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The New York primary keeps bubbling away on Israel stuff. Clinton is besting Bernie Sanders among New York Jews. But he is clearly pitching himself toward progressive Jews.

First, the JTA reports that Bernie Sanders’s outreach-director to the Jewish community is a young non-Zionist Jew, Simone Zimmerman. Zimmerman got thrown out of a Brooklyn synagogue last year when she demonstrated for the Iran deal against AIPAC, which was hosting a teach-in there for Brooklyn congressman Hakeem Jeffries (who voted for the deal). Zimmerman calls herself a “Jewish millennial fighting for a better world.”

In March she denounced the University of California regents’ statement that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.

She said that Donald Trump and AIPAC are two peas in a pod. (Shidduch means match in Yiddish.)

JTA gives more of Zimmerman’s Israel backstory:

During the 2014 Gaza war, Zimmerman was one of the leaders of a group of young Jews that held regular protest vigils outside the offices of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, reading the names of Palestinians and Israelis killed in the conflict.

She opposes Israel’s occupation, wants Hillel to allow participation by groups that support the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement against Israel, is against Jewish federation funding for Israeli projects in the West Bank and wrote favorably of the efforts of Jewish Voice for Peace, a pro-BDS group, to get “international corporations to stop profiting off human rights abuses.” (The Anti-Defamation League has called JVP one of America’s top 10 anti-Israel groups.)

“We’re paying attention to what’s happening in Israel — and we are angry,” Zimmerman said in a column on her fellow millennials in Israel’s daily Haaretz in February.

Some anti-Sanders groups already have seized upon Zimmerman’s hire, first disclosed in a JTA story published Monday, as fodder for their argument that a Sanders presidency would be bad for the Jews.

Zimmerman is clearly representative of the new generation of political Jews. They don’t want anything to do with the militarized occupying Jewish state. Her twitter feed slams the occupation again and again. She was opposed to Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) while in college but has since urged that pro-BDS voices not be excommunicated, JTA says. And she celebrates the “adorable yids,” as she calls the kids pictured at the top of this post, who welcomed Sanders to Brooklyn last Friday.

Meantime, Hillary Clinton has seized on Sanders’s comments about Gaza to try to  separate herself from the progressive. Rania Khalek in EI:

On Sunday morning…  Speaking to CNN’s Jake Tapper, Clinton disputed Sanders’ description of Israel’s assault on Gaza as “disproportionate.” Clinton argued that “Hamas provokes Israel.”

On top of blaming Palestinians for Israel’s deadly violence, Clinton called into question the innocence of dead Palestinian civilians, arguing, “They often pretend to have people in civilian garb, acting as though they are civilians, who are Hamas fighters.”

Clinton believes that her pro-bombing policies will play well in New York. The Daily News is owned by rightwing Zionist Mort Zuckerman, who plagued President Obama on Israel, and today the paper endorsed Clinton. New Yorkers, the editorial said,

have in Clinton a superprepared warrior realist. They have in opponent Bernie Sanders a fantasist who’s at passionate war with reality.

As for the polling, Quinnipiac says that Hillary Clinton is topping Bernie Sanders among Jewish voters by 49-40. And you thought she had an African-American lead! Her overall lead among white Democrats is 50-45. So Jews skew conservative, among white voters.

LIKELY DEM PRIMARY VOTERS…………….

RELIGIOUS PREFERENCE…………..

Total    Protestant   Catholic      Jewish

Clinton             53%   69%          59%           49%

Sanders             40    26           32            40

Haaretz has a column from Eric Yoffie, the rightwing liberal Zionist of the Reform movement, saying “Only Hillary Clinton Truly Understands What Being ‘pro-Israel’ Means.” And slapping Sanders and Donald Trump too:

All the candidates claim they’re ‘pro-Israel,’ but that’s meaningless if they have little interest and even less capability in foreign policy issues: such candidates shouldn’t receive the support of Jewish voters.

Yesterday on National Public Radio, Andrea Bernstein, a Clinton promoter, said that supporting the Iraq war was a mainstream New York position in 2002.

there are two other problems for Clinton that come with her having been a senator from New York. The first is her Iraq war vote.  It was a mainstream New York position in 2002, but never sat well with the left wing of the party that’s now on the ascendancy.

Wait, let’s be clear: the Iraq war vote cost Clinton the presidency in 2008, with that Democratic Party. Not only was it the worst single foreign policy mistake in U.S. history (as James North says); but it has been enormously costly to Clinton personally. So, why did Clinton support the Iraq war? As Bernstein says, it was a mainstream NY position. Partly, surely, because NY is the financial empire and that makes it a conservative place. But undoubtedly too, because NY is the seat of the rightwing Israel lobby, which was pushing for the war– in defiance of US Jewish opinion by and large. Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu were pushing the war as a good thing. AIPAC was pushing the war. The Israel lobby is the

To understand the pressure Clinton was under from the Israel lobby in New York, read Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a profile in courage, reflecting on his vote against the Iraq war when he voted for the Iran deal last summer. Nadler says that “my commitment to Israel” was questioned when he opposed the Iraq war. Notice how Israel’s existential threats were high in his thinking, even as he bucked the lobby:

I am also deeply disturbed that some opponents of the[Iran deal] agreement have taken to questioning the sincerity of people’s support for Israel (or their “Jewishness”, if it applies) if that person believes the JCPOA [Iran deal] is the best option we have for protecting Israel and the world from the threat of Iran as a nuclear weapon state.
Similarly, I disagree with those who suggest that Israel’s government or people must not interfere in seeking to shape American decisions on these issues, and I see such statements as a means of silencing an important part of the discussion. Israel and Israelis have an absolutely legitimate right to be concerned, given the existential threat they face, and to articulate that concern openly within the American political debate. If Iran were allowed to develop a nuclear weapon, that would represent a fundamental threat to the existence of Israel. A single nuclear bomb on Tel Aviv could destroy the homeland of the Jewish people, causing a catastrophic and irrevocable loss of Israeli lives and threatening the existence of our most important ally in the Middle East. Without Israel raising the alarm, the world might not have prioritized this threat and we would be in a weaker position than we are in today to respond to this terrifying question.

I have personally experienced this dangerous dynamic of poisonous rhetoric before, at another moment when opinion was sharply divided and some people placed politics and emotion above clearheaded thinking. When I voted against approving the use of force in Iraq, I did so not only because I was unconvinced by the justifications or arguments being made by the Bush Administration, but because of my understanding of the history and dynamics in the region. As I said at the time, Iran — not Iraq — was the real threat, and if we removed Iraq as a buffer to Iranian influence and expansionism, Israel and the United States would be left to suffer from the consequences. Suffice it to say, I took a lot of criticism for my vote, and both my American patriotism and my commitment to Israel were questioned.

 

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  1. hophmi
    hophmi
    April 13, 2016, 11:45 am

    Sorry, but foreign policy realism isn’t a left-wing position. It’s a conservative position. So you’re distorting history and politics by claiming that liberals like Eric Yoffie are “right-wing” because they reject far-left politics on Israel, or that Jews who support Hillary Clinton are “conservative.” I guess supporting Obamacare is a conservative position now.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      April 13, 2016, 12:41 pm

      BS again, Hophmi, as reliably as always. “Right” and “Left” are BS, while keeping or destroying Zionism is the question.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        April 13, 2016, 1:24 pm

        Phil’s the one assigning right and left labels.

      • Emory Riddle
        Emory Riddle
        April 13, 2016, 2:41 pm

        “Zimmerman is clearly representative of the new generation of political Jews. They don’t want anything to do with the militarized occupying Jewish state ”

        Wishful thinking?

        Or is there some documentation to support this.

        Based on anecdotal evidence gathered thru my own experience, the pro Israel doctrination of American Jews is still quite effective, and that applies to young Jews as well as others

      • Emory Riddle
        Emory Riddle
        April 13, 2016, 2:42 pm

        Isn’t it about time we ignored Hophmi? Do not censor him –but no need for we others to reply to his hasbara.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        April 13, 2016, 4:33 pm

        Not once divorced from the prize –which is what you did, Hophmi, you reliable liar.
        Paraphrasing the great Gore Vidal: you can bank on it if the government denies it or Hophmi asserts the contrary.

    • Qualtrough
      Qualtrough
      April 13, 2016, 11:09 pm

      @ Emory Riddle – I respectfully disagree with your suggestion. I think Hopfmi does the cause an invaluable service with his knee-jerk and poorly reasoned remarks. The reaction of most people to a Hopfmi reply, besides a chuckle, is probably more along the lines of , “What a stupid argument!” rather than “Wow, that’s a great point!” Every time he shows up here more and more people realize the ridiculousness of the Zionist mindset. He’s worth his weight in gold, and we don’t have to pay him a thing! Hopfmi, keep ’em coming!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2016, 3:31 pm

        “Every time he shows up here more and more people realize the ridiculousness of the Zionist mindset.”

        “Hophmi” makes me glad I got on the wrong flight at Kennedy 45 years ago and ended up on the other side of the country.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        April 14, 2016, 5:15 pm

        Qualtrough, your opinions don’t mean much in a room where everyone is already guaranteed to agree with everything that you say.

  2. peterfeld
    peterfeld
    April 13, 2016, 11:50 am

    I don’t think “Clinton clobbering Sanders among Jews” is the right takeaway. Relative to Protestants (69%) and Catholics (59%) she is way underperforming among Jews (49%). Or, she’s +43 with Protestants, +27 with Catholics, +9 with Jews…. (update) oh, I see the white Dem #s now. But these subsamples might be too small for differences to be statistically significant.

  3. philweiss
    philweiss
    April 13, 2016, 11:56 am

    OK Peter maybe I should revise, but what about the fact that her Jewish advantage is way bigger than her white people advantage with Bernie?
    Also, the guy who tipped me on that poll said that Simone Z hire shows Bernie isn’t going for the W. Isn’t that a possibility? I dont want the W myself if it’s pro-settlement, which is basically Clinton position by implication; but maybe Bernie wants a Movement, not the White House?

    • peterfeld
      peterfeld
      April 13, 2016, 12:07 pm

      Hmm. I updated when I saw white Dem nums, would love to see the age x religion interaction. On Bernie going for the win –on one hand, I think that’s been his problem from the beginning. It was alays a list-building enterprise, I’m cynical. He refused to attack her, ran Simon & Garfunkel happy ads with no message, etc. But I don’t think hiring Simone is especially proof of that. The myth that you need to pander to Israel to win votes (Jewish or other, in NY or anywhere) is just a myth — and dangerous if we all acquiesce to it.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      April 13, 2016, 12:48 pm

      Hey, this is about the US, remember? The US population is only 2-3% “Jewish”, many of whom don’t give a rat’s bottom about identity politics. Meaning there is a general population, incensed with Zionists –as shown by the general population preference numbers for BS’ stated policy.

      His using some fierce rhetoric against the egregious, visible aspects of Zionism if not the beast itself may well be a winning strategy. The ID politics Jewish are not significant once their big money is lost anyway.

      I don’t believe that BS really wants the WH myself, but not because of the “Jewish vote” irrelevancy. Of course he loses Jewish Money but that’s how he works anyway. He looks very smart at this point –for a Democrat, that is.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 13, 2016, 8:43 pm

        “And you seem to have made the very common, but subtly racist, assumption that all Jews in NY are white.”

        This is all very funny in light of the discussion on Brownsville ’68 the other day, “Hophmi”, that’s all.
        My, we are diverse, are we not!

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      April 13, 2016, 1:41 pm

      “what about the fact that her Jewish advantage is way bigger than her white people advantage with Bernie”

      What are you talking about? Her advantage with white voters according to the Siena poll is 49-46 and 49-40 among Jews. That’s not “way bigger.” That’s pretty similar. And you seem to have made the very common, but subtly racist, assumption that all Jews in NY are white. That’s certainly not true. And even if it were, it certainly wouldn’t show that Jews were more conservative than the average white Democratic voter. It could show many things, including that Hillary is perceived as the likely nominee, that people think Sanders’s program is politically unrealistic, etc.

      “Also, the guy who tipped me on that poll said that Simone Z hire shows Bernie isn’t going for the W. ”

      Well, it’s not a great idea if the purpose is to do general outreach to the Jewish community, but Simone Zimmerman is quite well-connected and has a base in both New York and California, and she seems to know how to organize, and Sanders relies on young voter turnout, so if the goal is to turn out young voters, it makes some sense.

      But I think that the fact that Simone is willing to work for a candidate who proclaims his love for Israel, supports its existence, and has voted for most of the pro-Israel legislation that has come through the Congress during his tenure, may say more about her than it does about him.

  4. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    April 13, 2016, 12:00 pm

    “As Bernstein says, it was a mainstream NY position. Partly, surely, because NY is the financial empire and that makes it a conservative place. But undoubtedly too, because NY is the seat of the rightwing Israel lobby, which was pushing for the war– in defiance of US Jewish opinion by and large. Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu were pushing the war as a good thing. AIPAC was pushing the war”,

    That going to war was a mainstream NY position (back in the3 day) I don’t question. It was in some sense a mainstream USA position. Why should NYS be different? But he explanation here confuses me. Does Wall Street speak in a special voice (which cannot be heard outside NYS) to NY? to NYT? Does AIPAC? If US Jewish opinion was opposed to war, and AIPAC was in favor, why would Jews TODAY favor Clinton over Sanders, when she was opposed to Jewish opinion and he was consistent with it? Ass I said, the text is confusing.

  5. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    April 13, 2016, 12:52 pm

    Orthodox jews are a large percentage of the white jews who vote in democratic ny primaries. Orthodox jews are the group most supportive of Israel (and likud).

    After 9/11 there were two voices: the Bush administration and its let’s attack Iraq and the left and their let’s do nothing (the US is evil and earned this violence was also a major undercurrent of the left.)
    It was not easy to withstand the Bush roadmap into war without being accused of belonging to the left and that was certainly the spirit of non leftist nyc and hillary is not a leftist and is not an independent thinker.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      April 13, 2016, 3:10 pm

      “Orthodox jews are a large percentage of the white jews who vote in democratic ny primaries.”

      “White jews”? Don’t be confused by the appellation; we were just “Jews” until 1968, and then added another honorific to our identity. Got promoted, for service during ‘the Battle of Brownsville

      But hey, it’s no bed of roses being a “white jew”. Everybody dislikes you or is jealous, you don’t qualify for affirmative action, and you can’t dance or jump.
      Has any people anywhere ever been burdened with the problems of the “white jews”?

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        April 13, 2016, 5:50 pm

        You keep repeating this racist line about Jews being white and excluding Jews of color, just as Phil did. That’s very telling. It seems as though BDSers make some racist assumptions about the Jewish community.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        April 13, 2016, 8:57 pm

        Seeing that the main excluders of “Jews of color” are, in the order, the Zionist governments that sterilize or subject to longterm forced contraception the ladies they first seduced out on a Flying Carpet and keep segregation legal, the State Rabbies who make life miserable for Black Jews or whatever they call themselves, then the goddam Temples and congregations and such where it is Verboten to even look Mediterranean, you sure are barking up the wrong tree. And I mean yapping.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        April 14, 2016, 4:54 am

        What’s more telling is what a doorknob you continue to be. BDSers make racist comments about white Jews? They must be self-hating caucasians on top of being self-hating Jews – that’s a two-fer. Why do you folks always throw the babies out with the bathwater? Also, the white noise is probably the echo heard all the way from Hebron, Occupied Jerusalem, Beersheva, Ashkelon, Tel Aviv, etc., where white is always right to the melaninically challenged and sadly prefer the lack of pigment.

        “The Israeli government has also resorted to overt racist statements when referring to African refugees. Eli Yishai, the interior minister, said recently that he would use “all the tools to expel the foreigners,” claiming that “Israel belongs to the white man.”

        Yishai’s racist remarks echo those of other Israeli politicians, who have called African refugees “infiltrators” and a “cancer,” and accused asylum-seekers of violence and rape. Their presence in Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said earlier this month, “is very grave and threatens the social fabric of society, our national security and our national identity.”

        Wow, I guess that’s because their identity is so iffy to begin with!

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        April 14, 2016, 11:45 am

        “Seeing that the main excluders of “Jews of color” are, in the order, the Zionist governments ”

        Blah, blah, blah, LOL. Israel has more Jews of color than anyplace else in the world, including over a hundred thousand Ethiopian Jews, and millions of brown Jews from the rest of the Middle East. Get your facts straight.

        “BDSers make racist comments about white Jews? ”

        Yes, frequently. BDSers essentialize Jews as white all the time in order to dismiss their concerns about antisemitism. See, if you label it white, you can argue that their concerns about oppression don’t matter because they’re the beneficiaries of white privilege. If you acknowledge that Jews are a religion, rather than a race, and that Jews are White, Black, Brown, and every color in between, then that argument is weaker.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        April 14, 2016, 3:02 pm

        “Blah, blah, blah, LOL. Israel has more Jews of color than anyplace else in the world, including over a hundred thousand Ethiopian Jews, and millions of brown Jews from the rest of the Middle East. Get your facts straight. ”

        “Israel has more Jews of color than anyplace else in the world” – that’s your mouth running, can you provide proof of what you say because I find your posts on a par with the national enquirer. Where’s your source for this claim? In the meantime, educate your own self:

        Ethiopian Israelis Twice as Likely to Be Arrested, Police Stats Show

        ‘For years we’ve been crying out over the police’s racist treatment toward us because of our skin color, which turns us into the immediate suspects. Now we have figures to back it up.’

        Lee Yaron | Haaretz
        Apr 14, 2016 8:54 AM

        “Investigations into alleged assaults on police officers by Israelis of Ethiopian origin doubled over the last eight years, although the overall number of cases has not risen proportionally, according to police statistics.

        In 2007, six percent of the investigations into Jews who assaulted police officers involved ethnic Ethiopians – 360 files out 5,785 – though the community constituted only two percent of the population. By 2015, that number had risen to 12 percent (750 out of 5,800,) six times higher than the community’s proportion in the population.

        The figures were disclosed by the police under a Freedom of Information Law request by the Israel Association for Ethiopian Jews. Previously, the police had refused to disclose the information to the community outreach organization, which maintains that police treatment of Ethiopians is racist and based on the color of their skin.

        A young man of Ethiopian origin left his work place in Jerusalem one evening and took the train to his home town, Netanya. On alighting from the train, he was arrested by a group of policemen and detained on suspicion of breaking into a car. The man was held at the police station until late at night before being released.

        “This didn’t happen once, but twice,” said Ziva Mekonen-Dagu, the head of the association for Ethiopian Jews.”He was arrested twice for something he didn’t do. Why? Because he’s black.”

        “His nephew was also arrested near his home in Nahariya,” Mekonen-Dagu added. “A police car stopped beside him and he was asked what he was doing there. Why? Because it was a good neighborhood and it didn’t make sense that someone from Ethiopia would live there.”

        “Every mother from Ethiopia is afraid for her children when they’re out late. For years we’ve been crying out over the police’s racist treatment toward us because of our skin color, which turns us into the immediate suspects. Now we have figures to back it up,” she said.

        Mekonen-Dagu claimed that police open assault files in all cases of unjustified arrest. That includes cases in which people who were assaulted by the police tried to defend themselves.

        The police have recently made efforts to restore the trust between the force and the Ethiopian community. A committee recommended last November that Amharic-speaking telephonists be employed on police hotlines 24-hours-a-day. It also recommended enlisting more Ethiopian community members to the Israel Defense Forces and increasing the number of police officers from the community.

        Hundreds of demonstrators from the Ethiopian community took to the streets of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem last May to protest what they said was discrimination and racism against them. The demonstrations were sparked by the arrest of a soldier, Damas

        Pakada, after video footage showed him being beaten by two policemen. Twenty-eight protesters were arrested, but only four were indicted for violence and assaulting policemen.

        Mekonen-Dagu said the protest did not begin because of Pakada’s case. “The Ethiopian community started protesting because that’s what every Ethiopian Israeli experiences every day and every hour. We are discriminated against on a regular basis,” she said.

        The association has broken down the figures provided by the police by city. Apparently, the number of indictments corresponded with the proportion of Ethiopian Jews in the general population in most northern cities, while it was several times higher in southern and central cities.

        In Gedera, for example, 40 percent of police investigations were opened against Israelis of Ethiopian origin, although they comprise only six percent of the population. In Rehovot and Kiryat Malachi, the indictments against Ethiopian Israelis were 33 percent and 40 percent respectively, while they comprise 5.4 and 16.4 percent of the population, respectively.

        In Tel Aviv, Ethiopian Israelis make up only 0.6 percent of the population, but 7.7 percent of the investigations opened for assaulting policemen were against them. In contrast, in the town of Sderot, the rate of investigations is 3.8 percent, close to their 2.5 percent proportion in the general population. Similar figures were registered in Safed, Kiryat Ata, Nahariya and Migdal Ha’emek.

        In a bid to examine the police’s treatment of Ethiopian Jews, the State Control Committee recently held several debates regarding the case of Yosef Salamsa, 22, whose body was found near Binyamina in 2014. His relatives have accused policemen of being involved in his death.

        Salamsa was arrested in April 2014 on suspicion of wielding a knife and trying to break into a building. The police used a taser gun to stun him. His father later reported finding him lying injured on the ground outside the Zichron Yaakov police station, his hands and feet cuffed. No charges were filed against him. The family said he had been injured and needed hospital and psychological treatment after the incident.

        In February this year, the Justice Ministry department for the investigation of police officers closed the investigation against the two policemen who had tasered Salamsa and left him outside the police station.

        Committee chairwoman MK Karin Elharar (Yesh Atid) said the police figures suggest that if you’re an Israeli of Ethiopian origin, you’re twice as likely to be arrested than anyone else. In 2014, 2,044 Israelis of Ethiopian origin were arrested, but the court extended the remand of only 388 of them.”

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        April 14, 2016, 5:19 pm

        Ethiopians are twice as likely to be arrested, Marnie? You really should boycott the United States. African-Americans here are six times as likely to be incarcerated as whites, and that’s in a country where African-Americans have been here for hundreds of years, not one in which they’ve been citizens for a generation, and it’s in a country with the world’s highest incarceration rate. #BlackLivesMatter

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        April 14, 2016, 11:10 pm

        NSS! But this isn’t The War of Ideas in the United States is it HOPHNI? I should boycott the United States? What gives you any impression I don’t??

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        April 15, 2016, 1:41 am

        Marnie: “Israel has more Jews of color than anyplace else in the world” – that’s your mouth running, can you provide proof of what you say.
        ————-

        If you categorize Israeli Jews of North African/ Middle Eastern/Asian origin as “Jews of color”, then Hophmi is undoubtedly correct.

        Cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Jews#Jewish_ethnic_divisions_in_Israel

        The majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi.[58] The exact proportion of Mizrahi and Sephardic Jewish populations in Israel is unknown (since it is not included in the census); some estimates place Jews of Mizrahi origin at up to 61% of the Israeli Jewish population,[59] with hundreds of thousands more having mixed Ashkenazi heritage due to cross-cultural intermarriage.

        Jews from North Africa and Asia have come to be called “Mizrahi Jews”.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        April 15, 2016, 5:51 am

        Sibiriak –
        Would prefer he answer the question.

        If israel has more Jews of color than anywhere else, yet treat the Jews of color like garbage, how can this be boasted about? Since you’re speaking for Hophni, tell me, does he think that Jews of color should be so f$#@ grateful to no longer have to live in some ‘hell-hole” that the GoI can treat them any old way? Remember, this is 2016!

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      April 13, 2016, 7:09 pm

      “and the left and their let’s do nothing (the US is evil and earned this violence was also a major undercurrent of the left.) “

      Sure, “Yonah”! As usual full o’ it. So, attacking the wrong country was better than “let’s do nothing”?

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        April 13, 2016, 7:34 pm

        mooser- “white jews” is a relevant category when the pollsters categorize people according to race and religion. i assume that blacks will vote for hillary and hispanics, i don’t know, but one of the categories is white and another category is jew and to talk about the overlap as white jews, seems a sensible way of referring to polling.

        the war against iraq was stupid. granted. but in 2002 nyc, the voice of realists like brent scowcroft were not heard: there was a dichotomy: either axis of evil bush people, or we’re to blame and got what we deserve leftists. hillary was not about to buck the prevailing politics in the state of new york which includes nyc and her going along with the bush/cheney war was a no brainer at the time. today russia and the US are playing chicken in the baltic, who do you want as president bernie sanders or hillary? so certainly hillary and her war vote make a different impression than the socialist senator from vermont.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 13, 2016, 8:29 pm

        “white jews” is a relevant category when the pollsters”

        Of course, and “Hophmi” is right, I have been ignoring all the “Jews of color”.

        So how does that all work? With Zionism, I mean.
        Do the “Jews of color” have the same “historical homeland” as the “white Jews”? And did we start out all diverse, or did diversity come when some Jews got exiled to the north and some got exiled to the south, with more sun?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 13, 2016, 8:35 pm

        “today russia and the US are playing chicken in the baltic, who do you want as president bernie sanders or hillary? so certainly hillary and her war vote make a different impression than the socialist senator from vermont.”

        Good heavens, “Yonah”, I hadn’t thought about it like that! You are right, Bernie Sanders may be less likely to start a war with Russia than Hilary Clinton would be! And he might even do something for us Americans instead of going to war!

        Why is that treasonous socialist communist criminal even allowed to run! I’m not voting for Sanders unless he pledges to start a war with Russia! At least you can count on Hilary!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 13, 2016, 10:01 pm

        And “Yonah” if Hilary does get elected, when the time comes, remember your health. Kill a Russian, then rest. Kill another Russian, then eat something, and rest some more…

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        April 13, 2016, 10:25 pm

        I hope readers will forgive me when i “communicate” with mooser, i let my words reflect street corner dialects if not dialectics.

        I do not know what should be done vis a vis Putin and the new muscular Russia. I am not so sure of Hillary or Bernie Sanders on this issue and wonder if a dealmaker like Trump might be able to calm things down between the US and Putin. not that Trump inspires confidence on any other issue, but I have not given sufficient consideration to Russia vis a vis Crimea, or Russia vis a vis Syria and I am not convinced what the best policy should be.

        I don’t think calling Sanders a socialist is outlandish. Social democrat is closer to his essence, but I don’t think socialist is really all that outlandish in describing him.

        I certainly would want someone with a bit more credence vis a vis military might than Sanders, but indeed, nobody is a sure bet on foreign policy, when I am unconvinced and undecided regarding the best direction.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 13, 2016, 11:05 pm

        “I hope readers will forgive me when i “communicate” with mooser, i let my words reflect street corner dialects if not dialectics.”

        “Yonah” I am not responsible for your bigoted and ignorant manner of speech. That’s all yours. You are exactly the same, ignorant yet dismissive and arrogant, with everybody. You’re on the end of a cable, that makes you brave. In person, you’re always brave with a gang.

        “I certainly would want someone with a bit more credence vis a vis military might than Sanders,”

        And what, pray tell, does Hilary Clinton’s “credence vis a vis military might” consist of besides voting “yes” for the War on Iraq?

      • annie
        annie
        April 14, 2016, 1:11 am

        And what, pray tell, does Hilary Clinton’s “credence vis a vis military might” consist of besides voting “yes” for the War on Iraq?

        according to the leaked emails she’s responsible for ‘turning obama around’ on libya. so she has so called ‘credence’ in that horrendous failed disaster.

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 14, 2016, 12:27 am

        MOOSER- “Of course, and “Hophmi” is right, I have been ignoring all the “Jews of color”.”

        So has Wall Street.

        MOOSER- “Do the “Jews of color” have the same “historical homeland” as the “white Jews”? And did we start out all diverse, or did diversity come when some Jews got exiled to the north and some got exiled to the south, with more sun?”

        Wicked! Keep up the good work, Moose. You can say things that I can’t. I continue to have moderation difficulties. Apparently, Hophmi is having an impact with his anti-Keith diatribes. Sad but true.

      • Donald
        Donald
        April 14, 2016, 9:27 am

        Daniel Larison writes mostly on foreign policy and has said a lot, mostly critical, about the various candidates. Here he is on Clinton–

        http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/clintons-reliably-bad-foreign-policy/

        And if you want more detail, you can find it at his blog.

        On Clinton, she is seen as more “serious” because she makes the conventional mistakes that DC experts make on foreign policy. You can never go wrong favoring American intervention– you only make mistakes in implementing it or by not intervening enough. In that kind of mental environment, of course people think Clinton can be trusted. She favors policies that wreak havoc on the lives of millions, but none of them work in Washington think tanks, so if anything, her mistakes give her more credibility with that crowd.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        April 14, 2016, 11:48 am

        ““Do the “Jews of color” have the same “historical homeland” as the “white Jews”? ”

        Surely.

        “And did we start out all diverse, or did diversity come when some Jews got exiled to the north and some got exiled to the south, with more sun?”

        We have always been a racially diverse people.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2016, 3:42 pm

        “Sad but true.”

        Don’t add insult to your supposed injury. I very much doubt whether “Hophmi” influences the Moderators.
        They may perhaps be making their decision on spurious grounds, I don’t know. But I doubt “Hophmi” enters into it.
        And so, I think, should you. “Hophmi” will tell us if I am wrong about this.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2016, 3:53 pm

        “so she has so called ‘credence’ in that horrendous failed disaster.”

        Thanks, Annie. Don’t think I’ve ever seen anybody who cultivates a sociopathic suggestibility quite like “Yonah’s”.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2016, 4:05 pm

        Mooser: “I have been ignoring all the “Jews of color”.”
        Keith: “So has Wall Street.”
        Mooser: “And so did the Brownsville Community School Board, too! You’d think Albert Shanker would have known.”

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2016, 4:55 pm

        ” If you acknowledge that Jews are a religion, rather than a race, and that”

        Now I see! Why has it taken me this long? We “are a religion” and a people and a nation, “rather than a race”.
        Of course!

  6. John Douglas
    John Douglas
    April 13, 2016, 3:07 pm

    PHIL: “In March she denounced the University of California regents’ statement that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.”

    This caught my eye because the Regents did not make such a statement. Zimmerman’s tweet urged readers to tell the Regents that anti-Zionism is not racism (and so not anti-Semitism) but was written five days before the regents’ statement. So she was not denouncing the Regents’ statement, which in fact suggested that some forms of anti-Zionism were anti-Semitic.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      April 13, 2016, 3:29 pm

      Big, fat, hairy deal of a difference, ain’t it?

      • John Douglas
        John Douglas
        April 13, 2016, 10:05 pm

        RE: “Big, fat, hairy deal of a difference, ain’t it?”

        echinoccus, Not sure exactly your point but I think there’s an important difference between saying anti-Zionism is by its nature anti-Semitic (which is absurd and the main tactic to shut down debate on BDS) and saying that anti-Zionism is sometimes motivated by anti-Semitism (which is likely true and also irrelevant.) I understand the Regents’ statement as a defeat for the anti-BDS crowd who try to shut down BDS by claiming it to be anti-Semitic.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        April 14, 2016, 1:07 am

        Your description is correct, Douglas. Both characterizations with regard to “antisemitism” are irrelevant to a campaign in support of Palestinian Resistance. The difference between the two is also purely verbal, given that any amount of “antisemitism” (as defined or undefined by Zionists, i.e.much wider than just racism) is enough of a pretext to try and ban any constitutionally protected activity.

  7. Kay24
    Kay24
    April 13, 2016, 4:35 pm

    The coverage:

    The new Jewish outreach director for Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is getting attention for a Facebook post written last year that attacked Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    “Bibi Netanyahu is an arrogant, deceptive, cynical, manipulative asshole,” wrote Simone Zimmerman, a former J Street student activist, in a March 2015 post, obtained by Freebeacon.com.”

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/276154-sanders-aide-catching-attention-for-anti-netanyahu-remarks

    • RockyMissouri
      RockyMissouri
      April 14, 2016, 7:36 pm

      Which he is. Netanyahu is only bringing harm to everyone…with his uncontrollable behavior.!!

  8. Keith
    Keith
    April 13, 2016, 6:08 pm

    “Some anti-Sanders groups already have seized upon Zimmerman’s hire, first disclosed in a JTA story published Monday, as fodder for their argument that a Sanders presidency would be bad for the Jews.”

    Why would a Sanders presidency be bad for the Jews? Bad for individual Jews or bad for the Jewish people/tribe? Why would an evaluation of whether or not Sanders would be good or bad for the Jews versus whether or not Sanders would be good or bad for the US citizenry, and good or bad for global humanity be considered appropriate?

  9. JWalters
    JWalters
    April 13, 2016, 7:30 pm

    Another courageous, truthful move by Bernie. Hillary’s main advantage is the ignorance of the general public about the extent of oligarchy control, and especially the facts about Israel’s role in sabotaging America’s democracy and economy. The controlled Establishment Media blacks out the central facts about Israel and promotes the war profiteering swindlers’ cover story. Hillary is so deep in Israel’s pocket Obama had to replace her with Kerry to do the Iran peace deal.
    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/04/08/is-hillary-clinton-qualified/

    Voters need a big splash of cold water.

  10. kalithea
    kalithea
    April 13, 2016, 8:15 pm

    If you’re in New York – go to the Bernie rally at Washington Square! If not, Rosario Dawson is speaking right now, delivering a great speech, ready to bring on Bernie Sanders. Actually Spike Lee is speaking now following Rosario.: (watch live at this time 20:22, here)

    http://www.inquisitr.com/2993110/watch-bernie-sanders-washington-square-rally-live-stream-spike-lee-vampire-weekend-crowd-of-thousands-expected/

  11. johneill
    johneill
    April 13, 2016, 11:09 pm

    correction on a sentence fragment:
    “AIPAC was pushing the war. The Israel lobby is the”
    the … what?

  12. Qualtrough
    Qualtrough
    April 13, 2016, 11:17 pm

    It is pretty clear that Sanders is taking substantial risks with his positions and actions related to Israel. None of them are required and he could have take the easy path like Clinton, knelt, and assumed the position. But he didn’t. I think he will get trounced in NY for that, but total respect. What he has said and done, as mild as it may seem to some of you, is almost unheard of among US politicians at his level.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      April 14, 2016, 9:15 am

      Not “almost”, Qualthrough. The hiring of the Zimmermann figure and some parts of Sanders’ own statements are effectively unheard of among any Demolican US politicians in the last 20 years or so.
      I won’t agree that it is suicidal, though, as the Jewish population with its exceptionally high support to Zionism (as per latest surveys) is still a smallish fraction of the general population and public opinion is turning fast, even among the Jewish population. Sanders will probably get a trouncing in New York but that was coming anyway.

      This looks like a smart move, albeit belated: it provides a solid-looking defense against the “progressives” who won’t follow him because of his support to imperialism, just as his last-minute sophistry (quite successful judging by the effect) trying to extricate himself from the invasion of Iraq, even though he voted for the AUMF and the war budget. If they listen to late words and forget to watch his record, that is.

    • Kris
      Kris
      April 14, 2016, 5:21 pm

      I have been phonebanking for Bernie Sanders, and for the past few days I have been calling people in New York. Today I talked with a man who said that while he had intended to vote for Sanders on April 19, he could no longer vote for Sanders because Sanders had shown a lack of support for Israel by hiring Simone Zimmerman.

      This man, who was in his 40’s, sounded sad as well as angry. Cognitive dissonance can be very painful.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        April 14, 2016, 10:02 pm

        Bernie Sanders Suspends Jewish Outreach Coordinator After Reports of Her Criticisms of Israel http://nyti.ms/23zEeX4 via @NYTPolitics

      • Kris
        Kris
        April 15, 2016, 12:35 pm

        Thanks, Citizen. I thought this was interesting:

        From “What Jews Kvetch About When They Kvetch About Bernie Sanders.” http://marginalia.lareviewofbooks.org/mrblog-jews-kvetch-kvetch-bernie-sanders/

        Jewish establishment institutions and press outlets affiliated with them played a direct role in discrediting Simone Zimmerman in the short time she occupied her position with the Sanders campaign. The organized Jewish community in America chooses not to make room for the growing number of Jewish millennials like Ms. Zimmerman who are engaged with their Jewish identities and care deeply about the future of the Jewish people and of Israel. The way in which many Jewish millennials express their care for Israel by its very definition involves critique of Israel’s rapid slide toward nationalist-religious extremism, its discriminatory treatment of its Arab citizens and Palestinians, and its increasingly intolerant attitudes to its own civil society that chooses the path of dissent. The attack on Ms. Zimmerman reflects both the generational shift in dialogue surrounding Israel, and the failure of Jewish institutions to understand and productively embrace it.

  13. Kay24
    Kay24
    April 14, 2016, 10:19 am

    Hillary made a huge mistake when she voted for the Iraq war, and since it has now all turned out to be a DISTASTER and it seems unresolvable at this time, she has since admitted it was a mistake. For one thing, she must show the conservatives that despite being a woman, she can be equally gung-ho like they are to attack Arab nations, and that she can be hawkish and tough like they can.

    One day we may also hear her say that her unwavering support for Israel, and deliberately ignoring the endless war crimes, and brutality against helpless civilians, was a Huge Mistake too.
    She will willfully ignore the fact that her ambitions and greed for power, made her do that.

  14. Boo
    Boo
    April 14, 2016, 12:11 pm

    Clinton called into question the innocence of dead Palestinian civilians, arguing, “They often pretend to have people in civilian garb, acting as though they are civilians, who are Hamas fighters.”

    Can’t you just picture those devious Hamas terrorists, putting on nightshirts, or nightgowns — or maybe teeny onesies — and then lying down in some civilian’s bed that they pretend is their own?

    Lying there … just waiting for that knock on the roof, followed by the WHOOSH of an incoming Hellfire …

    How damnably clever of them, to get themselves blown up by the thousands! How useful to the movement!

    How damnably idiotic of HRC to repeat the same old canard offered for years by AIPAC and neocons of every stripe. She willingly makes herself a dupe — and tries to dupe America’s voters — merely for the sake of a few more lousy votes.

    Apparently she can’t see that by trying to put a little space between herself and Bernie, she’s eliminated the tiny space between herself and the GOTP candidates. And some claim that Bernie’s “not really a Democrat”. Well, who’s the real Dem? Not Hillary, that fraud.

  15. lysias
    lysias
    April 14, 2016, 4:55 pm

    According to that Quinnipiac poll, Hillary leads Sanders 65-28 among blacks in New York. That’s the source of most of her lead.

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