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‘We have taken Jerusalem off the table’ — Trump bullies Palestinians

What hubris. Donald Trump tweeted yesterday at 4:37 in the afternoon that he was going to punish the Palestinians for not negotiating, and admitted that he’d preempted those negotiations by taking the biggest issue off the table:

[W]e pay the Palestinians HUNDRED OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS a year and get no appreciation or respect. They don’t even want to negotiate a long overdue….peace treaty with Israel. We have taken Jerusalem, the toughest part of the negotiation, off the table, but Israel, for that, would have had to pay more. But with the Palestinians no longer willing to talk peace, why should we make any of these massive future payments to them?

CNN notes the contradiction— Trump had said he wasn’t prejudicing the status of Jerusalem with his announcement on December 6; but here he admits that he took the issue off the table, gave it to Israel. And the world took Palestine’s side.

Mahmoud Abbas says Jerusalem cannot be sold, per AP and the Guardian:

“Jerusalem is the eternal capital of the state of Palestine and it is not for sale for gold or billions.”

Hanan Ashrawi called it a “blackmail.” Haaretz’s Noa Landau reports:

In first Palestinian response to Trump’s tweet, PLO’s Hanan Ashrawi says tonight: “We will not be blackmailed. Palestinian rights are not for sale. President Trump has sabotaged our search for peace, freedom and justice. Now he dares to blame us for his irresponsible actions”

Mustafa Barghouti echoes the theme on CNN: If Trump wants to take away the money, “let him take it away.”

“But one message he should understand. We, the Palestinians, will not sell our land, or Jerusalem, for a few hundreds of millions of dollars. We have struggled for more than 70 years to get our freedom and a few million dollars will not stop us.”

PLO Secretary-General Saeb Erekat, also on CNN, asks, “What’s left to negotiate?”

“So, Mr. Trump, your art of the deal. What’s left to negotiate?… “You are moving from negotiating to dictating and then you are threatening us if we don’t accept your dictations –”

 The Guardian says Trump “has dramatically escalated his conflict with the Palestinian leadership,” and that the U.S. gives about $300 million to the Palestinian Authority.

The AP reports a Palestinian leader  saying Trump’s indifference to international law could send the region into the “abyss.”

Palestinian officials voiced outrage on Wednesday… calling his tweets “blackmail” in the aftermath of the U.S. administration’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

Abbas’ spokesman Nabil Abu Rdeneh said that “if the United States is keen on its interests in the Middle East, it must implement the international resolutions which call for a state on the 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as its capital.”

“Without this, the United States will push the region to the abyss,” Abu Rdeneh added.

Chris Gunness of the UN’s Palestinian refugee agency, UNRWA, issued a statement saying the U.S. gives UNRWA about 40 percent of its $874 million budget.

UNRWA has not been informed by the United States administration of any changes in US funding to the Agency….

The top ten donors give UNRWA over eighty per cent of our income. We remain grateful to them for their support. We will work relentlessly with all our partners to cover the funding requirements for 2018. UNRWA’s contribution to human development – notably through education and health care services – is described as indispensable to the dignity of Palestine Refugees and the stability of the region.”

Recall that the U.S. recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital in December was embraced by Israel and rejected by the world, the General Assembly voting 128-9 against Trump’s move. The U.S. was joined by Israel, Togo, Guatemala, Honduras, Palau, Nauru, Micronesia and the Marshall Islands. At that time, Nikki Haley, the ambassador to the U.N., made a speech echoing the grandiose egocentrism of her boss.

America will put our embassy in Jerusalem. That is what the American people want us to do, and it is the right thing to do. No vote in the United Nations will make any difference on that. This vote will make a difference on how Americans look at the UN and on how we look at countries who disrespect us in the UN. And this vote will be remembered.

The charade of the peace process, in which the U.S. argues Israel’s side, is now completely transparent in the eyes of the world; and Palestinians have gained prestige.

Update: Michael Koplow of the Israel Policy Forum has a sharp analysis of Trump’s tweet as it applies to Israel “getting” Jerusalem. On twitter (and h/t Jewish Insider):

His intention [in Trump’s December 6 announcement] … was not to recognize only part of Jerusalem as Israel’s and maintain East Jerusalem as being subject to negotiations. His intention was to recognize the unified city as the capital
So if you are the Israelis, you should be pretty happy, right? Except that the rest of his tweet blows up any notion that he views Israel any differently than every other country on Earth – as subject to a quid pro quo transactional relationship
The “but Israel, for that, would have had to pay more” is somewhat confusing to parse, but I’m pretty sure what he meant is that in return for the gift of recognizing Israeli claim to all of Jerusalem, Trump was going to extract something big from Israel in return
In other words, this was not a no-strings-attached pro-Israel position.

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  1. ckg on January 3, 2018, 11:15 am

    Trump didn’t just pull that phrase (“off the table”) out of his twitter arse. Nikki Haley used it three times in her Dec 10 Face the Nation appearance. Unfortunately John Dickerson didn’t pursue the apparent contradiction with stated policy about not prejudicing the final status of Jerusalem. Instead he changed the topic to Korea. Hopefully the press will pursue more clarity from this ridiculously incoherent administration.

  2. amigo on January 3, 2018, 11:29 am

    It is time to dust off the keys to the occupation and hand them back to Israel.

    It is time to go to the UN and demand recognition , (for the record) of the Palestinian State.

    This should be followed by the formation of a Committee to demand Equal Rights for Palestinians as Citizens of Israel.

    Clearly Trump and his coterie of Zionist fellow “negotiators “have been planning this outcome for quite some time.Looks as if the ultimate deal is off the table and getting his name on a few rail stations and freeways is all it took to get him on side.

    Maybe now the EU/UN and all the other world bodies will quit pretending there is still the possibility of a 2SS and get on board the Freedom Train and support the BDS movement.

  3. Maghlawatan on January 3, 2018, 11:31 am

    Israel has pauperised the local Palestinians via the occupation God only knows what this has to do with separating dairy and meat.
    The international community feeds 80% of Gaza. This is in order to stop Palestinian society from collapsing but also in order to protect Israel from the consequences of its own nihilism.
    If Trump cuts the American component of the money the international community spend to mitigate Israeli pauperisation all bets are off .

    “It’s over,” one Palestinian official told the Guardian. “By tweeting that he has taken Jerusalem ‘off the table’ as an issue he has admitted that US diplomats were lying when they said Jerusalem’s status has not been decided. Instead he is trying to use blackmail and a blame game against the Palestinians. What he is admitting is there is no peace process and no peace plan.”

    “His mistake is that he thinks this is one of the deals he is familiar with. But the Palestinians are not a weak company to be taken over. He is ignoring the issue of dignity, which people are prepared to die for.”

    Like so much of Trump’s rhetoric, the best hope is that it is no more than hot air. Because the alternative is not Trump’s much vaunted “ultimate deal” but the ultimate destruction of the peace process and all that it entails.

    • Citizen on January 4, 2018, 3:49 am

      If it’s no more than hot air, where in that hot air is the US Congressional vote, formerly always rolled over, from the mid-1990s that declared Jerusalem to be the capital of the Jewish state?

  4. Marnie on January 3, 2018, 11:57 am

    It was never on the table. tRUMP is a lying, thieving crook who thinks diplomacy is nothing more than a real estate deal, it requires no finesse or intelligence, just strong arm tactics. He has declared war on any possibility of peace. Speaking of declaring war, guess who has a bigger, stronger nuclear button than DPRK? And speaking of more incitement, who told Pakistan they were doing nothing and have done nothing to assist the u.s. in its ‘war on terror’ against muslims, excuse me, ‘terrorists’, and at the same time getting millions of dollars in aid, and who is threatening to cut that off? This same idiot who tweeted:
    “Such respect for the people of Iran as they try to take back their corrupt government. You will see great support from the United States at the appropriate time!” Funny he uses corrupt and government in the same sentence; the same is being said about you. Big talk, no plans. Just BOOM. And the world explodes.

  5. Maghlawatan on January 3, 2018, 12:24 pm

    Donald Trump’s former chief strategist Steve Bannon has described the Trump Tower meeting between the president’s son and a group of Russians during the 2016 election campaign as “treasonous” and “unpatriotic”, according to an explosive new book seen by the Guardian.

    Trump-Russia investigation: the key questions answered


    Read more

    Bannon, speaking to author Michael Wolff, warned that the investigation into alleged collusion with the Kremlin will focus on money laundering and predicted: “They’re going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV.”

    Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House, reportedly based on more than 200 interviews with the president, his inner circle and players in and around the administration, is one of the most eagerly awaited political books of the year. In it, Wolff lifts the lid on a White House lurching from crisis to crisis amid internecine warfare, with even some of Trump’s closest allies expressing contempt for him.

    Bannon, who was chief executive of the Trump campaign in its final three months, then White House chief strategist for seven months before returning to the rightwing Breitbart News, is a central figure in the nasty, cutthroat drama, quoted extensively, often in salty language.

    He is particularly scathing about a June 2016 meeting involving Trump’s son Donald Jr, son-in-law Jared Kushner, then campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya at Trump Tower in New York. A trusted intermediary had promised documents that would “incriminate” rival Hillary Clinton but instead of alerting the FBI to a potential assault on American democracy by a foreign power, Trump Jr replied in an email: “I love it.”

    The meeting was revealed by the New York Times in July last year, prompting Trump Jr to say no consequential material was produced. Soon after, Wolff writes, Bannon remarked mockingly: “The three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government inside Trump Tower in the conference room on the 25th floor – with no lawyers. They didn’t have any lawyers.

    “Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad shit, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately.”

    Bannon went on, Wolff writes, to say that if any such meeting had to take place, it should have been set up “in a Holiday Inn in Manchester, New Hampshire, with your lawyers who meet with these people”. Any information, he said, could then be “dump[ed] … down to Breitbart or something like that, or maybe some other more legitimate publication”.

    Bannon added: “You never see it, you never know it, because you don’t need to … But that’s the brain trust that they had.”

    Bannon has criticised Trump’s decision to fire Comey. In Wolff’s book, obtained by the Guardian ahead of publication from a bookseller in New England, he suggests White House hopes for a quick end to the Mueller investigation are gravely misplaced.

    “You realise where this is going,” he is quoted as saying. “This is all about money laundering. Mueller chose [senior prosecutor Andrew] Weissmann first and he is a money-laundering guy. Their path to fucking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr and Jared Kushner … It’s as plain as a hair on your face.”

    Last month it was reported that federal prosecutors had subpoenaed records from Deutsche Bank, the German financial institution that has lent hundreds of millions of dollars to the Kushner property empire. Bannon continues: “It goes through Deutsche Bank and all the Kushner shit. The Kushner shit is greasy. They’re going to go right through that. They’re going to roll those two guys up and say play me or trade me.”

    Scorning apparent White House insouciance, Bannon reaches for a hurricane metaphor: “They’re sitting on a beach trying to stop a Category Five.”

    • Citizen on January 3, 2018, 7:30 pm

      I agree with Bannon on this. When push comes to shove, Jared Kushner will turn the tables on Trump to somehow try to save his own weasel ass. Ivanka will be out to(kosher) lunch with her kids.

  6. HarryLaw on January 3, 2018, 12:39 pm

    Trump..”We have taken Jerusalem, the toughest part of the negotiation, off the table, but Israel, for that, would have had to pay more”. Why should they do that? Past experience of Israeli deals indicate they will simply pocket that concession and demand more. What kind of a negotiator [‘the art of the deal’] is Trump, who gives away the most important part of a deal even without asking for a ‘quid pro que’, it certainly is not MAGA [Make America Great Again] rather MIGA.

    • ErsatzYisrael on January 3, 2018, 1:42 pm

      “Trump..”We have taken Jerusalem, the toughest part of the negotiation, off the table, but Israel, for that, would have had to pay more”.

      Trump just admitted that his administration agreed to take Jerusalem off the negotiating table only because the zios paid a lot of money.

      Why is this startling revelation not the focus of this article?

      • annie on January 3, 2018, 2:08 pm

        nah, that wasn’t my take on it. you have to understand trumpspeak.

      • Talkback on January 3, 2018, 4:19 pm

        It simply means that Dumbo Trump “thinks” that Jerusalem is off the table and therefore JSIL doesn’t longer have to offer anything to get it off the table. It would have “paid” more, if this had been negotiated with the Palestinians.

      • ErsatzYisrael on January 3, 2018, 4:20 pm

        nah, that wasn’t my take on it. you have to understand trumpspeak.

        Oh, please! No one needs to keep pulling the deluded orange moron’s foot out of his mouth for him.

        His obscene little tweets have consequences, deadly consequences, and the impulsive little menace and his handlers need to understand that he just admitted publicly on Twitter that the zios paid his administration a lot of money to take Jerusalem off the negotiating table.

      • annie on January 3, 2018, 4:45 pm

        i’m not pulling his foot out of his mouth. that was my interpretation. besides, it doesn’t make it any better. and i don’t know that “the zios paid his administration a lot of money to take Jerusalem off the negotiating table”. albeit, i have no doubt there was some quid pro quo in there (but that could be anything, or some kind of down the road type business, i have no idea).

        talkback, exactly.

        edit, and then there’s adelson payback.

      • Talkback on January 3, 2018, 5:17 pm

        So if the US has taken Jerusalem off the table Trump and Haley blatantly lied:

        “No outside group should decide what the final status looks like … the U.S. “will respect anything that the two parties come together on.””

      • annie on January 3, 2018, 5:36 pm

        absolutely talkback. note the 2nd paragraph of our article (above):

        CNN notes the contradiction — Trump had said he wasn’t prejudicing the status of Jerusalem with his announcement on December 6; but here he admits that he took the issue off the table, gave it to Israel.

        listen to erekat (video) really good.

        you want to dictate territory and then you say “come here boy, we know what’s best for you, that you must accept this dictation, this is the art of our deal” … this is the new fairness of 2018? this is not gonna fly

      • Citizen on January 3, 2018, 7:34 pm

        Yes, that was my conclusion. Trump considered Adelson, AIPAC & Javanka; nothing else he heard from anyone stuck. He also knew that Haim Saban was the Democrats’ Adelson & that 60% of total donation sum to Democratic Party came from Zionist Jews.

      • Talkback on January 4, 2018, 8:48 am

        Thank you Annie. I read the comments and wrote my comments before I read the article.

  7. Maghlawatan on January 3, 2018, 2:37 pm

    Jerusalem is like the cat problem. You put the cat out the door. It comes in again through the window.
    Trump is a Moron.

  8. Jasonius Maximus on January 3, 2018, 3:15 pm

    And he’s getting away with it because the mainstream US media is outright refusing to report on this issue and his bullying. History will not be kind to the mainstream media’s compliance and complicity in regarding to the Apartheid and ethnic cleansing of the West Bank.

    • annie on January 3, 2018, 3:30 pm

      jasonius, while they are not calling him a bully they are reporting on this issue as well reporting on and quoting palestinians on this issue. open the cnn link in the article. they have a video of erekat speaking to cnn from ramallah (i think it’s ramallah). the many quotes in this article came from main stream media coverage. and wapo is reporting it too although i have not read their coverage.

      • Citizen on January 3, 2018, 7:37 pm

        I see very little coverage on this specific issue from cable TV news & infotainment shows.

  9. JLewisDickerson on January 3, 2018, 3:40 pm

    RE: The “but Israel, for that, would have had to pay more” is somewhat confusing to parse, but I’m pretty sure what he meant is that in return for the gift of recognizing Israeli claim to all of Jerusalem, Trump was going to extract something big from Israel in return
    In other words, this was not a no-strings-attached pro-Israel position.
    ~ Michael Koplow of the Israel Policy Forum

    MY SNARKCASM: Oh, goody! Goody, goody, goody! It’s like that mystery prize in a box of cereal. Something a little extra to encourage children to nag their parents about buying the cereal with the surprise in it (irrespective of its nutritional value).

    MORE SERIOUSLY: What the hell could this mystery surprise for the Palestinians possibly be. A timeshare in Cancun? I’ve wracked my brain (such as it is), and I can’t come up with even one likely possibility.
    Whatever it is, I assume a good businessman like Trump must have insisted to Israel that it be put into escrow.
    Right, Mr. President?

    • JLewisDickerson on January 3, 2018, 5:40 pm

      P.S. A WORD TO THE WISE AND EVERYONE ELSE: Trump will say just about anything (tell numerous lies and/or make promises he does not intend to fulfill, for instance) to close a deal, but once the deal is closed he doesn’t feel obligated to do any more than he absolutely has to do. The documentary below pretty well demonstrates this. Unfortunately, it now only seems to be available in 12 parts (so use ‘autoplay’ on YouTube).


      Donald Trump’s entire career has been about creating and projecting an image of himself that suits his needs. That has never been truer than during his current presidential bid. But what lies behind the image? Is Trump the genius and unremitting success he would have us believe? Is he the master of knowing how to pull all things off, how to win big while intimidating the bad guys and be loved by everyone else?

      Long ago — a quarter century ago — when Trump was already making noises about wanting to be president, some filmmakers set out to discover what the man was made of. They learned a lot — an astonishing amount. And they made a documentary. Trump, always aggressive, threatened to sue, and the film never saw the light of day.

      Now, though, we’ve obtained this documentary and, in the public interest, are showing it. From today until the first votes are cast in Iowa, we will stream “chapters” of it here.

      The film has a gritty tabloid quality to it–and is, by definition, a period piece. However, on the larger issues of Trump’s character and manner of operating, it is more relevant than ever. We dare you to watch this and say that, like Trump, you already “knew it all.”

      Suppressed Documentary Part 1: The Documentary on Donald Trump He Tried to Suppress [05:44] ➤


      “Suppressed Documentary Part 1: The Documentary on Donald Trump…”

      • JLewisDickerson on January 3, 2018, 6:58 pm

        P.P.S. This documentary was originally posted online by Libby Handros, a producer on the original project who said she inherited the footage from the original executive producer, Ned Schnurman. Here’s Libby Handros being interviewed on MSNBC by Joy Reid. Also appearing is David Cay Johnston. LINK ➤

        FOR MORE BACKGROUND, SEE “Suppressed” 1991 Trump Film Released Online by Documentary Producer | By Ben Mathis-Lilley | | July 31, 2015
        LINK ➤

      • JLewisDickerson on January 3, 2018, 7:36 pm

        P.P.P.S. To be fair to Michael Koplow, I think I should post the excellent concluding portion of his thread of tweets on this matter. I just now finally got around to reading them all.

        (((Michael Koplow)))

        Verified account

        18h18 hours ago

        Of course, there is one giant caveat to this whole thread, which is that it relies on an assumption that there was coherent thought behind Trump’s tweet or that he knows any of these intricate details. It’s likelier that I am parsing pronunciations of Chauncy Gardener 9/9 ~


        (δυσπραξία, “bad praxis, misfortune”)
        • President Donald Trump
        • PM Benjamin Netanyahu
        • Mad Crown Prince MBS

        ■ Israeli PM Netanyahu: “Forever Grateful” To Trump For Jerusalem Statement, “Step Towards Peace”

      • JLewisDickerson on January 3, 2018, 9:06 pm

        Trump Has Zero Understanding of American History: Historians on His Presidency (2017)

      • JLewisDickerson on January 4, 2018, 3:40 am

        A Dire Warning About Trump: Revealing His Secret Plans and Marketing Strategy (2017), Naomi Klein & Medea Benjamin

    • Citizen on January 3, 2018, 7:39 pm

      I don’t think Trump meant to extract anything from Israel for giving them Jerusalem. He caters to the Jewish community with money and influence, same as he did as a cost of doing business in the NYC real estate market. No more to his decision on Jerusalem than that.

      • Abierno on January 4, 2018, 5:06 pm

        In response to Michael Koplow’s the Axis of Dyspraxia, it might also be structured – Jared Kushner, Mohammed bin Salman (MbS) and Netanyahu, representing Israeli oligarchs such as Steinmetz, Adelson, etc. Under this axis, inquiring minds would wonder if the price of Jerusalem is loans (imminently forgiveable) to address the @1.2 billion note coming due in approximately 12 months on the 666 Fifth Avenue Building as well as the requested 4 billion in funds to executive the Hadid architectural plans. No relation between these two issues, just sayin’

      • JLewisDickerson on January 5, 2018, 6:00 am

        The “Axis of Dyspraxia” is actually mine (working in collaboration with Aristotle), not Koplows. I hate to get down in the gutter, but I suspect the “Axis of Dyspraxia” is also a budding ménage à trois thanks to young MBS having butted in on a torrid bromance between a couple of old bulls.

    • Misterioso on January 4, 2018, 10:59 am
  10. gracie fr on January 3, 2018, 3:59 pm

    More (hope)…..?????

    “Even if he remains prime minister, Netanyahu is now gingerly marching in what the late Ariel Sharon liked to describe as the corales, the steer’s last trail before the slaughter from which there is no escape. He is on his way to a Nixonian end. Every time he attacks his investigators, diminishes the severity of his known misdeeds and refuses to accept any responsibility for his actions, Netanyahu’s image in Israeli public opinion, including many on the right, is entrenched as a compulsive crook who is clinging to his prime ministerial bedposts. If he continues on his present path, this is how Netanyahu will go down in history as well, with his achievements consigned to oblivion…..”

  11. Talkback on January 3, 2018, 4:13 pm

    “You are moving from negotiating to dictating and then you are threatening us if we don’t accept your dictations –”

    Yep, sounds pretty much like Israel. From “honest” broker to “honest” moron.

  12. just on January 3, 2018, 4:52 pm

    Jerusalem cannot be given away, or taken off the table!

    Trump/Haley/Friedman /Kushner have no right, and thinking Americans should be shouting from the rooftops. May that day come. Soon.

    • Citizen on January 3, 2018, 7:42 pm

      I agree, but Americans won’t be shouting from the roof tops since they get their news from cable tv & that means no context on anything Israel; they don’t even use the word “occupation”

  13. iResistDe4iAm on January 3, 2018, 8:14 pm

    ALTERNATIVE Donald J. Trump:

    It’s not only Pakistan that we pay billions of dollars to for nothing, but also many other countries, and others. As an example, we pay Israel BILLIONS OF DOLLARS a year and get no appreciation or respect. They don’t even want to negotiate a long overdue … peace treaty with the Palestinians. We have taken Jerusalem, the toughest part of the negotiation, off the table, but Israel, for that, would have had to pay more. But with Israel no longer willing to talk peace, why should we make any of these massive future payments to them?

  14. Kaisa of Finland on January 3, 2018, 9:46 pm

    “We have taken Jerusalem..”

    “You want it all but you can’t have it
    It’s in your face but you can’t grab it..”

  15. Kay24 on January 3, 2018, 9:47 pm

    Trump is paying the zionist piper, Sheldon Adelson, by doing his bidding, and he has become a zionist puppet, by accepting the $100 million dollars plus, donated by the Sheldons.
    He has not mentioned, nor called for the building of ILLEGAL settlements to be stopped by the occupier, has consistently praised Israel and Netanyahu (the above picture shows two sleaze bags, making one’s skin crawl) handed Jerusalem on a golden platter to the occupier, and never threatens Israel with stopping aid, despite their consistent breaking of international laws, and defying the US by not stopping the filthy crime of land theft.

    No one in their right mind will want to cooperate, and get to a peace table, which OFFERS THEM NOTHING. Not their lands, not the right to return, no Jerusalem, and everything tied in a bow for their criminal occupier. He also demands “respect” from them. Israel, Adelson, and the other Americans, whose first love is zionism and Israel, is taking advantage of Trump’s lunacy.

    • inbound39 on January 4, 2018, 3:53 am

      Respect is a two way street. In order to get respect you need to give it first. Trump and Netanyahu have never given the Palestinians either. All Trump and Netanyahu are due at the moment is complete and utter Palestinian contempt. Trump couldn;t be a Diplomat if he tried. All he is good at is Making America Despised.

      • Kay24 on January 4, 2018, 10:25 am

        Netanyahu/Israel has always treated the Palestinians in the most inhumane way. Trump and most American leaders, in the WH and Congress, have always sided with the occupier, and when it needed ammunition to continue the slaughter of civilians, the US has always handed them more, during their assault in Gaza. The zionists are sly and dishonest, when it comes to stealing lands, and the US pretends to condemn it, but keeps sending billions of dollars in support of their crimes. The Palestinians have endured this shabby treatment for too long, and have never given up, however, signs are they have to look elsewhere for help, the zionists/American treatment of their people, cheating them of their freedom, rights, and lands, will never change.
        It is the most vicious treatment of powerless people by those who brag they are “democracies”

  16. JLewisDickerson on January 3, 2018, 11:29 pm

    RE: “[W]e pay the Palestinians HUNDRED OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS a year and get no appreciation or respect.” ~ Pres. Trump


  17. wondering jew on January 4, 2018, 12:58 am

    Trump’s tweet was incoherent, which is maybe for the best, because what would lucidity plus trump add up to?
    Meanwhile fatah and Hamas do not seem headed towards reconciliation. Gaza’s rehabilitation seems doable, but not without the political will of Israel and the Palestinians and the Egyptians. A steady hand at the helm of the white house would be useful, but the 4 parties of Israel Hamas fatah and Egypt are the primary parties.

  18. RoHa on January 4, 2018, 1:19 am

    Interesting, though not too cheery, article by the Saker.

    “the swamp easily, quickly and totally drowned Trump,”

    • eljay on January 4, 2018, 9:12 am

      || RoHa: Interesting, though not too cheery, article by the Saker. … ||

      … [US decision makers] … profoundly believe in four fundamental things:

      1. We can buy anybody
      2. Those we cannot buy, we bully
      3. Those we cannot bully we kill
      4. Nothing can happen to us, we live in total impunity not matter what we do

      Another set of “shared common values” with Zionists.

      (In geographic Palestine itself, Zionists generally skip steps 1 and 2.)

  19. Citizen on January 4, 2018, 4:13 am

    The Jewish Zionist billionaires, lobbyists, and Christian Zionist extremists voters behind Trump’s Jerusalem move via @qz

  20. HarryLaw on January 4, 2018, 5:19 am

    Just a few of the opinions regarding Trump…..
    Wolff quotes News Corp CEO Rupert Murdoch as calling Trump a “fucking idiot.” He quotes former Fox News chief Roger Ailes encouraging Bannon not to “give Donald too much to think about.” The book reports that former deputy chief of staff Katie Walsh thought the White House was incompetently run. Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and former chief of staff Reince Priebus believe Trump to be an “idiot.” Gary Cohn, the president’s top economic adviser, regards Trump as “dumb as shit.” The president’s top national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, considers him a “dope.” Even Trump’s beloved daughter, Ivanka, seems to be in on the gag.

    “She treated her father with a degree of detachment, even irony,” wrote Wolff, “going so far as to make fun of his comb-over to others.”

    None of this, notably, includes Secretary of State Rex Tillerson own take on his boss. A “fucking moron” is how he reportedly deemed Trump.
    Although one should never mock the afflicted, I agree with Tillerson.

    • John O on January 4, 2018, 10:41 am

      I shall doubtless get round to reading Wolff’s book in due course, though it does seem to run to sensationalism. In the meantime, I’m reading “Collusion”, by Luke Harding, the Guardian’s former Moscow correspondent, about Trump’s relationship with Putin. In particular, he emphasises the way that Russia’s political class, its security services, and its organised criminals, have merged seamlessly under Putin into an utterly corrupt state that clearly has trump on a leash.

      • Tuyzentfloot on January 4, 2018, 12:00 pm
      • philweiss on January 4, 2018, 12:13 pm

        I agree with you on Harding. He is all inference. It’s very sloppy. Like this line:
        I mean either you kind of live in the empirical world or you don’t, but I mean-
        He is saying, You have to make assumptions about what is true… And they are of course highly conventional assumptions

      • annie on January 4, 2018, 12:25 pm

        that’s a totally damning interview of harding on real news network. Aaron Mate wrapped him in circles. and there was another reporter, can’t recall who, that allegedly harding got all the info for his book from.

      • Sibiriak on January 4, 2018, 7:29 pm

        Harding has a long history of agenda-driven, intellectually dishonest “journalism”. E.g.:

      • John O on January 7, 2018, 9:06 am


        Harding has a long history of agenda-driven, intellectually dishonest “journalism”. ‘

        Are you kidding? The site you link to is clearly designed to rubbish the Guardian and the BBC (much like the Guardianwatch and BBCwatch hasbara sites). They seem to think Putin is OK, though.

      • gamal on January 7, 2018, 1:35 pm

        “Are you kidding?”

        Do you think he has sunk to level of an Iranian?

        You are spewing propaganda at 14 Newtons per foot/pound….I don’t know what that is in Herzls but it’s pretty unconvincing…(Brummie a glory of the English language, Geordie not a dialect, everyone hates Scoucers)

        Your “Balham gateway to the South” act inspires a kind of nostalgia in me… but it is a longing for shit but familiar times … my Brit is miserable and thus authentic, you are not carrying people with you…see how it’s done.

      • Keith on January 7, 2018, 4:41 pm

        JOHN O- ” The site you link to is clearly designed to rubbish the Guardian and the BBC….”

        I’m with you, John O. If you can’t trust the Guardian, the BBC, the NYT, CNN and MSNBC, who can you trust?

        JOHN O- “They seem to think Putin is OK, though.”

        I hear you! Bring back Yeltsin! Follow the link for a trip down memory lane.

    • Keith on January 4, 2018, 10:56 am

      HARRY LAW- “Although one should never mock the afflicted, I agree with Tillerson.”

      Yes, but is the 99% better off with an incompetent imperial president or with a highly effective imperial president, the more effective evil?

      • Tuyzentfloot on January 4, 2018, 12:10 pm

        And is the 99% better off with supporting a largely or wholly fictitious Russiagate in the hope that it gets rid of Trump, or does this only push him further in the arms of the wrong allies while diverting attention from the damage Trump is really doing?

    • RoHa on January 4, 2018, 6:14 pm

      And this was the least worst candidate for the presidency.

      Not an encouraging feature of American politics.

      • Keith on January 5, 2018, 2:50 pm

        ROHA- “And this was the least worst candidate for the presidency.”

        Not so. At least one of the Third Party candidates was far superior to either of the major party candidates, however, the US voters CHOSE to vote for one of the two corporate party candidates, hence, for the corporate/financial agenda. In many ways, the 99% deserves their fate. What a pity that I also am affected by their irrational decision making.

      • Mooser on January 5, 2018, 3:48 pm

        “In many ways, the 99% deserves their fate. What a pity that I also am affected by their irrational decision making.” “Keith”

        It is, indeed. “Keith”, try to bear in mind; ‘no man is Long Island. We are but clods washed away by the sea.’

      • RoHa on January 5, 2018, 6:37 pm

        “Not so. ”

        You wrote in yourself? I’d have voted for you.

        Otherwise, American third part candidates are a joke, and that’s when anyone notices them. I think Nader was the nearest to a real candidate. In the last election I recall a loopy woman called Jill Stein, who immediately started supporting Clinton’s call for a recount.
        Right now, the two big parties have the system locked down.

      • Keith on January 6, 2018, 1:02 am

        ROHA- “You wrote in yourself? I’d have voted for you.”

        Well, that means that I would have gotten 4 votes. You, me, Hophmi and Yonah! Third Party candidates are not a joke! Jill Stein was a genuine Roosevelt Democrat, her positions far superior to the Republicrats. Her call for a recount in selected states stupid. She may have effectively destroyed the Green Party. And yet…. What is the alternative? Voting Republicrat? Only a masochist would do that. Not vote? Ah, a sleeper for justice! Unless and until the voters revolt at the polls, nothing will change for the better and a lot will change for the worse!

      • annie on January 6, 2018, 2:42 am

        i voted for stein too. i’m over (forever) voting for the less of 2 evils. in good conscience i couldn’t vote for clinton after libya — other reasons too obviously. trump, forget it. for me it was always about take a huge domestic hit vs killing a few more million arabs. face it, had clinton been elected the war in syria would be in full neocon swing right now. our choices from dnc/gop (after bernie was eliminated) totally sucked.

        and let’s really hope we don’t nuke north korea. don’t think clinton would have done that, nor canceling iran deal, nor the jerusalem announcement. she’s more a slow bleed libzio (more endless nothing negotiation) kinda politician. i am completely over settling for dnc/gop paradigm. the system, for sure, is broken.

  21. Ossinev on January 4, 2018, 7:51 am

    IMHO Erekat and the rest of the Abbas cartel are now the real problem. They have known that the 2SS/Peace Process is a charade and Erekat has in the past threatened to “hand back the keys”.

    Daffy Donald`s decision on Jerusalem,the surge in settlement planning and building and the ever increasing Fascist brutality of the IOF military law in the occupied territories – all of these are glaring examples of the pointlessness of continuing with the 2SS charade on the part of the Palestinians.

    Erekat and the rest of the Abbas crew have known for a very long time that the 2SS will never”fly” and have been deceiving the Palestinian people for a very long time – they just want to keep their 5 star international hotel jobs to the bitter end.

    • inbound39 on January 4, 2018, 12:29 pm

      To me the sickest thing about it all is the fact all World leaders appear to place Israel undisputably in charge of any decision or indecision and leave Israel to violate International Law with total impunity, For once in their sad little lives World leaders need to grow a pair and at long last stick it to Israel with crippling sanctions until it complies. No more warships and subs from Germany and no more free passes to cross borders and visit and trade from EU States. If all these countries deem UN Membership important and its laws and charters important then it needs to defend them and protect them from abuse like upstarts called Netanyahu and Trump. If not then All should leave and close the doors of UN and let Israel have total carte blanche in running the World as that seems to be what these spineless World leaders appear to want by doing nothing.

  22. HarryLaw on January 4, 2018, 12:17 pm

    Ossinev, The Palestinians have to make some serious decisions on how to proceed in the immediate future, especially with the Trump administration taking orders from the Israelis. It is long past time for elections in Palestine, which were due to be held toward the end of 2018, although Abbas has the ultimate authority to decide the date. The Israelis have decided the Palestinians will have no sovereign state and are committed to annexing all of Palestine, with only self governing Bantustans with no representation in the Knesset. All financed with money from the KSA, US and Europe to sweeten the prison like conditions. The ‘West’ may not be happy with this arrangement but the Europeans are so spineless they will follow the US lead, which is to obey Israeli dictats. The Palestinians are in a very weak position, not able to resist militarily or to influence Western leaderships, They should of course join the ‘arc of resistance’ Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon backed by Russia, the ‘arc’ have at least promised to fight for Palestinian rights. I suspect that will be a bridge too far for Abbas and Co.

    • inbound39 on January 4, 2018, 12:47 pm

      For the past few months ,Harry, I have been thinking Russia and Iran is Palestinians best option….it would put the fear of God in Netanyahu and Israel.

  23. Ossinev on January 4, 2018, 1:52 pm

    My view is that Abbas and co are permanently and irrevocably locked into the 2SS charade and the endless and totally pointless world tours to get sympathy from various states and international bodies. I believe that they recognised long ago that the Israelis would never allow a sovereign Palestinian state and they would have to be seriously braindead to believe that this is possible in the future what with the inexorable growth of the settlements in the West Bank ,Trumps decision ref Jerusalem and not least the Likud Party draft resolution to annex large parts of the West Bank. The situation off its own momentum is progressing to a South African Mark 2 overt Apartheid scenario but unlike Apartheid South Africa because of the Internet,Smart phones etc Western Countries inc ultimately the US will not be able to dither with meaningless half hearted condemnations. Actions inc sanctions, travel restrictions,visa restrictions to name but a few from a long list will have to be taken soon and be seen to be happening. Pivotal to this is the untapped power of the younger generation Palestinians to finally reject the PA Vichy stooges, kick them into touch and take to the streets with mass peaceful demonstrations . Ahed and her family have already shown the way forward.BTW I am not being naive in all this. I know full well that the Israelis will utilise their usual box of tricks to discredit the demonstrators , to provoke them and yes lives will be lost but is quite simply the only way forward and it represents the ultimate nightmare scenario for Zionist Israelis.

    • echinococcus on January 4, 2018, 3:04 pm

      My view is that Abbas and co are permanently and irrevocably locked into the 2SS charade

      No. They are permanently and irrevocably locked into being the puppets of the Zionists who pay them (via the US taxpayer) and that will only stop when they are gotten out of the way.
      If the Zionist direction suddenly wants a 22-state solution or a green unicorn or a swift and accelerated genocide of all Palestinians, why, of course they will be “permenanently and irrevocably” for it.

      Let’s please stop mentioning this heap of dung as if it had an autonomous existence or calling it “Palestinian”.

  24. James Canning on January 4, 2018, 5:38 pm

    Trump is the arrogant, ignorant stooge of Sheldon Adelson, whose main goal is scr*wing the Palestinians as hard as possible.

  25. Emet on January 9, 2018, 4:50 pm

    The more Jerusalem is placed under the microscope, the more the ignorant will come to understand the historic importance this city has to the Jewish people, an importance that far out-dates claims by Arabs and Muslims.

    • just on January 10, 2018, 6:12 am

      Listen and read:

      “Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as capital of ‘Jewish people’ is assault on my religion — Queens rabbi”

      Comprehend, if you can.

    • eljay on January 10, 2018, 8:42 am

      || Emet: The more Jerusalem is placed under the microscope, the more the ignorant will come to understand the historic importance this city has to the Jewish people, an importance that far out-dates claims by Arabs and Muslims. ||

      The hateful and immoral are those who refuse to understand that any “historic importance” of Jerusalem to Jews does not grant to Jews the right to do evil.

    • Talkback on January 10, 2018, 9:01 am

      Emet: “The more Jerusalem is placed under the microscope, the more the ignorant will come to understand the historic importance this city has to the Jewish people, an importance that far out-dates claims by Arabs and Muslims.”

      Maybe. But importance or claims doesn’t generate a right. And Jerusalem is still considered to be illegaly annexed by Israel. In fact Israel itself declared (West-) Jerusalem to be occupied by Israel in August 1948. In fact it declared to the Security Council within the first week after its declaration that any territory outside the partition plan is outside of the territory of the state of Israel. But this is not important to the ignorant.

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