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The Israel lobby is built on the biggest guilt trip in the world

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I’ve been reading Amos Oz’s books since his death, and one of the feelings he leaves me with is: Self-contempt. Many of Oz’s characters look on American Jews with disdain. “To be without power is, in my eyes, both a sin and a catastrophe. It’s the sin of exile, and Diaspora,” says one. Another says that Diaspora Jews “shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of… life.”

The message is clear. Jews in the west are half-made because they never had to fight. They haven’t served in the Israeli army, at the front line of reborn Jewish sovereignty. But those exiled Jews derive pride and strength from the armed Jewish nation; Israel has given them international prestige. Because once Jews went like sheep to slaughter, we formed lines to get on the cattle cars. Now we are a proud nation.

But those exiled Jews have no skin in the game. They are living comfortable idle existences. Getting up like me this morning and going to my desk.

This is the core truth of the Israel lobby. The American Jews feel guilty that they are not on the front lines. They are lesser; the Hebrew language even describes Jews who leave Israel as such: yordim, lower. So they must do everything they can for the higher, fighting Jews of Israel. Raise money for Israel, buy off politicians, make sure that the U.S. government sticks by Israel through thick and thin and every massacre too.

It’s no wonder the first thing anyone tells you about the Israel lobby group J Street is that its executive director Jeremy Ben-Ami’s late father fought with the Irgun, the militia that committed terrorist acts to end British control of Palestine. Jeremy Ben-Ami is Zionist royalty.

And Tzipi Livni a supposed Israeli liberal got the main stage at J Street to lie about Israeli soldiers’ accountability for war crimes, and all the older Americans murmur to one another with reverence, Her parents were in the Irgun. Tzipi Livni is Zionist royalty.

It’s been this way for a long time. American Jews may be peaceniks here but they can’t criticize Israel beyond the mild demurral.

Back in 1967, Lyndon Johnson said that rabbis who were lobbying him to move the Sixth Fleet to the Gulf of Aqaba for Israel wouldn’t give him a screwdriver to send to Vietnam. The poet Robert Lowell saw his New York intellectual friends making the same somersault: “We had a great wave of New York Jewish nationalism, all the doves turning into hawks.”

Ten years later Jimmy Carter made the mistake of thinking that because American Jews were liberals they would side with him against Israel’s new rightwing prime minister Menachem Begin when Carter was challenging Begin over settlements. Carter was wrong. The religious ethnic national tie was stronger.

Israel had made American Jews proud, they were in for a dime or a million dollars. “We Are One!” wrote the historian Melvin Urofsky.

Philip Roth heard it from his father. “’Now they’ll think twice before they pull our beards!’ Militant, triumphant Israel was to his aging circle of Jewish friends their avenger for the centuries and centuries of humiliating oppression.”

Patriots owner Robert Kraft and Tom Brady in Israel

Then Americans elected a rightwing nationalist president with fascist tendencies and some liberals thought the big American Jewish organizations would work against Donald Trump. No. They stuck with Trump so he would stick with Israel.

It’s my “Jewish duty” to be friendly with the Trump administration, explained David Harris of the American Jewish Committee— so that we keep Trump’s ear when we push Israel.

AIPAC says the same thing: There must never be daylight between the White House and the Israeli government. So that means holding both sides in a tight embrace.

The American guilt trip never ends. At Any and Every Israel lobby event someone is sure to cut off criticism by leaning into a microphone and saying, We don’t live over there. Our sons and daughters don’t go into the army, it’s a tough neighborhood, and we can’t really judge the decisions that Israel makes about her security.

Even liberal Zionists honor that code. A progressive NY synagogue gives neoconservatives the stage to tell American liberals to STFU. “Look, it’s easy to sit here on West 86th street.” It’s “cavalier” to “second-guess” Israel. “I believe that as Americans what we can do… is above all stand with Israel against existential threats, terror threats.”

And if the liberals forget to STFU, an Israeli politician is sure to remind them. We live soft lives in the U.S.

Asked in an English-language television interview about criticism of Israeli policies by some U.S. Jews, Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely questioned whether “people that never send their children to fight for their country” could understand the “complexity” of the Middle east.

The heroes in the Amos Oz books are the brawny tanned Israeli warriors, who don’t think twice about blowing up “enemy” villages. They go on courageous “reprisal raids” against faceless enemies at night. Arthur Koestler said 80 years ago that European Jews were a “sick race”: because they don’t know how to wield arms and till the soil.

The Jews of the Israel lobby believe this. They think that Israel has figured out the right relationship to the Arab world and we are never to question it. We might suggest some minor changes in the p.r. campaign, but we’re going to hold the bag for you forever.

Massacre all the Palestinians you think it’s necessary to massacre and when Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says it’s a massacre, even liberal Zionists will go after her and say she’s not being nuanced enough.

But when Tzipi Livni goes to J Street and says that Any Israeli soldier who did anything ethically wrong on the Gaza border will be prosecuted, she is a hero.

And as for the famous Jewish love of argument—STFU. The Jews who are against Israel must be squashed. They are non Jews or self-hating Jews. You’ll never see an anti-Zionist Jew at J Street except by mistake; and AIPAC doesn’t let anti-Zionist Jews in even to cover their hootenanny.

Because if American Jews divide over Israel it is a signal to American politicians that they can divide over Israel, too. We’re the gatekeepers. Everyone takes their cue from us. “The perception that AIPAC represents a consensus among American Jews has always been a key to its political influence, which explains the group’s sometimes seemingly outsized opposition to Jewish dissent from its line,” writes Doug Rossinow, whose piece on the dark roots of AIPAC in the Washington Post is one of the rare slams of the Israel lobby ever to appear in our papers.

Barney Frank’s sister worked for AIPAC and he shut up about settlements even when he saw them ending the beloved two-state solution. Bari Weiss’s father is an AIPAC hero, and she says all American Jews welcomed Israeli officials to Pittsburgh after the massacre because “we are all one, Am Yisrael.” The people of Israel, the old Zionist slogan!

Now the old hocus-pocus isn’t working. Jews are dividing. There is a new bloc of Jews who will not accept the Book of Nietzsche arguments about Israel’s use of force. They don’t have Philip Roth’s memories of the Holocaust, they don’t think that Jews need to show military prowess to be impressive Jews.

They don’t mind being called effete pencil-neck desk Jews, and they are taking on the Jewish establishment. Look at the numbers in the new Independent Jewish Voices poll from Canada: secular and progressive Jews have overwhelmingly negative feelings about the Israeli government.

Those Jews are giving Ilhan Omar permission. The Jewish divide is the reason there is a debate. People defer to Jews on this issue, because they’ve been indoctrinated to think Jewish survival depends on Israel’s existence, and we are all Zionists, just as Bari Weiss said. Now we are giving them permission to wonder. Peter Feld is on MSNBC saying some Jews welcome Ilhan Omar.

It’s like a lot of other family secrets that go on two or three generations then the young people blow it up. But we need help. We need outside scrutiny to take on the Vatican. We need you, Ilhan Omar. The biggest guilt trip in the world is coming to an end.

H/t Todd Pierce. 

I changed the definition of yordim in the 4th paragraph to reflect corrections passed to me by Ira Glunts and Jonathan Ofir. 

Philip Weiss

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  1. eljay on February 19, 2019, 1:11 pm

    Whether they’re the ones…
    – doing the evil;
    – defending the evil; or
    – trying to intimidate into silence and/or complicity those who oppose the evil,
    …Zionists are truly hateful and immoral people.

  2. Citizen on February 19, 2019, 1:54 pm

    All true, Phil. Yet there are more American Jews who volunteer to join the IDF, Not the US Army, yes? Jewish guilt, yes–jewish stand-up comedians use to joke about this back in the 1950s, earlier 1960s….they just didn’t apply it to Israel. The notion was nobody is raised with more guilt triggers than any Jew. Who is raised with more Holocaust guilt trips about supporting Jews than American gentiles? The Germans yes, but that was earned by their grandparents, yes? America’s grandparents were GI Joe, fighting the Nazis and Imperial Japan.

  3. annie on February 19, 2019, 1:58 pm

    Awesome article Phil!

    • Mooser on February 19, 2019, 5:34 pm

      Awesome, but I wish Phil had stayed ‘in the tent’ when looking for someone to “take on”. ‘Sanhedrin’ might have worked.

  4. ckg on February 19, 2019, 2:04 pm

    Consider NYT The Daily podcast episode for today: The Democrats and Israel. At minute 22:50 the narrator says,

    “Bernie Sanders, who was actually raised Jewish, becomes the first openly critical American politician to really be willing to challenge Israel on the campaign trail.”

    The NYT narrator doesn’t describe Sanders as Jewish but rather as having been raised Jewish. It’s like he’s less Jewish because he challenges Israel.

    • annie on February 19, 2019, 2:34 pm

      i’m 6 minutes in, this is totally boring. are they trying to make us fall asleep?

      (edit, actually the second half is much better. thanks for the link ckg)

  5. annie on February 19, 2019, 2:27 pm

    does anyone know why peter feld’s twitter account is suspended? i tried tagging him the other day and noticed this, assumed it would be back up and running soon. now i see it is still down. what is up with that? he was excellent on the msnbc link, whereas sargon never really answered the question asked. how did she get to her outrageous hyperbolic accusation from omar’s few words? nothing she said explained that.

    • ckg on February 19, 2019, 4:08 pm

      Annie–Here is a clue from his Instagram account.

      hrlori
      👏👏👏 @peterfeld . Btw why are you suspended on Twitter?

      peterfeld
      @hrlori I was a little too vociferous in my opposition to Venezuela regime change ;)

      I hope he returns.

      • annie on February 19, 2019, 6:50 pm

        oh my goodness. i feel like we’re all in jr. high school. don’t cross empire rd!

  6. Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 19, 2019, 3:17 pm

    There is, of course, deep irony in the idea that American Jews should feel guilt about their comfotable lives in the ‘diaspora’.

    After all, isn’t the whole point of Israel’s existence to provide a safe haven for all those Jews living among antisemites – which supposedly almost all of us Gentiles are? If Jews are safer in the ‘diaspora’ than they are in Israel, why bother with the latter at all?

  7. Keith on February 19, 2019, 4:03 pm

    PHIL- “Because if American Jews divide over Israel it is a signal to American politicians that they can divide over Israel, too.”

    Nonsense which I doubt even you believe. The power relationship between the two groups is totally asymmetrical. The Zionists have the money, organization and commitment. All that you anti-Zionist Jews have is a taste for a fine whine.

  8. JWalters on February 19, 2019, 4:51 pm

    “Jews in the west are half-made because they never had to fight. They haven’t served in the Israeli army, at the front line of reborn Jewish sovereignty.”

    A person, including a Jew, can be a strong warrior for justice. That is admirable. But being a strong warrior for injustice, cruel brutality, and bigotry is not admirable.

    Bari Weiss once wrote that the rebirth of Jewish sovereignty was such a monumental historical event that it was more important than the 70 year campaign of terrorism, murder, and robbery of the innocent people in Palestine. That type of “logic” is just as big a crock of crap when Bari Weiss uses it as it was when Adolf Hitler used it.

    Further, the pen is mightier than the sword in the battle for truth. The pen can reveal the truth, while the sword alone can only hide it.

  9. hophmi on February 19, 2019, 4:55 pm

    Straw man much?

    • Misterioso on February 20, 2019, 8:41 am

      Speaking of the “Israel lobby” –

      https://www.rt.com/usa/451583-israel-lobby-millions-influence/

      “Meddling, anyone? Pro-Israel groups spent $22 million on lobbying & campaign contributions in 2018”

      RT QUESTION MORE, Feb. 15/19

      “Pro-Israel lobbyists funneled more than $22 million into the 2018 US election cycle, making the lobby far more active and influential than those aligned with other foreign nations, public records show.

      “Controversy was sparked last week after freshman Minnesota congresswoman Ilhan Omar tweeted that pro-Israel money affected the decisions of members of Congress. Omar faced swift backlash and condemnation even from her own party, as her colleagues rushed to label her comments as ‘outrageous,’ ‘disgraceful’ and even ‘anti-Semitic.’

      “In the aftermath, the Guardian examined figures available from the Center for Responsive Politics – a D.C.-based organization which tracks money in politics – and found that the Israel lobby is indeed ‘highly active and spends heavily’ to influence lawmakers.

      “In response to a tweet from a Jewish journalist asking who she believed was ‘paying American politicians to be pro-Israel,’ Omar specifically highlighted the influence the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). While AIPAC does not donate directly to political campaigns, it does spend millions on lobbying.

      “Indeed, the publicly available data shows that AIPAC – which lobbied against the Iran nuclear deal in 2015 and supported Trump’s withdrawal from it in 2018 – spent more than any other pro-Israel lobbying group. AIPAC spent more than $3.5 million on lobbying during the 2018 election cycle and over $5 million in the year in total — which was the highest since tracking began in 1998.

      “The powerful group is also known for taking newly elected members of Congress on junket trips to Israel which the Intercept called ‘incredibly influential’ in that they provide new House members with a ‘distinctly pro-Israel viewpoint on complex controversies”’ in the region.

      “On the Democratic side, those trips are usually led by House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, who has received $1.02 million from pro-Israel groups during his career, according to CRP figures.

      “Pro-Israel groups and individuals gave nearly $15 million to political campaigns during the 2018 election cycle, the highest since 1990, with the J Street Pac giving the highest amount of $4.03 million. About $2.1 million was also spent on political activity by pro-Israel foreign agents registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act in 2017 and 2018.

      “Dan Auble, a senior researcher at CRP, told the Guardian that he has not observed many other countries that have ‘a comparable level of activity’ in terms of domestic lobbying.

      “It’s not just a handful of politicians receiving the pro-Israel money, either. In fact, the Israel lobby donates to the majority of politicians, spending money on 269 House representatives and 57 senators’ campaigns last year.

      “Interestingly, the Guardian noted that Democrats who demanded an apology from Omar coincidentally received some of the highest levels of contributions from the pro-Israel lobby.

      “Democrat Eliot Engel, who chairs the House Foreign Affairs Committee (of which Omar is now a member), accused her of invoking an ‘anti-Semitic trope’ by suggesting that money from pro-Israel groups affects political discourse. Engel has received $1.07 million from the Israel lobby during his career – more than he’s received from any other industry. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has received $514,000 and Long Island Rep. Lee Zeldin, who called Omar’s tweet ‘sick & twisted’ has received nearly $330,000 from pro-Israel groups.

      “The Guardian also highlighted the fact that there’s probably ‘far more pro-Israel lobby money flowing into American politics’ than what is publicly tracked by groups like CRP, given that ‘dark money non profits’ aren’t required to disclose who their donors are. Billionaire Sheldon Adelson gave $250,000 to the Republican Coalition Jewish Victory Fund last year, for example, but that donation is not factored into the CRP tallies.

      “While the pro-Israel lobby spends relatively little in comparison with some other major industries, it spends far more in the foreign policy realm than PACs aligned with other countries – and over the decades, the money poured into US politics from pro-Israel groups has reached into the hundreds of millions, according to CRP.

      “For its efforts, Israel receives up to $4.5 billion in annual aid from the US, including the $3.8 billion promised every year for a decade under a deal signed by the Obama administration and about 700 million allocated by Congress last year to support Israel’s missile defense systems – a good return on investment, by any standards.”

  10. henspert on February 19, 2019, 5:10 pm

    Soft lives over here??? A main driver to expose Israel AIPAC etc. is to stop sending my cousins to fight in conflicts everywhere. All my cousins nieces and nephews get regular info from me for example articles from mondoweiss and Muslim perspectives. The image of Israel is going down hill with younger generations. I have single handedly changed my entire faith community on this issue. They have other meeting houses to further communicate in US and England. AFSC is awake now Meeting houses will follow.

    • JWalters on February 19, 2019, 7:11 pm

      Great job! Thank you very, very much.

    • Maghlawatan on February 21, 2019, 9:30 pm

      Adelson is a trope. It is antisemitic to even talk about him.

      • Talkback on February 22, 2019, 1:04 pm

        It is an antisemitic trope to accuse Adelson of just being Adelson.

      • annie on February 22, 2019, 1:32 pm

        if one identifies as anti zionist yes, liberal zionist, no. it’s not so much what you say that determines what’s anti semitic, but who’s saying it. at least that’s what i learned from the Omar fiasco.

      • Mooser on February 22, 2019, 2:00 pm

        “It is an antisemitic trope to accuse Adelson of just being Adelson.”

        He’s a veritable troplodyte.

  11. wondering jew on February 19, 2019, 5:22 pm

    It is precisely the anti Zionist Jewish left that makes the Zionist Jewish left hesitant in attacking AIPAC. The goal of the antiZionist Jewish left is to rid Israel of Zionism and to trust that the new Palestine will be fair to its minority Jews. The Zionist Jewish left does not trust the idea of the new Palestine or in fact they trust it to resemble Lebanon at best and Muslim Brotherhood Egypt at worst. Thus they have two choices: either to join voices with the antiZionist left or with the Zionist right. Neither choice is to their liking, but most choose to defend AIPAC which is in effect a defense of right wing Israel.

    • Mooser on February 19, 2019, 5:44 pm

      “It is precisely the anti Zionist Jewish left that makes the Zionist Jewish left hesitant in attacking AIPAC”

      And “WJ” pulls another tablet out of his bottomless pilpul vile.

    • Maghlawatan on February 21, 2019, 9:42 pm

      WJ isn’t even a good liar. This AIPAC stuff is like “I have a girlfriend you’ve never met she lives in Canada” .

      During the shutdown when Federal workers were forced to go to food banks to feed their kids and US national security was compromised AIPAC was in the Senate working on a bipartisan anti BDS bill

      Moshiach could come back before WJ and his fellow travelers take on the lobby. This is not a community only issue. Neither was Tammany Hall back in the day

      https://mobile.twitter.com/RanttMedia/status/1088585041763098624

  12. echinococcus on February 19, 2019, 5:49 pm

    “Even liberal Zionists honor that code”

    What exactly does that “even” mean? Those “liberals” are the original invaders and genocidaires, ffs. Of course they do “honor that code”: they invented it: they are the original article. Continuing to insinuate that they are somehow less ferocious is not helpful at all.

  13. JWalters on February 19, 2019, 7:06 pm

    Thanks for the link to the MSNBC debate between Peter Feld and Batya Ungar-Sargon. They are BOTH writers at the Forward, and it was masterful of MSNBC’s Ayman Mohyeldin to get them on together. Normally a Zionist NEVER appears side-by-side with a critic of Zionism.

    Ungar-Sargon never did answer Mohyeldin’s question as to why Omar’s tweet was anti-Semitic. Just a lot of emotional runaround. Feld’s simple facts were clear and eloquent.

    This is another welcome crack in Israel’s blockade of the truth. Maybe Tel Aviv Rachel will also be released from her choke-chain. “I’m shocked! shocked! to find there is ethnic cleansing going on in Palestine.”

  14. Nathan on February 19, 2019, 7:43 pm

    “They [the American Jews] are lesser; the Hebrew language even describes them as such: yoredim, lower…”

    There are some very serious mistakes in one short sentence. First of all, Phil doesn’t know the Hebrew language at all. “Yoredim” means “those who go down”. It does not mean “lesser” or “lower”. Secondly, the term is NOT used in reference to American Jews at all. The Israelis who leave the country are called “yoredim”. It is the opposite of those who come to live in Israel, the “olim” – those who go up. That’s the ancient Hebrew language: Those who come to the Land of Israel are going up (to the Temple in Jerusalem), and those who leave (Jerusalem) are going down. The modern Hebrew language continues the imagery of the ancient language.

    How is it that Phil doesn’t know such an item of common knowledge? Anyone who follows issues of Israeli society surely knows that “yoredim” are Israelis who choose to live outside of Israel. Moreover, if the meaning of the term slipped by Phil (despite its common use in literature), then surely a journalist should have the tools of verifying its meaning. It’s going to be hard to take any of his observations seriously.

    • echinococcus on February 19, 2019, 10:31 pm

      Endure the torture of reading the Nathanic prose to discover that he just simply confirms what Weiss said, while calling him wrong: in the constructed Modern Hebrew language invention (which on this point may or may not follow the ancient natural language), whoever does not participate to colonial invasion and genocide is of lower status, no matter if one “is” or “becomes” lower.
      //
      Your moneybags owners in the US won’t like that.

      • Misterioso on February 20, 2019, 8:44 am

        @echinococcs

        Desperate to make a “point,” Nathan one again shoots himself in the foot.

    • eljay on February 20, 2019, 8:23 am

      || Nathan: … The Israelis who leave the country are called “yoredim”. … “yoredim” are Israelis who choose to live outside of Israel. … ||

      Wiki:

      … Yerida (Hebrew: ירידה‬ yerida, “descent”) is a Hebrew term referring to emigration by Israeli Jews from the State of Israel … Yerida is the opposite of Aliyah (עליה‬, lit. “ascent”), which is immigration to Israel. Zionists are generally critical of the act of yerida and the term is somewhat derogatory.
      . . .
      Emigrants from Israel are known as yordim (“those who go down [from Israel]”). … The use of the Hebrew word “Yored” (which means “descending”) is a modern renewal of a term taken from the Torah …

      You appear to be correct that the derogatory term applies to emigrants from Israel and not to non-Israeli Jews.

      You appear to be incorrect that the derogatory term applies to emigrant “Israelis” – it appears to apply only to emigrant Jewish Israelis.

      • YoniFalic on February 20, 2019, 7:17 pm

        One ascends (עולה) to Jerusalem or to Mt. Zion.

        One descends (יורד) from Jerusalem or from Mt. Zion.

        Zionists expanded the usage, and the expanded usage is not without precedent in either Rabbinic or Karaite texts.

      • Talkback on February 21, 2019, 9:05 am

        @ YoniFalic

        It’s not restricted to Jerusalem or Mt. Zion. It is actually about the land of Israel and its geograhical surrounding, especially Egypt and Babylon which were considered to be lower. And therefore it is a relative term.
        http://toraumada.blogspot.com/2016/08/Devarim-Land-of-Israel-is-higher-than-all-other-lands.html

        It seems that the Zionists have expanded a relative geographical term to an absolute pseudo religious/spiritual one. Even if one descends from the Himalaya to come to Israel one ascends. ROFL. They are absolutley bonkers.

      • YoniFalic on February 21, 2019, 1:17 pm

        Talkback is incorrect. Ascending was originally confined to Mt. Zion and only later to all Jerusalem. Later when pilgrimages became fashionable (after religious Polish aristocrats developed a fad for pilgrimages to the Holy Land) the expression was sometimes extended to the whole of the Land of Israel.

        Going to Babylon (Mesopotamia) from Israel is an act of ascent (going up). Some Babylonian sages considered leaving Babylonia for the Land of Israel to be a descent. This usage at least implicitly pointed out that Mishnaic, Talmudic, and Rabbinic Judaisms were really Mesopotamian religions for which Biblical Judaism was only a backstory.

        Classical Greek shared the same expression that Hebrew had.

        Ἀνάβασις (Anabasis) meant going up from the coast to the interior, and Xenophon used the word to refer to the march of Greek mercenaries from the coast to Mesopotamia.

        BTW, the opinion that Rabbinic Jews should not leave Babylon for the Land of Israel probably made no sense after the Mongols laid waste to Baghdad, but Iraqi Jewish sages reminded Iraqi Jews of the elevated status of Mesopotamia over the Land of Israel when Zionists tried to encourage and then to force emigration from Iraq to the Israeli state.

      • Talkback on February 21, 2019, 5:44 pm

        Yonifalic: “Talkback is incorrect. Ascending was originally confined to Mt. Zion and only later to all Jerusalem.”

        Your orginal claim was 1.) that it was Zionists which expanded the original usage of ascending and descending 2.) to Jerusalem or to Mt. Zion. And that this expanded usage was without precedent in either 3.) Rabbinic or Karaite texts. All three claims are incorrect. See:
        https://toraumada.blogspot.com/2016/08/Devarim-Land-of-Israel-is-higher-than-all-other-lands.html

        But feel free to also provide a source.

      • RoHa on February 21, 2019, 10:35 pm

        “Iraqi Jewish sages reminded Iraqi Jews of the elevated status of Mesopotamia over the Land of Israel when Zionists tried to encourage and then to force emigration from Iraq to the Israeli state.”

        It won’t be a problem when the Jewish state expands to include Mesopotamia.

      • YoniFalic on February 22, 2019, 8:21 am

        @Talkback: Please learn to read. I wrote the following.

        “Zionists expanded the usage, and the expanded usage is not without precedent in either Rabbinic or Karaite texts.”

      • Talkback on February 22, 2019, 1:17 pm

        @ Yonifalic.

        It wasn’t Zionist who expanded the usage beyond Jerusalem/Mt. Zion. We can allready read in the Talmud refering to the land of Israel as being the higher land.

      • Nathan on February 22, 2019, 6:00 pm

        eljay – The point of my comment was that Phil doesn’t understand a very commonly known term. He thinks that “yoredim” is a term that refers to the American Jews, and it’s really a very strange mistake. Who doesn’t know what “yoredim” means in Israeli society? How did he come across the term without catching on to its significance? Apparently, he’s not really paying attention, so it’s hard to take his observations seriously.

      • eljay on February 22, 2019, 9:41 pm

        || Nathan: eljay – The point of my comment … ||

        I’m well aware of your point, which is why I wrote:

        You appear to be correct that the derogatory term applies to emigrants from Israel and not to non-Israeli Jews.

        However, while making your point you also wrote:

        … The Israelis who leave the country are called “yoredim”. … “yoredim” are Israelis who choose to live outside of Israel. …

        My response to this part of your comment was:

        You appear to be incorrect that the derogatory term applies to emigrant ‘Israelis’ – it appears to apply only to emigrant Jewish Israelis.

        If I’m wrong, please correct me. If I’m not wrong, how could you make such a mistake? I mean…

        Who doesn’t know what ‘yoredim’ means in Israeli society?

        …right?

      • Talkback on February 23, 2019, 7:39 am

        Nathan: “Apparently, he’s not really paying attention, so it’s hard to take his observations seriously.”

        You don’t have to be so explicit about your agenda, Nathan. It’s obvious that you weren’t just interested in educating Phil about the literal meaning of one single Hebrew word, but that you will take any mistake no matter how small and irrelevant to try to discredit him as such. That’s how desperate you and your ilk has become after Hasbara’s has imploded.

        Applying the reasoning of your pathetic fallacy it is hard to take any observation by any Zionist seriously, including yours. But the result seems to be the same without even applying it.

    • Talkback on February 20, 2019, 2:47 pm

      Nathan: ““Yoredim” means “those who go down”. It does not mean “lesser” or “lower”.”

      Literallaly correct, but you are totally missing the point. The yoredim ‘descend’. They ‘lower’ themselves. From the standpoint of the olim they have become lower. And it is also their view of those who haven’t ascended (made aliyah), yet. Because the land of Israel is ‘higher’ than all other lands.

      • Sibiriak on February 20, 2019, 8:27 pm

        Exactly. Jews in the so-called “diaspora” who do not make “aliyah” to Israel–the act of ascending– remain lower than those who have. Phil’s basic point stands.

        The terminology should be reversed: Jewish immigration to Israel should be labelled “yerida” –descent– and emigration from Israel labelled “aliyah” (ascent).

      • YoniFalic on February 21, 2019, 2:36 pm

        There is a pop song that reverses the sense. While it’s mostly a reaction to high rents, maybe my peers have begun to wake up.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0uosb26w9c

    • Maghlawatan on February 21, 2019, 9:50 pm

      Yoredim refers to cunnilingus, Nathan.
      It comes directly from the Song of Songs.
      I thought you would have known that .

      « Everything reminds Milton of the money supply. Well, everything reminds me of sex, but I keep it out of my papers ». Solow

      https://youtu.be/8JNCS27rtQ8

      • Keith on February 22, 2019, 12:46 am

        MAGHLAWATAN- “Yoredim refers to cunnilingus, Nathan.”

        Are you serious? “Going down” literally refers to… er…ah…”going down?” Wow! Talk about biblical inerrancy!

        MAGHLAWATAN- “It comes directly from the Song of Songs.”

        Sing it out, brother, sing it out!

      • Maghlawatan on February 22, 2019, 11:04 am

        Zionism is bullshit , Keith . What’s good for the goose is good for the gander

  15. Kay24 on February 19, 2019, 9:47 pm

    I like the title. It is indeed a huge guilt trip, that has worked with the Germans, the EU, and of course the US. The two cards that have been constantly played have been the anti-semitic card, and the Holocaust card, both worn out, but it has yielded the results the zionists desired, the more the zionists portray themselves as victims, the more they can stifle criticism, and get the support, aid, and weapons, they have used against the real victims.

    “The American guilt trip never ends. At Any and Every Israel lobby event someone is sure to cut off criticism by leaning into a microphone and saying, We don’t live over there. Our sons and daughters don’t go into the army, it’s a tough neighborhood, and we can’t really judge the decisions that Israel makes about her security.”

    How about judging Israel for it’s brutal occupation, land theft, world condemn illegal settlements, and killing of unarmed civilians?
    Is that too much to ask?

    • Maghlawatan on February 20, 2019, 10:43 pm

      https://youtu.be/1zkjLVMMutY

      Antisemitism now means pro Palestinian

      https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/aug/14/bds-boycott-divestment-sanctions-movement-transformed-israeli-palestinian-debate

      . “The core issue is not whether they are going to boycott us or not boycott us,” Kuperwasser said. “The core issue is whether they are going to be successful in implanting in the international discourse that Israel is illegitimate as a Jewish state.”

      Israel is very unlikely to make it. It needs too many external things to work
      It is not self sustaining

      • Kay24 on February 21, 2019, 7:39 am

        They will never admit it, but they have got badly hit by the BDS movement, that is why they have poured in millions of dollars to fight it. I do think Muslim nations should educate their people on how to avoid buying Israeli products. Israel is devious in it’s marketing methods, by sticking false labels on their products, and even the EU has had issues with their dishonesty. I guess Saudi Arabia, and the UAE must be already allowing products by their new buddy, Israel, to come in to the country. This new lovey-dovey relationship with an occupier that kills their own people, is mind boggling.

      • RoHa on February 21, 2019, 7:55 pm

        “This new lovey-dovey relationship with an occupier that kills their own people, [sic] is mind boggling.”

        Misused commas aside, why do you think that Palestinians count as “their own people” for Saudi Arabia or the UAE?

      • Maghlawatan on February 21, 2019, 10:11 pm

        Action causes more trouble than thought

        Changing the definition of antisemitism is pretty extreme
        They are taking lots of risks to fight BDS

        When the shutdown was in full swing they were working in the Senate on a bipartisan anti BDS bill . This was also a trope.

        And yesterday the FT reported that the European Jewish Congress supports discussions in the French parliament to criminalise anti Zionism as anti Semitism.

        https://www.ft.com/content/be698782-35bc-11e9-bd3a-8b2a211d90d5

        The European Jewish Congress said this week that it supported discussions in the French parliament about the possibility of criminalising anti-Zionism as a form of anti-Semitism — although Mr Macron himself has said he does not favour legislation.

        Moshe Kantor, EJC president, said it was clear that “the overwhelming majority of those who claim to be anti-Zionist use it merely as a cover for their anti-Semitism”.

        There are 24m Muslims in Western Europe. I have a hoodie with hamdulillah printed on it and I always get a reaction in Paris.
        The back has a quote from fairuz. Al quds Lina. Al bait Lina . Jerusalem is ours. The house is ours
        from this song
        https://youtu.be/XrNaPFgyNkE

        The bots are trying to immunise Israel against BDS by criminalizing it but this is deluded. European Muslims will not accept it. Ya ´ni

        Politics is not about what you believe: it’s about how much of your beliefs can you turn into action given the electoral and social forces at your disposal

  16. scott9854958 on February 19, 2019, 10:00 pm

    I don’t think any Jews are giving Omar permission to do anything. She’s from a Muslim country and has a radically different view of I-P than someone born here. When she tweeted, even “liberal” Jews piled on her.

    Gentiles are around 98% of this country and they need to take control of this debate, not wait for permission from anyone. It’s our tax dollars that are being used against our wishes.

    I would add that much of the Never Trump movement is made up of neoconservative Jews who don’t trust him, because candidate Trump made dangerous noises about NATO and Middle East regime change.
    So this idea that all the Jewish groups have lined up behind him is a bit misleading.

  17. RoHa on February 19, 2019, 11:30 pm

    “all the older Americans murmur to one another with reverence, Her parents were in the Irgun. Tzipi Livni is Zionist royalty.”

    Older Americans revere terrorists?

  18. Jackdaw on February 20, 2019, 4:51 am

    “..some liberals thought the big American Jewish organizations would work against Donald Trump. No. They stuck with Trump so he would stick with Israel. ”

    How idiotic.

    The major Jewish organizations do not try to ‘take down’ any administration. They try to work with them to the best of their abilities. No major American Jewish organization came out in support of Trump’s election.

    None.

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-two-prominent-jewish-republican-donors-cut-gop-ties-over-trump-1.6479726

    How idiotic.

    • Misterioso on February 20, 2019, 9:55 am

      @jackdaw

      “No major American Jewish organization came out in support of Trump’s election.”

      $100 million is a huge sum, which Sheldon Adelson’s pro-Israel organization has eagerly provided the Republicans with much more to come.

      Haaretz, Dec. 7/18, by Amir Tibon
      WASHINGTON – “Casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson is reportedly spending at least $55 million during the upcoming midterm elections in order to keep Republicans in control of Congress.”

      “The Casino billionaire’s total contributions to various Republican causes surpass $100 million, according to the New York Times, possibly making him the largest single donor in American politics today.”

      https://israelpalestinenews.org/sheldon-adelson-spending-100-million-total-to-keep-control-of-u-s-policies-on-israel/
      If Americans Knew Blog, Sept. 23/18
      “Sheldon Adelson spending $100 million to keep control of U.S. policies on Israel”
      “Casino billionaire’s total contributions on behalf of Israel in 2016 & 2018 reported to surpass $100 million, possibly making him the largest single donor in American politics today”
      By Amir Tibon, reposted from Ha’aretz

      EXCERPT:
      WASHINGTON – “Casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson is reportedly spending at least $55 million during the upcoming midterm elections in order to keep Republicans in control of Congress. Adelson’s spending commitment was first reported on Saturday by the New York Times, in an article describing how Adelson has become the most influential donor in the Republican Party during U.S. President Donald Trump’s time in office.

      “According to the report, Adelson’s total spending on behalf of the Republicans in the 2016 and 2018 election combined, will surpass $100 million, probably making him the largest single donor in American politics today. Adelson had previously spent tens of millions of dollars during the 2012 election in a failed attempt to help Mitt Romney, that year’s Republican nominee, oust Barack Obama from the White House.”

      Nor should we forget the huge contributions to the Democrats provided by Haim Saban’s organization.

      Also, see:
      https://www.rt.com/usa/451583-israel-lobby-millions-influence/

      • Jackdaw on February 20, 2019, 12:48 pm

        Oh. I’m sorry. I thought I said major Jewish organizations.
        Wait. I did say major Jewish organizations, and citizen Adelson is not a major Jewish organization.

        You’re citing RT now?
        Putin’s house organ?

        Great.

      • Talkback on February 20, 2019, 1:27 pm

        Jackdaw: “You’re citing RT now?
        Putin’s house organ?

        Great.”

        Isn’t it? Well to be honest all the figures in this article are from https://www.opensecrets.or but this is not the time for you to start caring about facts.

  19. Ossinev on February 20, 2019, 7:32 am

    @Nathan
    ” Anyone who follows issues of Israeli society surely knows that “yoredim” are Israelis who choose to live outside of Israel.”

    Please clarify. These “Israelis who choose to live outside Israel”.
    Are they:
    1) Jewish Israeli citizens who have left Israel and taken up citizenship of another country or
    2) Jews who have decided to stay in the country of their birth/citizenship such as the USA rather than take up the offer of free citizenship/illegal settlement apartments in their Ancient Historic Homeland ?

  20. Mooser on February 20, 2019, 11:45 am

    Why are American Jews so soft? I can’t speak for everyone but those who treasure our essential separateness blame George Washington and his policy of forced Jewish assimilation in the US.

  21. Jejasalo on February 20, 2019, 2:51 pm

    The “biggest guilt trip” is now more a sign of hypocrisy. More Israelis are emigrating from Israel than immigrating to it. Serving in the IDF may have had its halo of glory but that is becoming a myth.

    Not all that long ago I spoke to the Public Relations Director of Hizbullah who noted that Israelis have come to take the luxuries of life for granted; they like their comforts and conveniences and are becoming more intolerant of Jewish Israeli deaths in confrontations such as the one with Hizbullah in Lebanon in 2006.

    They no longer want to die for the glory of the nation even though they may say otherwise. Dying for one’s country has to be peddled more intensively as heroic when a genuine confrontation arises and even then this idea and the reality among Israelis don’t genuinely coincide. You’ve got to talk the talk but not necessarily want to walk the walk.

    It should be mentioned that the state-backed massacres in Gaza are an exception to this rule. There is no real threat from Gaza (or the West Bank) so it’s easy to put on your uniform and march proudly and confidently off to slaughter “terrorists”.

    Very few Israelis are killed, especially in proportion to the number of Palestinians they kill. There is risk involved, but it’s relatively small. During the al-Aqsa intifada suicide bombings in Israel were an international outrage. But that problem has mostly taken care of itself: the types of collective punishment meted out to families and relatives of the bombers served only to prove again that violence wasn’t resolving the core issues and that Israel could successfully portray itself as the victim.

    Entry to Israel from the OPTs and East Jerusalem is also so limited that the “threat” has been mostly “contained” even if the people of Gaza are growing more restless, angry, and –possibly—extreme. Face to face negotiations won’t have to take place as long as the Israeli side retains its vast military superiority.

    Israel has become different from organizations like Hizbullah and countries such as Iran. In the latter two groups, sacrificing one’s life for land and faith is still revered by a majority of the people involved. History lives in the present when honoring the fallen of the Iran-Iraq War, for example. Doing so is taken very seriously.

    Superficially this can be said of Israel, but the reality is that a good part of the Israeli population doesn’t want to send its sons and daughters off to die in bloody conflicts. A war with Iran would almost certainly take place on Iranian soil and would not require the type of ground troops used, for example, in the 1982 invasion of Lebanon. An Israeli attack on Iran would follow the “we kill – you die” pattern so pervasive in US military adventures overseas.

    Advanced weaponry, especially drones, can do most of the dirty work for us. That way another great American anti-war movement is fended off. Bodies of the dead returning home cannot be filmed. Numbers and details about the dead are rarely mentioned in the news. And the reality is that most Americans have no idea how many of their soldiers have died, or that there is even a war going on. It has become commonplace to keep this kind of information out of the news.

    It would be more difficult to do so in Israel, especially in a war with Hizbullah that would include fighting and serious attacks in Israel. In any war between Hizbullah and Israel, Hizbullah would win – said the PR Director, “because we are not afraid to die.”

    Are Israelis really still able to say that American Jews are taking the easy way out? That they don’t really know what it’s like and therefore have no business criticizing the Israeli military? This is still the major guilt trip put on American Jews. The question is whether the guilt-trippers can continue to condemn self-righteously and with sincerity Jews of the diaspora.

    • Maghlawatan on February 20, 2019, 10:39 pm

      « And the reality is that most Americans have no idea how many of their soldiers have died, or that there is even a war going on. It has become commonplace to keep this kind of information out of the news. »

      https://youtu.be/8cS-108JKls

  22. Maghlawatan on February 20, 2019, 10:20 pm

    “Her parents were in the Irgun. Tzipi Livni is Zionist royalty.

    Compare to real class like the Husseini family

    Livni is a tramp.
    So is Skippy Regev who is now Ambassador to the U.K.
    His twitter feed is 50% incitement against Iran, 30% arselicking of antisemitic leaders from Eastern Europe and 20% other nonsense.

    @MarkRegev
    – there is nothing to celebrate about 40 years of a brutal and corrupt regime. The people of #Iran deserve better.

    MarkRegev
    ·
    Jan 28

    Like the UK, Israel does not see Maduro as the legitimate leader of Venezuela.

    Anyway this tweet gets to the essence of the Zionist Jew vs the sensitive US Jew who minds her own business

    Mark Regev

    @MarkRegev
    ·
    Jan 26

    At
    ‪@JW3London‬
    ‘s ‪#HMD2019‬ commemoration, I asked this of others:

    “Is it not too easy to pity the persecuted Jew?
    What if the Jew has decided not to be a victim any more?
    What if the Jew has decided to be independent, equal and strong?
    Do you still like the Jew then?”

    Where do you start?
    Is it possible to be independent if you are addicted to violence ?
    Can someone addicted to violence not be a victim?Can a compulsive liar ever be respected ?

    And why do Zionists have to be liked?
    Where does the desire to please come from?

    Take a regular nation like the Uzbeks. Do Uzbeks give a shit what anyone thinks about them? Perhaps they are not diplomatically existentially dependent on a lobby in DC to provide political insurance for a very dangerous project that has cost over $100 bn and is illegal under international law.

  23. Maghlawatan on February 20, 2019, 10:30 pm

    “We don’t live over there. Our sons and daughters don’t go into the army, it’s a tough neighborhood, and we can’t really judge the decisions that Israel makes about her security.”

    American Jews provide money and political backup but have no say in the running of the project. Non executive director status .
    There is zero oversight of the project. The C Suite run enormous risks and nobody monitors them .
    It is assumed that Israel is forever. Because gd cares

    “ Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. “.
    Flannery O’Connor

    https://youtu.be/GXCh9OhDiCI

  24. Maghlawatan on February 20, 2019, 10:48 pm

    Re AIPAC and dissent

    Dissents speak to a future age – Ruth Bader Ginsburg (NotoriousRBG).

  25. wondering jew on February 21, 2019, 5:01 am

    In regards to Jews being loyal to Menachem Begin rather than Jimmy Carter, the first thought that comes to mind is the success of the anti Arafat propaganda. To present Carter’s proposals regarding settlements as if the issue was really settlements is avoidance of the truth. Carter wanted to establish a Palestinian state and most Jews were not ready for such a proposal of reaching a peace with Arafat. Him with his pistol at the UN barely 3 years before that. (okay, so the holster was empty, but this was a decade before his 1988 recognition of Israel and in ’77 a Palestinian state was a truly alarming prospect.) if the Jewish supporters of Israel would have been in favor of a Palestinian state they would have gone along with Carter for that purpose. They were opposed. (My own attitude towards Arafat underwent changes. I am no admirer, but I view the revulsion with a grain of salt. I think he never made a decision if he could delay making the decision and that ultimately Israel had to force him to make decisions and it was not ready to do so. Also I think in 2000 Arafat thought that maybe an intifada was a good idea .)

    In the aftermath of WWII there have been two major Jewish projects: American Jewish liberalism and Zionism. And American Jewish liberalism really is not a Jewish project per se, it can be seen as an integrationist project, an assimilationist project. Zionism was and is a more revolutionary project: changing history, ending powerlessness or to be more precise, ending the powerlessness of disarmament.

    Zionism has been a catastrophe for the Palestinians and because it has required stubborn apathy towards that catastrophe from the Jews, it has been a catastrophe for Jewish kindness. It has forced Jews to be cruel.

    in the immediate aftermath of ww2, such cruelty was “justified”. these jews will not go dancing into the gas chambers. but it’s been 74 years since Auschwitz was liberated. The mechanics change.

    Jews like me were hoping that Rabin or Ehud Barak would strike a deal with Arafat, not a perfect deal, but a way to move forward with less animosity and less cruelty. It didn’t happen. Netanyahu is the face of Israeli apathy towards cruelty.

    Aipac was expressing the will of most Jewish supporters of Israel in 1980 when they were wary of a Palestinian state. But 2018 is different. Jewish support for Israel has weakened. Bibi’s friendship with Trump has strained things. I don’t blame major Jewish organizations for being tepid in their opposition to Trump. I blame Bibi for being Trump’s best friend and Aipac always reflects the governments of Israel (and is slower to turn on a dime regarding change in policy when a rabin or a barak get a premiership and change policy that has been basic since 1977’s likud dominance.)

    Israel is a revolutionary change in the history of the end of Jewish disarmament. It was a reaction to the catastrophe of Europe. 2019 is a different point in history than 1967.

    • eljay on February 21, 2019, 8:20 am

      || wondering jew: … Zionism … has forced Jews to be cruel. … ||

      What a shameless cop out. Zionism has always been a choice. For decades Jews have chosen to be Zionist and to advocate, engage in, support and/or defend Zionism’s acts of injustice and immorality (incl. colonialism, (war) crimes and religion-based supremacism).

      This latest example of shoot-and-cry self-absolution is a bad joke.

    • Talkback on February 21, 2019, 9:20 am

      wandering jew: “It has forced Jews to be cruel.”

      They were only following orders, weren’t they?

    • Mooser on February 21, 2019, 6:36 pm

      “Israel is a revolutionary change in the history of the end of Jewish disarmament.”

      So, all the Jews in non-Israeli countries are hostages of, and for, Israel. Isn’t that nice? Such a deal.
      And “Yonah”, before you start yodeling “Cruel Jews be Kind, In the Right Fashion”, learn to count.

    • RoHa on February 22, 2019, 12:37 am

      “it has been a catastrophe for Jewish kindness.”

      Perhaps you could restore some of that fabled Jewish kindness by being kind to me and learning to write a conditional sentence.

      “if the Jewish supporters of Israel HAD been in favor of a Palestinian state they would have gone along with Carter for that purpose.”

    • RoHa on February 22, 2019, 12:42 am

      “in the immediate aftermath of ww2, such cruelty was “justified”. these jews will not go dancing into the gas chambers.”

      The cruelty was chosen long before WW2, when Zionism was first cooked up.

      And in the immediate aftermath of WW2 there was no danger of gas chambers. In Palestine, though, there was the danger of living as equals with non-Jews.

      And integration really is not a Jewish project.

  26. just on February 22, 2019, 12:36 pm

    wrt Kraft:

    “New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft charged as a ‘john’ in human trafficking/prostitution investigation …

    According to a tweet by TMZ, Robert Kraft’s spokesman said, “We categorically deny that Mr. Kraft engaged in any illegal activity. Because it is a judicial matter, we will not be commenting further.”

    A friend of President Trump and frequent visitor to Mar-a-Lago, Kraft was in the area as recently as this past weekend, when he attended a fundraiser at The Breakers for the Everglades Foundation. Entertainment at the event included John Bon Jovi and Jimmy Buffet.

    Kraft has dated actress Ricki Noel Lander, who is 39 years his junior, since 2012. He was previously married to Myra Hiatt from 1963 until her death in 2011. …

    Kraft, 77, who in addition to the Patriots, owns the New England Revolution Major League Soccer team and other businesses, is number 79 on the Forbes 400 list of the richest Americans, with a net worth of $6.6 billion.

    He and his family are active in philanthropic causes and have donated more than $100 million to a variety of organizations.

    Kraft is the recipient of the 2019 Genesis Prize from Israel, widely known as the “Jewish Nobel” prize. It is granted each year to a person recognized as an inspiration to the next generation of Jews through professional achievement and commitment to Jewish values.

    WPTV has reached out to the New England Patriots organization for a statement but has not yet received a response.

    Human trafficking investigation

    As for the human trafficking case in Martin County, Snyder described the operation as an 8-month, multi-agency investigation. “The tentacles of this go from here to New York to China, in Florida from here to Orange County,” Snyder said.

    Snyder stressed the case is bigger than what was disclosed Tuesday.

    “I think it’s very safe to say without any hyperbole that this is the tip of the iceberg,” Snyder said. …”

    https://www.wptv.com/news/region-n-palm-beach-county/jupiter/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-as-a-john-in-human-trafficking-prostitution-investigation

  27. snaidamast on February 23, 2019, 10:27 am

    An interesting read and seminal work on Israeli sociology is by the 1960s Israeli sociologist, Amos Elon and his work, “Fathers and Sons”. Elon studied many love letters between Israeli adults as one basis for his studies and found that due to the nature of the Israeli culture, he found adult Israelis to be very immature.

    I doubt it has changed over the years and this is one of the factors that makes the Israeli culture so easily inbred…

  28. YoniFalic on February 23, 2019, 1:01 pm

    Support for Israel is based on the greatest fraud in human history.

    Only a moron, an ignoramus, or liar would claim that ancient Romans are ancestors of more than a small minority of medieval Roman Catholics.

    Likewise only a moron, an ignoramus, or liar would claim that ancient Judeans are ancestors of medieval Jews. From ancient and Medieval sources we know (1) that there were many large conversion events and (2) that ancient Judeans never left Palestine but gradually converted first to Christianity and then to Islam. At the end of the 13th century, the Crusaders recorded that the last native Judeans practicing Judaism converted to Islam.

    The nonsense of a Jewish “return” to its homeland is a ridiculous propaganda narrative meant to legitimize and to justify both theft of a country from its natives and also genocide of its natives.

    I must be the only lawyer participating in this conversation.

    The Appellate Court has effectively ordered in reversing a legally incorrect dismissal that the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia must to try whether Zionists are committing genocide in Palestine.

    This trial will make it possible to open a discussion whether Zionists planned and committed genocide in Palestine and whether this genocide continues before the eyes of the world.

    It is self-evident from the writings of Zionists from the 1880s onward that Zionists had requisite mens rea and that acti rei began at least as early as the 19-00s, reached a crescendo in 47-8, and continue to this day.

    A correct decision on the part of the jury fully sustained via litigation through SCOTUS will compel the FBI to arrest wholesale all those (including politicians and political officials), who provide material assistance to ongoing Zionist genocide.

    Almost all national politician could be sent to prison under 18 U.S. Code § 1091 — Genocide. Such a result would almost certainly be healthy for US democracy.

    Here is the original complaint that was incorrectly dismissed. by the District Court.

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1JCgFmexbRYTATn08fFPTQrW-6UiyUP6m

    Kudos to Bassem al-Tamimi (Ahed’s father) et al. It is possible that they will drive stakes through the hearts of Zionism and of the State of Israel as they inadvertently save democracy in the USA.

    • just on February 23, 2019, 5:17 pm

      Thank you for your erudite and informed comment, YoniFalic. And, yes, “kudos to Bassem al- Tamimi et al”~ so many Palestinian giants. I often think of them and of the dearth of Israeli giants through these too long and miserable decades. So glad to see Hagee on the target list…

    • MHughes976 on February 23, 2019, 5:40 pm

      The plural of ‘actus reus’, guilty act, is actus rei’ – actus is a noun of the fourth declension and forms its plural by lengthening the u in stem. I suppose it was pronounced ‘actoose’.

      • YoniFalic on February 24, 2019, 1:59 am

        Thanks for the correction. Apparatus is a similar word, which has a similar plural although apparatuses may also be used. I have only seen actus in English language legal texts, and it never occurred to me that it came from the 4th declension.

    • YoniFalic on February 24, 2019, 10:19 am

      I was negligent.

      Special kudos to Martin F. McMahon, Esquire for excellent lawyering!

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