 21, 2018, 8:53 am

      Ossinev,
      That’s what I mean by not very bright. So you found an article that says Nasrallah won; you have this ridiculous belief that if a quote exists it must be true. I can find you a quote too, so what? You also appear to find the situation very funny to the point of making fun of accents (not mine, I am Bulgarian). I am pretty certain it’s not so funny for the enemy in Gaza and Lebanon. It’s the thing with you guys – you win the arguments online with sheer verbiage and drama. Israel just has its tanks and moves along. The dog barks, the caravan goes on. As to BDS, we all tremble at thr boycott of Dr Pepper. I see people at Taco Bell all the time not choosing to buy a soda but getting water instead.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 21, 2018, 11:56 am

        “Israel just has its tanks and moves along.”

        You always sound like a fellow who is looking for the perfect place to abscond to. Trying to convince yourself that you’ll beyond reach of extradition in Israel.

  16. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 21, 2018, 1:10 pm

    @Catalan
    Would you believe it I found another 2 articles saying that Hezbollah won the 2006 war.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-lebanon/israel-cant-defeat-hezbollah-israeli-expert-idUSTRE6BF20L20101216

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-israels-second-lebanon-war-remains-a-resounding-failure-1.5407519

    And as an added bonus a quote from that all time great Israel Firster in the US Henry Kissinger :

    “The conventional army loses if it does not win. The guerrilla wins if he does not lose.”
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger

    So leading on from that please feel free to submit your references/quotes stating that Israel won the 2006 war.

    I do not find the situation in the Middle East funny. Your infantile comments ref BDS on the other hand do suggest that you do. I find it grotesque. I do not find it in the least bit funny that innocent men women and children are being brutalised and murdered by a horde of deluded foreign Fascists who have stolen their land.

    “to the point of making fun of accents (not mine, I am Bulgarian)” WTF are you talking about ? ?

    ” Israel just has its tanks and moves along. The dog barks, the caravan goes on. As to BDS, we all tremble at thr boycott of Dr Pepper. I see people at Taco Bell all the time not choosing to buy a soda but getting water instead”

    The above definitely sounds like rambling nonsensical verbiage to me. It is most certainly not a structured argument against any online argument with which you disagree.

    If you don`t like what you describe as “verbiage and drama” then why not just go to another site. No one is forcing you to stay and read.

    Goodbye (hopefully)

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