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The anti-Semitism of ‘kike’ and social exclusion has morphed into hazy ‘tropes’ about Israel

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“Down at the Dinghy” helped make J.D. Salinger’s reputation when it was published in 1949, but 70 years later a lot of people would have trouble understanding the story. Four-year-old Lionel Tannenbaum overhears one household servant say to another that his father is “a big sloppy kike,” and though he thinks “kike” means “kite,” he registers the force of the insult and runs down to the lake and sulks for hours in his father’s dinghy till his mother manages to get him, in tears, to tell what he heard then come back to the house. The maid fears she has lost her job — even as she says Lionel is “gonna have a nose just like his father.”

We were born in the 50s, so we’re old enough to remember real anti-Semitism in mainstream life. North’s lower middle class neighborhood in Chicago was nearly a third Jewish, but the private country club along Lake Michigan there excluded all Jews with one exception, a distinguished local pharmacist. Weiss’s father was subject to anti-Semitic discrimination at Johns Hopkins medical school. Norman Podhoretz and Alan Dershowitz made their names documenting the bars against hiring Jews in American literature departments and Harvard Law School; many clubs excluded Jews, and the classic novels that we were taught to admire had descriptions in them like the gangster Meyer Wolfsheim’s nostril hair and human-molar cufflinks in Fitzgerald’s The Great Gatsby and Robert Cohn’s irritating Jewish superiority complex in Hemingway’s The Sun Also Rises.

That’s genuine anti-Semitism. Social exclusion, job discrimination and vicious name-calling. Any Jew — any American — under 50 would have trouble recognizing that world because institutional and social life has changed so much since then. There isn’t a job or a club Jews can’t join. Jews have prominence in the media and sports franchise ownerships. The daughters of presidents want to marry Jews with their parents’ blessing. Does anyone even know anymore what the word “sheeny” is?

So what does “anti-Semitism” mean today? Minnesota congresswoman Ilhan Omar talking about AIPAC using money to sway Congress in support of Israel. Ilhan Omar questioning the arguments of Americans who show allegiance to Israel.

Omar has been roundly condemned and the words shoved down her throat. Because, we are told, they are anti-Semitic “tropes and canards.”

What is a “trope”? Trope means, he or she didn’t really say anything anti-Semitic in any genuine meaning of the term, but if we shine a harsh spotlight on the phrase it will seem unsavory and anti-Semitic so we’re good to go. And that direction is obvious. It’s support for Israel. Anyone who is a strong critic of Israel, like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, the only members of Congress to endorse boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS), is subject to smearing as an anti-Semite.

Ilhan Omar “is at it again – this time using an accusation of dual loyalty – among the oldest and most dangerous anti-Semitic charges,” says an organization of AIPAC veterans aimed at keeping Democrats on board for Israel. “This reckless rhetoric should be beneath a member of the United States Congress.”

Make no mistake: the rise of Donald Trump has provoked a disturbing revival of classic anti-Semitism. It was manifest in Charlottesville in 2017 and in Pittsburgh in 2018, the biggest mass murder of Jews in American history. The ADL’s “audit” of anti-Semitic incidents in the country is growing and convincing. Trump’s hatred toward Mexicans and Africans has unleashed resentment and bigotry against the Jewish minority, too. Rightwing nationalism is a real danger to Jews, and we’ve watched its expressions with growing alarm.

But the ADL “audit” includes anti-Israel statements on campus and in the activist grass roots that have everything to do with Israel and nothing to do with Jews as such. Many of these statements come from people who feel solidarity with Palestinians and want a democracy over there and an end to U.S. funding for Israeli massacres. The fear among Israel supporters is that such attitudes will be mainstreamed and break up the monolithic political support. So everyone from Obama to Macron proclaims that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism, and it is urgent business to marginalize two courageous Muslim women for standing up for human rights.

Israel has been persecuting Palestinians for three generations, and counting on American Jewish organizations to hold the bag. Criticizing that relationship is fair game, and it has absolutely nothing to do with calling someone a “kike.”

70 Responses

  1. Citizen
    Citizen
    March 4, 2019, 10:29 am

    ‘Onion’ uses the K-word https://shar.es/amG3qJ

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      March 5, 2019, 1:26 am

      @cz

      So, your saying (((((north))))))) used the k word like the onion? Lol. (Yeah I figured my previous comment about his using the word would be flagged).

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        March 8, 2019, 12:18 pm

        “Kikes!” is as outdated as “Yikes!”

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        March 9, 2019, 2:54 am

        @cz

        I know. It’s been replaced by ‘zionazi’ . But, it still packs a punch depending on one’s age

  2. Citizen
    Citizen
    March 4, 2019, 10:38 am

    Mondoweiss needs to do an article about this:
    #CPAC 2019, Where #Israel Is An Applause Line & Nearly Everything Else Too–The 3 Day Carnival For Israel https://youtu.be/saT41uOHljk via @YouTube Not much about America here.
    aka How #AmericaFirst Morphed Into #IsraelFirst

  3. Mooser
    Mooser
    March 4, 2019, 12:00 pm

    “Rightwing nationalism is a real danger to Jews, and we’ve watched its expressions with growing alarm.”

    Nah, that can’t be. It’s “left-wing anti-semitism” that poses the danger. Rightwing nationalism includes Jews now.

  4. amigo
    amigo
    March 4, 2019, 12:45 pm

    I posted this on another thread but it is more apt here.

    “Ohio Republican and House Freedom Caucus founder Jim Jordan tweeted a common anti-Semitic trope implying that Jewish billionaire Tom Steyer was influencing House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler.

    “Both Nadler and Steyer have Jewish roots, which led to immediate condemnation of Jordan for using a dollar sign instead of an “S” in Steyer’s last name. “.

    m/us-news/republican-congressman-tweets-anti-semitic-attack-on-leading-democrat-investigating-1.6984926

    $teyer—Nah , Jordan had a bad day at the Michael Cohen testimony and was tired and accidentally hit the wrong button.

    Even though it is 2 rows down .

    Not that we will hear a word about this from the defenders of Jewish sensitivities —ADL/Derschowitz, et al.

    • eljay
      eljay
      March 4, 2019, 1:44 pm

      || amigo: I posted this on another thread but it is more apt here.

      “Ohio Republican and House Freedom Caucus founder Jim Jordan tweeted a common anti-Semitic trope implying that Jewish billionaire Tom Steyer was influencing House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler. … ||

      Thing is, Jordan wrote nothing in his tweet about Steyer’s religious/ethnic/civilizational identity. All he did was replace the ‘S’ in a billionaire’s name with a dollar sign.

      The people who anti-Semitically “singled out” Steyer as Jewish – seemingly so that they could then smear Jordan with accusations of anti-Semitism – are the ones who should be held to account.

      • amigo
        amigo
        March 4, 2019, 2:37 pm

        Eljay, I agree entirely.

        Amy Siskind is mentioned as being one person who called him out.She also called Illhan Omar out , so she is at least consistent in her quest to find antisemitism wherever it doesn,t exist.

        My point however , is that those who attacked Omar in their hundreds ,(and they too were wrong), will be silent because Jordan is an apologist for Israel , even though in their minds , he is guilty of creating a Trope about Jewish Money.They should be called out for their silence .

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 4, 2019, 2:57 pm

        || amigo: … My point however , is that those who attacked Omar in their hundreds ,(and they too were wrong), will be silent because Jordan is an apologist for Israel , even though in their minds , he is guilty of creating a Trope about Jewish Money.They should be called out for their silence . ||

        Point taken.

  5. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    March 4, 2019, 1:57 pm

    This is superficial, to say the least. As if David Duke does not invoke antizionism to buttress his antisemitism. As if the only antisemitism in this country has been from whites against Jews but never blacks against Jews. as if Lemrick Nelson never killed Yankel Rosenbaum. as if Al Sharpton did not incite the firebombing of Freddie’s Fashion Mart . As if Louis Farrakhan never lived. As if the 1968 NYC teachers’ strike never took place. As if the tension between Jesse Jackson and the Jews of Hymietown never occurred. As if in the aftermath of 9/11 Amiri Baraka’s poem did not cite the talk of “who told 4000 Israeli workers to stay home that day?”

    To give a picture of antisemitism circa 1949 and to say that’s a thing of the past and it’s not a problem anymore except from the right wing nationalists inspired by Trump is ostrich journalism, biased journalism, in fact maybe it is not journalism at all.

    • eljay
      eljay
      March 4, 2019, 2:36 pm

      || wondering jew: … To give a picture of antisemitism circa 1949 and to say that’s a thing of the past and it’s not a problem anymore except from the right wing nationalists inspired by Trump is ostrich journalism, biased journalism, in fact maybe it is not journalism at all. ||

      Anti-Semitism exists today. Homophobia exists today. Neither brand of hate justifies a corresponding brand of evil in response.

      To say that anti-Semitism justifies Jewish / “Jewish State” supremacism, colonialism and (war) criminality is Zionist “morality”, biased “morality”, in fact it’s not morality at all (no maybe about it).

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 4, 2019, 7:57 pm

        ” blacks against Jews. as if Lemrick Nelson never killed Yankel Rosenbaum. as if Al Sharpton did not incite the firebombing of Freddie’s Fashion Mart . As if Louis Farrakhan never lived. As if the 1968 NYC teachers’ strike never took place.” “WJ”

        Yup, the Jews and the African-Americans, fighting it out for the last scraps of the American dream. Both struggled up from slavery, but who is more deserving of America’s love?

        BTW, here is the “seminal essay which impregnated “Yonah” : “My Negro Problem, and Ours” Norman Podhertz, Commentary Magazine.

    • Keith
      Keith
      March 4, 2019, 5:26 pm

      WONDERING JEW-
      You wear your Judeocentric bigotry on your sleeve.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 5, 2019, 11:12 am

        That’s the way the matzoh crumbles, into a half-baked cracker.

    • Peter in SF
      Peter in SF
      March 4, 2019, 7:28 pm

      As if the only antisemitism in this country has been from whites against Jews but never blacks against Jews.

      Antisemitism is by definition from whites against Jews, because it’s the idea that Jews, being Semites, are an ethnic group of non-European origin and therefore don’t deserve the same rights and privileges as white people. When non-white people hate Jews or attack Jews for being Jews, it’s not because of the ideology of antisemitism.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        March 4, 2019, 9:38 pm

        well, peter in sf instead of “the ideology of antisemitism” let’s talk about friction between Jews and nonJews. This exists in many situations and in fact can be driven by Jewish attitudes and actions and not just by racial attitudes or religious attitudes. The white men on top sometimes in the past have put limits on the Jews and this practice seems to be in the past tense in America. Resentment from lower middle class Germans was one of the primary organizing principles of the Nazi movement, totally divorced from top down hatred.

        The tensions between Jews in America and their urban neighbors has existed and continues to exist. I chose blacks because they are in the headlines regarding the tensions with Jews from the few examples that I presented. The idea that antisemitism must be a racist hatred of Jews for being a mud people is quaint. There were many types of Jew hatred through history and the specific racial theories that were concocted in the early part of the 20th century does not begin to explain the complications involved in this ancient amalgam of ideas that on occasion has lethal consequences.

        Zionism has complicated the Jewish question. It has not solved it. The geopolitical ramifications of seeking survival for a specific regime on a thin sliver of land at the other end of the Mediterranean has been quite staggering and I wonder if Herzl would be surprised by Netanyahu talking to Congress undercutting the sitting president regarding the nuclear ambitions of Iran. It was because of such geopolitics that Judah Magnes was opposed to statehood. I think the question of split loyalties is a valid question and I do not think that Ilhan Omar is a deep thinker regarding the future of the Middle East, but she is merely acting on instinct wanting freedom for the Palestinians. She thinks that if she says “dual loyalty” five hundred times that it will bring freedom closer to the Palestinians. I think calling her Hamas is Islamophobia. I think calling her antisemitic is firstly an attempt to get her to shut up, but I think the emotions that she stirs are deep emotions and she is a rabble rouser rather than a deep thinker and therefore people I respect: like David Myers of NIF have called her rhetoric antisemitic and I consider his reaction to be honest and not a smear. All I can say is that she is a shit stirrer and when you stir shit you stir emotions and getting called antisemitic is par for the course when the emotions get stirred.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        March 4, 2019, 9:52 pm

        David Myers in Hebrew interviewed in Makor Rishon. https://www.makorrishon.co.il/news/119253/

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        March 4, 2019, 11:03 pm

        The Myers interview preceded the current “dual loyalty” controversy and was referring to either “hypnotism” or “Benjamins”.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        March 5, 2019, 2:20 am

        So when whites hate Jews, it’s because of the ideology of anti-Semitism, but when non-whites hate Jews, it’s because they think Jews are arseholes?

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        March 5, 2019, 6:22 am

        wondering jew: “All I can say is that she is a shit stirrer and when you stir shit you stir emotions and getting called antisemitic is par for the course when the emotions get stirred.”

        Shit stirring implies that what she says isn’t true. But it is. And thefore she’s facing the wrath of the pro Israel shit stormers.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      March 5, 2019, 1:30 am

      @w

      Mostly agree but just an fyi: David duke has sometimes openly admired zionism as a way to justify his belief that whites somehow deserve america or part of it. surely he hates Jews and his pro Zionism is a way for him to approve of all the ‘Non human mud people jews’ to leave ‘european America’ and go to Israel

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        March 5, 2019, 11:09 am

        DaBakr: “… surely he hates Jews …”

        Surely you hate him. Otherwise you could actually prove that he defames Jews as such, as a people or collectively.

        So let’s be real. What did he actually not say about Jews, but about Israel or Zionism that made you hate him? The ugly truth? That it is an Apartheid state? That some of its policies are genocidal? Anything else you can’t deflect from by crying antisemitism?

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        March 17, 2019, 5:32 pm

        @tb

        so what…. you want me to prove duke doesn’t have a jew/black problem since he was a teen? your point is..? and why would I “hate” the guy? what a waste of energy. anger is one thing and can be used to either detriment or success. but hatred is useless and bitter. probably not as polarized as you imagine I am. but true- admitting one is a zionist on MW, if not considered ‘trolling’, is at least considered in very bad taste and racist or evil or otherwise morally bankrupt.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        March 17, 2019, 6:51 pm

        DaBakr: “you want me to prove duke doesn’t have a jew/black problem since he was a teen?”

        I’m not defending this guy. I couldn’t care less. I’m questioning unsubstianted accusations of defamations of Jews as such. So far I haven’t read any single quote that could substantiate the accusation. Just quote him and I won’t ask again. This is getting silly.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      March 5, 2019, 11:16 am

      wondering jew: “As if David Duke does not invoke antizionism to buttress his antisemitism. ”

      Maybe you are able to quote Duke where he defames Jews as such, as a people of collectively.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 5, 2019, 4:21 pm

        “As if David Duke does not invoke antizionism to buttress his antisemitism. ”

        ROTFLMSJAO! As if David Duke doesn’t invoke pro-Zionism to buttress his white nationalism.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        March 6, 2019, 4:43 am

        @moos

        Omg! You got something right. And without a dumb pun. Mazel

  6. peterfeld
    peterfeld
    March 4, 2019, 8:14 pm

    Someday someone can explain how words like “canard” became so entrenched in the Israel conversation that they’re like “spatula” in Portnoy’s Complaint, words you think are Jewish. Why are Zionists always “ardent” and anti-Zionists always “virulent”?

    • annie
      annie
      March 4, 2019, 9:16 pm

      hey peter, when will you get your twitter feed back? ever? have you started a new one?

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      March 5, 2019, 1:39 am

      @pt

      So use a thesaurus and find a different word. just because your obsessed with jews and Zionism doesn’t mean “canard” is limited to association with jew hatred. Try ‘myth’ or ‘psychopathic lies’
      If your old enough you might even remember some of the ridiculous canards about black athletes. They couldn’t swim, quarterback not play ice hockey according to idiot white guys supposedly expert in sports. Broaden your horizon and learn about other canards.

      Btw: “spatula” is Jewish? I always thought it was British, or Latin. But say the name “portnoy” and you immediately ring the jew bell

      • peterfeld
        peterfeld
        March 7, 2019, 12:31 pm

        In Portnoy’s Complaint, he fails a vocabulary test in school by failing to identify a spatula even though he knew the word. (He says he thought it was Yiddish word for it.) I was just pointing out how certain words recur when these issues are debated

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        March 7, 2019, 3:50 pm

        @pt

        Right. Using Roth to justify the so-called judization of the English language is a little lame. Maybe the word canard comes up more often in reference to Jews in your world because your hyper obsessed with jews in the first place. Just think about that.

      • G. Seauton
        G. Seauton
        March 9, 2019, 1:02 am

        “Portnoy” is Russian. It means “tailor.”

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      March 5, 2019, 2:22 am

      Because if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck …

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 5, 2019, 11:07 am

        “Because if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck …”

        Or scrapes the last little bit of batter from the bowl like a schpatula.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        March 6, 2019, 4:46 am

        @ms

        Oh. Now that you add the sch to the word it all makes sense. It’s a jew word, like canard.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 6, 2019, 11:24 am

        “It’s a jew word, like canard.”

        If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck …

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        March 7, 2019, 3:53 pm

        @mssr

        If you really believe Jews took over the English usage of canard, you have become the joke rather then eliciting the joke.

        Just try and say’canard’with your Yiddish accent.

  7. marc b.
    marc b.
    March 4, 2019, 8:18 pm

    The ADL’s audit. FFS. Convincing those predisposed to be convinced. See NPR report from June 28, 2018:

    “This comes after a wave of bomb threats in the U.S. to Jewish community centers. In 2017, the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish civil rights organization, tracked 169 threats made to Jewish institutions in the U.S. It’s not clear how many of those Kadar is responsible for.

    In St. Louis, Mo., for example, U.S. authorities arrested a different man, Juan Thompson, for multiple threats to Jewish institutions across the U.S. Thompson’s threats were reportedly part of a campaign he led to cyberstalk a woman he dated.

    The ADL reports that there have been no bomb threats so far this year.”

    So, Michael Ron David Kadar, an Israeli Jew, makes hundreds of bomb threats to American Jewish institutions, an undifferentiated contribution to a wave of bomb threats in 2017, and after his wings are clipped, ‘voila!’, no bomb threats reported in the first six months of 2018. Explain that, convincingly.

    • annie
      annie
      March 4, 2019, 9:14 pm

      they keep those bomb threats on the list of AS events yet don’t call Michael Ron David Kadar an anti semite. they call him a hacker. what’s up w/that?

      • marc b.
        marc b.
        March 4, 2019, 9:31 pm

        It’s the new anti Semitic maths.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 6, 2019, 11:28 am

        “It’s the new anti Semitic maths.”

        The greatest arithmetical system ever. There’s no numbers, only percentages.

  8. YoniFalic
    YoniFalic
    March 5, 2019, 12:25 am

    I can only look at this question historically because my family for 3 generations has lived in mandatory Palestine or in Stolen Palestine.

    Relatively speaking US Jews in the 50s seem to have faced far less exclusion than Sicilians, Hispanics, Orientals, or Blacks. The New Crowd (East European Jews) were likely to suffer exclusion from Our Crowd (Established German Jews) or from the Grandees (the even older Sephardic elite).

    I find no evidence that members of “Our Crowd” or the Grandees suffered any exclusion at all.

    Emma Lazarus, who came from a Grandee family, wrote The New Colossus, worked with East European Jews (apparently noblesse oblige), and considered them an ethnic group probably unfit for US citizenship.

    It is worth noting that European Jewish businesses over centuries considered it right and proper to exclude gentiles.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      March 5, 2019, 11:03 am

      “Relatively speaking US Jews in the 50s seem to have faced…”

      “Yoni” Please read Washington’s letter to the Touro Synagogue. Compare Washington’s assurances to the Jews to the attitude of the US Government towards African-Americans and Native Americans.
      Anybody else get an government certificate assuring them of the right Pantone number? Social exclusion not withstanding.

  9. Talkback
    Talkback
    March 5, 2019, 11:37 am

    “What is a “trope”? Trope means, he or she didn’t really say anything anti-Semitic in any genuine meaning of the term, but if we shine a harsh spotlight on the phrase it will seem unsavory and anti-Semitic so we’re good to go.”

    Nope. That’s actually wrong. A “trope” denotes figurative and metaphorical language. An antisemitic trope is based on antisemitic allegations against Jews as such.

    But we don’t need to get into that.

    Omar never accused Jews as such, as a people or collectively. If her accusations against some Jews remind others of false allegations against Jews as such (antisemitic tropes) is not her fault. In these cases the antisemitic associations are made by those who attack her, including Jews.

    These defamatory tactics are not only used to silence her, but to suggest the idea that not a single Jew or a group of Jews are allowed to be accused of immoral or questionable activities even the accusations (see AIPAC) are correct.

    It’s just the bigots shouting bigot.

  10. David Green
    David Green
    March 5, 2019, 3:33 pm

    “Make no mistake: the rise of Donald Trump has provoked a disturbing revival of classic anti-Semitism. It was manifest in Charlottesville in 2017 and in Pittsburgh in 2018, the biggest mass murder of Jews in American history. The ADL’s “audit” of anti-Semitic incidents in the country is growing and convincing. Trump’s hatred toward Mexicans and Africans has unleashed resentment and bigotry against the Jewish minority, too. Rightwing nationalism is a real danger to Jews, and we’ve watched its expressions with growing alarm.”

    No, I strongly disagree with conceding that “The ADL’s “audit” of anti-Semitic incidents in the country is growing and convincing”, as well as the rest of this statement. ADL studies, as well as those by the Southern Poverty Law Center, greatly exaggerate the genuine effects of alleged (I emphasize alleged) anti-semitism–in the contexts of support for Israel (ADL), and greedy fundraising (SPLC). The ADL’s studies are cooked up, opaque, de-contextualized, and make unsupportable assumptions about the relationship between (alleged and usually not proven) anti-semitism and actual consequences for Jews. Their purpose is to provoke moral panic.

    Notwithstanding Pittsburgh, there is zero evidence of a rise in anti-semitism. It needs to be said, regardless of the horrific event in Pittsburgh.

    And you engage in similar logic in concluding that “Trump’s hatred toward Mexicans and Africans has unleashed resentment and bigotry against the Jewish minority, too.”

    You have zero proof of this, only unproved allegations, speculation, assumptions, and careless claims of causality.

    Phil and James, don’t buy into the #resistance tropes that lump all “hate” together. You only play into the hands of the liberal Zionists, the “Bend the Arc” poseurs, etc. Don’t go all “intersectional” on unsuspecting Mondoweiss readers.

    • Keith
      Keith
      March 5, 2019, 6:53 pm

      DAVID GREEN- “You have zero proof of this, only unproved allegations, speculation, assumptions, and careless claims of causality.”

      I agree. Great comment.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      March 6, 2019, 12:19 am

      “don’t buy into the #resistance tropes that lump all “hate” together. You only play into the hands of the liberal Zionists, the “Bend the Arc” poseurs, etc. Don’t go all “intersectional” on unsuspecting Mondoweiss readers.”

      I agree. Don’t.

  11. klm90046
    klm90046
    March 5, 2019, 8:51 pm

    Until just a few weeks ago, 99% of Americans had never heard the word ‘trope.’ Now 1% haven’t.

    • G. Seauton
      G. Seauton
      March 9, 2019, 1:31 am

      klm90046: Right. In fact, “anti-Semitic tropes” is an abuse of the word “trope.” I understand the phrase to be intended to mean anti-Semitic ideas, stereotypes, slurs, myths, etc. But that’s not what the word “trope” means. They’d be better off talking about “anti-Semitic stereotypes” or “anti-Semitic ideas” or “anti-Semitic canards.” I can’t help but think that the use of the word “tropes” allows the Zionist users to make people confused about the issue while using a word that sounds sophisticated. The fact that they are using the word wrong speaks of a lack of sophistication however.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        March 9, 2019, 11:25 pm

        @gs

        The word trope is being used correctly when referencing many figurative and literal examples people use to spread fear or hatred of Jews. I have no clue what your idea of the proper usage of the word is. But your alternate examples are not incorrect.

        The point about the term anti-Semitism by @klm is more accurate. It was coined by an academic and it is true that while its meaning is clear their are other Semitic tribes. I prefer the term jew hatred so that it is still clear and the other Semitic tribes can’t claim it’s “impossible” for them to be anti Semitic when they just hate Jews.

  12. Scott
    Scott
    March 6, 2019, 9:29 am

    Peter, I never saw your twitter feed but the “ardent” v. “virulent” dichotomy spot on.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      March 7, 2019, 3:57 pm

      @s

      . Oh please. If it calms you down then please, call me a virulent zionist. I won’t cry about it. you Israel haters are so sensitive to language. shamed much?

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        March 10, 2019, 7:38 am

        DaBakr: “… Israel haters …”

        According to DaBakr an “Israel hater” is someone who is …

        ” … driven politically, personally and socially to engage in obsessive criticism on web sites officially named as hate sites of Israel, its policies, its citizens, army, leaders and supporters in the world”
        “… trying to have zionism branded as anything other then jewish nationalism & sovereignty for Jews in Israel.”

        Yet we still don’t know what and who qualifies “obsessive”, why the only reason to “engage in obsessive criticism” could be “hate”, which authority officially named these web sites “hate sites of Israel” and why branding real existing Zionism beyond “jewish nationalism & sovereignty for Jews in Israel” can only be considered as “hate”.

        So, DaBakr, so far it seems that your accusation is not only infantile, but just as hateful and viscious as antisemitc accusations.

        DaBakr: “… call me a virulent zionist …”

        Is that according to your pseudo reasoning above an example for hatred against Palestinian, Muslim or Nonjews? Someone who “virulently” engages in Zionism?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 10, 2019, 12:34 pm

        “on web sites officially named as hate sites of Israel”

        “Officially named as hate sites”? Who is the “officially” in this case?

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 10, 2019, 1:48 pm

        || @TheBaker: … you Israel haters are so sensitive to language. … ||

        Israel haters might be “sensitive to language” but Zionists are malevolent manipulators of language. The recent mad scramble to anti-Semitically transform the words “benjamins”, “AIPAC” and “Israel” into “Jews” and “the Jews” and “Jewish” so that you can then smear people with destructive accusations of anti-Semitism (and maybe even Jew-hatred) is only the latest example of the Zionist obsession with re-defining words to suit your hateful and immoral needs.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        March 10, 2019, 8:45 pm

        ‘Who is the “officially” in this case?’

        If not the Queen or the Aikikai, then not really official.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        March 11, 2019, 1:56 pm

        Mooser: “Officially named as hate sites”? Who is the “officially” in this case?”

        Bibi Longstocking, King of the Jews and patron saint of Hasbara trolls and character assassins.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        March 13, 2019, 2:42 pm

        So still no answers from DaBakr to explain his “Israel hater” accusation. It seems to be as irrational and insane as the defamation of Jews as such.

      • annie
        annie
        March 13, 2019, 3:07 pm

        talkback, i think the key to understanding the accusation lies here:

        If it calms you down then please, call me a virulent zionist.

        this is so helpful. if we examine the state of mind of one who believe accusations having a calming effect on the accuser, we can better grasp where his accusation (israel hater) comes from. by accepting the sincerity of his belief (that accusations having a calming effect) by his own words, he believes he’s healing himself with his accusation. he’s feeling scared, threatened and accusing us to calm himself. while it might seem “irrational and insane”, there’s a method to this madness if he believes it (that accusations have a calming effect). poor dabakr, it’s only his psychosis that leads him to repeat the #1 weapon hasbrats use against human rights activists, the ad hominem attack: it calms him down.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        March 14, 2019, 1:55 pm

        @ Annie

        Interesting.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        March 16, 2019, 3:30 pm

        @annie

        Had the moderators not deleted my response to you last week or the week before where i addressed your own (possible) psychological assumptions I would consider a response. Otherwise, opine away. You have already made it very clear how you deal with zionists though I doubt you understand your underlying motivation.

      • gamal
        gamal
        March 16, 2019, 7:01 pm

        ” where i addressed your own (possible) psychological assumptions I would consider a response. Otherwise, opine away. You have already made it very clear how you deal with zionists”

        Yes Yonah wants everyone face to face.

        yes man lets meet Annie down by the spring at Nabi Saleh, maybe down by where the Bedouin are at Khan al Ahmar or maybe we could hold hands in Jerusalem anywhere in the Jordan valley, anywhere at all, how bitter is going to be your regret Dabakr when you have to explain your own underlying assumption…The Habashi made a track ” this land” i have a feeling Annie may rock out to it “had the moderators” not forbidden it, follow the link db and you too could rock out with rest of humanity.

        https://youtu.be/VJUzbtblcU4

      • annie
        annie
        March 16, 2019, 7:10 pm

        putting a smile on my face again gamal ;)

      • gamal
        gamal
        March 16, 2019, 7:28 pm

        hey Annie, you know you made me think, keith hudson summed up everything in Civilisation, it drives and has rhythm but still it’s a tough life, “don’t let me leave your lonely world”, world is going crazy thank god I was longtime deranged, ready for this world now, keith says it all and look at him stare…we not really bad you know we only make noise as the gods intended.

        https://youtu.be/TIiffl1IQOE

  13. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    March 9, 2019, 9:17 am

    @G.Seauton
    ” In fact, “anti-Semitic tropes” is an abuse of the word “trope.” I understand the phrase to be intended to mean anti-Semitic ideas, stereotypes, slurs, myths, etc. But that’s not what the word “trope” means”

    The universal application of the term ” Anti – Semitic ” to describe hated of Jews or Judaism came about by default even though it is strictly inaccurate as there are lots of ethnic Semitic peoples including and not least Palestinian Muslim and Christian Arabs.
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-Semitism

    World Jewry has not as yet claimed any form of patent or trademark on the term Anti Semitic or Anti Semitism largely because there has not as yet as far as I am aware been any form of legal challenge along the lines of a defendant arguing that he/she is not an Anti – Semite because he/she does not and has not shown any “hatred” for ethnic semitic peoples.

    Zios may choose to get ahead of the game with the term ” trope ” however and seek to establish it legally as relating solely to Judaism ie Catholics would not be able to refer to Anti – Catholic tropes , Muslims would not be able to refer to Anti Muslim tropes , Mormons would not be able to refer to Anti Mormon tropes. The ( ex Catholic altar boy ) Christian Evangelist Mike Pence would not be able to refer to Christian Evangelist tropes.

    It`s all becoming trope much to bear.

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