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Keith

Radical dissident. Retired.

Website: http://saskck.blogspot.com

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  • Once again, Israel's influence outpaces Russia's
    • PHIL- "Trump’s fiasco in Helsinki...."

      I would be most interested in how you came to the conclusion that it was a fiasco. Also, something that may interest fellow commenters is the fact that during the 2012 Presidential election campaign, Obama and the rest of the Democratic elite pilloried Mitt Romney for demonizing Russia as our enemy. They described Romney as stuck in an out of date cold war mentality. Some turnabout! I link to a Chomsky interview where clips of some of these comments are shown. Most interesting. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49873.htm

  • US has intervened in twice as many elections as Russia
    • MOOSER- "The videos of Hilary and Obama inviting Russia to launder money, meddle in elections, hack into e-mails and buy a candidate are damning, aren’t they?"

      Give it a rest, for cry sakes. So you think that Russia "meddles" in our (fraudulent) elections more than Israel? More than Saudi Arabia? More than the Military Industrial Complex? More than Wall Street? More than the f***ing MSM? We are part of an incredibly corrupt empire where everything is for sale and the Russians don't have enough money to make a significant impact. But if it makes you feel good to parrot the party line even as you piss upon your brain, what can I say? Rubbing shoulders with John McCain, channeling Joe McCarthy, you have turned into some peice of work. Seriously. Another quote for you.

      "Where to begin to analyze the madness of mainstream media in reaction to the Trump-Putin meeting in Helsinki? By focusing on the individual, psychology has neglected the problem of mass insanity, which has now overwhelmed the United States establishment, its mass media and most of its copycat European subsidiaries. The individuals may be sane, but as a herd they are ready to leap off the cliff.

      For the past two years, a particular power group has sought to explain away its loss of power – or rather, its loss of the Presidency, as it still holds a predominance of institutional power – by creation of a myth. Mainstream media is known for its herd behavior, and in this case the editors, commentators, journalists have talked themselves into a story that initially they themselves could hardly take seriously.

      On the face of it, this is preposterous. Okay, the United States can manage to rig elections in Honduras, or Serbia, or even Ukraine, but the United States is a bit too big and complex to leave the choice of the Presidency to a barrage of electronic messages totally unread by most voters." (Diana Johnstone) https://www.globalresearch.ca/donald-trump-was-elected-by-russia-mass-dementia-in-the-western-establishment/5648031

    • MOOSER- "Pssst, “Keith”, listen, when the time comes, I’ve got a couple of underscores for sale to the highest bidder."

      Better save them for yourself and other Democrat warmongers. Not all that long ago, the Democrats were talking about cooperation with Russia. During the 2012 Presidential election campaign, Obama and the rest of the Democratic elite pilloried Mitt Romney for demonizing Russia as our enemy. They described Romney as stuck in an out of date cold war mentality. Some turnabout! What happened, Moosie, why the change?

      I link to a Chomsky interview where clips of some of these comments are shown. Most interesting. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49873.htm

    • MOOSER- "...colluding with Russia."

      What are you, a DNC parrot? A new cold warrior? This Russiagate nonsense is pure BS. The world would be a better place if Israel had as little influence on US policy as Russia which is close to zero. The New Democrats are the new warmongers, McCarthyites on steroids.

    • KAY24- "It seems Trump became a Russian official at that moment."

      Defending the integrity of the CIA? Calling detente treason? You must be a diehard Democratic loyalist. The lying, cheating, murderous empire is on a rampage and you defend the rampage? What next, Heil Hitlary? Unbelievable.

  • Maybe Yugoslavia could have beaten France in World Cup
    • PHIL- "P.S. Here is an excerpt from Roger Cohen’s book on Yugoslavia, Hearts Grown Brutal: Sagas of Sarajevo, in which he condemns the myths of tribe that overcame the “reality of mingling.”

      Roger Cohen is a Jewish Zionist Hasbarist who is not to be trusted. As I indicated in the above comment, American Jewish Zionist supported Clinton's aggression against Yugoslavia, Cohen mangling reality to provide support. He just recently authored an over-the-top vision of a Trump inspired dystopian future. I quote CJ Hopkins and link to Cohen's insanity:

      "A fusillade of apocalyptic op-eds followed, the most shamelessly paranoid and hysterical of which was Roger Cohen’s experimental dystopia, in which “The Alliance of Authoritarian and Reactionary States” trick the inherently fascist Europeans into launching a Second Holocaust with a “fake news” story about Moroccan migrants abducting poor little “Tatiana” from a beach resort in Fuengirola."
      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/29/opinion/europe-immigration-trump-putin-germany.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

    • PHIL- "So today I imagine that if Yugoslavia had overcome its differences, it would be champion."

      Overcome its differences? Yugoslavia was destabilized and broken apart by the empire and NATO, Germany and the US the primary beneficiaries. Do you know who the first head of the German BND (CIA) was? Reinhard Gehlen who was the German general for intelligence on the Eastern front during World War II. The Croats and the Muslims were allied with Hitler, the Serbs with Russia (the allies). The Serb resistance was critical in delaying the German advance and may have saved Russia. The Germans never forgave the Serbs for that. Interestingly, American Zionist Jews supported the destabilization and demonization of the Serbs, in effect supporting the neo-Nazi heirs to the Ustashe. So, Soros, the CIA, the Democrats (Clinton & Obama) support neo-nazis in Eastern Europe, then the Zionists complain about the rise in anti-Semitism. Go figure.

      PHIL- (from your link to "Hearts Grown Brutal")- "...-in World War II, when Croatia sided with the Nazis and when Serbia took the opportunity of the German invasion to settle old scores against Croats, Muslims, Jews, and Gypsies."

      What bullshit! The Croats and Muslims were aligned with Hitler, the Croats running the Jasenovac death camp where hundreds of thousands of Jews, Gypsies and (mostly) Serbs were exterminated.

      "While the 1964 census attempted to include all victims of the fascist occupation in wartime Yugoslavia, including the victims of the system of death camps at Jasenovac, it needs to be emphasized that the data collected in this census is incomplete. Many of the victims of Jasenovac and other camps are either not yet collected in any census, or were not included in this one. Nevertheless, we consider this database an invaluable tool for researchers and for victims’ families who wish to pursue research on this subject. It is a database that should be seen as a tool toward reaching a better knowledge of the real magnitude of the crimes of genocide committed by the Croatian Ustashe, the Nazis and their fascist collaborators, and a means for building a comprehensive list of known victims of the Holocaust in Yugoslavia." (US Holocaust Memorial Museum) https://www.ushmm.org/online/hsv/source_view.php?SourceId=35701

      Also, see "Jasenovac and the Holocaust in Yugoslavia," Barry M. Lituchy, ed.

  • Ocasio-Cortez hedges criticisms of Israel-- 'I may not use the right words'
    • MOOSER- "Don’t you live in Washington State? Hope is legal here."

      Yes, but increasingly unaffordable. My wife and I associate primarily with my wife's friends, mostly women from her book club. Mostly retired professionals, well educated and economically secure and, alas, staunch "liberal" Democrats who defend the indefensible and take umbrage at the drop of a hat. I can't comment to them as freely as I do on Mondoweiss, forced to bite my tongue until it bleeds (that hurts!). If it was just me, that would be another story, but if momma ain't happy daddy ain't happy. Besides, rational argument is totally ineffective on those in the iron grip of the logic of irrationality. Intense group solidarity is a tough nut to crack, rarely worth the effort to try. Besides, when the group comes under perceived attack, the wagons are psychologically circled, solidarity increases. I leave you with a quote. Enjoy!

      "There seems to be a complete psychotic break with reality in the U.S. as a result of the Trump-Putin summit.Liberals are hysterically calling for impeachment and even so-called radicals are quoting ex-CIA criminal John Brennan and branding Trump a traitor. The good thing about all of this is that the liberals posing as radicals have been exposed and their sentimental pro-empire, pro-American proclivities revealed. Unfortunately, though, the reactions to the summit has also revealed a secret that many of us knew, spoke about but did not dare focus too much attention on it, and that was the reality of how right-wing Black America had become.

      The Russians today, the Chinese tomorrow, Putin's a devil while Benjamin Netanyahu is honored even though his hands drip with the blood of unarmed Palestinians. It is very dangerous, especially for the oppressed, when the rulers know how easy it is to manipulate public opinion." (Ajamu Baraka) https://www.blackagendareport.com/musings-marginsthe-nato-and-putin-summits-plus-high-crimes-misdemeanors-and-liberal-madness

    • SIBIRIAK- "PEIW ! (progressive except imperial warmongering.)"

      I prefer POOP (progressive only on Palestine). Rhetoric aside, there is nothing progressive about the Clintons' New Democrats. This is the party that gave us NAFTA and neoliberal globalization. The party which invented identity politics and imperial feminism. The party most closely aligned with the CIA, FBI, NSA, The Council on Foreign Relations, Wall Street and the rest of the Deep State. And now accusing Trump of treason for the only good thing he has done in office, namely, trying to work with Russia. Accusing Russia of "hacking" our democracy (a ludicrous concept) when it was us who recklessly expanded NATO, interfered with their elections in support of Yeltsin who helped us destroy their economy. I once again link to the Abby Martin interview of Mark Ames on the Yeltsin years. https://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2017/01/23/abby-martin-russias-transformation-from-an-american-colony-to-its-number-one-threat/

      And now we have loyal supporters of the Democrats who fancy themselves liberal but now join with the Deep State to demonize Russia. The only thing progressive about these party loyalists are some of their bumper stickers. This irrational support for the Democrats is similar to the staunch support for Israel by the Zionists. The statements by the Democratic leadership are so over the top that things must be coming to a head. This is an eleventh hour grab for power before global end-of-era restructuring. A certain degree of group solidarity is understandable but what is happening now is insane. This is one of the reasons I have so little hope. Group loyalty almost always overwhelms common sense.

    • SIBIRIAK- " Regarding Russiagate, US politics have reached insane levels of (manufactured) hysteria and are beyond any possible remediation."

      I agree. In fact this is yet another example of a dysfunctional aspect of human psychology, what I refer to as the logic of irrationality. Something is logical if it is consistent with relevant assumptions. Something is rational if it is consistent with observable reality. Assumptions which are not rational lead to irrational conclusions which are nonetheless completely logical within the framework of the initial assumptions. In other words, ideological assumptions have logical consequences even if these assumptions are irrational. That is, ideology tends to define reality even when irrational so that behavior is governed by the logic of the ideology, not by rational thought.

      Most humans willingly adapt their cognitive interpretations to be consistent with group ideology/mythology. The tendency for individuals in a group to evaluate situations from the perspective of a shared ideology creates a de facto internalized behavioral guidance system consistent with group objectives. It should be noted that group ideology and group objectives do not reflect the input of the various members of the group, rather they reflect the biases and objectives of the group elites.

      The tendency seems to be an emphasis on group cohesion at the expense of rationality, particularly when the group feels threatened. Discussions, debates and arguments influenced by ideology are not so much an attempt at evaluating the rational truth, but a defense of personal/group ideology. My irrational beliefs versus your irrational beliefs. The notion of a rational economic man or a rational political man are absurd. Most people are a bundle of bias and emotion waiting to be exploited. Faithful followers. Leaders are a bundle of bias and emotion waiting to exploit. Power seekers. Society may be thought of as individuals united in defensive solidarity whose actions are guided by the power seeking proclivities of the elite. Furthermore, the natural inclination of elites to engage in deception to achieve their goals means that society is, to a significant degree, a group of individuals united by fealty to fraudulent misrepresentations of realty.
      http://saskck.blogspot.com/2010/10/

    • MOOSER- "After the summit, the witch-hunt will seem even more pointless, too."

      Ah, a loyal Democrat and supporter of imperial war mongering! There is nothing "pointless" about this witch-hunt (an accurate description, by the way). One has only to look at who the Democratic power-brokers are to realize that warfare and imperial aggression has become the new tikkun olam. Sorros, the CIA, the imperial media, and the Democrats. All for one and one for all.

      This morning I received an e-mail from your fellow Democratic loyalist Rob Reiner. He wants me to sign his petition saying "Treason isn't a word I use lightly. But right now I'm finding it hard to find any other word.....In front of the world's media, standing next to Russian President Vladimir Putin after their closed-door #TreasonSummit, Donald Trump said that he believes Putin over the findings of EVERY SINGLE U.S. intelligence agency that the Russian government committed cyber warfare against the U.S. in the 2016 presidential election."

      The "meathead" has zero intellectual integrity. Lying for power and in solidarity. Utter bullshit shamelessly hawked. Russian expert Professor Stephen Cohen comments:

      "As a rule, American presidents have departed for summits with bipartisan support and well-wishes. Trump’s upcoming meeting with Russian President Putin, in Helsinki on July 16, is profoundly different in two respects. US-Russian relations have rarely, if ever, been more dangerous. And never before has a president’s departure—in Trump’s case, first for a NATO summit and then the one with Putin—been accompanied by allegations that he is disloyal to the United States and thus cannot be trusted, defamations once issued only by extremist fringe elements in American politics. Now, however, we are told this daily by mainstream publications, broadcasts, and “think tanks. ”According to a representative of the Clintons’ Center for American Progress, “Trump is going to sell out America and its allies.” The New York Times and The Washington Post also feature “experts”—they are chosen accordingly—who “worry” and “fear” that Trump and Putin “will get along.” The Times of London, a bastion of Russophobic Cold War advocacy, captures the mainstream perspective in a single headline: “Fears Grow Over Prospect of Trump ‘Peace Deal’ with Putin.”

      An anti-“peace” Washington establishment is, of course, what still-unproven Russiagate allegations have wrought, as summed up by a New York magazine writer who advises us that the Trump-Putin summit may well be “less a negotiation between two heads of state than a meeting between a Russian-intelligence asset and his handler.” The charge is hardly original, having been made for months at MSNBC by the questionably credentialed “intelligence expert” Malcolm Nance and, it seems, selectively informed Rachel Maddow, among many other “experts.” Considering today’s perilous geopolitical situation, it is hard not to conclude that much of the American political establishment, particularly the Democratic Party, would prefer trying to impeach Trump to averting war with Russia, the other nuclear superpower. For this too, there is no precedent in American history." (Stephen F. Cohen) http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49847.htm

    • SIBIRIAK- "Lol! Of course, that could happen, but I’ll wait until it does before I attack her for it."

      You misunderstand. My comment was to PHIL not Ms. Obama-Cortez. Since she is young and has no record, what is to attack? Of course, those with even a smidgen of intuitive pattern recognition recognize certain precedents. Call it informed speculation. No, for me the main story is how desperate the liberals are to fantasize about some 28 year old neophyte as their ship coming in. The new savior du jour bringing hope and change. How pathetic is that? Hell's bells, she could be smarter than Chomsky, more morally steadfast than MLK and still not make a difference. For cry sakes, the corporations led by Wall Street are running the global political economy. And to reform the political economy would take a mass movement we don't have along with time we have already run out of. We are at the end of an era and at the brink of unprecedented global upheaval including likely ecological breakdown. I am far less concerned about Obama-Cortez' statement on Palestine than her words and ACTIONS concerning Russiagate, imperial militarism, and neoliberal globalization. I am at the stage where I have more-or-less run out of optimism, gallows humor my salvation. This whole thread has seen more intense and emotional debate than the subject is worth.

    • PHIL- "Ocasio-Cortez is just 28 and it shows. Give her a couple years and I am sure she will show more firmness and strength on these answers."

      I agree! No more wishy-washy "Well, I believe absolutely in Israel’s right to exist." Soon, she will harden her position to be that her number one priority is Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. Too funny.

  • Netanyahu’s war on transcendence 
    • ECHINOCOCCUS- "He is right: no matter how you define “ghetto”, this one is similar to the Warsaw ghetto 1941-42 in everyone’s mind."

      Surely you jest. Gaza is similar to the Warsaw ghetto 1941-1942 in a negligible number of people's minds. When most Americans think of "ghetto," their thoughts never encompass the Warsaw ghetto. Open-air prison is sufficiently accurate and widely used. The need is to end the blockade not start haggling over definitions of ghetto. This is an unwelcome diversion. Period. Full stop.

    • MARLYN GARSON- "I have always refused to refer to Gaza as an open-air prison."

      Ghetto is a weak and inadequate term, your mangling of the definition of both prison and ghetto notwithstanding. Wikipedia's definition of a ghetto as " a part of a city in which members of a minority group live, typically as a result of social, legal, or economic pressure" hardly describes Gaza. Concentration Camp is more accurate but is politically unusable. Open-air prison still works for me.

  • Zionism ate my religion, and I am taking it back
    • ELJAY- "... but since Jewish is a religion-based identity and a choice IMO it is – and it should be – entirely up to them."

      You are significantly underestimating the psychological impact of the Holocaust in which it most assuredly was not up to the individual to decide if he/she was Jewish. The Zionists have exploited the Holocaust to convince many (most?) Jews that the Goyim will always consider them Jews, hence, Jews share a common fate. Additionally, nowadays there are a lot of advantages to sharing in Jewish kinship solidarity.

    • ROHA- "But in those days Jews believed they had to be Jews because God told them to. Nowadays, lots of Jews don’t believe in God, but still believe they have to be Jews. And they have to find a reason why."

      You are in agreement with Jacob Neusner (and me). Once, Jews were united by the Judaic religion which elaborated a common destiny. Hard times were said to be God's retribution. The Holocaust changed that. Who could believe that was God's will? So, the Zionists exploited the Holocaust to convince the various groups of Jews that they shared a common fate because they were Jews, hence, their best defense against irrational and eternal anti-Semitism was solidarity and support for the Jewish state.

      "Just as the Judaic tradition had formerly told Jews what it meant to be Jewish - had supplied them with a considerable definition of their identity - so does Zionism in the modern age. Jews who lost hold of the mythic structure of the past were given a grasp on a new myth, one composed of the structural remnants of the old one." (p176, "Stranger at Home: "The Holocaust", Zionism, and American Judaism," Jacob Neusner)

  • On Rabbi Andy Bachman’s public congratulations to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    • ECHINOCOCCUS- "both highly relevant"

      You got that right! Claims of Bernie's independence are a joke when he hews to the Democratic party line on these critical issues even when they are obviously pretexts for imperial interventions. The Democrats have gone so far off the deep end on this Russiagate BS that it is surreal. And a "socialist" calling Chavez a dictator? What a farce! Besides, Wall Street and the corporations are calling the shots in any event. The politicians manage society to achieve business/imperial objectives. Elections have turned into political theater, nothing more. And a big part of the problem is the electorate who simply will not revolt at the polls.

    • ANNIE- "keith, i think ocasio-cortez is way ahead of the pack."

      The Democratic Party is the graveyard of progressive movements. If Ocasio-Cortez was a true progressive, she wouldn't be a Democrat. Seriously. Apparently she is already onboard with Russiagate (a monumental insult to the intelligence) and supportive of the imperialist controlled Venezuelan opposition. Remember, Bernie Sanders referred to Hugo Chavez as a dictator. But I agree that if you are into empty rhetoric, Ocasio-Cortez is ahead of the pack. Another quote and link to the highly recommended article by John Steppling.

      "So, is it not peculiar to anyone that this new face of pseudo socialism pops up right now — literally out of nowhere? See, to me it feels very Obama like. Its perception management meets electoral long game strategic thinking. Honestly, all the talk of keeping an eye on her (Ocasio-Cortez) and making sure she honors her principles, etc…all of this feels wildly naive and almost delusional, frankly. One has to learn to read the codes. And since it is a proven fact that the Democrat Party is utterly corrupt, in bed with Wall Street and big corporate entities in agriculture, telecoms, and pharmaceuticals, as well as the military itself — why would one want to give a candidate FOR this utterly corrupt party the benefit of the doubt?" (John Steppling) https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/07/11/the-wisdom-of-serpents/

    • RABBI BRANT ROSEN- (From Rabbi Bachman's open letter)- "I write to you as a progressive and a Zionist."

      First of all the obvious - there is no such thing as a progressive Zionist. Rabbi Bachman is a Zionist apologist attempting to put Ocasio-Cortez on warning that concern for Palestinian human rights and criticism of Israel is unacceptable. Secondly, Ocasio-Cortez victory is being over-hyped. She is a youthful Bernie Sanders type sheep dog designed to say nice things and lure "liberals" back into the Democratic Party. A party, I might add, which has fully embraced neocon warmongering and empire. A relevant quote and link to an article which discusses Ocasio-Cortez and the Democrats.

      "But perhaps most important in any discussion of the Democratic Party are their ties to the CIA.

      Patrick Martin writes…
      “An extraordinary number of former intelligence and military operatives from the CIA, Pentagon, National Security Council and State Department are seeking nomination as Democratic candidates for Congress in the 2018 midterm elections. The potential influx of military-intelligence personnel into the legislature has no precedent in US political history. If the Democrats capture a majority in the House of Representatives on November 6, as widely predicted, candidates drawn from the military-intelligence apparatus will comprise as many as half of the new Democratic members of Congress.”

      This is interesting for a variety of reasons, not least of which is that the DNC does nothing to hide this but rather sees it a sure fire vote getter." (John Steppling) https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/07/11/the-wisdom-of-serpents/

  • First they came for Alan Dershowitz
    • ECHINOCOCCUS- "The real unslaughterables today are the libruls."

      Speaking of which, John Steppling over at CounterPunch has an amusing and informative article on the current liberal belief in political miracles. The whole article is well worth the read. A quote and a link.

      "I keep watching the ways in which people, left leaning liberals anyway, and even some I thought were leftists, fall over themselves to believe in the Alexandria Ocasio Cortez victory. Now, I don’t believe, I should make clear. But I find what is interesting is the ways in which this story became a kind of fairy tale and found traction. First, it’s New York. If this occurs in Port Huron or Tampa or Bakersfield — there is no story. Secondly, this woman came out of the Democratic Party machine, out of Ted Kennedy’s office and Bernie Sanders campaign. Does that not tell you something? But third, there is something curious about her whole story. And her web page says her father was a small business owner and other places it says he is an architect. None of this matters, mind you, except that she is certainly not well known in the Bronx by activists or anyone else. She strikes me, personally, as culturally a Westchester County product, not the Bronx. And I guess I find her a bit too telegenic, too perfect an image. Not to mention she is already parroting DNC rhetoric about Russiagate and already making friendly with the fascist opposition against Venezuela. One would think a Latina would know better, no? The U.S. is, after all, on the verge of a possible military intervention in Venezuela — and house and senate Democrats are perfectly aligned with this thinking. When did anyone last hear a Democrat voice support for the Bolivarian revolution? Then there is the fact that her most intense support came from white affluent gentrifiers in her district. So a radical she is not." (John steppling) https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/07/11/the-wisdom-of-serpents/

  • Hasbara is dead
    • BUMBLEBYE- "She has implemented recommendations of the Chakrabarti Report into the disciplinary procedures and now updated the Party’s approach to antisemitism...."

      That a small, privileged group could use spurious claims of "anti-Semitism" as a weapon to “ensure[s] ruinous consequences, be they criminal, professional, financial or reputational,” indicates a radically outsized influence of Zionist Jews upon the political economy. Corbyn should have nipped this in the bud. Folks who roll over get run over. Things may not be quite as bad as they were, but that is hardly reassuring.

    • MAGHLAWATAN- "Wrapping up “Jewish self determination” in a brutal system of ethnic hatred- it doesn’t seem to work any more in the UK :"

      Nothing in the article you linked suggests that this is so. In fact, I draw the opposite conclusion. Reckless charges of anti-Semitism have been legalized and sanctified in Britain making criticism of Israel and Zionism risky to say the least. This is a manifestation of Jewish Zionist power which appears to me to be growing stronger, not weaker. A relevant quote and link.

      "The article will delve into the corrosive methods of the CAA; review the manner in which this ultra Zionist group “discovers” anti-Semitic “incidents”; examine their inaccurate statistical “studies” and see how they seek to intimidate political parties, venues, the press and others; and look at the court cases which the CAA has prosecuted. In the guise of fighting anti-Semitism, the CAA has managed to manoeuvre British society into abdicating its core liberal values, intimidate the prosecutorial and judicial system, and silence criticism of Israel in both social media and the mainstream media.

      The CAA does not just attempt to limit speech; it openly follows a scorched earth policy “that if someone commits an anti-Semitic act in the UK (including criticism of Israel)” the CAA “ensure[s] ruinous consequences, be they criminal, professional, financial or reputational”.

      For example, in the last 18 months Britain’s largest political party, the Labour Party, has suspended and expelled over a hundred of its members for expressing their views on Israel or Jewish history. Presumably these dismissals act as a deterrent to others who might also wish to express their opinions. Hard as it is to believe, in 21st century Britain people have been imprisoned for trying to be funny…

      The CAA’s “success” in Britain is not irrelevant to Americans. Despite the First Amendment, rules limiting speech have been creeping into our society, notwithstanding our constitutional protections." (Eve Mykytyn) http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49824.htm

  • The Gaza blockade is illegal-- and so is the use of force to maintain it
    • CATALAN- "You are seriously underestimating the power of BDS."

      Another smartass comment from Catalan. I think we all get that you are into ridicule, the question is why? Nothing better to occupy your time?

    • GEORGE SMITH- "...he contends that there’s an “overwhelming international consensus” that Israel has a right to exist (as a specifically Jewish state), effectively nullifying the right of return."

      You are putting words in Norman's mouth. The UN recognizes Israel as a legitimate state, but does not make that recognition contingent upon Israel being "Jewish." Neither does Norman. And nothing that the UN or Norman has said or done nullifies the right of return in principle. Practicality is another issue. The Great March of Return has a nice sound to it, however, the immediate concern was the blockade which has turned into a life and death issue. The situation isn't as dire on the West Bank which protested moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, but not any "right of return" protests. Unlike American liberals in their armchairs, Gazans don't have the luxury of endlessly debating one state versus two states or the sanctity of their legal right of return which they are powerless to enforce. The near term emphasis needs to be on lifting the Gaza blockade. Period.

    • NORMAN FINKELSTEIN- "Human Rights Watch (HRW) is among the leading guardians of human rights in the world."

      Utter nonsense. At this stage of the game, HRW is practically an appendage of the US government, high level executives former members of the Clinton administration. Currently, HRW is little more than a propaganda organization with strong links to the Democratic Party. HRW once performed some useful work primarily to establish credibility which they now exploit. And Sari Bashi is an Israeli Zionist Jew, hardly an unbiased source. HRW exists to control the limits of acceptable discussion and doesn't deserve to be promoted. Having relied upon them in the past, this puts you in a somewhat difficult position. That is life. And the notion that WESTERN NGOs should control the human rights narrative is yet another example of orientalism.

      To understand Gaza, one must appreciate that Israel wants to fob Gaza off onto Egypt to avoid the responsibility and expense. Instant ethnic cleansing. Make it unlivable then make Egypt responsible. Recent confirmation:

      "It is important to understand that the Sinai plan is not simply evidence of wishful thinking by an inexperienced or deluded Trump administration. All the signs are that it has enjoyed vigorous support from the Washington policy establishment for more than a decade.

      In fact, four years ago, when Barack Obama was firmly ensconced in the White House, Middle East Eye charted the course of attempts by Israel and the US to arm-twist a succession of Egyptian leaders into opening Sinai to Gaza’s Palestinians.

      This has been a key Israeli ambition since it pulled several thousand settlers out of Gaza in the so-called disengagement of 2005 and claimed afterwards – falsely – that the enclave’s occupation was over.

      Washington has reportedly been on board since 2007, when the Islamist faction Hamas took control of Gaza, ousting the Fatah movement of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. It was then that Israel, backed by the US, intensified a blockade that has destroyed Gaza’s economy and prevented key goods from entering.
      ....
      The advantages of the Sinai plan are self-evident to Israel and the US. It would:

      make permanent the territorial division between Gaza and the West Bank, and the ideological split between the rival factions of Fatah and Hamas;

      downgrade Gaza from a diplomatic issue to a humanitarian one;

      gradually lead to the establishment of a de facto Palestinian statelet in Sinai and Gaza, mostly outside the borders of historic Palestine;

      encourage the eventual settlement of potentially millions of Palestinian refugees in Egyptian territory, stripping them of their right in international law to return to their homes, now in Israel;

      weaken the claims of Abbas and his Palestinian Authority, located in the West Bank, to represent the Palestinian cause and undermine their moves to win recognition of statehood at the United Nations;

      and lift opprobrium from Israel by shifting responsibility for repressing Gaza’s Palestinians to Egypt and the wider Arab world." (Jonathan Cook) https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/07/sisi-holds-key-to-trumps-sinai-plan-for-palestinians/#more-81764

  • How can Bend the Arc claim to 'unite a progressive Jewish voice for justice for all' but ignore Israel?
    • Based upon the article, I suspect that "Bend the Arc" is a partisan organization aligned with the Democratic Party appealing to Jews who self-identify as "progressive." The Trump administration is part of the SYSTEM of elite control, current policies more-or-less a continuation of the Clinton/Bush/Obama policies. The struggle for power is becoming increasingly desperate as the system teeters on the brink.

  • Jewish allies must understand that solidarity entails a loss of privilege
    • CATALAN- "I am curious what your take on Chelmno is?"

      My "take" on your comment is that you apparently believe that the essence of Gentiles is eternal and irrational anti-Semitism. Although mass-murder has been the rule rather than the exception throughout history, the Holocaust was a historically unique manifestation of modern anti-Semitism and likely would not have occurred without World War II where well over 60 million people died.

      "Two central dogmas underpin the Holocaust framework: (1) The Holocaust marks a categorically unique historical event; (2) The Holocaust marks the climax of an irrational, eternal Gentile hatred of Jews. Neither of these dogmas figured at all in public discourse before the June 1967 war; and, although they became the centerpieces of Holocaust literature, neither figures at all in genuine scholarship on the Nazi holocaust....Previously, the Nazi Holocaust was "not cast as a uniquely Jewish -- let alone historically unique -- event. Organized American Jewry in particular was at pains to place it in a universalist context. After the June war, however, the Nazi Final Solution was radically reframed. "The first and most important claim that emerged from the 1967 war and became emblematic of American Judaism," Jacob Neusner recalls, was that "the Holocaust...was unique, without parallel in human history." (p42, "The Holocaust Industry," Norman Finkelstein) "The other central Zionist dogma deployed after 1967 was that "The Holocaust marks the climax of an irrational, eternal Gentile hatred of Jews." (p41, Finkelstein)

      For a detailed and excellent discussion of Jewish and non-Jewish relations, I highly recommend "Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years," by Israel Shahak.

    • ECHINOCOCCUS- "...the essence of the Arab."

      And in Zionist mythology, the "essence of the Gentile" is irrational and eternal anti-Semitism.

    • CITIZENC- "The focus of Palestine activists in the US should surely be the sources of US policy...."

      Absolutely true. The Zionists have always relied upon massive imperial support to achieve their objectives and Israel couldn't behave the way it does without ongoing imperial support. And, yes, a primary source of that support is a consequence of the conquest of American organized Jewry by Zionism, and in particular the support of the American Jewish Zionist elites who benefit from Jewish Zionism's kinship solidarity.

      Unfortunately, the empire itself has become significantly Zionized while the elites have increased their control over the entire global political economy such that there is little hope of defeating either Zionism or imperialism in the short term. We are at the end of the hydrocarbon era and the future looks sufficiently bleak that survival of the species is in doubt, the fate of Israel and the Palestinians of lesser concern. It will be interesting to see how Zionist kinship solidarity (Jewish peoplehood) plays out in a neofeudal society, one promoting ethnic conflict instead of multiculturalism. If we live to see it.

    • GEORGE SMITH- "So I guess we need to expel Sabeel from our ever-diminishing band of ideologically pure brothers and sisters, because they too root their moral commitment in their Christian religion/identity??"

      Sabeel promotes ethnic solidarity? Who knew?

  • Isaac Herzog won't apologize for saying intermarriage is a 'plague'
    • YONAH FREDMAN- "There will be fewer Jews 100 years from now...."

      Thanks to the law of supply and demand, that will make you more valuable. Your ship has come in! The Yonah Fredman futures market.

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  • UNRWA does not perpetuate the conflict, the conflict perpetuates UNRWA
    • MARILYN GARSON- "Gaza has not had a natural disaster. It is enduring a protracted blockade, repeated military assaults, economic and environmental collapse. It is a zone of manmade, escalating sacrifice."

      Gaza is an open air prison in which the prisoners serve for life. They have no independent economy or life. They serve as testing material for Israel's matrix of control, lab rats. They also serve as recipients of international aid funneled through Israel. It is a for profit prison.

      "In a study I conducted for the Palestinian organization Aid Watch in 2015, I observed the correlation between international aid, on the one hand, and the trade deficit in goods and services between the Palestinian and Israeli economies, on the other. The data for the study was from 2000-2013. I found that some 78 percent of aid to the Palestinians found its way to the Israeli economy. This is a rough estimate, to be sure. And we need to remember that this isn’t simply clean profit for Israel companies but revenue. The Israeli companies need to provide goods and services for the money and bear the costs of production." (Shir Hever) https://972mag.com/who-profits-from-keeping-gaza-on-the-brink-of-humanitarian-catastrophe/133549/

  • Riveting Thai cave story was missing one element -- Israel to the rescue!
    • RMBRAUN- "Like supplying food, water and electricity to Gaza while they’re shooting rockets into Israel. Damned those Israelis."

      It takes a truly sick mind to try to normalize the ongoing strangulation of the captive and defenseless population of Gaza, over half of which are children being slowly poisoned by the lack of clean water due to the immoral blockade used to punish them for voting the wrong way. Has your Zionist solidarity totally robbed you of any empathy for anyone not Jewish?

  • Wah!!! Dershowitz shunned on Martha's Vineyard!
    • DONALD JOHNSON- "...but pedophilia if acted upon is not his own business."

      I agree completely and am surprised at the comments suggesting that this is a private matter. Apparently some folks are unaware of the massive sex/slavery trade in the world today in which affluent males buy females who are virtual slaves to their pimps and brothels. Pedophilia almost always involves a powerful male abusing a weak female or sometimes male youth. These powerless kids are being abused and turning a blind eye is inexcusable. Furthermore, the treatment of the weak as chattel by the immoral powerful is endemic to the system. And economic coercion can be as effective as whips and chains. Engaging in pedophilia is an abuse of power. And if Dershowitz is guilty he should be held to account. And labeling pedophilia as a "sexual orientation" normalizes this type of behavior.

  • 'This is apartheid, there is no better word for it': Calls for boycott growing among mainstream Israelis
    • VQTILLEY- "Also, to Danaa: sweepingly negating the sense of ethnic community shared by Jews through the centuries really isn’t helpful, I don’t think."

      Wow! This is significant misrepresentation of reality. Prior to the rise of the modern nation-state and the Haskala, the Jewish community was united primarily religiously by what Israel Shahak refers to as Classical Judaism. They also performed a service role in medieval society and were separate from the surrounding Gentile community, usually by choice. Modernity and the Haskala changed all of that, not Danaa. Jews divided into Orthodox Jews, Conservative Jews, Reform Jews, and secular Jews and began the process of assimilation, welcomed by the majority of Jews at the time. The shared sense of community was broken by the forces of modernization. Zionism was a response to this breakup. An attempt to return to a unified Jewish community based upon a form of sacralized blood and soil nationalism. Danaa's comments are an attempt to discuss and analyze current reality and is essential to understanding both the Israeli political economy and the imperial political economy. And while Israeli Orthodoxy approaches the ideology of Classical Judaism, American Reform Judaism and secular "Jewishness" most assuredly do not. Nowadays, it is Zionism which unites the world's Jews, not some ageless ethnic community. Perhaps you should reread the article by Yossi Gurvitz. http://mondoweiss.net/2018/07/slouching-collapses-feminism/

  • US Jewish leader expresses compassion for refugees at US border-- and contempt for Palestinian refugees
    • PHIL- "The head of a leading American Jewish philanthropic organization...."

      Philanthropy is a much misunderstood and abused term. The harsh reality is that philanthropy is privatized social engineering. The Jewish Federations promote the communal interests of Jews and is a part of a power-seeking collective. It is the antithesis of universalism and multiculturalism.

      PHIL- "The hypocritical position is of course typical of the U.S. Jewish establishment, which is progressive on issues non-Palestinian."

      I fail to see how this guy or practically any major "liberal" official is progressive on much of anything. Ignoring empire and neoliberal globalization and its impact on CREATING massive refugeeism is not progressive. Whining about various aspects of systemic injustice while basically ignoring the system which inevitably creates these injustices is not progressive, except as an attractive and misleading label. Besides, most of this organized support for refugees is mostly an attack on Trump by Democratic loyalists, Obama got a free pass for his policies.

      "The protests against immigration policies in the Trump-era are different than protests against abusive immigration policies in the Obama-era. There were mass protests against Obama’s immigration policies, which led to deportations at levels that Trump has still not approached, but in the Obama-era, the protests were organized and led primarily by immigrants. In the Trump era, there are protests by immigrants, especially around protecting the Dreamers, but they are also being organized by non-immigrant protesters with a focus against President Trump. These protests began almost immediately with the election of Trump and focused on his policies of stopping immigration at airports, Trump’s Muslim ban." (Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers) https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/07/nationwide-protests-pro-immigrant-or-anti-trump/#more-81602

  • Slouching toward Gilead (or how Zionism collapses into anti-feminism)
    • YOSSI GURVITZ- "This takes us back to the 18th century, when Jews were finally allowed out of the ghetto – often, a self-imposed one. Europe’s Jewry underwent a great and shocking awakening. Great number of Jews found out that, when it comes to it, Judaism had nothing left to offer them; they went to other places, and often fertilized them."

      This statement is consistent with the analysis of both Israeli radical dissident Israel Shahak and American Zionist theologian Jacob Neusner.

      YOSSI GURVITZ- "Haskala gave birth to Zionism."

      Curious phraseology. Zionism was/is a retrograde reaction to the Haskala, an attempt to recreate the conditions of Jewish tribal unity based upon the secular ideology of blood and soil nationalism laced with Judaic symbolism and biblical rationalizations. "Gave birth" implies that Zionism flows from the Haskala not that it is an attempt to undo the Haskala and assimilation. Why else claim that "assimilation is a holocaust"?

      YOSSI GURVITZ- " For 70 years, since the founding of the state, after incessant speeches about a “Jewish state”, the Zionist failed in finding a positive meaning to the word “Jewish.”

      Israeli Zionists perhaps, however, American Jewish Zionists have incorporated Zionism into their Judaism, substituting a form of sacralized secularism for strictly religious mythology. The Holocaust represents death and hopelessness, Israel represents redemption and Jewish power. Not Judaic power, but Jewish power based upon Jewish kinship.

      YOSSI GURVITZ- "The Zionist and the Orthodox arcs are destined to merge, and Zionism will be swallowed by Orthodoxy."

      In Israel perhaps, however, in the US, Judaism has already been Zionized.

      Interesting article with much to discuss.

    • YOSSI GURVITZ- "In the last few years, Israel suffered from a plague of exclusion of women. Actions that were once taken for granted, like women singing in public, became controversial."

      Do American Jews understand or want to understand that Zionism is a throwback to medieval Judaism in secular form? Bigoted kinship? A quote and a link.

      "In the last week, there have been two incidents of women relenting to pressure from airlines to give up their seats to accommodate Orthodox Jewish bigots who refused to be seated next to them. This should be as unacceptable as Klansmen asking blacks to change seats.

      And let us stress that the ugliest feature of these events was that each airline, the first El Al, the second, Austrian Airlines, enabled the Orthodox Jews (specifically, Haredi) in their illegal demands. As we’ll explain, the airlines had the ability under the terms of their legal agreements (their passenger contracts of carriage) to do the the right thing, which was to insist that the bigots sit in their assigned seats or leave the plane, and if they didn’t, to have them hauled off by airport security guards." (Yves Smith) https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/07/women-and-men-of-the-world-unite-how-to-stand-up-to-extremist-orthodox-jews-who-demand-you-give-up-your-airline-seat.html

  • Birthright walkout is met with vitriolic rage in Israel -- 'Radicals' 'You will get raped'
    • ECHIN0C0CCUS- "But “violent rage”?"

      I agree. Phil is, once again, making a mountain out of a mole hill. The guide was upset that this Jewish American Princess was interfering with his packaged tour in an effort to have her cake and eat it too. Her "Jewish" values? One can only assume that Judeocentrism is the primary value of those who seek the kinship of a powerful group while protesting the inevitable consequences of a tribal perspective. So, she has her video of her self-cleansing "protest" to secure her bona fides in her specific Jewish niche group. Courage? Give me a break!

  • Liberal Zionists say that Israel and the U.S. are in the same struggle against rightwing forces
    • PHIL- "A liberal Zionist leader is touring these days with a talk on the “Shared Struggle” faced by progressives in Israel and America."

      The "Shared Struggle" is that of "liberal" American Zionist imperialists versus faux populist American Zionist imperialists over who gets the power to screw the American people in service to the global elites. All of the rhetoric nothing more than propaganda. None of these people are to be believed or trusted. It is all about power.

  • It's time for Tom Friedman to face the contradictions of liberal Zionism, and move on
    • DAVID GREEN- "It’s the author of this piece that needs a “paradigm shift” in order to understand what worlds the U.S. elites, Trump, and Netanyahu are living in."

      Yes, and that Thomas Friedman is a member of the imperial elite engaged in perception management, not in providing insightful information to his readership. I suspect, however, that the author is aware of this but is a member of the loyal opposition who attacks the symptoms while supporting the systemic disease.

  • One Democratic State: an ongoing debate
    • VQTILLEY- " Are you saying that the entire South Africa transition is a failure ...."

      The South African elimination of political apartheid has, in fact, been mostly a failure due to the failure to seize control of the entire political economy. Whether that was even possible is debatable, however, exchanging white compradors and satraps for black compradors and satraps accomplished little except to provide a veneer of legitimacy to corporate/oligarchic control. Western "democracy" is, in fact, capitalist democracy where one dollar equals one vote. Elections have little impact on governmental policy and serve primarily to legitimize a corrupt system. The majority of South African blacks are still getting screwed by the oligarchs and corporations. A quote and link for you.

      “South Africa’s democratization was profoundly compromised by an intra-elite economic deal that, for most people, worsened poverty, unemployment, inequality and ecological degradation, while also exacerbating many racial, gender and geographical differences.”

      “As a result, according to even the government’s own statistics, average black African household income fell 19 percent from 1995–2000 (to $3,714 per year), while white household income rose 15 percent (to $22,600 per year). Not just relative but absolute poverty intensified, as the portion of households earning less than $90 of real income increased from 20 percent of the population in 1995 to 28 percent in 2000.” (Patrick Bond)
      http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/12/06/the-mandela-years-in-power/

  • Democrats are losing their fear of AIPAC and Haim Saban
    • PHIL- "So I’ll say it again. Things are stirring on the Democratic left."

      You can be so funny at times. The only reason that things are "stirring" on the Democratic left is because of the bromance between Trump and Netanyahu. If Hillary Clinton was President, the US would support Israel on Gaza and the "Democratic left" would be sitting on their hands, and that includes Bernie Sanders. Bernie is in full sheep dog mode in preparation for the midterm elections. Bernie is the tired old bone the Dems are throwing to the delusional Democratic left. So Bernie gets a pass to run off at the mouth, send a letter, and pretend to defy Haim Saban. In other words business as usual. Hey, you are not alone. Norman Finkelstein is such a Bernie groupie it is embarrassing.

  • Roger Waters plays Munich despite mayor's effort to stop concert over his support for BDS
    • "Munich passed a law last year that prohibits the use of public facilities to persons who support the BDS movement."

      And what does this say about the current extraordinary level of Jewish Zionist power?

  • Mr. Lansman comes to Tel Aviv: Jeremy Corbyn's senior ally wants to restrict free speech on Israel
    • SIBIRIAK- "Interesting article on the neoliberal “globalizing Left” , and new split within Die Linke:"

      Interesting indeed, thanks. I just realized that I have confused Die Linke (the left?) with Die Grunen (the greens?), now merged into Alliance 90. So, I take back what I said about Die Linke (kind of). Ultimately, all progressive groups eventually become co-opted in capitalism, a consequence of money as power.

      As for immigration policy, the only sane way to control immigration is to end militarism and neoliberal globalization. After all, these people didn't want to flee their homes. Also, it seems obvious to me that this refugee problem is at least in part an intentional effort by the US to weaken the EU by swamping it with refugees which will strain resources and promote social conflict. Divide and control. Hardly a surprise that currency speculator George Soros is involved in promoting unfettered financial flows and social control.

      A sustainable society absolutely must maximize local autonomy. A globalized economy is an energy intensive economy which is unsustainable. Period. An interdepedent economy controlled by finance waiting to collapse. Unfortunately, we have already gone way too far in that direction. Between now and 2025 will come a period of reckoning. The signs are all around us for those who choose to look.

    • OFER NEIMAN- "One would expect Momentum to consistently stand up to the Israel lobby, support free speech on Zionism and Israel’s occupation and apartheid, and stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people."

      One would have to be very naive to expect an organization formed and funded by a Jewish Zionist to do any of those things. Realistically, this puts Corbyn between a rock and a hard place. He can stand on principal and get crushed (don't hold your breath), or he can accommodate the Zionist juggernaut and maybe survive. The UK is more-or-less a vassal of the Zionist permeated empire. Look at their actions in regard to Julian Assange.

      OFER NEIMAN- "Die Linke campaigns strongly for socialist and left-wing causes within Germany, but has shed any leftist pretensions on Israel."

      Die Linke supports NATO, military (humanitarian) interventions, and neoliberalism. It long ago abandoned any pretense of progressivism, although old labels die hard as with the militarist, neoliberal Democrats.

  • US leaves UN Human Rights Council, a 'cesspool' of bias against Israel
    • LONELY RICO- "Haley and Pompeo should be commended for removing one of the leading human rights abusers from the council,
      the USA."

      You got that right! Additionally, the UK has threatened to also leave in 6 months if the human rights council doesn't stop "bashing" Israel. Think of it. Arguably the two imperial nations responsible for the greatest amount of mass murder (including starvation) of Third World Peoples accusing the council of hypocrisy. I used to think that Samantha Power was as bad as possible, however, Nikki Haley may be even worse, something I once thought impossible.

  • Mal Hyman's outspokenness on Gaza massacre is a sign of things to come in Democratic races
    • MOOSER- "So how can you possibly say that Zionist Jews in the US haven’t assimilated? Sure seems like they got right in the swing of things after WW2."

      Their success was facilitated by NOT fully assimilating. Kinship solidarity and de facto nepotism focused on obtaining power to support Israel. You think AIPAC was formed to promote American values? Struggling for power vis-a-vis non-Jews is hardly an indication of assimilation. But I take your point that struggling for power is as American as apple pie, and that after WW2 Zionist Jews were in an enhanced position to do so.

    • PHIL- “What Israel is doing…. is colonialism and it infuriates and humiliates Palestinians and it will never be a path to peace,” he says."

      True enough, but to ignore US imperialism is to ignore the larger problem as well as to pretend that Israel's behavior deviates from the imperial agenda. Remember, the imperial agenda advances the perceived interests of the imperial elites of which Jewish Zionists are a very significant element. Israel is now an integral part of empire and the imperial power structure has to a significant degree been Zionized. Ignoring empire and militarism may benefit Hyman politically, but it will achieve nothing of substance. The empire is on a rampage and isn't taking prisoners.

  • Organizer of the Great March of Return says protests in Gaza 'must go on'
    • BORIS- "It will take some time – maybe a hundred years or more – but Palestinians will learn how to peacefully co-exist with Israel."

      It is Israel and the Zionists who don't want peaceful coexistence. That is the lesson of the Nakba and all of the premeditated massacres. That is the lesson of Deir Yassin which was targeted specifically because they reached an accommodation with their Zionist neighbors. They were made an example of how no Palestinians were safe from murder. That is the lesson of the murder of those Palestinians who dared to return to their homes following the end of fighting. Zionist Israel doesn't want coexistence and has acted accordingly.

  • If I had to live in Israel again, 'it would actually drive me insane' -- Shaul Magid
    • DANAA- "Something like “Werdine” comes to mind, now that I think of it."

      Link To Robert Werdine's commenter profile: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/robert-werdine/1/

    • MOOSER- "Amazing, the capacities we Jews have, for physical, financial and legal closeness while remaining “psychologically apart”.

      I am not referring to a marriage, nor to a completely assimilated Jew who considers Judaism just another religion. I am referring to a Zionist Jew who truly believes that all (most?) Gentiles are intrinsically anti-Semitic. One who joins Jewish organizations, sends their kids to Jewish schools and Jewish summer camps, and associates primarily with other Jews. Formal financial, legal and other business dealings hardly infer "closeness." In medieval Europe, Jews had to superficially interact with the surrounding Gentile community to fulfill their service Nomad function (Yuri Slezkine). An interesting question is why a supposedly assimilated guy like you takes such umbrage at virtually any discussion of the dynamics of Jewish success and power. Are you implying that kinship doesn't exist? Or that ideologically constructing group cohesiveness requires some extraordinary capacity too exotic to contemplate? Jewish Zionism is quite real and a primary reason for American support for Israel, certainly a valid topic for Mondoweiss. My impression is that most of the Jewish Mondoweiss commenters, and virtually all of the Zionist commenters, consider "Jewishness" to be something other than belief in the Judaic religion. No?

    • PHIL- "Neusner is a very conservative guy, and his social formulations are not ones many Jews heed"

      Interesting comment. Proof by labeling? (a very conservative guy) I am not sure what you are referring to in regards to unpopular social formulations. His analysis of Zionism and its relation to Judaism is consistent with and lends support to Israel Shahak's analysis. Norman Finkelstein quotes him in "The Holocaust Industry." Since he is a Zionist, there is a lot I disagree with. Yet, I also find much insight in his book in regards to Judaism and Zionism. I would also point out that at the time of publication, Neusner was University Professor and Ungerlieder Distinguished Scholar of Judaic Studies at Brown University. So yes, I recommend "Stranger at Home" (along with "Jewish History, Jewish Religion").

    • MOOSER- "The way I see it, assimilation was extended to us, signed sealed and delivered (no postage due) at Rhode Island."

      Assimilation is a two-way street. While equal rights and the opportunity to assimilate may have been extended, The Zionists reject assimilation. Israeli Zionists have embraced apartheid, American Zionists have embraced kinship peoplehood. A Jacob Neuser quote for you followed by a comment. Notice how Neusner differentiates between "Jewry" and "Jews," the collective versus the individual. And just as I continue to recommend "Jewish History, Jewish Religion" by Israel Shahak, I also recommend "Stranger at Home" by Jacob Neusner. He is a Zionist with an interesting perspective.

      "In so far as this Jewish liberalism was nonsectarian and hostile to the things that concern Jews as Jews - as in those Jewish welfare federations which articulately state their purpose as humanitarian to the exclusion of Judaism - Zionism has rejected that liberalism. It has done so because of its critical view of the Emancipation. Unlike the Jewish liberals, Zionism saw the Emancipation as a problem, not a solution. It was dubious of its promises and aware of its hypocrisies. It saw Emancipation as a threat to Jewry and in slight measure a benefit for Jews. The Jews' problem was that Emancipation represented dejudaization." (p199, "Stranger at Home: "The Holocaust," Zionism, and American Judaism," Jacob Neusner)

      Please note that what Neusner is saying is that the Emancipation threatened the people apart, sectarian nature of Classical Judaism. Zionism is intended to return to the people apart mode (sectarian) of Classical Judaism through a reworking of the classical myths into a nationalistic support for Israel with all that entails.

    • ANNIE/ELJAY- (Magid quote)- "… I think Jews have learned successfully to be in America as Jews."

      An honest interpretation of what he is really saying is that Zionist Jews have learned how to maintain a discreet psychological separation from non-Jews in our inclusive (at least in theory) multicultural society. They have largely avoided assimilation and maintained a strong Jewish identity, usually manifested in strong solidarity with Israel and their fellow Jews.

    • ANNIE- "why? because they want the next generations to keep funding israel. because israel would have a very hard time existing without support from the US and it’s the american zionist lobbies guarantee that support."

      Yes, but why is support for Israel in spite of its actions so important to American Zionist Jews? Prior to World War II and the Holocaust, Zionism was relatively unpopular with the majority of Jews. They desired assimilation, not the return to the mythical sacred soil of the Holy Land. Hell, even after the war, most of the Jewish DPs wanted to go to the Western Democracies rather than Israel and had to be coerced into going. Not all, but most.

      It seems to me that Zionism has created a psychological unifier to recreate the analog to medieval Judaism in secular form. This unique sense of a kinship community in the midst of a multicultural society has provided organizational solidarity and power-seeking purpose which has served the Jewish Zionist elites very well and the entire community generally well. Shaul Magid appears to be attempting to disentangle American Jewish Zionism from Israeli Jewish Zionism, or at least thinking about it. Phil says that most of the panelists wanted a renewal of support for Israel.

      The point being that they are talking about a manufactured sense of Jewish peoplehood as a people apart in the midst of an inclusive multicultural society. Not physically apart as in medieval times, but psychologically apart. That is the meaning of his referral to "a full Jewish life." Jewishness not defined by the Judaic religion. Jewishness as distinct and apart from non-Jewishness. Formerly, the Judaic religion provided the ideological basis for this, but no longer. Now it is Zionism. I don't know to what degree Shaul Magid is aware of the power dynamics involved in advocating Zionist defined Jewishness, but he is advocating for that with or without Israel as the symbolic redemption from the Holocaust.

    • STEPHEN SHENFIELD- "Don’t go overboard. He’s still trying to “recalibrate” Zionism — not fight it."

      I agree. And a very interesting question is why? All of this talk about Israel and the Diaspora eventually boils down to how to maintain internal Jewish kinship solidarity. Why else? The essence of Zionism for the Zionist Diaspora is the re-creation of Jewish tribal bonds after Judaism splintered and could no longer perform that function. It is a rejection of full multicultural assimilation in favor of an ideologically unified people. In Zionist mythology, the Holocaust represents death and destruction, Israel redemption and safety. And Jewish/Zionist solidarity has been very successful for the Jewish/Zionist elites.

  • At our 50th year Israel reunion, I had three minutes to tell my story
    • MENUCHA SARA....- "Why do they continue to conflate Judaism with Zionism?"

      Perhaps it is because American Judaism and American Zionism have merged to become a new phase of Judaism? A couple of quotes from Zionist theologian Jacob Neusner, followed by a concluding comment.

      "Just as the Judaic tradition had formerly told Jews what it meant to be Jewish - had supplied them with a considerable definition of their identity - so does Zionism in the modern age. Jews who lost hold of the mythic structure of the past were given a grasp on a new myth, one composed of the structural remnants of the old one." (p176, "Stranger at Home: "The Holocaust", Zionism, and American Judaism," Jacob Neusner)

      "Zionism provides a reconstruction of Jewish identity, for it reaffirms the nationhood of Israel in the face of the disintegration of the religious bases of Jewish peoplehood." (p196, Neusner)

      "...in fact the redemptive valence imputed to the State of Israel in American Judaism constitutes a judgment of Zionism. American Judaism must be deemed a wholly Zionist Judaism." (p8, Neusner)

      All of this confirms my contention that the success of Zionism in becoming an integral expression of American Judaic thought and action indicates that American Judaism (Reform, Conservative, and Orthodox) can now be described as Judeo-Zionism, non-Zionist Judaism outside the mainstream.

  • You can no more be a socialist Zionist than you can be a meat-eating vegan
    • TONY GREENSTEIN- "The appeal of Zionism to the European ruling class was that it diverted the Jews away from socialism and communism."

      Yes, yes, and yes! Additionally, Zionism relying upon the blood and soil nationalist formula, lent itself to the emerging de facto fascism utilized by the Western powers to manage their economies. The organizational essence of fascism is the control of the economy through the military and militarism, military spending providing both the stimulus and direction to private industry, particularly the funding of R&D by the Pentagon.

      On the other hand, your attempt to define Socialism lacks organizational meaning and amounts to little more than labeling. Society is not organized around "class," which is little more than a statistical construct. Adding "of the proletariat" doesn't significantly change the nature of a dictatorship, and an elite is still an elite even when described as a "vanguard." And a progressive isn't really a progressive if he/she harkens back to mid nineteenth century Marxism as revealed truth. Marxism is a throwback to ideologically organized power structures which cannot compete with financially organized societies. Capitalism's dynamic nature arises from the fact that capitalism monetized power. Any social improvement needs to deal with this reality by replacing private debt money banks with a public sovereign money financial system and by dramatically ameliorating our current concentration of money power in the hands of oligarchs and corporations. Trying to promote "class solidarity" is a waste of time and probably counterproductive.

      For those interested, I link to a video of a 26 min interview of Norman Finkelstein by Chris Hedges on unlivable Gaza. https://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2018/06/16/chris-hedges-and-norman-finkelstein-life-in-unlivable-gaza/#more-195930

  • The dangers of conflating anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism
    • DONNA NEVEL- “She also makes claims that opposing the inclusion of Zionism in social justice movements means the exclusion of Jews.”

      It takes an unusual mind to describe Zionism as a social justice movement.

  • Israeli army arrest Hebron band over 'incitement' music
    • MISTERIOSO- " Hitler strictly prohibited American jazz from being performed in Germany."

      Jeez, how would he have reacted to rap?

  • The Knesset officially declares that Israeli democracy is for Jews only
    • MISTERIOSO- (Newsweek Quote)- "The situation is so dire that a 2013 survey by the financial newspaper Calcalist (the most recent Israeli study conducted on this topic) found that 87 percent of adults— many with children of their own—depend on substantial financial support from their parents.”

      Yes, but I bet that the Israeli 1% is doing just great! Talk about shared values!

  • Knesset foils efforts to end Israeli apartheid
    • LENNY- ".I take it that you speak for all palestinians when you state."

      My conclusion is based upon decades of real history. Israel's behavior has been deplorable and extraordinarily egregious with the continued murder of thousands of Palestinians in the illegally blockaded open air prison called Gaza, now deemed unlivable by the UN. So no, I can't imagine the Palestinians behaving as sadistically toward Jews as Zionist Jews behaved behaved toward them. If pre-Zionist Palestine is any indication, non-Zionist Jews living among Palestinians would have been treated quite well, as they were before the Zionists came with their terror and ethnic cleansing. As I said, Zionists (I assume you?) need to grow a conscience and stop treating non-Jews as sub-human expendables to be murdered and starved at Israel's whim. Have the Palestinians no right to security? Check the body count to see who is being killed and who is doing the killing. Or has your Zionist solidarity overwhelmed any semblance of human decency?

    • LENNY- "...Hussein quoted a hadith....

      You can take your alleged quote and stick it where the sun don't shine. Jews were treated relatively well in the Muslim Middle East until the Zionists arrived and began terrorizing the natives. For a long time, and particularly recently, it is primarily the Jewish Israelis who have done the killing and primarily the Palestinians and other Arabs who have done the bleeding. And you have the f*****g gall to ask "what place would jews have in a Palestinian state. One would hope that it would be significantly better than what the Palestinians have in a Jewish state and Jewish occupied territories. This, in spite of the animosity which surely accrued to Israeli actions. But since Zionist Israel is adamantly opposed to a Palestinian state, that isn't going to happen, hence, Israel needs to stop the Gaza slaughter and end the blockade. And Zionist Jews need to grow a conscience.

  • Israeli drones drop Ramadan blessings leaflet on Gaza-- before four more are killed
    • FOLKS- When I read the headline for this article, I was reminded of something most Americans are unaware of. At the end of World War II, after the Japanese had unconditionally surrendered but before the US Congress accepted their surrender, the US Air Force launched a 1000-plane bombing of Japanese cities to demonstrate their logistical prowess. They also dropped leaflets.

      "No one considers an apology for the 1000-plane raid five days after Nagasaki on what remained of major Japanese cities, a triumph of military management skills designed to be "as big a finale as possible," the official Air Force history relates.... Thousands of civilians were killed while amidst the bombs, leaflets fluttered down proclaiming: "Your government has surrendered. The war is over." (p238, "Year 501: The Conquest Continues," Noam Chomsky)

  • Literary hero Yossi Klein Halevi says anti-Zionist Jews aren't Jewish
    • NAFTUSH- " And neither they nor the kahal nor anyone else administered anything approaching capital punishment."

      Some real history for you:

      "Since the time of the late Roman Empire, Jewish communities had considerable legal powers over their members. Not only powers which arise through voluntary mobilization of social pressure (for example refusal to have any dealing whatsoever with an excommunicated Jew or even to bury his body), but a power of naked coercion: to flog, to imprison, to expel - all this could be inflicted quite legally on an individual Jew by the rabbinical courts for all kinds of offenses. In many countries - Spain and Poland are notable examples - even capital punishment could be and was inflicted, sometimes using particularly cruel methods such as flogging to death. All this was not only permitted but positively encouraged by the state authorities in both Christian and Muslim countries, who besides their general interest in preserving 'law and order' had in some cases a more direct financial interest as well.
      ....
      This was the most important social fact of Jewish existence before the advent of the modern state: observance of the religious laws of Judaism, as well as their inculcation through education, were enforced on Jews by physical coercion, from which one could only escape by conversion to the religion of the majority, amounting in the circumstances to a total social break and for that reason very impracticable, except during a religious crisis."
      (p14, 15, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years," Israel Shahak)

      NAFTUSH- " If your source is Shahak, then join the many who repudiate him from A to Z...."

      Shahak is your moral and intellectual superior, frequently quoted by people such as Noam Chomsky. Two quotes for you.

      "Fortunately, the voice of reason is alive and well, and in Israel, of all places. From Jerusalem, Israel Shahak never ceases to analyze not only the dismal politics of Israel today but the Talmud itself, and the effect of the entire rabbinical tradition on a small state that the right-wing rabbinate means to turn into a theocracy for Jews only....

      Needless to say, Israel's authorities deplore Shahak.....Those who heed him will certainly be wiser and - dare I say it? - better. He is the latest, if not the last, of the great prophets." (Gore Vidal)

      "Shahak is a very brave man who should be honored for his service to humanity. But in today's world the example of indefatigable work, unrelenting moral energy, and intellectual brilliance that he has set are an embarrassment to the status quo, and to everyone for whom the word 'controversial' means 'unwelcome' and 'unsettling'." (Edward Said)

    • NAFTUSH- " That most American Jews repudiate most of these attributes and swap them for American ones is sort of like a whale insisting that it’s a mouse."

      Got a list of these "Jewish" attributes? And what would you call a Gentile who established a list of "Jewish" attributes?

      Of course, you are probably referring to the repudiation of tribalism and the adoption of universal concepts of justice. Another quote from Jacob Neusner, a Zionist you might enjoy reading and which I highly recommend.

      "In so far as this Jewish liberalism was nonsectarian and hostile to the things that concern Jews as Jews - as in those Jewish welfare federations which articulately state their purpose as humanitarian to the exclusion of Judaism - Zionism has rejected that liberalism. It has done so because of its critical view of the Emancipation. Unlike the Jewish liberals, Zionism saw the Emancipation as a problem, not a solution. It was dubious of its promises and aware of its hypocrisies. It saw Emancipation as a threat to Jewry and in slight measure a benefit for Jews. The Jews' problem was that Emancipation represented dejudaization." (p199, "Stranger at Home: "The Holocaust," Zionism, and American Judaism," Jacob Neusner)

      Please note that what Neusner is saying is that the Emancipation threatened the people apart, sectarian nature of Classical Judaism. Zionism is intended to return to the people apart mode (sectarian) of Classical Judaism through a reworking of the classical myths into a nationalistic support for Israel with all that entails.

    • NAFTUSH- "Where the idea of Jewishness as tribalism does strike a positive chord in the U.S....."

      There is a slightly different dynamic at play within American Jewry versus Israeli Jewry, however, the strong focus on internal "Jewish" solidarity is consistent with a tribal orientation, particularly in Israel which exhibits a form of apartheid. In the US, Zionist Jews separate themselves from non-Jews psychologically even as they physically intermingle. Another quote followed by a few comments.

      "Indeed, outside of that society Jewish consciousness becomes most intense. Among Jews one is a human being, with peculiarities and virtues of one's own. Among gentiles he is a Jew, with traits common to the group he rejects. That is probably why Jews still live mostly in Jewish neighborhoods and associate, outside of economic life, mostly with other Jews, whether or not these associations exhibit traits supposed to be Jewish. And when the crisis comes, as it frequently does, then no one doubts that he or she shares a common cause, a common fate, with other Jews. Then it is hardest to isolate oneself from Jews, because only among Jewry are these intense concerns shared." (p195, "Stranger at Home: "The Holocaust," Zionism, and American Judaism," Jacob Neusner)

      Please note the projection of Neusner. He attributes to all non-Jews the intrinsic trait of viewing Jews as stereotypes. He also implies that anti-Semitism inevitably produces a "crisis" for Jews who share a common fate with other Jews. Intrinsic to Zionism is that one is born a Jew and cannot escape one's fate due to eternal and irrational Gentile anti-Semitism. Intrinsic to Zionism is the cultivated sense of felt victimhood, honest analysis of empirical reality avoided. Gilded victimhood. If Herzl was the father of Zionism, then Hitler was the mid-wife who helped birth the Jewish state. Without the Nazi Holocaust, it is unlikely that Israel as a Jewish state would have come into being, something the pre-war Zionists were very aware of. No? A final quote.

      "When they come to us with two plans--the rescue of the masses of Jews in Europe or the redemption of the land--I vote, without a second thought, for the redemption of the land. The more said about the slaughter of our people, the greater the minimization of our efforts to strengthen and promote the Hebraisation of the land." (quoting Zionist official Yitzhak Gruenbaum, p51, "The Hidden History of Zionism," Ralph Schoenman)

    • MAGHLAWATAN- "Organisations with zero toleration fror dissent , constructive criticism or new ideas do not survive"

      Specifying a "zero" toleration for dissent is stacking the deck, isn't it? Most organizations rely upon adherence to official mythology to achieve internal solidarity among its members, with dissent, etc, primarily tolerated among the elites who establish and enforce organizational direction. In the past, monarchy existed for millennium based upon the lie that the monarch ruled by divine right, atheism tantamount to treason. Nowadays, we have a more dynamic environment where rapid change requires greater tolerance for dissent, however, let us not exaggerate the extent to which rival ideologies and narratives are tolerated. We live in violent times, the power dynamics of the capitalist political economy greatly misrepresented, our current global empire not discussed except at the margins or among the elites. Our society is shaped by myths, myth-history, and other misrepresentations of reality. To what degree humans are even capable of dealing with the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is debatable. It may well be that bullshit is the magic ingredient that allows societies to function at all. A quote for you.

      “We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them. If we do, we will see a world that is rather different from the one presented to us by a remarkably effective ideological system, a world that is much uglier, often horrifying.” (Noam Chomsky)

    • ROHA- "Ask Benedict Spinoza."

      Yes, and Spinoza lived in a relatively cosmopolitan environment.

    • MAGHLAWATAN- "How did Judaism historically deal with dissent ?"

      Harshly, as did Christianity prior to modernity. During the period of Classical (medieval) Judaism, the Jewish community usually had considerable autonomy within the surrounding Gentile communities. The Head Rabbi called the shots, collected taxes and administered discipline including capital punishment. Prior to the separation of church and state, religion was no joke, blasphemy a serious crime. Also, most of the time, atheism was not an option. A book I continue to recommend is "Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The weight of Three Thousand Years" by Israel Shahak.

    • YOSSI KLEIN HALEVI- "In recent years, there have been renewed attempts, especially on the fringes of the Diaspora left, to create a Jewish identity severed from Israel."

      Not at the New York Times! Those folks are steadfast and loyal to Israel.

      Theologian Jacob Neusner also contends that support for Israel is the basis for a Zionist restructured Judaism. "Just as the Judaic tradition had formerly told Jews what it meant to be Jewish - had supplied them with a considerable definition of their identity - so does Zionism in the modern age. Jews who lost hold of the mythic structures of the past were given a grasp on a new myth, one composed of the restructured remnants of the old one." (p176, "Stranger at Home: "The Holocaust," Zionism, and American Judaism," Jacob Neusner)

      Neusner's description of a reinvigorated, Zionized Judaism is entirely consistent with Israel Shahak's contention that Zionism was a retreat to Classical (medieval) Judaism in secular form. In short, Zionism has provided a new basis for Jewish tribalism in a multicultural world. Jewish "peoplehood" used to be understood as a religion based solidarity. Now, it is based upon Zionist solidarity. Both Classical Judaism and Zionism see Jews as a people apart. Israel represents the physical separation of Jews from non-Jews, the Diaspora entails a psychological separation from non-Jews who are seen as intrinsically anti-Semitic. Full assimilation represents dejudaization, the reduction of Judaism to the status of just another religion rather than the basis of birthright solidarity and kinship. The perception of a shared common fate looms large along with an exaggerated sense of ongoing victimhood not supported by empirical reality.

  • 'New York Times' teams up with Israel to smear slain medic Razzan al-Najjar as 'complex,' not innocent
    • DJ/JN/PW- "There is no debate. Israel has lied about the al-Najjar case repeatedly."

      Over at CounterPunch, there is a review of the Liberty attack, following which Israel claimed that the Liberty was to blame.

      "Predictably, Israel’s first response was to blame the victim, a tactic that has served them so well in the Palestinian situation....“The Liberty contributed decisively toward its identification as an enemy ship,” the IDF report concluded." (Jeffrey St. Clair)

      Israel traditionally relies upon lies and deceptions to achieve its objectives. To point this out opens one to charges of anti-Semitism. To point out the pro-Israel bias of the Times Zionist reporters and editors also opens one to charges of anti-Semitism. America's newspaper of record should move its offices to Tel Aviv or Jerusalem and be done with it.

  • 'Israel has no choice' -- 'NY Times' columnists largely line up behind Gaza massacre
    • SIBIRIAK- "What about Yemen?"

      The empire is going to bomb them, starve them and use de facto germ warfare to kill as many as possible.

      "A military coalition formally led by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, and supported by the United States and Britain, bombed a newly constructed cholera treatment in Yemen on Monday, June 11.

      This attack comes after Yemen, the poorest country in the Middle East, suffered through the worst cholera outbreak in recorded history, with more than 1 million cases reported in 2017 alone.

      The cholera treatment center was operated by the humanitarian organization Doctors Without Borders (known in French as Médecins Sans Frontières, or MSF). It was located in Yemen’s northwestern Hajjah Governorate, an area that has been heavily bombarded by Saudi Arabia for more than 3 years.

      MSF said in a statement that the cholera treatment center had markings on the roof that clearly identified it as a healthcare facility. It added that the center has been destroyed and is now completely non-functional." (Ben Norton) https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-backed-coalition-bombs-yemens-new-cholera-treatment-center-after-unleashing-worlds-largest-outbreak/5644018

    • SIBIRIAK- "18.4 million facing death by starvation! Where’s the response to this impending genocide?"

      The empire is on a rampage and mass-murder is being normalized. We are at the end of the hydrocarbon era, a neofeudal rentier economy on the horizon. We are facing an ecological/ agricultural meltdown, and we have an unsustainably large population. There are a lot of people that have got to be eliminated. Created famines are a cost effective way of eliminating people. We are on the threshold of truly dark times, the architects of policy psychopaths.

      "If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now." (Richard Perle) https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/richard_perle_183952i

    • PHIL- (Bari Weiss quote)- "The press coverage was a major success in a war whose battlefield isn’t really Gaza, but the brains of foreign audiences.”

      It is surely relevant that Israel is an integral part of empire which is at war with the entire Third World. When they talked about the "Long War" they weren't joking. As such, the media falls in line defending imperial aggression. Yes, the siege of Gaza is an imperial siege, the violence imperial violence. We are at the end of the industrial/consumerist era of capitalism, and empire is restructuring the global political economy via neoliberal globalization. All obstacles to these plans are under attack. The empire isn't going to compromise or take prisoners of those it can kill. Things are bad and going to get worse. Hegemony or death. And should we escape nuclear war, environmental collapse looms. The New York Times is the official paper of Israel and empire and we are receiving war-time propaganda. Expect nothing else. And speaking of news going under-reported, Yemen is undergoing mass-murder by starvation, with imperial approval and complicity.

      "Mark Lowcock, the UN’s emergency relief coordinator, expressed his concern regarding the “recent decline of commercial food imports through the Red Sea ports” — adding that, if conditions do not improve, the number of Yemenis at the brink of starvation would rise from the current figure of 8.4 million to 18.4 million by this December. Given that there are approximately 28 million people in Yemen, a continuation of the Saudi-led blockade would mean that nearly two-thirds of the entire country’s population will soon face starvation." (Whitney Webb) https://www.marchonpentagon.com/single-post/2018/06/01/UN-Warns-10-Million-Yemenis-Expected-to-Starve

  • How to tell when defending Israel is actually racist
    • DONALD JOHNSON- "But third, if one is too “ practical” you surrender the basic point...."

      Bullshit! By demanding the right to be treated like human beings with rights including an end to the de facto occupation, access to clean drinking water, a functioning economy, education and health care, etc., you surrender nothing. To the contrary, you are in a stronger position to redress other wrongs. There is nothing noble in the charge of the light brigade, guerrilla warfare is not surrender. And armchair purism and endless debate about long term objectives is a luxury only Western armchair philosophers can afford. And while there are Palestinians involved in BDS, let us not assume that they speak for all Palestinians anymore than we would assume that Trump speaks for the American people

    • DONALD JOHNSON- " If Palestinians are being killed for demanding the right of return, he might want to keep that in mind."

      Are they? Why are the Gazans protesting while the West Bank Palestinians aren't? Any significant differences between the two groups? The driving force behind these protests is the illegal and inhumane blockade which has poisoned the drinking water and made Gaza unlivable. And sure, the Gazans would like to be let out of their open air prison, but the driving force continues to be lifting the blockade which has been Hamas' goal for a long time. No? From the horse's mouth:

      “As it did in the past, Hamas is offering a long-term cease-fire — known in Arabic as “hudna” — in return for a lifting of the blockade. It conveyed such a proposal to Israel several weeks ago through Egyptian and Qatari channels, but Israel ignored it.” (Shlomi Eldar) http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/05/23/as-it-did-in-the-past-hamas-is-offering-a-long-term-cease-fire-known-in-arabic-as-hudna-in-return-for-a-lifting-of-the-blockade-it-conveyed-such-a-proposal-to/

    • SIBIRIAK- "... by Salaita’s logic that common anti-Zionist argument should also be labeled “racist”.

      I am not sure what the main point of Salaita's armchair philosophizing is. That political Zionism is inherently anti-Palestinian/anti-Gentile could be made more directly without dubious libels of Norman Finkelstein. He totally ignores his main assertion that we spend so much time debating whether criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic. I agree that too much time is spent discussing anti-Semitism, however, this is the result of anti-Zionist Jews placing undue emphasis on seeking out any hint of anti-Semitism in their attempt to control the discourse on the left. As for ignoring history, the one-staters completely gloss over the fact that initially the PLO and folks like Noam Chomsky advocated for a one state solution and were totally ignored. The PLO eventually changed position and advocated for a two state solution at which point Chomsky supported their new position. The idea of one democratic state is not a new idea. The question of what is reasonably achievable under present circumstances is, of course, a judgment call. But that is what life is all about. In the real world we must deal with power imbalances as best we can. Better to engage in guerrilla warfare than be part of the charge of the light brigade.

    • EDWARD Q- "I think you assume it is obvious what is “realistic”."

      No, I think that inferring someone is an anti-Arab racist because they raise the question of what is realistic under the circumstances is bullshit. I thought that I made that clear. To clarify, what do you think is more realistic? To fight for the lifting of the illegal and inhumane blockade or to stress the right of return of all of the refugees resulting in the end of Israel as a Jewish state? So yes, I think that eliminating the illegal and inhumane blockade of Gaza is more realistic than getting Zionist Israel to agree to allowing a full right of return resulting in the de facto elimination of the Jewish state. You disagree?

    • EDWARD Q- "I think you assume it is obvious what is “realistic”."

      No, I think that inferring someone is an anti-Arab racist because they raise the question of what is realistic under the circumstances is bullshit. I thought that I made that clear. To clarify, what do you think is more realistic? To fight for the lifting of the illegal and inhumane blockade or to stress the right of return of all of the refugees resulting in the end of Israel as a Jewish state? So yes, I think that eliminating the illegal and inhumane blockade of Gaza is more realistic than getting Zionist Israel to agree to allowing a full right of return resulting in the de facto elimination of the Jewish state. You disagree?

    • STEVEN SALAITA- "Or, saying that certain things are “impossible” or “unrealistic”: the right of return, equality, binationalism, and so forth."

      Saying that having realistic goals and objectives in regards to Palestine is akin to anti-Arab racism is bullshit, pure and simple. Linking to Norman Finkelstein to imply that he is, by your perverse definition, an anti-Arab racist is despicable and you should be ashamed. In the real world, the power imbalance between an empire supported Israel and the prisoners of Gaza is so extreme that tactics need to be adjusted accordingly. Rather than emphasizing the right of return, had the Palestine solidarity movement thrown its full support behind the Gaza protest march and focused on ending the illegal and inhumane blockade, the Gazans would have been the better for it. Go for the low hanging fruit first. If you can't end the blockade of Gaza you lack the power to even think about right of return, and focusing on near term unattainable objectives sacrifices the ability to possibly achieve more immediate essential objectives. Inferring someone is a racist for recommending different tactics is self-defeating.

  • 'How do you expect the young to forget?': a visit to Shatila refugee camp
    • MOOSER- "Mondo seems to have fixed the username-underscore-archive problem."

      Then how come the above comment doesn't appear in the archive? Only ones from 2014?

  • 'Disappearing Palestine' maps must spotlight Jaffa
    • ROHA- "Wrong. It was the Zionists who went to war."

      Yes, and yet we must endure the never-ending misrepresentation of historical reality by those who wrongfully claim that Arabs lie. Those for whom information is but a weapon, empirical reality a problem to be overcome. Those for whom truth is what works. Bullshit as a way of life and source of communal pride. The history of Zionism is the history of endless deception.

    • ROHA- " He declared that, once the Zionists had that small state, they could expel the Arabs and use it as a base to conquer the rest of Palestine."

      Yes, and the Zionist revisionists like Jabotinsky called him a traitor for not maintaining Zionist ideological purity by rejecting the partition plan because it did not give them all of Palestine. Interesting to speculate on what would have happened had Ben Gurion taken their advice. Some folks just can't understand that you fight the good fight one battle at a time. You don't have to lose sight of the long term, however, insufficient emphasis on the short term battle will not lead you to your long term objectives. Particularly when the battle concerns your short term survival.

    • TOM SUAREZ- "... that will bring to wider light that Resolution 181 was a scam and that Jewish Agency never had any intention of abiding by it, exposing one of the Zionists’ key historical lies (that they “accepted” partition)."

      That is exactly correct. Since the partition plan was so manifestly unfair, the Zionists "accepted" partition confident that the Palestinians would reject it. The Zionists real intent was made clear by the war of conquest they started at the first opportunity before the British withdrew, and long before the disorganized and inept "Arab armies" entered Palestine to try unsuccessfully to prevent the Zionists from conquering Palestine and ethnically cleansing it.

  • Roseanne Barr talked trash about Palestinians and Muslims for years, without regrets
    • MARNIE- ‘My simplistic interpretation’? You mean this article from Salon?"

      Sorry, Marnie. I assumed that your comment reflected your actual opinion, your point of view. Now you are suggesting that isn't true? That you copied and pasted sections of an article from Salon without quotation marks or attribution to the actual author, Chauncey DeVega? That this "simplistic interpretation" is his, not yours? My apologies. I will try to be more careful next time.

    • MOOSER- "Did Roseanne also, in this imbroglio, tweet about Soros ‘collabarating with the Nazis’, a tweet which was re-tweeted by Trump Jr.?"

      One should be less concerned about Soros' childhood activities than with his current NGO/CIA instigated destabilizations. Soros was instrumental in the Ukrainian coup which brought notorious neo-Nazis to power. Svaboda and Pravi Sektor are hard core neo-nazis which the US supported with Zionist (Victoria Nuland) complicity. All of this Zionist talk about the rise in European anti-Semitism even as the Zionists support neo-Nazis. And financial terrorist George Soros is once again involved. That George Soros is considered a "liberal" tells you all you need to know about the current state of "liberalism" in our neoliberal world.

      "Leaked memo proves George Soros ruled Ukraine in 2014, minutes from “Breakfast with US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt” (Alex Christoforou) http://theduran.com/leaked-memo-proves-george-soros-ruled-ukraine-in-2014-minutes-from-breakfast-with-us-ambassador-geoffrey-pyatt/

    • MARNIE- "Those white Americans who are most anxious about group power and maintaining the superior social status of white people over nonwhites in America voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump."

      A lot of those same people had previously voted for Barack Obama who, you may have noticed, was not white while the Republican was. Obama then proceeded to screw his base by pursuing militarism and neoliberalism. Trump picked up support from disenchanted working class voters that the Democratic liberals look down on. Many who voted for Trump are hugely disappointed in his performance as they should be. The reality doesn't conform to your simplistic interpretation. Besides, Wall Street and the corporations more-or-less run the empire, the political system administers the political economy for them resulting in only minor deviations between administrations. Each new administration seems worse than the last as we accelerate towards the cliff.

  • How an anti-Semitic US law helped bring about Israel's creation
    • SHELDON RICHMAN- “The law was certainly in part anti-Semitic even if iother motives were in play. Racists didn’t usually make exceptions for Jews.”

      I wasn’t going to respond to your belated comments on this dead thread, however, as your comments rolled around in the back of my mind I felt I needed to comment on this particular example of Zionist myth-history. Unfortunately, my long and detailed comment didn't pass moderation. Not all that surprising on Mondoweiss where certain topics are off limits. A shortened version would be to point out that labeling something as anti-Semitic when Jews are lumped together with non-Jews, and in fact received somewhat better treatment compared to other Eastern Europeans and all Asians is a misrepresentation. Anti-Semitism implies that Jews are singled out for abuse simply because they are Jews. To claim that all Jewish hardship is a consequence of anti-Semitism is a Judeocentric worldview which sees World War II as little more than one big anti-Jewish pogrom, the 60 million non-Jews who died little more than Hitler's willing executioners who stood by as Jews were slaughtered. I could go on, but to do so increases the chance this won't pass moderation. I leave you with a quote from Israel Shahak.

      “Therefore, the real test facing both Israeli and diaspora Jews is the test of their self-criticism which must include the critique of the Jewish past. The most important part of such a critique must be detailed and honest confrontation of the Jewish attitude to non-Jews.” (p103, “Jewish History, Jewish Religion,” Israel Shahak)

    • MISTERIOSO- "Worth noting:"

      Indeed it is, however, it will be ignored by all of the Mondo Zionists who will continue to parrot Zionist myth-history. I would also add that we citizens of empire also have a lot of imperial myth-history baggage to deal with.

    • CITIZEN- "More mirroring the thrust of Mr. Richman’s article: https://www.jpost.com/Blogger/David-Turner "

      Jeez, do I disagree with you on this! Based upon the articles from your link, David Turner is a frothing Zionist racist totally committed to Zionist ideology and myth history. Sheldon Richman, however, has a lot of good things to say and his use of Zionist myth-history was relatively minor and contradicted by many things in the article itself. His observation that "One must realize that Zionism was never a refugee project." is completely accurate and in direct opposition to later Zionist claims.

      Getting back to the meat of the article, there is a lot of relevant information in there which needs to be appreciated. That is why my original comment referred to "an otherwise good article." It is always questionable playing the "what if" game. According to Tree, about 70% of German Jews escaped going primarily to Western countries, only about 10% of the refugees going to Palestine. Germany was the obvious place for Jews and others to get out of when Hitler came to power. Most of the Jews killed, however, were in Eastern Europe outside of Germany. Prior to the war, how could they predict what would happen? During the war, how could they get out? The harsh reality is that most of the Eastern European Jews (along with over 10 million Slavs) would have died no matter what.

      It may well be that Sheldon Richman used the Immigration laws as an excuse to provide a lot of interesting and relevant history. One could also examine the large increase in US business investment in Germany when the Nazis came to power, Hitler portrayed as a defense against the communist Soviets. Or ongoing imperial support for the Zionist project without which a specifically Jewish state may not have been created. What is indisputable, I think, is that without the Holocaust and the Zionist exploitation of the Holocaust, the creation of Israel as a Jewish state was unlikely.

    • SHELDON RICHMAN- "How an anti-Semitic US law helped bring about Israel’s creation"
      “Foundations of Holocaust: 1924, Congress Decides No More Jews”

      Why, oh why, oh why? Why spoil an otherwise good article with blatant falsehoods? Congress didn't decide "No More Jews," and the immigration quotes were not "anti-Semitic." They were racist in their intent to keep out Asians and restrict Eastern Europeans, and this undoubtedly had a disasterous effect on European Jews, most of whom would have been unable to immigrate in any event from a war torn Eastern Europe. However, to interpret this from a Judeocentric perspective as anti-Semitism while ignoring the impact on the millions of non-Jews impacted feeds the Zionist myth-history of never ending Gentile anti-Semitism. I provide a different perspective by quoting a former Mondoweiss commenter.

      "Jews were not restricted as Jews from immigrating to the US and they were the overwhelming majority of the immigrants arriving in the US from Germany during this time. Overall, from 1931-39, over 20% of all US immigrants were Jews, which was the highest Jewish percentage of any decade in US history. In 1939 alone, over 50% of ALL US immigrants were Jews.
      ....
      "It should also be noted that during the time of the US immigration quotas, Ukrainians, who were dying in the millions from the forced starvation of the Holodomor, were almost completely cut off from any immigration to the US. Poles, who were as a nation suffering from the Soviet Union’s Great Terror were also nearly completely cut off from US immigration, as were other Eastern and Southern Europeans. The majority of the Europeans who were victimized by the massive curtailment of US immigration opportunities that occurred in the 1920’s and onward were religiously Catholic or Eastern Orthodox."
      (Tree) http://mondoweiss.net/2013/09/latest-generous-offer-leaked-israel-wants-to-control-jordan-river-and-40-of-west-bank-while-palestinians-get-temporary-borders/#comment-591577

  • Conflicting dreams and realities: Amos Oz in Rochester
    • FIVISHMAIL- “Hamas admits that most killed were its operatives armed with AK47s or explosives.”

      If we limit ourselves to the protesters only, only about 42 of the 120 killed were linked to Hamas, none of them armed. One has only to look at the casualty figures to see who was doing all of the killing and who was being killed and, perhaps more significantly, maimed for life by an increasingly sadistic Israeli military. The balance of forces is so asymmetrical that your comment is akin to someone shooting fish in a barrel claiming self defense because the hapless fish had teeth. Gaza is an open air prison where people cannot leave even by boat.

      “Let’s return to Bardawil. So he said that 50 of the 60 killed were Hamas members. I checked and was told that the official figure Hamas has is that from the beginning of the March of Return on March 30, 42 people linked to Hamas were among the 120 people killed: members of the movement, well-known activists, members of Hamas families.

      It seems that about 20 members of Hamas’ military wing were killed, and they were killed not near the protests but under circumstances that still must be clarified. But the rest were unarmed rank-and-file protesters. And they demonstrated because they were Gazans.” (Amira Hass) http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/05/21/an-important-article-by-amira-hass/

  • They prayed for Gaza's dead. Now it's time to say the mourner's prayer for Zionism
    • DONALD JOHNSON- "Actually Keith,what I was trying to do was suggest that theorizing so much about any group of people is usually a mistake."

      Really? Then why bother to ask me questions if you feel that discussing relevant issues is a mistake? So, instead of joining in the discussion, you engage in ad hominem attacks against those you mischaracterize as "theorizing." Unlike you, I think that the Mondoweiss comments section, although frequently too much akin to social media, is nonetheless of tremendous value. There is a lot to be gained through honest discussion with your fellows, to compare ideas and observations, and be exposed to new information, ideas and perspectives. This is particularly true concerning the impact that modernity had on the traditional role of Jews in medieval society, and how Zionism is a response to those changes. Also, the consequences of a manufactured "peoplehood" with strong internal solidarity and kinship in a multicultural society such as ours. In fact, I would go so far as to say that discussing and being aware of relevant issues affecting the political economy is an obligation of citizenship. And one needs to be able to analyze and form opinions as responsible individuals and not rely upon official "experts."

    • NATHAN- "...but actually one could conclude that stressing one’s particular peoplehood is an expression of multiculturalism."

      Only if one is engaged in pilpul. Traditions is one thing, peoplehood another. The emphasis on peoplehood - psychological apartheid - is the essence of sectarianism, not multiculturalism. Your comment is intellectually dishonest to the core.

      NATHAN- "Anyway, I can’t imagine why you would care that others see the world differently."

      More pilpul. I am not concerned with individual perceptions, I am concerned with organized Zionist power-seeking. Have I not made that clear?

      NATHAN- " In the process of assimilation, one loses one’s distinctive culture."

      Bullshit. Unless anti-Gentilism is a distinctive part of Zionist "culture."

    • CATALAN- "Had I been a non-Zionist shmoe, I would have probably been a cab driver in Munich."

      Are the folks in Munich aware of how lucky they are that things worked out the way they did? And what is it with you Zionists settling in Germany?

    • DONALD JOHNSON- "Keith, if by gratuitous swipe you meant that I doubt you are an expert on Jewish history, I meant it. I doubt you are an expert."

      First, you falsely claim to assume that I have a "deep understanding" (not necessarily an "expert") of Jewish history which you don't (humble you). Then you flip flop and say that I don't have a deep understanding of Jewish history (hardly essential for me to comment). The implication of this being what? This is your disingenuous way of raising the issue of credentials, is it not? You infer that a deep understanding of Jewish history is required, then say you doubt I possess such an understanding. Gamal noticed the same thing. It was gratuitous because it was unnecessary. You could have simply asked your questions and then responded to my answers. And if you doubt my credentials to respond, why bother to ask the questions?

      And how do you respond? First by changing "deep understanding" to "expert," which I never said nor implied I was. What, we need to be experts to comment on Mondoweiss? Then you say that my critical attitude would get in the way of expertise, another judgmental and irrelevant observation. You also imply that I lack empathy, a totally unwarranted insult. Nowhere in either of your comments do you specifically address anything I said, relying instead ad hominem arguments. You don't appear interested in actually discussing the points raised, preferring instead to refer to your fellow commenters as people with "axes to grind."

    • MOOSER- "You left out, probably due to haste, which is perfectly understandable, the word “some” or “certain” before “American Jews”.

      Point taken. Change to read "Zionism has functioned as a power-seeking ideology for American Jewish Zionists."

    • DONALD JOHNSON- "Keith, why does any of that matter?"

      It matters because the resurrection of a form of Jewish "peoplehood," is a return to a form of manufactured sectarianism in our multicultural society which has negative consequences for society. This is a return to an aspect of medieval social structure in modern guise, not nearly as innocent as you pretend.

      Zionism has functioned as a power-seeking ideology for American Jews. It has provided group support for acquiring wealth and power to implement the Zionist agenda of the creation of the Jewish state along with the advancement of specifically Jewish interests. The Conference of the Presidents of the Major American Jewish Organizations exists to promote Jewish interests, period. The welfare of the non-Jewish citizenry is of little concern. The strength of these organizations comes from their unity and solidarity, currently based upon Zionism and support for Israel. Should a way be found to replace Zionism and Israel with a new foundation for Jewish communal solidarity, then these powerful groups and related wealthy and powerful individuals would provide the basis for ongoing birthright power and privilege. This kinship solidarity results in a form of de facto nepotism where different ethnic groups become associated with specific jobs and social strata.

      Zionism has provided material benefits for Zionist Jews, but has had negative consequences for everyone else, and has been an unmitigated disaster for the Palestinians. I am opposed to efforts to find an alternative to Zionism to provide Jews with an ideological tool for achieving psychological apartheid from their non-Jewish neighbors. Creating a form of birthright professional association to advance the interests of the group vis a vis society as a whole. Nothing prevents Jews from practicing any of the various forms of the Judaic religion, nor performing folk dances and eating ethnic food to celebrate "tradition." Zionism is inherently anti-Gentile and any substitute for Zionism will also be inherently anti-Gentile if it is to be successful in promoting strong group solidarity. How could it be otherwise when non-Jews are by definition "the other?" One has only to observe the obsession with perceived anti-Semitism by Zionist Jews and anti-Zionist Jews alike to see what I mean.

      And Donald, your gratuitous ad hominem swipe at me was rather childish.

    • NATHAN- "Keith opposes the phenomenon of Jewish solidarity, and it’s hard to understand why he would care if others wish to express a sense of “tribalism”.

      Because I prefer multicultrualism to sectarianism. And I find it interesting that historically, organized Jewry pushed for "liberal" immigration policies and for assimilation of ethnic minorities while simultaneously stressing Jewish peoplehood. In the US, that is. Jewish policy in Israel speaks for itself.

    • ROBERT COHEN- "Wow! This is a pretty harsh comment forum."

      This is a Judeocentric website which severely restricts comments dealing with Jews and Jewishness. My comment which you initially responded to was a follow on comment when my original, longer comment didn't pass moderation. I am somewhat surprised that my second published comment passed moderation. On this particular subject, I walk on egg shells. Interestingly, other commenters using intemperate language do get published. Go figure.

      ROBERT COHEN- " Everywhere else I get called a self-hating Jew...."

      If that happens again, tell them that Keith at Mondoweiss says that you don't have a self-hating bone in your entire body.

      ROBERT COHEN- "... but here I’m a right wing tribal reactionary."

      "Right-wing" and "reactionary" are your words, not mine. My sole critique of your article was that you had a narrow Judeocentric focus. And you do, even though you can't conceive of it. You are like a white guy who can't conceive of the racism staring him in the face. Not long ago, Phil extolled our current "post racial" society. What a crock!

      Let me be optimistic and continue this in the hope that it does pass moderation. Israel Shahak maintained that Zionism was a reversion to Classical (medieval) Judaism in secular form. The modern era saw the splintering of Judaism into Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism, Reform Judaism and secular Jews/ex-Jews. A common religion no longer united the tribe, and assimilation had great appeal. The Zionist answer was a re-united Jewish "people" utilizing a Jewish version of Blood and Soil nationalism. And while you say you oppose Zionism, you seem to approve of Zionism's goal of a united Jewish people practicing kinship solidarity (versus non-Jews) based upon some unifying criteria other than Zionism. No? Strong Jewish kinship solidarity in the midst of non-Jewish multiculturalism. No?

      In my last comment, I made several observations which you ignored. I think the last paragraph is the most important. Why should secular Jews, Reform Jews, Conservative Jews and Orthodox Jews make common cause? Why seek to counter the Jewish reformation? Also, you seem to have imbibed a lot of Zionist myth-history. I leave you with some advice from Israel Shahak.

      “Therefore, the real test facing both Israeli and diaspora Jews is the test of their self-criticism which must include the critique of the Jewish past. The most important part of such a critique must be detailed and honest confrontation of the Jewish attitude to non-Jews.” (p103, “Jewish History, Jewish Religion,” Israel Shahak)

    • ROBERT COHEN- "... because I’m Jewish...."

      What makes you Jewish? Your mother? Your religion? What? Are you trying to salvage Judaism or maintain ethnic solidarity? How and why do the "shared history and traditions" of British Jews differ so markedly from the shared history and traditions of British non-Jews? Would it be so terrible if Judaism became just another religion and not associated with ethnicity? Of course, the birthright factor rather prevents this.

      ROBERT COHEN- "I don’t see kinship and solidarity as something necessarily bad."

      It depends upon the nature of the kinship and the extent of the solidarity. Surely you don't approve of sectarianism? Your “Muslimcentric” example is disingenuous. For starters, Islam is a religion, not a pseudo ethnicity. Also, there is no Muslim counterpart to the Conference of Presidents of the Major American Jewish Organizations, nor to the disproportionate influence Jews have throughout the corridors of power, the media, and the entire doctrinal system. Influence and power greatly facilitated by Zionist solidarity and organized power-seeking.

      ROBERT COHEN- "You choose to characterise this as “Judeocentric” which sounds pejorative."

      How else to describe the extremely narrow focus of your article? It is written for a people apart. It also includes Judeo-Zionist myth history. I went into this a bit in my first comment which didn't pass moderation. Suffice it to say that the belief in irrational and eternal anti-Semitism is anti-Gentile to the core.

      ROBERT COHEN- "I want a “Jewish future” that is not dependent on Zionism for its collective identity."

      You have just made my point! You are not interested in a Reform Judaism future, nor a Conservative Judaism future, nor an Orthodox Judaism future, nor a secular "raised Jewish" future, you want a united by birthright "Jewish" future which finds an alternative to Zionism as a unifier of all Jews and of "Jewish" solidarity. Do you believe in Jewish peoplehood?

    • ROBERT COHEN- “What’s important is to articulate a Jewish future….”

      Why is it that all or almost all Jewish anti-Zionists are so Judeocentric? Why is maintaining kinship solidarity such a priority? Why is most Jewish anti-Zionism so tribal in nature, support for Zionism and Israel replaced by opposition to Zionism and Israeli actions, yet serving the same solidarity function? If Zionism and Israel did not exist, what would replace Zionist/anti-Zionist solidarity? It is apparently important to you to avoid the dreaded melting pot.

  • Israeli ambassador lodges anti-Semitism complaint against Dutch song mocking Israel's human right record
  • 'What did you do when Gaza was dying?' A visit with the freedom flotilla in Copenhagen
    • GRETA- " The siege is illegal. The blockade is illegal."

      Yes, and inhumane and immoral. Breaking the blockade is where the emphasis should be. If you can't do this, nothing else is possible.

  • Gaza killings are rending the Jewish community
    • MISTERIOSO- "Written by Adam Hochschild and published in 1998, “King Leopold’s Ghost: A Story of Greed, Terror and Heroism in Colonial Africa,” provides an excellent source to learn about King Leopold II and his monstrous crimes against humanity."

      True enough, but let us not focus the blame entirely upon King Leopold. What Leopold did was more-or-less within the norms of European behavior towards Third World peoples albeit on a somewhat larger scale. Europe has a long and bloody history of mass murder. In addition to "Kings Leopold's Ghost," I would also recommend "Year 501: The Conquest Continues" by Noam Chomsky which gives a broader picture of the West's history of mass murder and plunder, one not taught in schools. Reality may not be pleasant but it is what it is and we ignore it at our own peril.

    • JOEMOWREY- "Bernie Sanders. A real mensch, that guy."

      A sheepdog who keeps liberals from straying from overgrazed and unproductive pastures.

    • PHIL- "Gaza killings are rending the Jewish community"

      It used to be that when there was an Israeli Left, the Israeli stormtroopers were said to shoot and cry. Nowadays they shoot and laugh instead of cry, hence, the "liberal" American Jews have taken up the slack and do the crying for the Jewish community. This is an international division of labor. Yet how many of these weeping Jews disavow the Jewish state? Your "rending" is but another example of having your cake and eating it too, with a clear conscience to boot! Ritual incantations of little significance. Specific actions aside, American Jews overwhelmingly support Israel as a Jewish state and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future regardless of Israeli actions.

      I end with a Golda Meir quote which epitomizes the tribalist mentality and its ability to distort reality in a grotesque Judeocentric fashion.

      When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons." (Golda Meir) https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Golda_Meir

  • Falsely accusing Palestinians of anti-Semitism is malicious
    • MARNIE- "People like Alan Dershowitz and ‘rabbi’ schmuely b. should be made examples of and sued for defamation at least...."

      With all due respect, I think you have a rather naive view of our (or any) legal system. Our legal system primarily responds to power, not to justice. There is no way that Alan Dershowitz will ever be held to account. There is no way the CIA will ever be held to account. The US didn't become an empire by scrupulously adhering to international law, or any law, or common decency, or Christian morality, etc. The legal system is primarily intended to safeguard existing power relations and to create the illusion that these power relations are fair and objectively rational rather than arbitrary and under elite control.

  • 'NYT' columnist says killing Palestinian civilians is... good for Palestinians
    • BARI WEISS- "When Hamas attacked Israel in 2008, when Hamas attacked Israel in 2012, when it attacked Israel in 2014...."

      Jeez, what a Zionazi. Yeah, and when Poland attacked Germany in 1939 according to Hitler. That this total lack of intellectual honesty or morality is highlighted in the media indicates just how bad things are.

      As for the ongoing denigration of Hamas as a terrorist organization (listed as such by our State Department), I offer the following.

      "I am no stranger to Hamas. To me the movement is not an academic pursuit or abstract intellectual curiosity that only takes shape whenever it confronts the brute force that is Israel…be it in the 365 square kilometer (141 sq mi) confines of Gaza or in the streets and universities of the West Bank. To the contrary, I have been privileged to represent more than a few of its leaders for some two decades. On occasion, the movement has sought my counsel on issues of international law prior to making its decision on how best to proceed with a given matter.
      ....
      Contrary to the Israeli and Western effort to reduce Hamas to a collective of essentially unschooled or unsophisticated foreign born so-called Islamists, nothing could be further from the truth. Hamas is a movement born of Palestine, composed of Palestinians who were raised on the very streets where the blood of their people and families, has been lost to the occupation terror imposed by Israel. For the many who suffer from a now decade old blockade of Gaza–with its lack of food, water, medicine and mobility–Hamas and their families have known the same isolation and paid a like price.

      Comprised, originally, of physicians, scholars, academics, lawyers, scientists, artists, religious leaders and farmers, it is a movement that evolved of necessity, born in the vacuum of what would obviously become the failed vision of Oslo." (Stanley L. Cohen) https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/05/22/broken-dreams-and-lost-lives-israel-gaza-and-the-hamas-card/

  • Rob Malley and Chris Hayes can't talk about Adelson's influence in scrapping Iran deal
    • PETER IN SF- "I felt like following up to ask him if both he and his questioner were indulging in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories that U.S. policy towards Israel is controlled by Jews, and in particular by Jewish billionaires who are buying influence."

      Would I be indulging in an anti-corporate conspiracy theory to suggest that corporations use lobbyists and campaign contributions and think tanks, etc, to try and influence US domestic and foreign policy? This is capitalism for cry sakes.

      Yet, it goes beyond this. We have, of late, experienced what can only be described as the Zionization of imperial foreign policy where the neocons have become mainstream. Total warmongering and complete support for Israel is the new normal.

    • BROADSIDE- "Maybe it’s time you visited the Alamo."

      Forget the Alamo, visit the new lynching museum in Alabama to learn about real and ugly American history. https://museumandmemorial.eji.org/

      And let us not forget what was done to the native Americans whose treatment was the inspiration for Hitler's lebensraum. https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/history/events/ugly-precursor-to-auschwitz-hitler-said-to-have-been-inspired-by-us-indian-reservation-system/

    • PHIL- "Because I just visited Poland."

      Perhaps you should now visit Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Libya and most of the "death squad democracies" in South America, etc, to get up to speed on all of the killing the empire has done since then. As a citizen of empire, your primary concern should be the current actions of empire, not the past actions of Nazi Germany. Do not use the past to turn a blind eye to the present and the future, nor to reinforce a narrow ethnic bias. Harping on anti-Semitism or potential anti-Semitism is a tactic to control the narrative, nothing more. And a successful one at that.

    • PHIL- "Because to do so smacks of assertions of outsize Jewish influence that were a hallmark of murderous, anti-Semitic campaigns in Europe."

      Not because they are afraid of American Jewish Zionist power and the impact on their careers? Yet you have introduced historical European Jewish victimhood implying latent Gentile anti-Semitism waiting to pounce. Why?

  • 'Likudism' invades the academy: continued Zionist attacks on activism and scholarship at SFSU
    • MOOSER- "Gonna be fun when those students, who will graduate looking for professional positions find out how hard it is to erase your social media history."

      Surely you jest. The tribe takes care of its own. This will be the crowning achievement on their resumes. They will get preferential treatment.

  • UN head says Gazans 'caged in a toxic slum from birth to death' as human rights council votes to investigate Israel
  • Protesting is not enough
    • MAGHLAWATAN- "Neoliberalism only has a few years left."

      The intended consequence of neoliberalism is steady state neo-feudalism. That is, corporate/financial control through universal debt servitude. Lord Gates, Great Lord Microsoft, Lord Blankfein, Great Lord Goldman Sachs, etc. In other words, corporare/financial control in a low/zero growth economy. Currently, there are a lot of superfluous people which need to be eliminated along with potential rivals to also be eliminated. When they talk of permanent war, they MEAN permanent war.

      MAGHLAWATAN- "After the next crash Central Banks will have no choice other than inflation."

      After the likely financial collapse, the elites will reconstruct the financial system in accordance with elite objectives. Money is power and the elites know how to obtain power. The game is rigged. Most capitalist economic theory is quasi religious in nature. Theoretically, it would be relatively simple to restructure the financial system to achieve social objectives, however, politically that is next to impossible. Much chaos ahead. Who will survive?

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